Between Two Dots

Between Two Dots

The title "Between Two Dots" is meant to describe the time between when we are born and when we perish. Our hope is to share insights and learnings from our guests, who we are inspired by and who are living life on their terms - with purpose and impact as their North Star. Hosted by Hafiz Mitha and Gilbert Bong.

  1. 1 day ago

    182 - Jeff Pilon - Two-Time Grey Cup Champion & Founder of Selling Properties

    Between Two Dots Podcast Episode 182 – Jeff Pilon Jeff Pilon walked into the world as a scrawny kid from Ottawa whose dad could do two hours of sit-ups just for the hell of it at 78 years old, and whose brother was 13 months older, equally large, and always one step ahead. Sports weren't a hobby in the Pilon household — they were the curriculum. His father made the Olympics in wrestling, then judo. His brother became Calgary's first overall pick. Jeff? He just wanted to hit people and figure out how cars worked. What followed was a decade at Syracuse, a practice squad stint with the New York Jets, a season in the inaugural XFL, 17 shoulder and knee operations, and ten seasons as an offensive lineman for the Calgary Stampeders — winning two Grey Cups, earning Western All-Star honours, and playing the last two years of his career with a broken back. In ten seasons, he missed six games. He now spends his time in a quieter kind of trench: Calgary real estate, as founder of Selling Properties, specialising in northwest Calgary listings, pre-construction marketing, and investment opportunities. He doesn't talk about himself much. He showed up to this interview from a library room because his dog, his kids, and his wife's conference call had taken over the house. Between two dots – “Really, the value is in that line: the journey.”   "Life's full of excuses. You can stop. You can lose your business. Anything happens. But how bad do you want it?" – Jeff Pilon   Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview 00:01:57 – Born in Ottawa: A Wrestling Hall of Famer Dad & Growing Up Competing 00:06:37 – Self-Made Highlight Tapes, Scouting Camps & Choosing Syracuse Over Michigan 00:14:58 – Training for the NFL Draft, the Jets & Why Honesty Cost Him 00:21:45 – Meningitis, Surgeries & Playing Through Everything 00:27:57 – Sponsor Ad Break 00:30:14 – Ten Seasons with the Stampeders: Two Grey Cups & a Broken Back 00:43:56 – The Culture of Football: Pain, Brotherhood & Playing for the Guy Beside You 01:01:29 – From the Field to Real Estate: Building a Second Career 01:11:41 – Outro & Call to Action   Connect with Jeff: Website: https://www.jeffpilon.ca Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeffpilonremax/   Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca   Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com   Airways Krown: www.krown.com   Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  2. 6 days ago

    181 - Dr. Simon Bryant - Doctor, Humanitarian & Lifelong Adventurer

    Between Two Dots PodcastEpisode 181 – Dr. SimonBryantSimon Bryant came into the shop to get his car undercoated. He left with a podcast invitation. That's how it starts with Simon — a stranger, a conversation, and somethingthat stays with you long after. Born in Coventry, England, Simon crossed the Atlantic byboat at age three, grew up in a secular, book-filled, television-free home with libertarian parents who thought nothing of letting their 13-year-old cycle solo from Montreal to ancouver — 100 miles a day. He dropped out of university at 17, traveled the world for eight years, survived a near head-on collision with a tractor trailer in Kitimat that quietly rearranged his priorities, and eventually returned to school. He graduated from medical school at 30 and spent the next 35 years doing almost everything a physician could do: hospitalist, rural and remote medicine across Alberta, a decade serving Inuit communities in the Canadian Arctic, search and rescue on a Doctors Without Borders ship in the Mediterranean — pulling over 7,000 asylum seekers out of rubber dinghies. He worked in the emergency department and ICU in Taliban-adjacent Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan. Then, for the last several years of his career, medical assistance in dying. He retired on December 31st, 2024, and spent the next month learningto sail in the Caribbean. Between two dots – “Really, the value is in that line: thejourney.”   "The reasons I started aren't the reasons I continue. It stopped being about me. If something needs doing and nobody elseis doing it — why not me? Why not now?" – Dr. Simon Bryant   Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview00:01:05 – Born in England, Raised Everywhere: A Libertarian Childhood Without TV00:05:48 – Cycling Solo Across Canada at 13: 100 Miles a Day00:11:11 – A Near-Death Experience & Finding Purpose Through Travel00:22:27 – 35 Years of Medicine: Hospitalist, the Arctic & Doctors Without Borders00:29:15 – Sponsor Ad Break00:31:31 – Medical Assistance in Dying: Why He Chose the Work Nobody Else Would00:39:47 – Ego, Service & the Moment It Stopped Being About Him00:49:47 – Live with Purpose, Stay Curious: Lessons from a Life Well Done00:56:52 – Outro & Call to Action  Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca  Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com  Airways Krown: www.krown.com   Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  3. 6 Jul

