In this episode of the Be the CEO of Your Career summer series, Tammy Gooler Loeb focuses on the second practice in her framework: Discovery. Discovery is about noticing the gaps in what you know, becoming curious about them, and actively gathering the information, experiences, and relationships that can help you determine your next steps. Rather than allowing uncertainty to translate into overwhelm or paralysis, discovery turns uncertainty into an invitation to explore, take charge, and gain new ground. Through her conversation with Jason Van Orden, Tammy brings the practice of discovery to life. Jason's career offers a powerful example of repeated discovery. His early fascination with computers and programming led him to study electrical engineering and software development, but he soon realized that working as an employee wasn't right for him. That discovery led him to experiment with real estate investing, marketing, teaching, and eventually podcasting. His first business podcast became a Top 10 business podcast and continued for a decade. Jason's discovery process continued even after achieving significant success. While living in Paris and running his established business, he realized he was no longer waking up energized by the work. Rather than throwing away everything he had built, he gave himself time and space to experiment and identify which parts of his experience he wanted to carry forward. That process eventually led him toward consulting with coaches and consultants, developing scalable programs, networking, and helping others communicate and grow their businesses. Today, Jason is also exploring artificial intelligence with the same curiosity that once drew him toward podcasting. For him, discovery means remaining open to what is emerging, testing possibilities, and finding ways to integrate new ideas without losing authenticity. His advice for anyone wondering what comes next is simple: follow your curiosity. Curiosity can become a channel to intuition, helping reveal interests and possibilities that might otherwise remain hidden. In This Week's Podcast, Learn More About: What discovery looks like as an ongoing career practiceWhy curiosity can be more useful than trying to "find your passion"How to turn uncertainty into an invitation to exploreRecognizing the breadcrumbs that appear throughout your careerUsing experimentation to learn what fitsWhy discovery requires engagement with other peopleHow Jason transitioned from engineering to entrepreneurshipThe unexpected path from real estate investing to podcastingWhat Jason learned from leaving a successful businessHow networking became an important part of his next chapterUsing your existing skills in new and unexpected waysExploring AI while maintaining an authentic voiceWhy you don't need to have your entire next chapter figured out Learn more: Visit Jason Van Orden’s website at jasonvanorden.com Email Jason Van Orden at Jason@JasonVanOrden.com Sign up for Jason Van Orden’s newsletterListen to the Impact: How to Grow Your Thought Leadership Brand and Business podcastLinkedIn Your CEO of Your Career Move: Pick one thing you've been wondering about. It could be a different role, a possible career direction, an industry, a business idea, a skill you want to develop, or simply a question about what might be possible. Instead of researching it alone on your laptop, go talk to a person about it. Have one informational conversation. Reach out to someone who has already explored that path. Ask an honest question. Talk to a librarian, colleague, former coworker, mentor, or someone you admire. The goal isn't to make a decision. The goal is to discover something you didn't know before. That's discovery in action. Stay Connected: Connect with Tammy on LinkedInWork From The Inside Out WebsiteRead Tammy’s book: Work from the Inside OutSubscribe to the newsletterSubscribe to YouTube: @tammygoolerloebBuy Me A Coffee to support the podcast
