Wingmen Show

Drew Brown and Paul Thompson

Two Dope Boys in a Navy jet. The Wingmen Show is a weekly podcast about challenges and opportunities in everyday life. Your hosts are two guys born in Harlem, New York previously unknown to each other. Separately, they became Navy pilots flying high performance jet aircraft on and off of aircraft carriers patrolling the world’s oceans. Their paths did not cross formally until they ended up flying for the same airline after their active-duty military service had ended. They have a wide range of experiences spanning the worlds of basketball and boxing. Drew’s father is Drew Bundini Brown, Muhammad Ali’s Wingman and coined the iconic phrase “Float Like A Butterfly Sting, Like A Bee". Martial Arts and Show Business are also areas of mutual interest. Drew has been featured nationally on television programs such as the Donahue Show and the Today Show. He has also appeared in hundreds of newspapers and magazines. Both are published authors as well as former Navy jet pilots and Commercial Airline Pilots; they retired after having flown the Boeing 777 airliner. The cultural mix of religions, immigrant parents and grandparents from Europe and the Caribbean gives them an uncommon perspective on racial matters. Melding the cultures of New York City, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Memphis, the Caribbean and Atlanta has helped shape their worldview when combined with the life they have seen and experienced having flown extensively to countries throughout the world.They are wingmen to each other, providing advice, guidance and constructive criticism when needed. The goal of the show is to inspire and entertain those unafraid to expand their minds and perhaps learn something new in the hope that the listeners can become wingmen to others. Each one, teach one.

  1. 3d ago ·  Video

    How To Stay On The Grind, When the Goal Seems So Far Away

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you! The Wingmen will take the show somewhere special very soon—the Maldives. But in this episode we tackle a question every dreamer eventually faces: how do you keep grinding when the goal still looks like a speck on the horizon? Commander Drew and Dr. Paul get honest about the unglamorous middle of every big pursuit. The dream is sexy—jets, success, and big moments. The grind is early mornings, late nights, and the same boring reps over and over. But as the Wingmen put it, the grind isn’t the pre-flight. The grind is the mission.  The guys break down why most people bail: the target feels too far away. The Wingman answer is simple — you don’t have to be close, you just have to keep moving. Fly the leg you’re on. Don’t ask “how long will this take?” Ask “what’s today’s step?” And don’t stare at the future so hard you trip over the present — if you only live for the finish line, you miss your whole life at cruising altitude.  The Good News segment delivers three lifts: a Tokyo café where robots are piloted live by homebound people with serious disabilities, giving them a second body and a way back into society; France becoming the first EU country to ban social media accounts for kids under 15; and Michigan’s House passing a bill to free kids’ lemonade stands from permits and fees. The Jet Jolt takes us to the flight deck of the USS Nimitz for FOD walkdowns — and the life lesson that the little junk you ignore is what wrecks your engine. The Frequent Flow-Line answers Tamika in Tacoma on getting unstuck after the kids leave home, Ace weighs in live, and the Wingmen Story follows Senior Chief Santiago’s final PT test aboard his last tour — and the young sailor who helped him cross the finish line with honor.

  2. Jul 28 ·  Video

    Thirty Seconds to Calm: The Wingmen Way

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you! What if thirty seconds of kindness could cut discipline problems in half? In Episode 258, Drew and Paul open with a leadership lesson straight out of an Atlanta middle school, where Principal Kimberly Sewell rebuilt her entire instructional framework around one rule: connection before content. Teachers now spend the first thirty seconds of every class simply connecting with students—favorite pizza toppings, what makes them happy—before a single lesson begins. The results speak for themselves: discipline referrals down roughly fifty percent, better attendance, and kids choosing conversations over fights in a school of nearly 900 students. Paul frames it the way only a carrier pilot can: it’s a pre-flight brief for the heart. Aviate, navigate, and communicate become connect, then teach; then stabilize the plane before you start pushing buttons.

  3. Jul 21 ·  Video

    America Plays Soccer, But the World Lives Soccer

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you! The world speaks one sporting language, and it isn’t ours. In Episode 257, Commander Drew and Dr. Paul tackle a question American fans keep asking, especially with the World Cup landing on U.S. soil: why does the country that dominates so many sports still trail the planet in the one game everybody else lives for? The Wingmen break it down piece by piece—a youth culture where the best athletes chase helmets, hoops, and home runs first; a “pay-to-play” pipeline that turns soccer into a country-club sport and filters talent by family bank account instead of raw ability; an MLS structure built for financial safety rather than global firepower; the missing generational superstar who could put a U.S. jersey on every kid’s back; and a commercial-free game that never fit the American TV money machine. The verdict is honest but hopeful: America loves soccer—it just doesn’t lead soccer yet. From the pitch to the diamond, the Wingmen answer a question every fan has wondered about: why do ballplayers paint their faces? The answer blends real science—eye black absorbing glare so a fielder can track a ball against a brutal sky—with something deeper: ritual. That swipe of grease is a ballplayer’s pre-flight checklist, a small habit that locks in focus before the big moment. The lesson travels far beyond baseball: your game face isn’t magic, it’s preparation. The Good News segment delivers a triple play. In New Jersey, while World Cup crowds pack fan festivals, the charity Table to Table runs its “Kick Hunger Out of New Jersey” tour—rescuing hundreds of prepared meals from festivals, restaurants, and food trucks and delivering them straight to families who need them, proving that even when our game isn’t world-class, our generosity can be. In Chicago, Sister Stephanie Baliga—once one of the fastest freshman runners in the country—traded Olympic dreams for a religious calling and never stopped running: her Chicago Marathon team has raised over $2.6 million to feed 400 to 500 families a week. The Jet Jolt takes listeners back to the Thunderstorm Project, when combat pilots and meteorologists deliberately flew war-tested Black Widows into the worst storms on earth—getting flipped, hammered, and bounced thousands of feet—so they could map how thunderstorms live and die. Their courage is the reason today’s worst weather problem is a delayed pushback and a missing pretzel. Every boring, safe flight in rough weather carries their signature.