    180 - Mike McGillivray - Specialty Finance Expert & Director at Care Lending Group

    Between Two Dots PodcastEpisode 180 – Mike McGillivrayMike McGillivray didn't grow up with a fixed home — he grew up with a fixed mindset. Born in Germany to a Canadian Air Force fighter pilot father, Mike moved over 30 times before adulthood, cycling through military bases, civilian schools, and international cities, never quite settling, always adapting. It's a childhood that most would describe as unsettling. Mike would call it his greatest education. That same adaptability carried him through a molecular biology degree at the University of Alberta, a pivot into pharmaceutical sales and private healthcare development during the Klein-era push for integrated care in Alberta, and then — almost by accident — into the world of niche finance.What started as an opportunity to finance pharmacy acquisitions became a 20-year career in cash flow lending, eventually landing him at Care Lending Group, where he serves as Director, helping financial advisory firms acrossCanada structure acquisitions, internal share purchases, and succession capital — the kind of specialised work the big banks largely don't do. Between two dots – “Really, the value is in that line: the journey.” "You can make a lot of trust deposits, but you can't make very many withdrawals." – Mike McGillivray   Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview00:01:35 – Growing Up Military: 30+ Moves, Germany & the Cold War Air Force Life00:07:02 – Adaptability, Identity & What Military Kids Are Made Of00:20:16 – From Molecular Biology to Business: The Pivot Out of the Lab00:22:44 – Pharma, Private Healthcare & Early Entrepreneurial Lessons00:27:38 – Discovering Finance: A Crash Course in Cash Flow Lending00:28:49 – Sponsor Ad Break00:31:04 – Navigating the 2008 Financial Crisis & Building at Cairn Lending Group00:46:19 – On Career, Serendipity & Blooming Where You're Planted00:55:04 – Outro & Call to Action   Connect with Mike:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mcgillivraymike/ Care Lending Group: https://carelendinggroup.com   Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca  Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com  Airways Krown: www.krown.com   Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  4. 29 Jun

    179 - DJ Sanj - Producer Behind the First Billion-Stream Punjabi Song

    Between Two Dots PodcastEpisode 179 – DJ SanjDJ Sanj is one of the most influential producers in Punjabi and Bhangra music, with a career spanning over two decades and a legacy that's helped shape the global desi sound. But his story doesn't start in a studio — it starts with 28 moves across three countries, a dad who lost his job and opened an Italian restaurant in Texas, and a kid who got picked on for being brown in 1980s London, Ontario, and decided early on that he'd rather be feared than understood. DJ Sanj's edge isn't the accolades — it's the philosophy underneath them. He doesn't chase happiness ("the worst fuel you could have for motivating yourself"), and he's built his entire career on uncompromising principles and total self-accountability. That mindset carried him from sleeping on the streets and surviving on £500 a month in the UK to becoming a household name there in under three years — and decades later, to composing the official Winnipeg Jets anthem for South Asian Heritage Night, the first time the NHL has commissioned a Punjabi producer for a league event. He's also the producer behind "Dust Jar," the first Punjabi song tosurpass 1 billion global streams. Between two dots – “Really, the value is inthat line: the journey.” "I think we're all aging meat packetswith the same persona, unless you've done some rewiring." – DJ Sanj Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview00:01:33 – Growing Up Across 28 Moves: Family, Identity & an Angry Childhood00:14:00 – University, Philosophy & Discovering Music as a Bridge00:23:03 – Touring, Bootleg Tapes & Chasing the UK Dream00:27:31 – Homelessness, Principles & Refusing to Ask for Help00:31:27 – Sponsor Ad Break00:33:43 – Self-Awareness, Accountability & Rejecting "Happiness"00:54:12 – The Winnipeg Jets Anthem & Staying Quiet About Success00:58:28 – Returning to Music with AI & The DJ Sanj Podcast01:07:26 – Outro & Call to Action Connect with DJ Sanj:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/djsanj1Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1kfqHPfj8yygKGMD3NrDE5YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3o93I1WQ3GHwMN7oIzeHbgFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DJSANJ1/ Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com  Airways Krown: www.krown.com   Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  5. 22 Jun

