Out and Back

Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

  1. 2 HR AGO

    #29 Phil Sesemann - London Marathon Training, Linking up with Alex Yee and Emile Cairess, Achieving the Olympic Dream + a NYC Half Marathon Debrief from Jacob and Rory

    In this two-part episode, Rory and Jacob recap the NYC United Airlines Half Marathon, breaking down their race performances, key takeaways, and how it impacts their build toward the Boston Marathon. Then, we’re joined by elite British marathoner and Olympian Dr. Phil Sesemann. Phil has already run 2:07 twice in 2025 and is aiming for a top 10 finish at the London Marathon for the 4th time in his career. In this conversation, we dive into elite marathon training, periodization, race strategy, and what it takes to perform at the highest level of the sport. Phil shares insights on marathon preparation, pacing tactics, and how he balances professional running with family life. We also go behind the scenes of training with some of the best athletes in the world, including Olympic gold medalist Alex Yee and 2:06 marathoner Emile Cairess, who finished 4th at the Olympic Marathon. If you’re interested in marathon training, Boston Marathon prep, elite running insights, or learning how the pros approach race day, this episode is packed with value. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st!  Check out our podcast sponsor CURE here:⁠curehydration.com/OUTANDBACK⁠

    1h 21m

  2. 15 MAR

    #28 Conner Mantz - Lessons from Injury, Boston Build, Training Insights

    Conner’s Strava Conner Mantz Shokz Documentary Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thank you to ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ for supporting this weeks episode. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on April 1st! Today we are joined by American Record Holder Conner Mantz. We talk about the lessons he has learned from the biggest injury in his career, his Boston build up so far, and about his teammates and training environment with coaching legend Ed Eyestone in Provo, UT.

    1h 4m

  3. 8 MAR

    #27 Between Reps - Ethan Shuley's Training Deep Dive, Grant Fisher’s Half Debut, USATF Half Marathon Disaster, Boston Marathon Training Updates

    Join our newsletter - We'll send your the PDF. ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Website SandyBoy Productions The Marathon Project Discount Code: outandback Cure Hydration: curehydration.com/OUTANDBACK

    1h 18m

  4. 1 MAR

    #26 Dakotah Popehn - Boston Marathon, Minnesota Distance Elite, Overdistance Long Runs

    Check out our links below! In this episode, pro marathoner Dakotah discusses her training strategies, altitude training in Utah, race tactics for Heart Break Hill, and insights into the Boston Marathon course. She shares practical tips for marathon preparation and the importance of mental resilience in marathon training. We also talk about her coach, Chris Lundstrom, his training philosophy, and what he has been able to do with the MN Distance Elite Team, even without a corporate sponsor. Dakotah's Strava ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Website SandyBoy Productions

    51 min

  5. 22 FEB

    #25 Jess Tonn McClain - Boston Marathon, Marathon Fueling, Bicarb for Long Races, Keeping Training Fun, Lower Mileage Approach to the Marathon

    Today we sit down with Jess Tonn McClain who was the top American at the 2025 Boston Marathon, 8th place at the 2025 World Championships Marathon, 4th place at the 2024 Olympic Trials Marathon. She will be on the start line with Jacob & Rory at the 2026 Boston Marathon as well. We chat about her Boston Marathon specific training, about stepping away from pro running, and then finding her groove in the marathon post covid. She shares how she enjoys life outside of training and keeps professional running fun. ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Website SandyBoy Productions

    50 min

  6. 14 FEB

    #24 Between Reps - Pacing the AR attempt, Upcoming races, Marathon Myths, Does the treadmill count?

    If you enjoy this podcast - please give us a follow and leave a review - It helps the show a ton! Check out our links below. In this episode of the Out and Back Podcast, Jacob and Rory discuss their current training experiences, including Jacob's time in Barcelona where he is pacing for an American record attempt, while Rory races the Mesa Half Marathon. They also share insights from their recent podcast with Brady Homer, updates on upcoming races, and the importance of joining Sandy Boy Productions. The conversation touches on marathon myths, the effectiveness of treadmill workouts, and how to manage health and illness during training. They wrap up with a discussion on listener engagement and future guests. Need a coach? Check out our links below: ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Website SandyBoy Productions

    1h 4m

  7. 8 FEB

    #23 Brady Holmer - What really matters when it comes to sleep, caffeine, ketones, lactate training

    Check out our links below! We welcomed back our first-ever returning guest, Brady Holmer, for a wide-ranging conversation on performance, recovery, and the details that actually move the needle. We cover everything from Diet Coke and caffeine’s role in performance to what truly matters for sleep and recovery—including optimal sleep routines, practical sleep hygiene tips, and simple adjustments athletes can make right away. Brady breaks down key recovery and readiness metrics like HRV, respiratory rate, and resting heart rate, and how to interpret them in real training contexts. We also dive into lactate clearance, training adaptations, and supplement strategies, including when (and when not) to use ketones, sodium bicarbonate, and Nomio. Throughout the episode, we focus on science-backed, practical approaches to optimizing endurance performance without overcomplicating the process. If you’re interested in training smarter, recovering better, and understanding the “why” behind the data, this one’s for you. Brady's X ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Website

    1h 18m

  8. 1 FEB

    #22 - Mailbag, Boston Marathon Fields, Training Updates

    Please give the podcast a follow, a 5 star review, and share with a friend with you enjoyed today's episde. Today Rory and Jacob break down the Boston Marathon elite fields, give an update on their training, and answer some loyal listener questions. ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Rory’s Youtube⁠  Jacob’s Website

    48 min
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About

Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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  • Creator
    Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    29
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
  • Show Website
    Out and Back

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