Travel Tech Podcast

Airside Labs

The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role

  1. 4 DAYS AGO

    The 5-Minute Build That Breaks Traditional Travel Tech

    For decades, building a travel business meant stitching together fragmented supply: GDS systems, hotel APIs, pricing layers, and fulfillment infrastructure. It was complex, expensive, and slow to scale. Now, that’s changing fast. With the rise of AI agents and MCP-powered infrastructure, what once took years of engineering can now be deployed in minutes—fundamentally shifting who can participate in the travel ecosystem, and how distribution works. Mike Putman, CEO and Founder of Custom Travel Solutions, has been at the center of this evolution—from launching one of the earliest online travel agencies in the mid-90s to building the infrastructure powering modern AI-driven booking systems. This episode explores how travel distribution is being rebuilt, why agents—not brands—may control the customer relationship, and what it means when any company can become a travel seller overnight. What You’ll Learn Building a travel booking engine has gone from multi-year projects to minutes with AI agentsThe real complexity in travel isn’t search—it’s data normalization, deduplication, and pricing logicAgentic AI shifts power away from brands toward personalized user-controlled experiencesLoyalty programs may weaken as agents optimize for outcomes, not brand preferenceThe “last mile” problems—like booking failures at hotels—still cost the industry ~2% of transactionsAI can now solve operational gaps (like reconfirmation) that were previously too expensive to fix with humansTravel distribution is becoming infrastructure-first, where aggregation layers power entire ecosystemsIn the future, agents may transact directly with other agents, reshaping how commerce worksTime-Stamped Highlights (01:03) Early Days of Online Travel (01:55) Evolution of Travel Technology (03:11) Launch of 11th Hour Vacations (04:10) Gaining First Customers (06:03) Pre-Google Search Engines (07:02) Partnership with Lastminute.com (09:18) Amadeus Acquisition and OneTravel (10:19) How Custom Travel Solutions Works (14:34) Lessons from Previous Ventures (16:20) Scaling Challenges (18:23) AI in Travel Industry (32:39) Future of Agentic AI in Travel Guest Mike Putman — CEO & Founder, Custom Travel SolutionsMike Putman is a travel industry veteran with over four decades of experience across distribution and technology. He founded one of the earliest online travel agencies in the 1990s and has since worked with major global travel brands. Today, he leads Custom Travel Solutions, building infrastructure that powers modern travel booking, including AI-driven aggregation, agentic APIs, and back-office automation tools. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeputman/Company: https://customtravelsolutions.comRoutestack: Routestack.ai About the Podcast The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ 🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-cases Brought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    35 min
  2. 13 APR

