Just Access: The Real Transition is a 10-part podcast series from PARI (the Public Affairs Research Institute) exploring what a truly just transition means for South Africa - not only in energy policy, but in access to land, water, power, decision-making and economic opportunity. Episode 5 turns to the state itself and asks what happens when the institutions meant to lead the transition are uncertain, constrained, or internally conflicted. Following the restructuring of the former Department of Mineral Resources and Energy into two departments, government now sits at the centre of South Africa’s energy transition. Yet despite this shift, there is still no clear, coherent position on what a “just transition” should look like in practice. Policy signals are often contradictory, public engagement remains limited, and key responsibilities, from mine rehabilitation to community transition planning, are unevenly fulfilled. In this episode, Tasneem Essop speaks with PARI researchers Dr Thokozani Chilenga-Butao and Waseem Holland, who unpack the institutional and political dynamics shaping the transition. Their research reveals a state grappling with competing mandates: expected to regulate extraction, protect the environment, support communities, and drive transformation, often all at once. At the heart of this tension is South Africa’s minerals-energy complex, a system that has historically tied the state, the economy, and energy production together. Coal remains deeply embedded in local economies and livelihoods, while also symbolising empowerment and economic inclusion for many. At the same time, renewable energy is often perceived as dominated by external or elite interests. This creates a complex political landscape where transition is not only technical, but deeply contested. The episode also explores what researchers describe as “institutional stickiness” - the difficulty of shifting entrenched systems, roles, and ways of working. Years of restructuring, capacity loss, policy uncertainty, and resource constraints have left departments struggling to respond at the pace required. The result is a form of policy inertia, where responsibility is diffuse, accountability is blurred, and leadership is often perceived as absent. On the ground, this uncertainty is felt most acutely in coal-dependent communities, where people are navigating profound economic and social change with limited guidance or support. In many cases, mining companies continue to play roles that the state has not fully occupied, reinforcing patterns of dependence and mistrust. Yet the episode also points to emerging forms of transition from below where communities, activists and local initiatives are beginning to experiment with alternative, more inclusive models of energy and development. Episode 5 makes a clear argument: the just transition cannot be delivered by fragmented institutions or unclear mandates. It requires a capable, coordinated state and a shift from managing competing interests to actively shaping a shared future. Subscribe to follow the full series, and to learn more about PARI and their research, visit www.pari.org.za .