    178 - Nelson Liem - Founder of Exmerce, Alberta's Largest Barter Exchange

    Between Two Dots PodcastEpisode 178 – Nelson Liem Nelson Liem built Alberta's largest business tradeexchange — and he did it from his townhouse in Arbor Lake, with his girlfriend at the time as his co-founder and zero idea where it would go. Born and raised in Calgary to a social-worker dad and a bank-teller mom, Nelson grew up thefamily connector, the one who brought people together long before he knew that instinct would become a business. A flunked actuarial midterm sent him into marketing, a recruiting booth at the University of Calgary sent him to WaltDisney World, and a string of unfulfilling corporate sales jobs eventually sent him somewhere nobody in his family had gone before: out on his own. What he landed on was strange enough that evenhis parents asked why. Inspired by eBay's golden era, Nelson stumbled into the decades-old barter industry and decided Calgary needed a third trade exchange. Twenty-one years, one mentor named Michael Carron, and 500-plus memberbusinesses later, that "why" turned into Exmerce — Alberta's largest barter network, with an Edmonton expansion and a global barter software platform now in the works. Between two dots – “Really, the value is inthat line: the journey.” "I think you're born with it — that fire inside of you, wanting to prove yourself and do something bigger." – Nelson Liem Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview00:01:10 – Growing Up Calgary: Family, Mahjong & a Connector's Instinct00:07:37 – From Actuary Dreams to Disney World00:09:47 – Corporate Burnout & the Pull Toward Entrepreneurship00:12:21 – Discovering the Barter Industry & Building Exmerce From Scratch00:27:21 – Sponsor Ad Break00:30:31 – Scaling to 500+ Members: How Barter Actually Works00:51:20 – On Entrepreneurship: Sacrifice, Mental Toughness & Building Community00:58:41 – Outro & Call to Action Connect with Nelson:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonliem/Website: https://exmerce.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/nelsonckliem/   Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca  Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com  Airways Krown: www.krown.com Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressedby the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  6. 15 Jun

    177 - Ryan Townend - Owner & Founder of William Joseph Agency

    Between Two Dots PodcastEpisode 177 – Ryan TownendRyan Townend is the owner and driving force behind WilliamJoseph (WJ), a full-service marketing and branding agency serving clients locally, nationally, and globally. But his story doesn't start in a boardroom — it starts on a grain farm outside Wadena, Saskatchewan, population 2,000.Raised as an only child with a farmer's work ethic and a hunger to do more, Ryan found his calling not through a grand plan, but through a chemistry professor who told him he should go into marketing. That single moment of redirection set the course for everything that followed. What sets Ryan apart isn't just strategy —it's his belief that great marketing is 75% psychology and 25% execution. From getting laid off at 27 and incorporating a new agency by Monday, to rebuilding and rebranding after his co-founder's departure, Ryan's journey is a masterclass in resilience, reinvention, and showing up fully — every singletime. Between two dots – “Really, the value is inthat line: the journey.”   "When you take your God-given talent and you harness that with education, you have passion and you're built for this — and you can just soar." – Ryan Townend   Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview 00:01:31 – Growing Up on a Saskatchewan Farm 00:04:39 – A Broken Leg, a Turning Point & Academic Transformation 00:06:27 – From Pre-Med to Marketing: The Pivot ThatChanged Everything 00:12:44 – Early Career, Mentorship & Moving to Calgary 00:15:14 – Getting Let Go & Founding William Joseph 00:21:04 – The Agency Philosophy: Triage, Strategy &Helping Companies Grow 00:22:01 – Sponsor Ad Break 00:28:19 – 23 Years of Evolution: Oil & Gas, Expansion& Buying Out a Partner 00:33:18 – Personal Branding, Bold Investments & ROI inMarketing 00:41:05 – AI, Adaptation & What's Next for WilliamJoseph 00:44:21 – Ryan's Roundup: Building Community One Thursday at a Time 00:53:51 – Outro & Call to Action   Connect with Diamond:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/advertisingguy/?hl=enLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-townend-3aba7666/Website: https://www.williamjoseph.com/en/home   Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca  Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com  Airways Krown: www.krown.com   Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressedby the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  7. 8 Jun