    What’s Actually Stopping Air Taxis From Taking Off

    The US is about to publish rules that let drones fly beyond line of sight routinely — here's what that unlocks. Part 108, the FAA's upcoming rulemaking for beyond visual line of sight (BVLOS) operations, is set to change the economics of commercial drone flight. For the first time, operators will have a clear regulatory path to fly without visual observers — making routine, scalable drone operations commercially viable. Kraettli L. Epperson, Co-Founder and CEO of Vigilant Aerospace, has spent years building the detect-and-avoid systems that make this possible. His focus isn't the drone itself — it's the invisible layer of data, sensors, and safety logic that allows autonomous aircraft to share airspace without introducing unacceptable collision risk. This episode unpacks what Part 108 actually enables, why detect-and-avoid is the gating technology, and what still needs to happen before drones — and eventually air taxis — can operate at scale. What You’ll Learn Detect-and-avoid is the gating factor for scale: Autonomous flight is limited not by hardware, but by the ability to safely manage shared airspace.BVLOS is where real commercial value begins: Moving beyond visual line of sight unlocks scalable use cases, but requires regulatory approval and robust safety systems.Airspace awareness depends on data fusion: Combining multiple data sources—transponders, radar, telemetry—is essential to build a reliable picture of the sky.Non-cooperative aircraft create real risk: Not every aircraft broadcasts its position, requiring fallback systems like radar and acoustic detection.Regulation defines what’s commercially viable: FAA frameworks like Part 107 and upcoming Part 108 directly shape what operators can and cannot do.Routine operations require predictability: Businesses invest when operations become repeatable, not just technically possible.Autonomy is an infrastructure problem: The future of aviation depends on invisible systems coordinating decisions in real time, not just smarter vehicles.Time-Stamped Highlights (03:02) Why Detect-and-Avoid Became the Industry Bottleneck(07:09) From NASA Research to Commercial Safety Systems(09:07) Why Collision Avoidance Is Technically Complex(12:05) Beyond Visual Line of Sight as the Key Unlock(17:09) The Gradual Shift Toward Autonomous Operations(18:59) Real Constraints on Range, Altitude, and Scale(20:21) What Changes When Flying Becomes Routine(24:05) The Challenge of Non-Cooperative Aircraft(28:06) Managing Tradeoffs Between Different Airspace Users(31:08) Where Radar Fits in Drone Safety Systems(39:34) How Air Taxis Fit Into the Same Safety Framework(42:45) What a Fully Integrated Airspace Could Look Like by 2035Guest Kraettli L. Epperson — Co-Founder and CEO, Vigilant AerospaceKraettli L. Epperson is the Co-Founder and CEO of Vigilant Aerospace, a company focused on detect-and-avoid and airspace management systems for drones and advanced air mobility. With a background in software, data systems, and entrepreneurship, he works at the intersection of aviation safety, autonomy, and regulation—helping enable scalable, routine drone operations.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/klepperson/ Company: https://www.linkedin.com/company/vigilantaero/ About the Podcast The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ 🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-cases Brought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    48 min
  3. 6 APR

    The Real Reason One Broken Machine Disrupts an Entire Airport

    Queues move, bags get scanned, and passengers eventually make it through. But beneath that surface is a fragile operational layer held together by fragmented systems, manual workarounds, and frontline teams stitching together processes in real time. Anne Marie Pellerin has seen both sides of that system—designing queue segmentation at TSA that improved throughput, and later discovering that when security systems fail, the response is often disconnected, slow, and opaque. This conversation goes beyond passenger experience into something more fundamental: how airports actually recover when critical systems break—and why solving that requires rethinking how data, workflows, and people are connected on the ground. What You’ll Learn Segmenting passengers reduces stress and improves throughput: Separating travelers by experience level can increase efficiency by lowering stress-induced errors at checkpointsAirport operations still rely on fragmented workflows: Many frontline teams use disconnected systems, emails, and even pen-and-paper to manage critical equipmentDowntime creates cascading operational risk: A single equipment failure can lead to long queues, baggage disruptions, or even flight delaysThe real problem is coordination, not detection: Technology for identifying threats has advanced rapidly, but operational orchestration has lagged behindOrchestration layers unlock system-wide visibility: Connecting frontline staff, maintenance teams, and vendors creates shared context and faster resolutionFrontline workers are the missing link in system design: Most tools are not built for the people actually operating equipment day-to-dayAI depends on unified data, not just models: Without a consolidated dataset across systems, predictive analytics and automation remain limitedAutomated escalation can replace manual processes: AI-driven workflows can route issues directly to the right technician with full context, even via voice callsGovernment and regulated sales cycles require long-term thinking: Success in aviation tech depends on patience, trust, and multi-year relationshipsSecurity operations extend beyond airports: The same operational challenges exist in borders, cruise terminals, data centers, and critical infrastructureTime-Stamped Highlights (00:10) Airport Queues as a Design Problem(02:09) TSA’s Checkpoint of the Future Program(03:13) Passenger Segmentation and the Origins of PreCheck(05:01) U.S. vs. European Airport Security Models(07:03) The Hidden Complexity of Security Equipment Management(09:12) How Equipment Failures Disrupt Airport Operations(10:10) Why Airport Systems Remain Fragmented(11:04) Building an Orchestration Layer for Security Operations(13:01) Toward a Unified Operational Control System(14:17) From Government to Startup: Shifting Perspectives(18:41) Navigating Long Sales Cycles in Aviation(22:26) Expanding Beyond Airports Into Other Industries(24:04) What Actually Happens When Equipment Fails(26:40) AI in Security Operations and Failure Detection(29:26) Automated Calls and Real-Time Escalation With AIGuest AnneMarie Pellerin — CEO & Co-Founder, Curie Technologies; Managing Partner & Founder, LAM LHA Anne Marie Pellerin is a former TSA leader who served as Director of Checkpoint of the Future and spent six years as the agency’s representative in Europe. She worked on programs that informed modern checkpoint design and passenger flow, including concepts that influenced TSA PreCheck. She is now co-founder of Curie Technologies, a platform focused on improving operational coordination and uptime for security equipment.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-marie-pellerin-1007038/ Company: https://www.linkedin.com/company/curie-technologies/ About the Podcast The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ 🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-cases Brought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    35 min
  4. 31 MAR

