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Three millennials sit down with Lutheran theologians to understand how Scripture is working in our lives. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, sin, faith, forgiveness, Luther, and more are on the table as Mason Van Essen, Kiri Haugen, and Adam Guthmiller discuss each week's upcoming lectionary Bible passage with Luther House of Study's theologians to hear the context in and around Scripture before it's preached in church.

  1. hace 3 días

    Are You Ready for Jesus to Return? | Matthew 25:1-13 with Lars Olson

    Are you ready for Jesus to return? It’s a question that can send Christians scrambling to inspect their faith, measure their commitment, and wonder what they might still be missing. But in the parable of the ten bridesmaids, Jesus exposes the futility of trusting our own preparations and directs us instead to the one certainty that holds when everything else falls away: his promise to you. GOSPEL  Matthew 25:1-13 1 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like this. Ten bridesmaids took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 When the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them; 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, all of them became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Look! Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those bridesmaids got up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise replied, ‘No! there will not be enough for you and for us; you had better go to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy it, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went with him into the wedding banquet; and the door was shut. 11 Later the other bridesmaids came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’ 13 Keep awake therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour. DOUBLE YOUR DONATION A donor has committed to doubling every episode sponsorship received between now and Christmas. If you’d like to have your donation doubled, visit LutherHouseofStudy.org/donate. WOMEN’S ORDINATION PAPER Luther House of Study has published a new paper, Ordination of Women by Evangelical Lutherans Revisited, by Chris Croghan and Sarah Stenson. The paper examines the biblical passages commonly cited against women’s ordination, the Lutheran Confessions, Martin Luther’s writings, and the arguments of Lutheran theologians on both sides of the question. The authors argue that neither Scripture nor the Lutheran Confessions prohibits women from being ordained to the pastoral office. You can read the full paper for free here: Women’s Ordination Paper Link CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  2. 26 oct

    Sneaky Jesus | Matthew 5:1-12 with Dr. Chris Croghan

    You don’t become a saint by finally getting over your selfishness, proving your virtue, or living up to the Beatitudes. You become a saint when Christ puts you to death and raises you to new life by speaking his promise to you. This All Saints Sunday, we hear how Jesus blesses sinners in the middle of mourning, need, and persecution—and gives us a peace this world cannot provide: the certainty that we belong to him. GOSPEL  Matthew 5:1-12         1 When Jesus saw the crowds, he went up the mountain; and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. 2 Then he began to speak, and taught them, saying:         3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.         4 "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.         5 "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.         6 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.         7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.         8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.         9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.         10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.         11 "Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. WOMEN’S ORDINATION PAPER Luther House of Study has published a new paper, Ordination of Women by Evangelical Lutherans Revisited, by Chris Croghan and Sarah Stenson. The paper examines the biblical passages commonly cited against women’s ordination, the Lutheran Confessions, Martin Luther’s writings, and the arguments of Lutheran theologians on both sides of the question. The authors argue that neither Scripture nor the Lutheran Confessions prohibits women from being ordained to the pastoral office. You can read the full paper for free here: Women’s Ordination Paper Link CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  3. 19 oct

    Sin Slave | John 8:31-36 with Sarah Stenson

    Reformation Day isn't about celebrating how much better Lutherans are at getting Christianity right; it's about hearing the promise that sets sinners free. Jesus says that even those who believe in him are slaves to sin, and that freedom comes not from our ability to remain faithful, but from the Son who gives us a permanent place in God's household. In this episode, we explore why the Christian life isn't about proving that we're free, but receiving Christ's Word when sin, suffering, and doubt tell us otherwise. GOSPEL  John 8:31-36 31 Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered him, "We are descendants of Abraham and have never been slaves to anyone. What do you mean by saying, 'You will be made free'?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Very truly, I tell you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not have a permanent place in the household; the son has a place there forever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. WOMEN’S ORDINATION PAPER Luther House of Study has published a new paper, Ordination of Women by Evangelical Lutherans Revisited, by Chris Croghan and Sarah Stenson. The paper examines the biblical passages commonly cited against women’s ordination, the Lutheran Confessions, Martin Luther’s writings, and the arguments of Lutheran theologians on both sides of the question. The authors argue that neither Scripture nor the Lutheran Confessions prohibits women from being ordained to the pastoral office. You can read the full paper for free here: Women’s Ordination Paper Link CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  4. 12 oct

