Whiskey Web and Whatnot Robbie Wagner, Chuck Carpenter

Robbie has spent years trying to improve his experience in the terminal. Fortunately, he’s learned a few things about customization along the way. Meanwhile, Chuck and Robbie have thoughts about Apple’s new products, the purpose of React, plus Fig, Hyper, Warp, and everything in between. 
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss everything you probably don’t know about terminals, why Robbie’s eyeing Redwood, what Chuck and Robbie actually paid attention to from WWDC22, why developers are so excited about Bun, and why Chuck’s trip to Italy was semi-catastrophic. 

Key Takeaways

[00:48] - A whiskey review.

[09:07] - Robbie’s terminal tips and tricks. 

[15:38] - Why looking cool matters the most. 

[22:28] - A few interesting things from WWDC.

[28:55] - Chuck and Robbie react to React. 

[34:00] - A whatnot about Chuck’s semi-catastrophic trip to Italy. 

[49:11] - An update on the Ship Shape NFT.


Quotes
[15:23] - “Bash hasn’t innovated at all. It’s the same thing it’s always been. It does its job but I don’t need to remember all that stuff. Give me some auto-complete and some nice color themes and cool stuff.” ~ @rwwagner90
[29:11] - “I know Next. I don’t even have to know Next and I know it because it’s a good framework. React by itself is just a huge learning curve. Because it’s like, ‘ok we’re going to do all this stuff that looks nothing like anything anyone else is doing.’” ~ @rwwagner90
[29:54] - “React is becoming more opinionated as its user base continues to grow and becomes more opinionated.” ~ @CharlesWthe3rd

Links

Beast Masters Club Private Barrell - Elijah Craig - “Three Tenors, Hogze Carreras” 

Slack

Whiskey Web and Whatnot: A Battle of Two Worlds and Mentorship Above Milestones with Cory Brown

Buffalo Trace

Eagle Rare

The FRIENDS Experience 

5 Tips to Improve Your Terminal Experience

Amazon

iTerm 

Hyper

Warp

fish shell

Fig

Z shell 


dotfiles  

Homebrew


Homebrew cask 

MonoLisa font

Starship

Node.js

Rust

Ember

LinkedIn

Bun

Discord 

Remix

Next.js

API Routes

Middleware

WWDC22

Safari

Ember Inspector 

Google Chrome

React

MacBook Air M2

iPad Air

iPad Pro

npm-install

Visual Studio Code

Swach

Windows 

TypeScript

Electron 

Hooks

JSS

RedwoodJS

Tom Preston-Werner


Tom Preston Werner’s $1M Redwood Startup Fund 

Stripe  

YAML

GraphQL 

Plum Guide

Sonder

Avignonesi Vineyard

Stanley Tucci Searching For Italy

Armando al Pantheon

MetaMask


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It’s not often that a blog post sets the internet on fire. But a recent post by Cory Brown about async/await led to an uproar and even messages of pity from Hacker News. Who knew a simple post about pattern preferences would cause such controversy? 
Today, Cory’s here to explain his side of the story for those happily using async/await in various concurrency patterns. Luckily, Cory believes, to each their own, and even welcomes responses from developers like Eric Elliott and Robbie as important food for thought. So which universe do you prefer? Object-oriented or functional?
In this episode, Cory talks with Chuck and Robbie about why he prefers promise to async/await, his response to Robbie’s weekly rant on classes, what really makes an engineer “senior”, how every tech team should operate, and why Cory recently chose to learn Scottish Gaelic.

Key Takeaways

[00:40] - A brief introduction to Cory.

[01:19] - A whiskey review.

[08:39] - Cory’s controversial opinion on async/await patterns.

[18:56] - How Cory views classes and his defense of Hooks.

[29:54] - Why time matters with engineer seniority.

[42:00] - A Dr. Pepper and obscure language-themed whatnot. 