    Why AI Is Slowing Down Experts Before It Speeds Up Work (Brooker, Painter, Deakin, McKenzie)

    AI adoption inside teams is not following the narrative most people expect. In some cases, the most experienced engineers—the ones expected to benefit the most—are actually getting slower. That friction reveals something deeper. The challenge is not just about tools or capability. It’s about trust, accountability, and how work itself is structured. In high-stakes environments, where someone must sign off and take responsibility, AI doesn’t simply slot in—it fundamentally reshapes how teams operate. This conversation with Alex, Ian, Oli, and Adrian explores what happens when AI moves from experimentation into real production environments, and why the bottlenecks are as much human and organizational as they are technical. What You’ll Learn AI can reduce productivity before improving it: Senior engineers may initially slow down due to context switching and deeply ingrained workflows.Trust is not abstract, it is operational: In regulated or high-risk systems, adoption depends on proof, repeatability, and accountability—not just perceived capability.Accountability remains human even in AI-driven systems: Someone must still sign off on outputs, especially in safety-critical environments.Team roles are shifting from building to assuring systems: The future focus moves from writing code to validating system behavior and outcomes.Junior career paths are being disrupted: Traditional entry-level tasks are increasingly automated, forcing a rethink of how engineers are trained.AI adoption varies dramatically by domain: Safety-critical industries like aviation will adopt far more slowly than consumer or enterprise software.Larger code generation introduces new risks: AI can produce more code faster, but also increases bug rates and cognitive load for reviewers.The real constraint is system-level understanding: Teams must still comprehend architecture and system behavior, even if AI generates the code.Productivity gains follow a J-curve: Teams must go slower first to learn how to work effectively with AI tools. AI is already contributing to real production work: A measurable share of global code commits is now AI-assisted, with rapid growth expected.Time-Stamped Highlights (00:48) Anthropic Future of Work Data and Real Usage Gap (01:10) Theoretical AI Capability vs Actual Adoption (02:28) Why AI Agents Cluster in Certain Domains (03:31) Early Signals of AI Impact on Teams (05:19) Trust and Accountability as the Real Constraint (07:04) Why High-Trust Environments Adopt AI Slower (10:06) Proof vs Trust in AI System Validation (12:06) Shift from Coding to System Assurance (15:03) Disruption of Junior Developer Career Paths (17:03) Rethinking Learning and Skill Development (18:05) Why Senior Engineers Can Get Slower with AI (20:21) Rise of AI-Generated Code in GitHub (21:45) Larger Code Output and Increased Bug Rates (23:04) The J-Curve of AI Productivity (24:46) Human Oversight and AI in Production Systems Guests Ian Painter — Startup Advisor and Mentor. Previously, Vice President, Platform and Data at Cirium; Founder, Snowflake SoftwareIan is a seasoned technology leader in aviation data and analytics. He founded Snowflake Software in 2001, building enterprise data exchange and aviation data platforms that were later acquired by Cirium (RELX plc). As VP of Platform and Data, he oversaw data strategy and large-scale platform initiatives at one of the world’s most trusted aviation analytics companies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianpainter/ Oliver Deakin — Fractional CTO, Advisor and previously Technology Leader at Cirium, Former Snowflake Software CTO, and Senior Engineer at IBMOliver has served in senior technical leadership roles, including as CTO at Snowflake Software during its rise in aviation data solutions. He has deep practical experience with software architecture, developer tooling, and emerging technologies applied to complex domains like travel and real-time data systems.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olideakin/ Adrian McKenzie — Director of Software Engineering at CiriumAdrian leads engineering teams responsible for delivering scalable, mission-critical aviation data and analytics solutions. His background includes progressive leadership in software delivery and architecture at both Snowflake Software and Cirium, with decades of experience in team performance, engineering operations, and large-scale systems.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianmckenzie/ About the Podcast The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ 🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-cases Brought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    22 min
  5. 25 MAR