    Women’s Ordination: Why Not? | Matthew 22:15-22 with Dr. Chris Croghan & Sarah Stenson

    What happens when you use God’s Law to prove that you’re righteous, only to discover that it condemns you instead? In this episode, the Pharisees try to trap Jesus with a question about paying taxes, but Jesus turns the trial around and exposes the very hypocrisy they’re trying to hide. The Law offers no loophole and no escape from accusation—but Christ enters that accusation himself, suffers what our sin deserves, and speaks the word we cannot give ourselves: forgiveness. GOSPEL  Matthew 22:15-22 15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted to entrap him in what he said. 16 So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality. 17 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?" 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, "Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax." And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, "Whose head is this, and whose title?" 21 They answered, "The emperor's." Then he said to them, "Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor's, and to God the things that are God's." 22 When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away. WOMEN’S ORDINATION PAPER Luther House of Study has published a new paper, Ordination of Women by Evangelical Lutherans Revisited, by Chris Croghan and Sarah Stenson. The paper examines the biblical passages commonly cited against women’s ordination, the Lutheran Confessions, Martin Luther’s writings, and the arguments of Lutheran theologians on both sides of the question. The authors argue that neither Scripture nor the Lutheran Confessions prohibits women from being ordained to the pastoral office. You can read the full paper for free here: Women’s Ordination Paper Link CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  5. 5 oct

    Rejecting Your Rejection | Matthew 22:1-14 with Lars Olson

    The king invites everyone to his son’s wedding, but some reject the invitation, and another arrives trying to justify himself. In this episode, we explore the uncomfortable truth that we can resist God’s promise both by refusing his invitation and by trying to prove we belong. Faith stops looking inward for a reason to be saved and rests in the only answer that matters: “Because you said so, Lord.” GOSPEL  Matthew 22:1-14 1 Once more Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding banquet, but they would not come. 4 Again he sent other slaves, saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited: Look, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready; come to the wedding banquet.’ 5 But they made light of it and went away, one to his farm, another to his business, 6 while the rest seized his slaves, mistreated them, and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Go therefore into the main streets, and invite everyone you find to the wedding banquet.’ 10 Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered all whom they found, both good and bad; so the wedding hall was filled with guests. 11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing a wedding robe, 12 and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding robe?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.” CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  6. 28 sep

    Who Produces Fruit? | Matthew 21:33-46 with Dr. Chris Croghan

    What happens when we start treating God’s kingdom as though it belongs to us? In this episode, Jesus tells a parable about tenants who reject the prophets, kill the Son, and convince themselves that they can seize the inheritance for themselves. We explore why the fruits of the kingdom aren’t something we produce or control, but faith in the Son whom God sent—and why the cornerstone we reject is the very Christ who gives us mercy. GOSPEL  Matthew 21:33-46 33 "Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard, put a fence around it, dug a wine press in it, and built a watchtower. Then he leased it to tenants and went to another country. 34 When the harvest time had come, he sent his slaves to the tenants to collect his produce. 35 But the tenants seized his slaves and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other slaves, more than the first; and they treated them in the same way. 37 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.' 38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the heir; come, let us kill him and get his inheritance.' 39 So they seized him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40 Now when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?" 41 They said to him, "He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and lease the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the produce at the harvest time." 42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord's doing, and it is amazing in our eyes'? 43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that produces the fruits of the kingdom. 44 The one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and it will crush anyone on whom it falls." 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they realized that he was speaking about them. 46 They wanted to arrest him, but they feared the crowds, because they regarded him as a prophet. CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  7. 21 sep

