The Next Move

John Paton - @johngetstrong

Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

  1. Hyrox Requires Incredible Aerobic Capacity! Chris Bayens - Coach to Elite 15 Athletes (#25)

    2 HR AGO

    Hyrox Requires Incredible Aerobic Capacity! Chris Bayens - Coach to Elite 15 Athletes (#25)

    Chris Baynes is one of the most respected coaches in the Hyrox space, working with elite athletes including Josh Van Zeeland and Cole Learn. In this episode, we unpack his training philosophy: why Hyrox is fundamentally an endurance event, the difference between maximal strength and strength endurance, and how heart rate and HRV guide his programming. We explore training density, injury prevention, treadmill and StairMaster work, and what athletes get wrong when chasing volume. Episode breakdown: 00:00 — Meet coach Chris Baynes & what to expect 00:35 — “Treat Hyrox like endurance”: aerobic engine first 01:52 — Strength in Hyrox: “strong enough” vs strength endurance 04:17 — Quick primer: aerobic vs anaerobic energy (and why it matters) 07:55 — Max strength: develop vs maintain, and how little you need 12:46 — Building the week: 2–3 quality days, batching intensity 15:25 — Quality Day Session 1: threshold run + race-specific intervals + wall balls 21:13 — Training density: why Hyrox volume can’t mimic triathlon volume 26:00 — Why treadmill work: control, safety, reducing injury risk 28:29 — Heart-rate obsession: intensity control + readiness-based training 30:46 — Morpheus & HRV: adjusting training and zones to recovery 41:31 — Life stress and recovery: adapting the plan, not the person 44:14 — Quality Day Session 2: strength maintenance + machine-based strength endurance 50:00 — Easy days: Zone 2/3 builds with stations mixed in 55:42 — The StairMaster: why it’s a staple (and how much they do) 58:25 — Benchmarking: less testing, more steady progression + race data 1:01:23 — Coach curiosity: movement standards, judging, and “faster racing” 1:05:12 — Where to find Chris This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    1h 6m
  2. Stair Stepper + Weight Vest: Dom Sheppard’s Low-Impact Build Back to a Sub-60 Hyrox (#24)

    1 DAY AGO

    Stair Stepper + Weight Vest: Dom Sheppard’s Low-Impact Build Back to a Sub-60 Hyrox (#24)

    Dom Sheppard is one of Australia’s fastest Hyrox athletes, clocking a 57-minute Open and a 53:56 Pro Doubles — all while working a demanding 9–5. In this episode, we explore what it really takes to train at the top level, the lessons from a humbling World Champs experience, and how smarter recovery-driven training is shaping his comeback. Episode breakdown: 00:00 – Who is Dom Shepard, and how fast can you go while working 9–5? 00:33 – How much training does it really take to chase a Hyrox podium? 02:11 – What goals survive when injuries disrupt your season? 04:05 – How did Dom win his very first Hyrox back in 2023? 05:53 – What level of running fitness actually translates to Hyrox success? 07:32 – Did HIIT + running accidentally build a competitive engine? 08:21 – Can group classes and altitude training prepare you for Hyrox? 10:15 – What did Nice 2024 reveal about Dom’s biggest weaknesses? 12:45 – Which lessons truly change performance from Open to Pro? 15:30 – What does a comeback race teach you after eight months out? 16:01 – How did Dom’s training evolve under coach Chris Bayens? 18:56 – Can HRV-guided training (Morpheus) unlock smarter gains? 23:15 – Why might the stair stepper be a Hyrox secret weapon? 27:56 – Can ditching music build real mental toughness? 30:28 – What do you learn about Hyrox by judging athletes? 33:44 – How do everyday athletes find belonging through Hyrox? 35:52 – What time could Dom hit once he’s fully fit? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    37 min
  3. Cycling Is the Best Form of Cross-Training! Why Top HYROX Athletes Spend Hours on The Bike: Dan Plews (#23)

    4 DAYS AGO

    Cycling Is the Best Form of Cross-Training! Why Top HYROX Athletes Spend Hours on The Bike: Dan Plews (#23)

