Careful Thinking

Martin Robb

At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully? Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care. If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com. And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.

  1. Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou

    2 MAR

    Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou

    What can care ethics contribute to a better understanding of death, dying, and end-of-life care? What would a relational approach to assisted dying look like? And how should care be incorporated into public policy by local and national governments? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with Iris Parra Jounou. Iris is a researcher in care ethics and political philosophy, specialising in end-of-life care. She is an assistant professor in philosophy at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, in Catalonia, Spain, where she was awarded a PhD in 2025 for her thesis entitled ‘Dying in the Relaissance: End-of-Life Practices in a Caring Democracy’. Iris previously studied for bachelor’s degrees in both nursing and humanities, and for a Masters degree in contemporary thought and classical tradition. She is also a published poet and a musician. Iris has published a number of journal articles and book chapters on end-of-life care and assisted dying, and she also has the distinction of having translated key works by the leading American care ethicist Joan Tronto into Catalan. She a contributed a chapter on ‘a care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal anomalies’ in the recently-published edited collection Care Aesthetics and the Arts. Iris has edited a new volume on Care Ethics and Public Health, which has been published, in the Peeters Ethics of Care series, since we recorded the episode. We discuss the following topics in this episode: Iris' personal and professional journey to studying the philosophy of care (02:35) Witnessing death and developing an interest in end-of-life care (06:24) Iris' introduction to feminist care ethics (10:55) How Iris came to interview Joan Tronto and translate her books into Catalan (16:22) A brief cultural history of death and dying (19:57) Towards 'an expressive-collaborative model of mortality' using care ethics (24:42) 'Dying in the relaissance' (27:46) A relational approach to assisted dying (30:30) The ethical conflicts of implementing medical assistance in dying (34:34) Towards a patient-centred definition of unbearable suffering (39:05) Iris' forthcoming co-edited book on care ethics and public health (44:10) Towards a public ethics of care (47:30) Reflecting on stillbirth, care ethics and care aesthetics through the medium of a literary memoir (50:35) Iris' involvement in poetry and music (57:40) Iris' plans for further research and writing on care (01:01:14) Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode Nell Noddings Virginia Held Carol Gilligan Helen Kohlen Frans Vosman Olena Hankivsky Judith Butler Margaret Urban Walker Erica Borgstrom (see Episode 9) Ruth Levitas Miguel Abensour Sean Riley David Rodríguez-Arias Txetxu Ausín Claudia Gamondi Anna Starobinets Links to Iris' some of academic writings in English 'End-of-Life Narratives of Patients who Request Medical Assistance in Dying: A Qualitative Study Protocol' 'Causes for Conscientious Objection in Medical Aid in Dying: A Scoping Review' 'Care ethics in theory and practice: Joan C. Tronto in conversation with Iris Parra Jounou' 'For, against, and beyond: healthcare professionals’ positions on Medical Assistance in Dying in Spain' '“Suffering Is a Hostage of Healthcare Professionals’ Authority”: Shifting to a Patient-Centered Definition' 'Look at Him: A care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal abnormalities' Iris' translations of works by Joan Tronto Qui se'n cuida? Democràcia i cura Poetry by Iris Oriana Al filo (audiopoem) Iris' research projects INEDyTO POyETICAS You can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.