    Caught in Self-Righteousness | Matthew 21:23-32 with Sarah Stenson

    What if the most important question in this passage isn’t whether you believe in Jesus, but whether Jesus has authority over you? In this episode, we watch the religious leaders try to trap Jesus with a question about his authority, only to have Jesus expose their self-preservation and reveal that the people they considered the worst sinners were entering the kingdom ahead of them. The Gospel isn’t a call to make the right decision or become less self-righteous; it’s the promise that even people who have betrayed Christ receive the final word of forgiveness from his authority. GOSPEL  Matthew 21:23-32 23 When he entered the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him as he was teaching, and said, “By what authority are you doing these things, and who gave you this authority?” 24 Jesus said to them, “I will also ask you one question; if you tell me the answer, then I will also tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 Did the baptism of John come from heaven, or was it of human origin?” And they argued with one another, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ 26 But if we say, ‘Of human origin,’ we are afraid of the crowd; for all regard John as a prophet.” 27 So they answered Jesus, “We do not know.” And he said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things. 28 “What do you think? A man had two sons; he went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’ 29 He answered, ‘I will not’; but later he changed his mind and he went. 30 The father went to the second and said the same; and he answered, ‘I go, sir’; but he did not go. 31 Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him; and even after you saw it, you did not  change your minds and you did not believe him. CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

  8. 14 sep

    Are You Envious of God’s Generosity? | Matthew 20:1-16 with Sarah Stenson & Dr. Chris Croghan

    What if the kingdom of heaven isn’t fair? In this episode, we unpack Jesus’ parable of the workers in the vineyard, where those who work all day receive the same promise as those who arrive at the very end—and discover why the real problem isn’t God’s generosity, but our demand that God give us what we think we deserve. The last will be first and the first will be last because God’s righteousness isn’t about treating us fairly; it’s about a God who is free to fulfill his promise and generous enough to give mercy to whom he chooses. GOSPEL  Matthew 20:1-16 1 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 When he went out about nine o'clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; 4 and he said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' So they went. 5 When he went out again about noon and about three o'clock, he did the same. 6 And about five o'clock he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, 'Why are you standing here idle all day?' 7 They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard.' 8 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, 'Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.' 9 When those hired about five o'clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. 11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' 13 But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?' 16 So the last will be first, and the first will be last." CARE OF SOULS: DEATH In Care of Souls, a special mini-series podcast from Luther House of Study, Lutheran pastors and theologians come together to explore the deeply personal and pastoral task of preaching to and caring for those facing death, grief, and loss. Rooted in the theology of the cross and the Lutheran tradition of radical grace, this series offers both theological depth and practical guidance for pastors, church workers, and lay leaders. Across five episodes, the hosts tackle tough but essential questions on death: How does Lutheran theology speak uniquely to death and grief?What does faithful pastoral care look like when walking alongside those who mourn?How can pastors offer both honesty and hope in the face of tragedy and loss?What does ministry look like when death impacts the pastor as well as the congregation?Why do funerals matter, and what is God giving through them?With conversations, real-life stories, and reflections from the front lines of ministry, Care of Souls equips listeners to enter the sorrow of death not with easy answers, but with the crucified and risen Christ. Because in the end, it's not about avoiding death—it's about hearing the Gospel from the One who has passed through death and opened the way to life. Listen to Care of Souls wherever you listen to podcasts or on the Luther House website: Care of Souls Support the show Interested in sponsoring an episode of Scripture First? Email Sarah at sarah@lhos.org or visit our donation page: lutherhouseofstudy.org/donate

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Three millennials sit down with Lutheran theologians to understand how Scripture is working in our lives. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, sin, faith, forgiveness, Luther, and more are on the table as Mason Van Essen, Kiri Haugen, and Adam Guthmiller discuss each week's upcoming lectionary Bible passage with Luther House of Study's theologians to hear the context in and around Scripture before it's preached in church.

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