    176 - Diamond Fernandes - Founder of Heart Fit Clinic

    Between Two Dots PodcastEpisode 176 – Diamond FernandesDiamond Fernandes is the founder of Heart Fit Clinic, a cardiac rehabilitation physiologist, and a published author with a mission that is deeply personal. After his father suffered a heart attack at just 38 years old, Diamond made it his life's work to help people prevent and reverse cardiovascular disease. What started as a vision born from a gap in the healthcare system became Heart Fit Clinic, which he launched in 2007 — and has since grown to five locations across Canada. Today, Diamond is one of Calgary's most recognized voices in heart health, regularly heard on Fan 960, and the author of two books including his most recent, Death of the Stress Test. Through his clinics, his writing, and his growing presence in AI-driven health solutions, Diamond continues to bridge the gap between reactive medicine and true cardiovascular prevention. Between two dots – “Really, the value is in that line: the journey.”"There's no such thing as overnight success — enjoy the process. Those baby steps all of a sudden get you a mile high." – Diamond FernandesEpisode Highlights:00:00:00 – Introduction & Guest Overview00:01:05 – Early Life: From London to Calgary00:08:45 – Education, Resilience & the Value of Stepping Stones00:15:40 – Career Pivot: From Sports Medicine to Cardiac Health00:18:45 – Founding Heart Fit Clinic & Early Entrepreneurial Struggles00:26:18 – Sponsor Ad Break00:28:34 – Fuel Tank Mentality, Purpose & Personal Heart Surgery00:34:45 – What Heart Fit Clinic Does & Who It Serves00:44:18 – Business Growth, Mindset Shifts & Building the Person Behind the Vision00:55:03 – Outro & Call to ActionConnect with Diamond:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diamondheartguy/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/diamond-fernandes-6b9b6b18/ Website: https://heartfitclinic.comSponsors of this episode:Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com Airways Krown: www.krown.com Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

  8. 1 Jun

    175 - David Bradshaw - Co-Founder Bradshaw Bolton & Independent Consultant

    Between Two Dots Podcast Episode 175 – David Bradshaw   David Bradshaw is a seasoned executive leader,customer experience expert, and the co-founder of a boutique advisory firm focused on helping organizations deliver consistent, high-quality service. With over 25 years of experience across financial services, telecommunications, and operations, David has led large-scale transformations and helped build award-winning teams recognized globally for excellence in customer experience. Today, David continues to help businesses create meaningful, human-centered customer experiences through his work, emphasizing consistency, empathy, and putting the customerfirst. His perspective is a powerful reminder that success is built on mindset, discipline, and the ability to stay positive through adversity. Between two dots – “Really, the value is in that line: the journey.” “Don’t make the customer figure out how to work with you—figure out how to work with them.” – David Bradshaw   Episode Highlights: 00:00:00 - Introduction & Guest Overview 00:01:17 - Early Beginnings: Growing up in London 00:08:04 - Role Models & Early Career Lessons 00:24:06 - Learning Resiliency & Confidence through Sales 00:35:57 - Sponsor Ad Break 00:38:12 - Corporate Growth, Representation, & Xerox 01:01:06 - The Calgary Black Chambers & Paying It Forward 01:10:46 - Customer Experience & Bradshaw Bolton Consulting 01:14:15 - Outro & Call to Action   Connect with David:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-bradshaw   Sponsors of this episode: Bloom Benefits Group: www.bloombenefits.ca  Zelos Investment Counsel: www.zelosglobal.com  Airways Krown: www.krown.com   Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and the guests do not necessarily reflect any agency, organization, or affiliated companies.

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The title "Between Two Dots" is meant to describe the time between when we are born and when we perish. Our hope is to share insights and learnings from our guests, who we are inspired by and who are living life on their terms - with purpose and impact as their North Star. Hosted by Hafiz Mitha and Gilbert Bong.