    1h 5m
  2. A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi

    08/12/2025

    A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi

    What can the ideas of an eighteenth-century feminist thinker contribute to contemporary debates around gender and care? How should law and social policy support caregivers and create a better balance between care, work and family life? Is Catholic feminism a contradiction in terms - and if not, what's distinctive about the perspective that it offers on care? These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with Erika Bachiochi. Erika is an American legal scholar who works at the intersection of constitutional law, political theory, women’s history, and Catholic social teaching. She is a Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center - and Professor of Practice and Director of the Mercy Otis Warren Initiative at the School of Economic Thought and Leadership at Arizona State University, where she also serves as Editor-in-Chief of the online journal, Fairer Disputations. A 2018 visiting scholar at Harvard Law School, Erika is a Senior Fellow at the Abigail Adams Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where she founded the Wollstonecraft Project. Erika received a B.A. from Middlebury College in 1996, an M.A. in theology as a Bradley Fellow from the Institute for the Study of Politics and Religion at Boston College in 1999, and a J.D. from Boston University School of Law in 2002. The mother of seven children, Erika was a co-founder of St. Benedict’s, a Catholic classical school in Massachusetts where she served as President of the Board from 2013-2015. She has published numerous articles in legal and political journals and in publications such as The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic. Erika's book, The Rights of Women: Reclaiming a Lost Vision, which offers a revisionist history of the early women’s rights movement, including a radical reassessment of the work of Mary Wollstonecraft, was published in 2021. We discuss the following topics in this episode: Erika's journey to becoming a legal scholar (03:02) Erika's philosophical, political and spiritual journey (08:33) The rationale for Erika's book The Rights of Women and its focus on Mary Wollstonecraft (17:28) The balance between rights and duties and the emphasis on virtues in Wollstonecraft's thinking (25:56) The lost legacy of first-wave feminism (37:30) Mary Ann Glendon's work on care, families, and social policy (43:35) Erika's critique of feminist care ethics, and her understanding of the distinctive role of fathers in care (49:38) The role of the state in supporting caregiving within families (59:34) A distinctive Catholic feminist position on care (01:03:37) Erika's plans for a sequel to The Rights of Women (01:07:33) Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode: Aristotle Cicero John Locke Mary Wollstonecraft William Godwin Joseph Priestley Richard Price Abigail Adams Lucrecia Mott Jane Addams Susan B. Anthony Sarah Moore Grimké Betty Friedan Ruth Bader Ginsburg Mary Ann Glendon Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) Eva Feder Kittay Dorothy Day Rachel Coleman Kate Phelan Abigail Favale Leah Libresco Sargeant Holly Lawford-Smith Bernie Sanders Articles by Erika Bachiochi cited in the episode 'Embodied equality: debunking equal protection arguments for abortion rights' (2011) 'Embodied caregiving' (2016) 'Dobbs, Equality and the Contested Meanings of Women's Rights' (2023) Other publications mentioned in the episode 'Declaration of Sentiments' (1848) Mulieris dignitatem (1988) Mary Ann Glendon, Rights Talk: The Impoverishment of Political Discourse (1991) Eva Feder Kittay, Love's Labor: Essays on Women, Equality, and Dependency (1999) 'Catholic and Radical Feminism: a dialogue' (Fairer Disputations) (2024) Leah Libresco Sargeant, The Dignity of Dependence: A Feminist Manifesto (2025) Useful links Catholic Social Teaching Catholic Worker Movement New Deal Communitarianism New Democrats World Conference on Women (Beijing, 1995) - and see Mary Ann Glendon's account You can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.

    1h 10m
  3. Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar

    09/11/2025

    Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar

    What can a protest movement organised by Muslim grandmothers in India teach us about the role of care in political action? In what sense should we understand care as performance and everyday caring activities as artful practices? And how might interpersonal care nurture a wider caring imagination and foster a politics of care? These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with Alisha Ibkar. Originally from Kaliachak in West Bengal, India, Alisha has a Bachelor’s degree in English Literature from Aligarh Muslim University in Uttar Pradesh, and a Master of Arts degree, also in English Literature, from Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. She was a Commonwealth Scholar at the University of Warwick, where she completed a Master’s degree in applied theatre, with her dissertation focusing on the study of ethics and the aesthetics of care in the context of political activism. Alisha is currently a School of Arts, Languages and Cultures doctoral fellow in Theatre and Performance at the Martin Harris Centre for Music and Drama in the University of Manchester. Since 2016 she has also held the post of Assistant Professor of English Literature and Language at Aligarh Muslim University. In Manchester, Alisha is associated with The Care Lab, which is partnered with the AHRC-funded Care Aesthetics Research Exploration (CARE) Project, led by Professor James Thompson, who was my guest in Episode 11 of the podcast. Alisha’s academic research places the burgeoning critical theorisations around the ethics and aesthetics of care in dialogue with socio-political protest movements, a context within which the relevance of caretaking is yet to be studied. Her research engages with women-led social movements in India to examine the extent to which care played a principal role, with her understanding of care emerging from Muslim women’s cultural and domestic practices of care. Through her work, Alisha seeks a decolonial reorientation, not only within care theory and scholarship, but also within political performance. Alisha has published articles about her research in The Sociological Review and in Theatre Journal, and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘On the art of Khidmat; political afterlives of Muslim women's everyday practices of care’ to a forthcoming collection on Care Aesthetics and the Arts, edited by Kate Maguire-Rosier, Réka Polonyi andJames Thompson., We discuss the following topics in this episode: Alisha's early life in West Bengal and how it shaped her thinking about care and community (03:26) The importance of education in Alisha's upbringing and her choice of English Literature as a focus for her studies (07:43) The roots of Alisha's interest in theatre and performance (11:53) Alisha's critical engagement with feminist writers on care (14:11) The protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act in India (18:15) The Shaheen Bagh protest and Alisha's relationship to it (21:52) The ethos of care underlying the protest (25:10) The practical care structures at Shaheen Bagh (30:42) Care as performance (33:35) The role of repetition and perpetuation in the performance of care (36:25) Everyday caring activities as artful practices (41:21) Storytelling as an ethical and aesthetic practice (46:21) Interpersonal care nurturing a wider caring imagination (51:34) The implications of Shaheen Bagh for thinking about protest as a form of care (57:18) Shaheen Bagh as 'a template for a caring state' (01:01:30) Alisha's involvement in The Care Lab and the CARE project in Manchester (01:05:40) Some of the writers, thinkers and practitioners mentioned in the episode Lila Abu-Lughod Saba Mahmood Sherine Hafez Maurice Hamington (see Episode 6) Carol Gilligan Joan Tronto Virginia Held Nel Noddings Daniel Engster Kathleen Lynch Ella Myers Bettany Hughes Amina Wadud Amira Mittermaier Heba Raouf Ezzat Hi'ilei Hobart Mia Sosa-Provencio (see Episode 19) Sharankumar Limbale Sarah Munawar (see Episode 13) Réla Polonyi Kate Maguire-Rosier Jenny Harris Elisa Imray Papineau J.L.Austin Daryl Martin Other links Jatra (Bengali folk theatre) The Shaheen Bagh protest 'Land of My Dreams' (film by Nausheen Khan) The Care Collective You can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.