    Elite HYROX athletes are cycling more to boost aerobic fitness with less muscle damage and lower injury risk. Dr. Dan Plews breaks down indoor vs outdoor riding, power/FTP testing, and what “good” watts-per-kilo looks like. Plus: how to program cycling for 6–8 vs 15+ training hours/week—and how it stacks up against the StairMaster. Send us your Hyrox training questions 👇 https://www.instagram.com/theplews/ https://www.instagram.com/johngetstrong/ Try Dan’s Hyrox Training System with 7-Days Free 👉 Endurox Episode breakdown: 00:00 Why High Rocks Athletes Are Cycling More 00:27 Indoor vs Outdoor Cycling Differences 00:47 Is Indoor Cycling Harder Than Outdoor? 01:20 Hierarchy of Training Needs Explained 02:34 Cycling for Volume, Frequency & Low Injury Risk 03:20 Why Running Causes More Muscle Damage 04:30 Aerobic Benefits Without Excess Fatigue 05:00 Why Intensity Regulation Matters 06:23 LT1 vs LT2 Thresholds Explained 06:49 Why Cyclists Train Using Power (Watts) 07:21 Key Cycling Performance Metrics 07:42 FTP & Threshold Testing Explained 09:06 Ramp Test vs 20-Minute FTP Test 10:35 Interpreting FTP Numbers 11:12 What’s “Good” Cycling Power? 12:47 Watts per Kilo & High Rocks Performance 14:02 How Fast Does Cycling Fitness Improve? 14:54 The Value of Long Bike Rides 15:53 Strength Endurance & Low Cadence Work 16:30 Choosing a Bike for Training 17:06 Benefits of Smart Bikes & ERG Mode 18:52 Outdoor Bike Options (Road vs Gravel vs MTB) 19:22 Fat Oxidation & Performance Myths 20:54 Programming Cycling for Different Training Volumes 23:53 Cycling vs Stairmaster for Cross-Training 25:14 Eccentric vs Concentric Muscle Load 26:32 Weighted Vest Stairmaster Training 27:02 The #1 Performance Driver: Consistency This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    27 min
  4. What Will It Take for HYROX to Become an Olympic Sport? Dr. Adam Storey (#22)

    6 DAYS AGO

    What Will It Take for HYROX to Become an Olympic Sport? Dr. Adam Storey (#22)

    Dr. Adam Storey is a world-class coach, researcher, and HYROX competitor. In this episode, Adam shares lessons from Olympic weightlifting, explains how strength and endurance truly interact, and reveals what hybrid athletes often misunderstand about training and recovery. Connect With Adam: https://www.instagram.com/dr.adam.storey/ https://www.endurox.co/ Episode breakdown: 00:00 — Who is Dr. Adam Storey and what can Olympic coaching teach HYROX athletes? 00:32 — What would it take for HYROX to become an Olympic sport? 03:14 — How did Adam’s journey from weightlifting shape his coaching philosophy? 05:29 — Can extreme training change gene expression and recovery capacity? 08:52 — How important is max strength vs strength endurance in HYROX? 11:41 — Does increasing 1RM automatically improve race performance? 13:34 — What role do muscle fiber types play in HYROX success? 16:21 — How should strength- vs endurance-dominant athletes train differently? 17:56 — What limitations did Adam discover in his own HYROX races? 19:33 — Why does proper periodization matter more than “random hard workouts”? 21:33 — How should you structure a year-long HYROX build? 26:15 — Can we identify an athlete’s single biggest performance limiter? 29:35 — Which metrics matter most for elite HYROX potential? 32:05 — Will HYROX body types converge as the sport matures? 36:32 — Is too much Zone 3 training quietly hurting performance? 38:21 — Do circuits interfere with strength and endurance adaptations? 41:11 — Where can athletes and coaches learn HYROX-specific science? 42:52 — What’s on the cutting edge of HYROX research and training? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    44 min
  5. Protein Helps… But Only If You’re Sending the Right Muscle Signal – Sam Jezak on Senescent Cells, Protein Myths & Longevity (#21)

    11 FEB

    Protein Helps… But Only If You’re Sending the Right Muscle Signal – Sam Jezak on Senescent Cells, Protein Myths & Longevity (#21)