  4. Jul 14 ·  Video

    When AI Becomes a Wingman

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you! This week, the Wingmen look at what happens when artificial intelligence stops being a buzzword and starts being a Wingman — standing next to farmers, families, and entire communities to fight hunger and food waste around the world. From solar cold rooms that think for themselves to smart logistics that see the whole battlefield, it’s proof that technology becomes heroic only when it’s pointed at real human problems and used with heart. ●   AI That Fights Hunger — Solar-powered cold rooms with AI monitoring predict spoilage, alert farmers which crops to move first, and turn basic refrigeration into an intelligent Wingman for entire villages. ●  Smart Logistics, Full Trucks—AI reads roads, weather, and market demand like a logistics officer with instant intel: fill the truck from two farms, sell where prices are higher, and cut waste and cost at the same time. ●  Data Becomes Motivation — Communities see their impact on a simple screen: meals saved, families fed, and waste kept out of the landfill—fuel to keep going when it gets hard. ●   Good News #1: Daraxonrasib—An experimental pill for advanced pancreatic cancer nearly doubled median survival (13.2 months vs. 6.7 on chemo) by targeting KRAS mutations long considered “undruggable.” Doctors literally cried at the results. ●  Good News #2: The Blue Bags of Texas — Japan’s World Cup fans stayed after a 2–2 draw with the Netherlands to clean the stands—no announcement, no instruction, just culture. Even Jameis Winston grabbed a blue shirt and joined in. ●  Jet Jolt: Project Sunrise—Qantas' A350-ULR with a 5,300-gallon rear center tank is about to make Sydney-to-London nonstop a scheduled reality: 20-plus hours, wellbeing zones, destination-timed lighting, and ultra-long-haul ops turned up to 11.

  5. Jul 7 ·  Video

    Why Watching Sports Makes People Happy

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you!   Why does a championship win feel like you flew the final mission yourself? In Episode 255, Commander Drew and Dr. Paul break down the real psychology behind sports fandom—and why it's anything but "just a game." When your team wins, your brain reacts as if you won: self-esteem climbs, mood lifts, and life feels more meaningful. A major U.K. study of more than 7,000 people found that attending live sports measurably boosts life satisfaction and cuts loneliness—the stadium becomes a temporary squadron ready room, complete with its own colors, chants, and call signs. And the payoff doesn't vanish when your team loses: riding the highs and lows season after season builds real resilience, and the big games become waypoints in the story of your life.  From there, the Wingmen take on hustle culture versus the "soft life." It's not candlelit baths and pretty TikToks—the soft life grew out of Black thought leaders, especially Black women, reclaiming rest, healing, and dignity in a world that demands they push through. Drew and Paul draw the key distinction between reactive escape and proactive slow living, and lay out a practical flight plan: call a factory reset, trade quantity for quality, be where your feet are, and treat real rest as resistance—not weakness.

  6. Jun 9

    Team Pride. Oh What a Powerful Rush, Either WAY

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you!  Team pride is one of the most powerful forces in human psychology — and in Episode 253, Commander Drew and Dr. Paul dig into why that rush hits so hard, where it comes from, and what it means for your real life. Whether your team just won a championship or you're watching someone hold a job offer letter for the first time, the chemistry is the same: identity, belonging, and the electric charge of shared victory.  From the roar of a packed stadium to the quiet dignity of a Korean War vet being walked home by a teenager in a hoodie, this episode is about what it means to win together — and what it costs when pride tips into tribalism. The Wingmen also celebrate a once-in-a-generation moment: the New York Knicks returning to the NBA Finals after 27 years, and a franchise using that spotlight to open doors for kids who never thought they'd get through them.  The Frequent Flow Line letter from Michael in Juneau, Alaska hits differently — a 34-year-old man caught between love for his aging parents and resentment toward sisters who've quietly checked out of caregiving. And The Gouge tackles the single habit that quietly destroys more potential than bad luck ever will.

  7. Jun 2

    How to Get More Men to Try Therapy-It’s Life Changing!