    1h 10m
  4. The ethics of dementia care - with Vince Mitchell

    08/09/2025

    The ethics of dementia care - with Vince Mitchell

    What ethical challenges are presented by caring for people with dementia? How should we understand - and respect - the personhood of those experiencing cognitive decline? And what can virtue ethics and care ethics contribute to the development of an alternative ethical model for dementia care? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with Vince Mitchell. Vince is a Lecturer in Health and Social Care, specialising in mental health, at The Open University (UK). He is a qualified mental health nurse with experience of nursing people in a wide variety of clinical settings. Having graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Health Care Practice and a Master of Arts in Applied Ethics from the University of York, Vince undertook doctoral research at the University of Surrey, where he was awarded a PhD in 2016 for his thesis examining ethical frameworks for dementia care. Since then, he has published a number of articles and book chapters on the ethics of mental health nursing and on ethical practice in dementia care. We discuss the following topics in this episode: Vince's journey into nursing (02:15) Working as a mental health nurse (04:50) Bridging the worlds of philosophy and care practice (07:00) The challenges that dementia presents for care providers (10:40) The inadequacy of existing ethical models (13:15) Some of the key ethical issues in dementia care (15:35) Personhood and autonomy (19:08) The personal identity challenge to advance directives (23:50) Thomas Kitwood's model of person-centred care (30:10) Julian Hughes' Situated Embodied Agent approach (34:13) Personal dignity and human flourishing (36:19) Introducing virtue ethics (39:55) Vulnerability, interdependence and trust (43:05) Care ethics, justice and the socio-political context of dementia care (47:55) An alternative ethical model for dementia care (51:10) Implementing the model in practice (55:35) Vince's plans for future work in care ethics (58:50) A selection of Vince's publications 'Ethics and mental health nursing' (2017) 'Ethical practice in dementia care' (2019) Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode Rebecca Dresser Ronald Dworkin Derek Parfit Thomas Kitwood Julian Hughes Maurice Merleau-Ponty Martin Buber Martha Nussbaum Emmanel Levinas Aristotle Immanuel Kant Elizabeth Anscombe Philippa Foot Alasdair MacIntyre Rosalind Hursthouse Eva Kittay James Thompson Onora O'Neill Carol Gilligan Joan Tronto Virginia Held Michael Slote You can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.

