Most execs operate on “vibe knowledge.” Here’s how to lead AI transformation with clarity and speed.
What do executive decision-making, eCommerce innovation, and AI implementation all have in common? They’re often guided by gut feel—rather than data. In this episode of Applied Intelligence, Chris Perry (Chief Learning Officer, firstmovr) and Oskar Kaszubski (Chief Growth Officer, firstmovr) pull back the curtain on what’s really holding companies back from meaningful change.
We go deep on:
The difference between core knowledge vs. vibe knowledge
Why retailers need to stop treating AI like it’s magic
The “Fourth Mover” strategy that may actually be smarter than being first
What makes AI operationally useful instead of just shiny
How retail media is breaking org structures—and what to do about it
Why incremental KPIs are killing transformation
What we can all learn from eCommerce’s last 15 years (aka the “training ground”)
Whether you’re a CPG exec, AI optimist, or digital transformation skeptic, this conversation is a must-listen.
Timestamps
00:00 – Intro
03:12 – Retail media is an operating model, not a channel
12:00 – Want change? Change what you measure
17:18 – Vibe knowledge vs. core knowledge in the C-suite
26:05 – The AI treadmill is speeding up
33:00 – Why AI didn’t fail—you did
53:51 – We don’t have 15 years to figure this out
1:16:24 – The last 15 years was just training
🎙️ Guests: Chris Perry & Oskar Kaszubski, firstmovr
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Information
- Show
- FrequencyUpdated Weekly
- PublishedJuly 14, 2025 at 9:50 PM UTC
- Length1h 18m
- Season1
- Episode18
- RatingClean