    How a Simple Barcode Saved Airlines $1.5 Billion and Replaced Paper Tickets

    That quick moment at the gate when you pull up a boarding pass on your phone and scan a QR code feels routine now. It isn’t. That interaction represents one of the most successful global standards ever deployed in aviation—a shift from magnetic stripes to barcodes that saved the industry over $1.5 billion annually. But the real story isn’t the technology. It’s how an entire industry coordinated across competitors, regulators, and infrastructure to make it work. Eric Leopold spent 15 years at IATA working on exactly that kind of industry plumbing. In this episode, Eric Leopold takes us inside the machinery of aviation standards—from boarding passes to APIs to AI—and explains why the next wave of innovation won’t be limited by technology, but by data consistency, trust, identity, and industry alignment. That becomes even more important once the conversation turns to AI. The interesting question is not whether an LLM can help you shop for flights. It is whether the travel industry can build the identity, data consistency, trust networks, and commercial models needed for AI agents to actually transact on your behalf without breaking the system underneath. What You’ll Learn The barcode boarding pass was a standards and adoption challenge, not just a scanning upgrade: Replacing magnetic stripes required industry alignment across airlines, airports, manufacturers, and regulators.IATA standards only work when multiple airlines share the same problem: A standard starts when airlines identify a common need, build support, test the technical approach, and then push for industry adoption.The old airline distribution stack was both brilliant and constrained: Long before the web, airlines had global real-time reservation infrastructure, but it was built on private networks and legacy protocols that later needed modernization.NDC emerged from the need for a common API layer: Airlines had already tested direct API distribution, but agencies would not adapt for one carrier at a time, forcing the industry toward a shared standard.AI in travel depends on data models more than demos: If the underlying entities, definitions, and relationships are inconsistent, AI systems will produce plausible but wrong answers.The aviation industry data model matters more now than when it was created: A shared semantic layer becomes much more valuable once AI agents need normalized data they can reason across.Travel intermediaries may split rather than disappear: AI could create a new model where travelers have trusted buying agents while suppliers are represented by their own selling agents.Trust, identity, and settlement are still unsolved AI-era problems: For autonomous shopping and booking to work, agents need ways to verify who they represent, enforce agreements, and resolve disputes across the network. Time-Stamped Highlights (00:10) Eric Leopold and the Hidden Infrastructure Behind Modern Travel(02:35) Why 2005 Was a Turning Point for Aviation Technology(03:13) Designing the Barcode Boarding Pass Standard(05:56) Why Politics, Not Technology, Slows Aviation Change(08:13) How IATA Actually Creates Global Standards(10:30) From Standards to Global Implementation(13:35) The Shift from Magnetic Stripes to Barcodes(16:06) How Mobile Phones Accelerated Adoption(19:57) NDC and the Move to API-Based Distribution(24:24) Airline Websites vs Online Travel Agents(28:36) AI Enters Travel Booking(30:06) Why Data Quality Is the Real AI Bottleneck(33:27) The Problem of Data Normalization(36:22) Knowledge Graphs vs LLMs(41:04) Trust, Identity, and the Future of AI Travel AgentsGuest Eric Leopold — Founder, Threedot Eric is the founder of Threedot, a consultancy focused on the travel industry, and a board member and advisor to multiple travel companies. He spent 15 years at IATA, where he worked on some of the most impactful industry standards, including the transition to barcode boarding passes and the development of airline distribution and data models. His work has directly shaped the infrastructure used by billions of passengers worldwide.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericleopold/Company: https://www.linkedin.com/company/threedot/ About the Podcast The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ 🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-cases Brought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    1hr 11min
  6. 16 MAR