    1h 2m
  5. Communities of care - with Lorraine Krall McCrary

    10/06/2025

    Communities of care - with Lorraine Krall McCrary

    How can we ensure that people with intellectual disabilities participate fully in political life? What lessons can we learn from communities of care in which disabled and non-disabled people live together? And what should be the relationship between local communities of care and wider social and political structures? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Lorraine Krall McCrary. Lorraine is an Associate Professor of Political Science at Wabash College, a liberal arts school in Indiana, and a research associate at St Edmund's College, Cambridge. She has a doctorate in political theory from Georgetown University and previously taught at Washington University in St. Louis and at Villanova University. Lorraine's search brings together disability studies and feminist care ethics, and she also writes about topics in politics and literature, as well as the relationship between the family and politics. Lorraine is currently in the final stages of writing a book based on her most recent research, with the working title Care Communities: Politics in a Different Voice. We discuss the following topics in this episode: Lorraine's work as a political theorist and the roots of her interest in disability issues (02:35) Hannah Arendt's theory of 'natality' (05:00) Natality and the politics of birth at Auschwitz (07:36) Bearing witness in dark times (10:45) Lorraine's use of literary sources in her work on disability (12:40) Jane Addams and the politics of human interconnectedness (16:05) Lorraine's research with communities of care at L'Arche, Camphill, and Geel (21:13) Towards a relational understanding of reason (28:58) The idea of community in the political thought of Alexis de Tocqueville (33:00) Jean Vanier and revelations of abuse at L'Arche (36:12) Abuse as 'relational tyranny' (39:12) The notion of subsidiarity in feminist care ethics and Catholic Social Teaching (44:08) The role of the state in relation to communities of care (49:00) Relational caring at a community level as cultivating a wider sense of social solidarity (52:57) Future directions for Lorraine's research (56:20) A selection of Lorraine's publications 'Geel's Family Care Tradition: Care, Communities, and the Social Inclusion of Persons with Disability' (2017) 'Re-Envisioning Independence and Community: Critiques from the Independent Living Movement and L'Arche' (2017) 'Natality and Disability: From Augustine to Arendt and Back' (2018) 'From Hull-House to Herland: Engaged and Extended Care in Jane Addams and Charlotte Perkins Gilman' (2018) 'The Politics of Community: Care and Agency in People with Intellectual Disabilities at L'Arche' (2020) '"A Crooked Cross": Disability and Community in Flannery O'Connor' (2021) 'Bearing Witness to Natality: The Politics of Birth at Auschwitz' (2022) 'Disability and Subsidiarity: Toward Social and Political Inclusion' (with Parker Gamble, 2024) Other publications discussed in the episode Joan Tronto, Caring Democracy: Markets, Equality, and Justice Maurice Hamington, Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Care Ethics Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America and Memoir on Pauperism Paul Elie, The Life You Save May Be Your Own: an American Pilgrimage Some of the thinkers, writers and activists mentioned in the episode Hannah Arendt Alexis de Tocqueville Augustine Thomas Hobbes John Locke Pope Leo XIII John Stuart Mill Jane Addams Alice Hamilton Flannery O'Connor Joan Tronto Daniel Engster Maurice Hamington Sarah Lucas Rudolf Steiner Jean Vanier Other relevant links L'Arche Camphill Geel Catholic Social Teaching For a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack newsletter.

    58 min
  6. Revelations of divine care - with Melody Escobar

    19/05/2025

    Revelations of divine care - with Melody Escobar

    What can we learn about care from the experiences of mothers of children with disabilities? How can the writings of a medieval Christian mystic deepen our understanding of maternal love and care? Can the religious emphasis on kenosis, or self-giving love, be reconciled with a feminist perspective on care? And to what extent does the practice of intimate caregiving lead to a wider concern with equity and social justice? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Melody Escobar. Melody is a postdoctoral research associate at Baylor University, a private Christian University in Waco, Texas, where she is a research scholar for the Baylor Collaborative on Faith and Disability, in the Center for Developmental Disabilities, and where she lectures on religion and disability, eco-justice, and mysticism.  Before completing her doctorate in Christian spirituality at Oblate School of Theology in San Antonio, Melody had a career in corporate communications spanning 18 years. She has served as a Catholic lay minister for more than 10 years in various capacities and she has also worked as a chaplain resident. Melody’s research and publications in Christian spirituality and practical theology focus on families who experience disability, innovative models of ministry, and curricula advancing inclusion and belonging in academic and spiritual life. Melody is the author of the book Revelations of Divine Care: Disability, Spirituality, and Mutual Flourishing, which was published in 2024 by Baylor University Press, as part of their Studies in Religion, Theology, and Disability series. We discuss the following topics in this episode: Melody's personal, spiritual and academic journey (03:55) Melody's experience as the mother of a child with a disability (06:00) Equine-assisted therapy for children with disabilities (08:02) The influence of the writings of Julian of Norwich on Melody's thinking (10:25) The horse ring as a sacred space of community and belonging (13:55) The importance of hospitality (17:01) Melody's research with mothers of children with disabilities (19:10) The importance of giving voice to mothers' experiences (25:12) The key themes emerging from Melody's research (27:00) Faith, spirituality, and care (29:20) The contested role of kenotic, or self-giving love, in care (32:25) The need for structural and policy reform to support mothers' caregiving (35:23) The vision of maternal love in Julian of Norwich's writings (37:25) Widening the circle of loving care (40:37) The lessons of Melody's research for churches and faith communities (43:35) Developments in disability theology (47:44) Melody's forthcoming book 'Belonging Under The Bridge' (50:07) Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode Julian of Norwich Philip Sheldrake Dorothy Day Henri Nouwen Max van Manen Devan Stahl Links Equine-assisted therapy Catholic Worker Movement Church Under the Bridge For a transcript of this episode, follow this link to the Careful Thinking Substack