Quotes
[26:27] - “I’ve already seen ideas from the object-oriented world come in and benefit the functional world. And vice versa — the functional world come in and really benefit the object-oriented world. So I don't want to see either of them go away even as I choose to essentially wholly live on one side.” ~ Cory Brown
[37:10] - “If you have any hope of going to whatever your next job is and entering a codebase that is at all reasonable, then we need to start training our junior engineers. And unfortunately, businesses are not investing in that for whatever reason so it’s on us to do that.” ~ Cory Brown
[40:24] - “A large chunk of the last several years of my career has been a diminished focus on producing stuff directly and more in enabling others to produce more quickly.” ~ Cory Brown

Links

Cory Brown on Twitter

Cory’s website

Aumni

National Geographic 

Spiritless Kentucky 74

Eric Elliott

Why I avoid async/await 

JavaScript

Promise

Async/await

Hacker News


YAML 

Douglas Crockford

Yehuda Katz

Ember.js

React

Preact

Stencil.js

Hooks

Clojure

The Coming Storm (Cory’s post about emerging software developers) 

Backstage

Dr. Pepper

Costco

Duolingo 

Cory Brown speaking Galic (00:52)

UtahJS Conference

Kent C. Dodds 

Remix

React Router


Next.js 

Elm

RedwoodJS

Whiskey Web and Whatnot: RedwoodJS, Developer Experience, and Developing for Scale with Tom Preston-Werner

Rails

Apple

LinkedIn

1787 Middleburg Coworking Space

Hot Ones


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In 2017, James C. Davis moved to Charlottesville, Virginia to work at a non-profit tech company that used Ember in their original Saas platform. While James had dabbled in Ember previously, an ask to reimplement the front-end in Ember, this time using TypeScript, proved challenging. 
At the time, a few engineers were using TypeScript in Ember, but the open source framework James worked on became the de-facto reference point for projects in Ember types. And the unofficial group of engineers collaborating on the project has become the official Ember TypeScript Core Team.
Today, James works at e-commerce company Salsify with a front-end all in Ember TypeScript. Although setting the standard for using TypeScript in Ember, James believes there’s a time and a place for types. Plus, he may have a solution for Robbie’s monorepo grievances. 
In this episode, James talks with Chuck and Robbie about his struggles and triumphs perfecting Ember TypeScript, his real thoughts on monorepos and functional programming, keeping APIs private, and why developing Glint was a type checking necessity.

Key Takeaways

[01:46] - A whiskey review.

[05:48] - Two truths and a lie. 

[12:28] - How James discovered Ember and open source. 

[16:28] - The purpose of the dot ember-cli file.

[22:00] - When TypeScript isn’t your best bet. 

[22:53] - How the Ember TypeScript core team is handling private API.

[25:41] - How James feels about monorepos and functional programming in general. 

[28:57] - What tool James uses to link packages.

[31:36] - How James created Glint. 

[39:03] - A camping, travel, and steak-themed whatnot. 


Quotes
[17:58] - “One of the cool things about the way TypeScript is done now with Babel is we can write stuff in TypeScript and we can use Babel to basically strip out all of the type annotations and just produce JavaScript.” ~ @jamscdavis
[19:38] - “Basically at this point, the only really useful thing that you need inside ember-cli-typescript is its blueprint which is different from the blueprints that generate components and Ember things.” ~ @jamscdavis
[21:53] - “The bigger and more complex your project is, the more that [TypeScript] helps you.” ~ @jamscdavis

Links

James on Twitter

GitHub

Twitter

Elon Musk

Starlink

Ragged Branch Virginia Straight Bourbon (Wheated Bourbon)

It Might Get Loud

Whiskey Web and Whatnot: Bringing Types to Ember with Chris Krycho

Chris Krycho 

Ember TypeScript Core Team

Center for Open Science

The Open Science Framework

Ember.js

TypeScript

ember-cli-typescript

Salsify 

Dan Freeman

Babel

JavaScript 

Definitely Typed

Peter Wagenet

SemVer

Glint

yarn link

Yalc

Using Yalc for Ember Engine/addon Development

Shepherd

Lerna 

EmberConf

James’ EmberConf 2019 Talk

Glimmer.js

Blenheim Vineyards 


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They say if it’s not broken, don’t fix it. So why are we running tests on tests on tests that aren’t business-critical? There’s an art to testing beyond just striving to get 100% coverage. In fact, over-testing can actually hamper your progress more than help it. Meanwhile, Chuck’s wondering why it’s not possible to have a union of enums in GraphQL.
In this episode, Chuck and Robbie discuss some tech frustrations, lessons for the React community, why Ship Shape implemented spam traps, and a whatnot on all things alcohol, sports, Friends, and Robbie’s (seemingly endless) truck saga. 