    Why Your Istanbul Airport Sandwich Costs €22: The Economics Behind Drop-Off Fees and Retail

    Airports look like infrastructure businesses. Runways, terminals, aircraft movements. It’s easy to assume they make their money from planes. But some of the most valuable assets at capacity-constrained airports—slots—generate no direct revenue for the airport at all. Meanwhile, car parks can outperform landing fees, retail margins influence pricing strategy, and regulation quietly determines why your drop-off charge keeps rising. Professor Achim Czerny has spent decades studying airport economics. In this conversation, he breaks down the real incentive structures shaping airport behavior—from slot allocation and price caps to transfer competition and why a €9 coffee might be entirely rational. What You’ll Learn Why airports do not profit from slots: Slots are scarce and valuable, but under global scheduling rules, the economic value primarily accrues to airlines—not airports.How non-aeronautical revenue drives strategy: Car parking, retail, and drop-off fees can materially outperform traditional landing fees.Why regulation reshapes pricing incentives: Price caps on aeronautical services push airports to increase non-aeronautical charges instead.How competition differs by passenger type: Origin-destination passengers create local competition; transfer passengers create global hub competition.Why some airports may subsidize airlines: Under a “single till” logic, strong retail margins can justify lowering—or even offsetting—aeronautical charges.Why friction persists despite technology: Priority lanes and congestion can be revenue-generating mechanisms, complicating the push toward full efficiency.How airports compete for airlines: Route development, incentives, and even marketing tactics are used to attract airline bases.What the airport of the future might look like: Humanoid robots, biometric boarding, and automation could reshape both labor and passenger experience.Time-Stamped Highlights (00:22) Guest Introduction: Professor Achim Czerny(04:09) Airport Slots and Why Airports Do Not Capture Their Value(08:28) Aeronautical vs. Non-Aeronautical Revenue Explained(10:21) Why Car Parking Can Outearn Landing Fees(13:10) Heathrow Regulation and the Incentive to Raise Drop-Off Charges(17:08) High Retail Prices at Major Hubs Like Istanbul(18:50) The 60/40 Revenue Split and How It Has Evolved(21:14) Catchment Areas and Real Airport Competition(24:00) Origin-Destination vs. Transfer Passenger Markets(29:05) Why Transfer Competition Is Globally Intense(32:04) London Southend’s Route Strategy With Wizz Air(35:30) Airline Leverage and the Threat to Withdraw Capacity(38:08) The Future of Airports: Technology and AI(39:19) Humanoid Robots as a Response to Labor Constraints(45:06) Priority Channels, Congestion, and Revenue IncentivesGuest Professor Achim Czerny — Professor, Department of Logistics and Maritime Studies, Hong Kong Polytechnic University Professor Czerny is a leading scholar in aviation and transportation economics. He serves as Chairman of the German Aviation Research Society, Vice President of the International Transportation Economics Association, and is a member of the executive committees of the European Aviation Conference Institute and the Air Transport Research Society. His work focuses on airport pricing, slot allocation, regulation, and market competition—bringing academic rigor to questions that directly affect passengers, airlines, and policymakers.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/achim-i-czerny-0b61a1113/ About the Podcast The Travel Tech Podcast features long form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ 🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-cases Brought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    54 min
  7. 9 MAR

    Airports Still Run on 1980s Software: Why the Industry Is Moving Beyond AODB-Centric Operations