    Samantha Jezak is a biomolecular nutrition researcher completing her PhD at Tufts University, where she studies how diet influences aging at the cellular level. On this episode, we explore the science of longevity through the lens of senescent “zombie” cells, inflammation, and the powerful interaction between nutrition and exercise. We break down protein hype, keto and carb-loading myths, and why whole foods and micronutrient diversity matter more than extreme diet trends. Samantha also shares her evidence-based perspective on fasting for women, explains the critical role of estrogen in long-term health, and dives into the emerging science of ovarian aging and menopause. Along the way, we discuss how to evaluate nutrition information in a world of social media noise and what the future of “food as medicine” could mean for extending healthspan. Episode breakdown: 00:00 — Welcome + what Sam studies 00:39 — Senescent cells (hallmark of aging) + nutrition angle 01:55 — Why she chose nutrition + longevity 03:28 — Longevity inputs: genes, exercise, diet, social connection, stress 06:48 — Common misunderstanding: protein hype without training context 09:16 — Keto/low-carb: who it can help + “listen to your body” 11:07 — What a “good diet” means: whole foods + variety 12:36 — Feeling fine vs hidden risk + early markers 14:43 — Nutrient pathways example: niacin → NAD + why restriction can backfire 17:47 — Key micronutrients: vitamin D + magnesium (and creatine) 19:05 — Why supplements aren’t the default: food synergy + absorption 20:33 — Endurance vs strength for longevity 22:39 — High-carb fueling + carb-loading misconceptions 24:23 — Career next steps: postdoc + ovarian aging 26:14 — Fasting for women: autophagy, cortisol, and evidence 30:07 — How to judge nutrition info quality 33:14 — Ovarian aging: follicles, menopause, and the “why” question 35:32 — Estrogen drop: whole-body impacts + HRT reframing 36:59 — Perimenopause: timeline + what women can do now 41:25 — Advice for young scientists 43:12 — The future: AI, robotics, and “food as medicine” 44:39 — Wrap-up This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    45 min
  6. Hyrox Training is a Dose Relationship! Priority #1: Build Your Weekly Hours! (Hyrox Coaching Corner #1 - Dan Plews)

    8 FEB

    Hyrox Training is a Dose Relationship! Priority #1: Build Your Weekly Hours! (Hyrox Coaching Corner #1 - Dan Plews)

    Dan Plews joins The Next Move podcast for a new Hyrox Coaching Corner series. In this episode, we break down Dan’s endurance and Hyrox background, recap racing in hot conditions at Auckland Hyrox, and explain how pacing, heat management, and station intensity impact performance. We also discuss why many athletes struggle in singles compared to doubles and how building weekly training volume is the biggest lever for long-term improvement. Send us your Hyrox training questions 👇 https://www.instagram.com/theplews/ https://www.instagram.com/johngetstrong/ Try Dan’s Hyrox Training System with 7-Days Free 👉 Endurox Episode breakdown: 00:00 — Hyrox Coaching Corner begins: purpose and goals of the series 02:20 — Dan Plews’ athletic background: from youth triathlon to Kona 06:40 — Training volume & consistency: what actually built elite endurance 09:30 — John’s training journey: late start, rapid gains, current limitations 13:30 — Setting Hyrox goals: elite marginal gains vs beginner breakthroughs 17:30 — Auckland Hyrox recap: injuries, heat, course difficulty 21:00 — Racing in the heat: pacing, physiology, and avoiding blow-ups 26:00 — Why stations ruin your run: W′ balance and intensity control 30:50 — Singles vs doubles: recovery, thresholds, and performance gaps 35:00 — How Dan plans training: demand-driven, not traditional periodization 39:00 — John’s next steps: building from 6–8 to 12–15 hours per week 41:20 — ENDUROX Dynamic plan: how to train smarter and scale volume safely 43:00 — Wrap-up: goals for the series and where to follow along This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    43 min
  7. Cross-Training Will Increase for HYROX! Why Elite Athletes Are Training More, But Running Less – Dena & Tom Hogan (#19)

    4 FEB

    Cross-Training Will Increase for HYROX! Why Elite Athletes Are Training More, But Running Less – Dena & Tom Hogan (#19)