Key Takeaways

[01:50] - A lengthy whiskey review. 

[22:53] - Why getting carried away with tests becomes your downfall. 

[34:50] - Why Chuck thinks these tests in the React community are useless. 

[38:16] - Chuck’s GraphQL confusion. 

[40:49] - A browser bug Chuck noticed. 

[44:09] - Robbie’s non-sponsored plug.

[44:50] - A sports-themed whatnot and an update on Robbie’s truck saga. 


Quotes
[26:52] - “There are things that warrant tests and things that don’t and there are good best practices for writing them.” ~ @rwwagner90
[33:44] - “Sometimes people will just chase the goal of as close to 100% coverage as possible and then you end up with a bunch of egregious tests along the way.” ~ @CharlesWthe3rd
[34:00] - “You need to test what’s business-critical. You can do the other tests if you have the time. But there were a lot of tests that really didn’t even check anything. And it’s kind of arbitrary — you got that coverage, but you weren’t doing anything.” ~ @rwwagner90
[36:32] - “Cypress is a great example of having integration testing in context where you can get visual progression testing too so [you] have some understanding there.” ~ @CharlesWthe3rd

Links

Maker’s Mark No. 46

Maker’s Mark Cask Strength

Maker’s Mark Private Selection

Woodford Reserve

Jack Rose Dining Saloon

The FRIENDS Experience 

Mocha

Jest

Ember.js

Slack

reCAPTCHA

React

Cypress 

Facebook


Vite 

GraphQL

Chuck on Twitter

Elon Musk

Starlink

Netlify 

Middesk

QuickBooks

Walkabout Mini Golf on Oculus Quest

Holey Moley


Steph Curry 

Topgolf

Rivian


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Great things come in unexpected places. For Tracy Lee, an ex-boyfriend’s T-shirt sporting the Ember Tomster is what tipped her off to software development. Following curiosity and a three-week bootcamp, Tracy was hooked and ready to take on a career in coding.
Today, Tracy is the CEO of This Dot Labs. She leads a team of 50 developers with a focus on reactive programming, web performance, and developer experience. Her clients and colleagues have become her closest friends and she’s always looking to help fellow developers expand their careers. When she’s not running an agency, Tracy is part of the RX Core Team (one of her many professional memberships), posting tech content to social media, and raising a new baby boy. So how does she manage it all? 
In this episode, Tracy talks with Chuck and Robbie about wearing every hat under the sun and wearing them well, why she loves RxJS, having hard conversations with over-eager developers, what’s so often ignored by non-technical CEOs, and what keeps Tracy motivated above all else. 

Key Takeaways

[00:09] - A Cinco De Mayo-themed beverage review. 

[02:47] - An intro to Tracy.

[06:17] - What RxJS is used for. 

[09:28] - How Tracy balances everything.

[18:55] - Tracy’s life outside of coding, parenting, and business ownership. 

[27:17] - How Tracy first got into web development. 

[38:23] - Tracy’s advice for developers and the hardest pill to swallow when you’re over-eager. 

[45:05] - An important conversation about whiskey and Tracy’s liquor cabinet. 


Quotes
[08:24] - “Check out RxJS if you have not checked out RxJS. And then if you like it, I think it takes people a little bit to wrap their heads around it because it’s a new way of thinking, but once people do I feel like people just want to RxJS all the things.” ~ @ladyleet 
[15:19] - “I hope I can turn my life into only doing my hobby again. So that’s my goal. Hire enough people to where I can actually not have to do all the things I don’t love.” ~ @ladyleet 
[29:36] - “I love development because it was so challenging to me, instead of business. I think developers go the other way, they’re like, ‘oh development’s easy, let me do business stuff because that’s challenging.’ For me it was different, I was like, ‘man this is so invigorating, this is hard and it’s awesome and I can build things and create things.’” ~ @ladyleet 
[35:19] - “I always talk about web performance and generally no one really wants to invest in it but performance is such a huge deal.” ~ @ladyleet 

Links

Tracy on Twitter

This Dot Labs


Cutwater Spirits 

Bartesian

Keurig

RxJS Core Team

Google Developer Expert

GitHub Stars

Microsoft MVP

RxJS

Angular

Ember.js 


ember-concurrency 

tc39 Proposal for Observable 

Introduction to RxJS Patterns in React

This Dot Media on YouTube

React

Ken Wheeler


Cricut 

JavaScript

Meetup

ES2015

The Ember CLI

GraphQL

Apollo Federation

Vanilla JS

Sagamore Spirit

Four Roses Single Barrel

Blanton’s Bourbon

E.H. Taylor, Jr. Collection

W.L. Weller

Rickhouse

Buffalo Trace Distillery

Pappy Van Winkle's Whiskey

Willett Distillery

Stagg Jr. 