    Hot on the heels of Heathrow Airport’s decision to use AIRHART as its digital backbone and with the Passenger Terminal Expo in London next week, in this episode, I speak with Martin Bowman, Chief Strategy Officer at Smarter Airports.  Airport operations are still largely built on systems designed decades ago. Many of the technologies coordinating flights, gates, stands, and turnaround processes trace their lineage back to architectures conceived in the 1980s. They solved a critical problem at the time—distributing flight data across the airport ecosystem—but they were never designed for the integration depth, operational complexity, or rate of change airports face today. That gap is becoming harder to manage. Modern hubs operate close to capacity, depend on dozens of interconnected stakeholders, and need to respond to disruptions in real time. Yet many still rely on tightly scoped operational systems whose development cycles, data models, and vendor roadmaps reflect a much slower technological era. Martin Bowman argues the industry is approaching a structural shift. With Heathrow selecting the AIRHART platform to underpin core operations, the conversation moves beyond replacing legacy systems toward something more fundamental: building a configurable operational control layer that allows airports to orchestrate data, rules, integrations, and future automation—including AI—without waiting for vendor roadmaps to catch up. What You’ll Learn The limits of the traditional AODB model: Airport Operations Databases were designed to distribute flight data efficiently, but their architecture and vendor delivery model have struggled to evolve alongside modern operational demands.Platform architecture as an alternative to point solutions: Instead of deploying fixed-function products like AODB, ACDM, and AOP separately, airports can configure reusable components around shared data, rules, and integrations.A shift in ownership of operational logic: In a platform model, the airport—not the vendor—controls configuration, development pace, and prioritization of new capabilities.Why Heathrow’s decision matters for the industry: Replacing multiple core operational systems through a platform approach signals growing confidence in a new operating model for airport technology.Operational credibility built through real deployments: Copenhagen Airport and Munich Airport served as early proving grounds for the platform model before expansion to Heathrow.The operational realities of running Heathrow: Operating close to full capacity every day means the margin for disruption during technology change is extremely small.The difference between AI hype and operational AI: Many aviation solutions labeled as AI are advanced analytics or rule-based optimization rather than generative or learning systems.Operations orchestration as the next phase of airport technology: Future airport platforms will coordinate data, business rules, alerts, integrations, and AI models as part of a unified operational control layer.Time-Stamped Highlights (00:10) Heathrow’s New Operations Platform and Why This Decision Matters(01:28) Martin Bowman’s Career Across Aviation Software, Strategy, and Operations(07:47) What Changes When You Move Between Vendor, Advisory, and Platform Roles(10:31) Why Legacy Airport Systems and AODBs Are Starting to Break Down(22:09) Platform vs. Product: The Real Difference in Airport Operations(27:18) Why Heathrow Backed the Platform Approach(31:10) From Copenhagen to Munich to Heathrow: How the Model Gained Credibility(38:12) What Makes Heathrow So Operationally Complex(42:45) AI in Aviation: Hype, Mislabeling, and the Real Challenge Ahead(48:42) Passenger Terminal Expo and Munich’s Push Toward OrchestrationGuest Martin Bowman — Chief Strategy Officer, Smarter Airports Martin Bowman is Chief Strategy Officer at Smarter Airports, a joint venture between Copenhagen Airport and Netcompany focused on airport operations technology. He has spent more than 25 years working across aviation and technology, with leadership roles spanning software, airport systems, strategy, and advisory work. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinbowman/ About the Podcast Travel Tech Podcast features long-form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ Links & References Netcompany – Airport Solutions: https://netcompany.com/private-sector/airports/Airport Collaborative Decision Making (A-CDM) – EUROCONTROL: https://www.eurocontrol.int/concept/airport-collaborative-decision-making🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-casesBrought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