    53 min
  7. Creating, knowing, and caring - with Merel Visse

    01/04/2025

    Creating, knowing, and caring - with Merel Visse

    How are the practice of art and the practice of care connected? In what ways might intellectual inquiry be a caring practice? And what part do wonder, poetry and 'unknowing' play in research - and in care? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with Merel Visse. Merel is a scholar, artist, editor and educator. She holds a faculty position in the Caspersen School of Graduate Studies at Drew University in New Jersey in the United States, where she chairs a master’s and doctoral degree program. Merel is also affiliated with the University of Humanistic Studies in the Netherlands, Care Ethics Chair. She serves on several editorial boards in the U.S.A. and was an artist in residence at the New York School of Visual Arts, and in 2018 at the NARS Foundation in Brooklyn. In the Netherlands, Merel co-founded the Meaningful Artistic Research Program, a collaboration between the University of Humanistic Studies and HKU University of the Arts, and with Elena Cologni at Anglia Ruskin University in the UK, she co-leads the Art and Care Platform Series. Merel is the author of numerous journal articles and book chapters on art, care ethics, and research methodology. She’s the Visual Art Section Editor at the International Journal of Education and the Arts, for which she and Elena Cologni recently co-edited a special issue on ‘Art for the Sake of Care’. In April, she will start serving as the co-editor of Visual Arts Research (VAR), a publication from the University of Illinois Press. In 2018, Merel co-edited the book Evaluation for a Caring Society, and in 2021 she co-authored the book A Paradigm of Care with Bob Stake. Merel and Bob recently submitted their manuscript for a mini-book on Researching Care with Case Studies to Routledge. Merel is currently focusing on the manuscript for Precarious Knowing, a project that recently expanded to include members of the 'Enduring' research group, and is set to be published by Springer. We discuss the following topics in this episode: The roots of Merel's interest and involvement in art and care (03:48) The 'Precarious Knowing' project (11:32) Merel's practice as an artist (11:50) The Meaningful Artistic Research Program (16:03) The Art and Care Platform Series (18:59) Special issue on 'Art for the Sake of Care' (20:45) Relational autoethnography as a commitment to care (26:35) Evaluation as a caring practice (30:23) The role of wonder, 'unknowing' and the poetic in research and care (33: 52) An 'aesthetic-apophatic' approach to qualitative inquiry (46:05) The hospital bed as a landscape for materialised care (51:03) Merel's forthcoming book on 'Precarious Knowing' (53:54) Merel's collaboration with Bob Stake on 'A Paradigm of Care' and the forthcoming book 'Researching Care with Case Studies' (57:12) A selection of Merel's journal articles 'Autoethnography as a praxis of care - the promises and pitfalls of autoethnography as a commitment to care' (with Alistair Niemeijer) 'Apophatic Inquiry: Living the Questions Themselves' (with Finn Thorbjørn Hansen and Carlo Leget) 'Sometimes, Indirect is More Direct. An Aesthetic-Apophatic Phenomenological Approach to Self-Reflexivity in Qualitative Inquiry' 'Art for the Sake of Care: Editorial Introduction' (with Elena Cologni) Other publications referred to in the episode François Jullien, Detour and Access: Strategies of Meaning in China and Greece François Jullien, The Silent Transformations Finn Thorbjørn Hansen, Solveig Botnen Eide, and Carlo Leget (eds.) Wonder, Silence and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare Matilda Carter (ed.)The Bloomsbury Handbook of Care Ethics Some of the writers, scholars and thinkers mentioned in the episode Hans-Georg Gadamer Joan Tronto Maurice Hamington (see Episode 6) Inge van Nistelrooij (see Episode 17) Carlo Leget (see Episode 8) Finn Thorbjørn Hansen Louis van den Hengel Jake Smit Jamieson Webster Nirav Christophe Marloeke van der Vlugt Simona Kicurovska Andries Hiskes Elena Cologni Christine Leroy (see Episode 7) James Thompson (see Episode 11) Liora Bresler Alistair Niemeijer a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_K._Denzin" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

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At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully? Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care. If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com. And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.

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