Jeffrey Morgenthaler’s Amaretto Sour

Laphroaig

Porsche Experience Center

This Dot Media Angular Meetup

This Dot Media React Meetup

This Dot Media Women In Tech Monthly Mentoring


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In early 2017, Chris Krycho was working at one of the few startups using Ember, searching for a way to bring types to the emerging language. His primary goal became solving semantic versioning for TS. As Chris kept iterating, striving to combine multiple programming worlds, other engineers joined him in the pursuit until eventually, the Ember TypeScript Core team was born. 
Today, Chris is a lead engineer at LinkedIn, a father, husband, runner, music composer, and whiskey enthusiast. His current goal is to ensure Ember Polaris has first-class TypeScript support. Aside from offering new dad advice to Robbie, Chris also describes what can become a superpower for new developers willing to work.
In this episode, Chris talks with Chuck and Robbie about best-case uses for TypeScript, a defense of complicated library code, Chris’ ultimate goal with software engineering, and his advice for programmers on the rise. 

Key Takeaways

[01:10] - A brief intro to Chris. 

[02:26] - A whiskey review. 

[10:57] - How the Ember TypeScript Core Team originated. 

[19:11] - When Chris believes TypeScript isn’t necessary. 

[26:52] - Chris’ lengthy experience with programming languages. 

[28:39] - Chris’ advice to Robbie as a new father. 

[30:59] - How Chris responds to Robbie’s issue with TypeScript.

[43:50] - What a first-class component template is.

[52:14] - A music and Hot Ones-themed whatnot. 

[57:43] - The one thing Chris always plugs for developers. 


Quotes
[16:27] - “TypeScript support is pretty essential to modern web development. Even if you’re not using TypeScript in your web app, you are using TypeScript because under the hood, all of the tooling that exists across the ecosystem, more or less, uses TypeScript.” ~ @chriskrycho
[19:39] - “There’s no project in which TypeScript is necessary. There are very few projects in which it might not be useful, but that’s going to depend on your team, your coding style, your mental frame, your background, etc.” ~ @chriskrycho
[60:45] - “Getting deep on subject matter as well as having a general breadth is a really powerful one-two punch in terms of being able to grow as an engineer, to actually understand what you’re working on.” ~ @chriskrycho
Links

Chris Krycho

ChrisKrycho.com

LinkedIn

Ember

LinkedIn Learning

Kent C. Dodds 

Old Forester 1920 Prohibition Style Whiskey

W.L. Weller

The Glenlivet 14 Year Old

Four Roses Bourbon

runspired

Chris Manson

Whiskey Web and Whatnot: Runspired vs. Chris Manson on Solving the Number One Open Source Maintainer Dilemma

Discord

EmberConf

Ember TypeScript Core Team (Typed Ember)

Dan Freeman

James Davis 

Derek Wickern

Mike North

Olo

Flow

JavaScript

TypeScript 2.1

Robert Jackson

Ember TypeScript on GitHub

DefinitelyTyped on GitHub

Glint 

JSX 

Vue.js

Svelte

Ember Observer

ember-cli-babel

IntelliJ IDEA

Jet Brains

VIM

Visual Studio 

Ruby

Python

Sorbet

Stefan Penner

Repple

Greg Vaughn

Elixir


Glenn Vanderburg 

Microsoft 

GitHub

Vanilla JS

Fortran

PHP

Rust

Swift

Hascal

Elm

Discourse

Semantic Versioning for TypeScript Types

ember-try

Redux

Mark Erikson

Codebase

Sam Selikoff 

Apollo GraphQL

Chris Krycho’s music

Chris Krycho’s on SoundCloud

SpaceX

Chris Garrett (zuraq)

ShopTalk Show Ep 512: Web Whiskey Crossover with Chuck Carpenter & Robbie Wagner

New Rustacean Podcast 

Prolog

Julia Evans


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