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you! Every man gets handed the same invisible rulebook at some point: don’t talk about your feelings, walk off the pain, say “I’m fine” when you’re anything but. Episode 252 is about what happens when men finally put that rulebook down — and why therapy might be the most underrated power move a man can make.  Commander Drew and Dr. Paul break down what’s really going on behind the silence: anxiety, depression, stress, and trauma quietly stacking up in men of every background while they keep insisting they’ve got it handled. The warning signs don’t always look like a breakdown — they look like disappearing from friends, snapping over nothing, or being physically present but mentally checked out.  The episode reframes what therapy actually is — not a couch and a tissue box, but a structured place to get honest, get tools, and stop white-knuckling it alone. Therapy doesn’t make someone the hero of your story. It just hands you a better playbook.  Good News goes deep into the ocean — literally. Scientists discovered 1,121 new marine species in a single year, including a ghost shark older than the dinosaurs and a worm living inside what researchers call a glass castle. With 86% of life on Earth still unidentified, the message is clear: we are nowhere near done exploring.  Jet Jolt puts the miracle of flight in perspective — roughly 80% of the world’s population has never been on an airplane. Not once. For those who fly regularly, it’s a reminder that what feels routine is actually extraordinary.  The Frequent Flow-Line brings a letter from Brian in Manchester, England, who watches the show every week with his children and asks how Drew and Paul decided to join the Navy and become airline pilots. Their answers go well beyond career choices — they’re about purpose, service, and what it means to keep looking up.  The Wingmen PSA covers EFIL Fact #6: anger is really fear. Stress is the number one killer — and the prescription is simple. Sit down, shut up, and do nothing for 24 hours.  The Gouge with Ace takes on a question every young person needs to hear answered honestly: what’s the real gouge on success that nobody tells you?  The Wingman Story closes the show with Charlie O. and Tyler — a classroom, a partner practice assignment, and one athlete who walks past the cool crowd to sit with the kid everyone else is waiting to see fail. It’s a story about guarding someone’s dignity — and discovering that’s its own kind of greatness.

  8. May 26

    Discipline Always Beats Talent. Discipline Plus Talent Is Unstoppable

    Sent us text! We would love to hear from you! In Episode 251, Commander Drew Brown and Dr. Paul Thompson take on one of the most misunderstood debates in performance culture: talent versus discipline. They make the case that while talent is a gift, discipline is the decision—and when you stack both together, you become truly unstoppable.  Through vivid storytelling from Navy flight school, real-world examples of gifted pilots who washed out and steady grinders who became legends, and the unforgiving standards of carrier aviation, Drew and Paul illustrate that checklist mentality and daily consistency are what separate those who survive from those who thrive.  The episode also features a powerful Good News segment on how positive thinking and brain science can actually boost your immune response—and a moving Wingman Story about Joel, a young man with Down syndrome whose basketball shot brought an entire school to its feet and the internet to tears.    WE TALK ABOUT:  ◆Why talent without discipline is just unused potential—and how discipline is the multiplier that activates it◆Real stories from Navy flight training: the naturally gifted pilot who washed out and the grinder who became the most trusted man in the squadron◆How checklist mentality turns good performance into unstoppable performance—and why 'boring wins' in aviation and in life◆Good News: the neuroscience study connecting positive thinking to a measurable immune response boost after vaccination◆Jet Jolt—Formation Flying: the discipline of sight picture, closure rate, and why you separate immediately rather than guess◆Frequent Flow Line — Amber from Atlanta: navigating a faith transition without destroying your family relationships◆Wingman Story—Joel's Shot: how a young man with Down syndrome hit a bucket that went viral and changed his world

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Two Dope Boys in a Navy jet. The Wingmen Show is a weekly podcast about challenges and opportunities in everyday life. Your hosts are two guys born in Harlem, New York previously unknown to each other. Separately, they became Navy pilots flying high performance jet aircraft on and off of aircraft carriers patrolling the world’s oceans. Their paths did not cross formally until they ended up flying for the same airline after their active-duty military service had ended. They have a wide range of experiences spanning the worlds of basketball and boxing. Drew’s father is Drew Bundini Brown, Muhammad Ali’s Wingman and coined the iconic phrase “Float Like A Butterfly Sting, Like A Bee". Martial Arts and Show Business are also areas of mutual interest. Drew has been featured nationally on television programs such as the Donahue Show and the Today Show. He has also appeared in hundreds of newspapers and magazines. Both are published authors as well as former Navy jet pilots and Commercial Airline Pilots; they retired after having flown the Boeing 777 airliner. The cultural mix of religions, immigrant parents and grandparents from Europe and the Caribbean gives them an uncommon perspective on racial matters. Melding the cultures of New York City, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Memphis, the Caribbean and Atlanta has helped shape their worldview when combined with the life they have seen and experienced having flown extensively to countries throughout the world.They are wingmen to each other, providing advice, guidance and constructive criticism when needed. The goal of the show is to inspire and entertain those unafraid to expand their minds and perhaps learn something new in the hope that the listeners can become wingmen to others. Each one, teach one.

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  • Creator
    Drew Brown and Paul Thompson
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    245
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Wingmen Show
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