    53 min
  8. 2 MAR

    The Telecom-to-Aviation Playbook for Scaling Airspace Systems

    Aviation’s next scaling challenge isn’t about aircraft performance or autonomy. It’s about whether the invisible systems behind the scenes can interoperate, certify, and operate reliably in a highly regulated world. Amit Ganjoo has lived this problem twice. Before founding ANRA Technologies, he worked in telecoms during the era when fragmented standards made global connectivity impossible. Scale only arrived once interoperability, shared frameworks, and regulatory alignment replaced proprietary black boxes. In this episode, Amit explains how those same lessons now apply to drones, UTM, and advanced air mobility. He walks through why complex systems fail at the seams, how certification reshapes organizations, and what it really takes to move from experimentation to operational airspace infrastructure. What You’ll Learn Complex systems tend to fail at interfaces, not core logic: Edge cases and handoffs define reliability in real-world aviation systems.Telecom standardization offers a blueprint for airspace scale: Interoperability unlocked global mobility in telecom and remains aviation’s missing ingredient.Black-box architectures create long-term risk in regulated markets: Proprietary systems increase migration costs and slow ecosystem-wide progress.Operational scale requires regulatory trust, not just technology: Iterative collaboration enables regulators and operators to move faster together.BVLOS operations represent the first true commercial unlock: Infrastructure inspection, security, and logistics drive repeatable revenue.Certification changes how companies build and operate: EASA approval forced process rigor across safety, security, and software assurance.Reducing regulatory ambiguity accelerates deployment: Shared interpretation matters as much as written rules.AI’s near-term value is decision support, not autonomy: Advisory systems help humans act faster without compromising safety.Time-Stamped Highlights (02:13) Maker Mindset and First-Principles Engineering(04:09) How Complex Systems Fail at the Seams(06:04) Telecom Standards as a Blueprint for Aviation(09:11) Interoperability Versus Black-Box Airspace Systems(13:22) Fragmentation Risk in Global UTM and U-Space(15:27) Commercial Drivers Behind Scalable UAS Operations(17:07) Why BVLOS Is the Real Unlock for Scale(18:08) Certification as a Strategic Commitment(21:10) Regulatory Iteration Over Prescriptive Rulemaking(24:00) Reducing Ambiguity Through Real-World Operations(27:00) Trust-Building With Regulators and Standards Bodies(30:06) AI as Decision Support in Safety-Critical Systems(33:40) Human Accountability in Automated Aviation Systems(37:17) From Experimentation to Operational Airspace(39:10) Infrastructure as the Foundation for Advanced Air MobilityGuest Amit Ganjoo — Founder & CEO, ANRA TechnologiesAmit is the founder and CEO of ANRA Technologies and a long-standing leader in drone traffic management, UTM, and U-Space systems. With a background spanning telecoms, defense, and aviation, he has played a central role in shaping interoperable airspace standards and regulatory frameworks globally.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amitganjoo/Company: https://www.anratechnologies.com/ About the Podcast Travel Tech Podcast features long-form conversations with leaders across travel and technology. The show explores how software, data, operations, and distribution come together in real businesses, with an emphasis on tradeoffs, incentives, and lessons that transfer beyond any single company or role. Host Alex Brooker — Founder, Airside LabsAlex is an engineer, technology leader, and founder with deep expertise in mission-critical systems and AI oversight. He leads Airside Labs, an AI business that applies aviation-grade testing and compliance rigor to enterprise AI systems, helping organizations build and test AI agents in regulated environments. Before founding Airside Labs, Alex built and scaled complex software in aviation and safety-critical domains, blending product innovation with disciplined engineering practices. He also invests in early-stage technology ventures and advocates for thoughtful, real-world AI deployment strategies.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-brooker-2280002/ Links & References 3GPP Telecom Standards Organization: https://www.3gpp.orgAirports Council International, Airspace Modernization: https://aci.aeroICAO Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS): https://www.icao.int/safety/UAFAA UTM Concept of Operations (ConOps): https://www.faa.gov/uas/research_development/traffic_management🔍 Explore 6,500+ Aviation AI Use Cases. We've catalogued over 6,500 real AI applications across airlines, airports, ATM, MRO, and more into an interactive browser. Filter by sector and see where AI is actually being deployed across aviation: airsidelabs.com/aviation-use-casesBrought To You By Airside Labs — Airside Labs supports aviation and travel operators with tools to test, deploy, and scale modern data and AI systems in safety-critical environments. Learn more at https://airsidelabs.com.

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