    Dena and Tom Hogan are two of the most experienced athletes and coaches in HYROX, with over 40 races and five World Championships between them. As founders of Team Hogan, they coach athletes across all levels while continuing to compete at the sharp end of the sport. In this episode, Dena and Tom break down how HYROX training has evolved since 2020, why endurance and efficiency matter more than max strength, and how athletes should think about race weight, cross-training, and longevity. We also explore individualized coaching, smarter ways to train sleds and wall balls, the role of community in long-term motivation, and why enjoyment—not constant PB chasing—is key to staying in the sport. Episode breakdown: 00:00 — How has HYROX training changed from 2020 to 2026, and what were people getting wrong early on? 01:50 — Why did elite athletes start dialing in an “ideal race weight,” and how do you find the sweet spot between muscle and run pace? 03:44 — Should most athletes try to gain/maintain weight for HYROX, and how do you test where your tipping point is? 04:40 — Why might HYROX be more sustainable long-term than Ironman/ultras, and what does that change about training priorities? 05:39 — Is HYROX “mostly endurance,” and why do long hill efforts often beat gym max-strength for real station performance? 07:26 — Do newcomers need an aerobic “base sport” first, or is the right plan entirely dependent on their current background? 10:36 — What questions do you ask a new client to personalize training, and why do “circumstances” matter as much as fitness? 13:58 — What is a “test week,” and how do you use it to set paces, strength targets, and training intent? 15:57 — How do you keep performance high while running very little due to injuries, and where do you “get the stimulus” instead? 18:16 — Will elite training keep shifting toward high-volume, low-impact work (ergs/bikes), and why does it beat more running? 21:06 — How should strength training look for HYROX if max strength isn’t the main limiter? 22:42 — What’s a practical playbook to improve sleds, and why do hills + varied sled loading matter more than “race weight only”? 25:17 — Why do wall balls break people (mobility + technique), and how should you train them under fatigue instead of fresh? 28:15 — How do you define “efficiency” on stations, and why might being slightly slower but fresher be the winning tactic? 30:27 — What are the best ways to teach efficiency (video, timing, stroke rate, settings), and why is it all trial-and-error? 35:44 — What keeps you motivated to keep competing for years, and how does community (and family) shape that? 41:35 — How do you enjoy the sport more—especially if you’re always chasing PBs or comparing yourself to others? 48:34 — What advice would you give to someone who wants to build a coaching career in HYROX without becoming “generic”? 53:11 — What training trends are you watching in early 2026 (volume pullbacks, coach changes), and will more elite runners enter HYROX? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    56 min
  8. “Stress Is One of the Biggest Issues We’ve Got”: How Stress Undermines Health and Training — Dr. Richard MacKenzie (#18)

    26 JAN

    “Stress Is One of the Biggest Issues We’ve Got”: How Stress Undermines Health and Training — Dr. Richard MacKenzie (#18)

    Dr. Richard MacKenzie is an associate professor specializing in human metabolism and a clinician working at the intersection of exercise physiology, metabolic health, and stress. He is the author of Stress Tested: How The New Science of Stress Hormones Can Transform Your Health. In this episode, Richard unpacks what stress actually is from a physiological perspective, how acute and chronic stress differ, and why chronic stress can quietly undermine insulin sensitivity, recovery, sleep, and training adaptations. We also explore how stress shows up in metrics like heart rate variability, glucose variability, and fuel metabolism, why mindset and perception dramatically alter stress responses, and how exercise, nutrition, caffeine, sleep, and even cold exposure can either buffer or amplify stress. Episode breakdown: 00:00 – Who is Dr. Richard MacKenzie? 00:16 – Why write Stress Tested now? 02:23 – What is stress? 04:28 – When does stress turn from helpful to harmful? 04:52 – How does chronic stress show up day to day? 06:15 – Can stress actually be measured? 07:41 – What does a personal “stress dashboard” look like? 09:59 – How changeable is stress with mindset? 13:59 – Does exercise reduce stress—or add to it? 15:29 – Is stress one of our biggest health threats? 19:56 – What hidden stressors are we missing? 26:06 – Can diet increase—or reduce—stress? 36:04 – What has stress research changed for Richard? 41:05 – What’s next: protein, metabolism, and future research? This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com

    42 min

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Endurance, strength, and long-term health in all its forms. The Next Move features conversations with athletes, coaches, scientists, and thinkers exploring how to train, think, and live better. By John Paton - @johngetstrong johngetstrong.substack.com

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