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We are three clinical psychologists, bringing you ideas from psychology that can help you flourish in your work, relationships, and health.

Psychologists Off the Clock Drs. Debbie Sorensen, Yael Schonbrun, & Jill Stoddard

    • Health & Fitness
    • 4.8 • 40 Ratings

We are three clinical psychologists, bringing you ideas from psychology that can help you flourish in your work, relationships, and health.

    Relationships with Emotionally Immature People with Lindsay Gibson

    Relationships with Emotionally Immature People with Lindsay Gibson

    Many of us grew up with or are in a current relationship with someone who is emotionally immature. And if that’s the case, you may feel anger towards that person, and a lingering sense of loneliness and anxiety in intimate relationships. Lindsey Gibson, the author of the bestselling book, Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, helps us understand why these relationships cause us such pain, how to heal, and even how to navigate relationships with an emotionally immature person in our adult life. Join us to learn how to find a new way to be in relationship with an emotionally immature person. 
    Listen and Learn:

    Why Lindsey first began writing and treating adult children of emotionally immature parents

    The value of understanding what emotional immaturity is, but also the caution we should use in applying labels

    The hallmark qualities of emotional immaturity (and emotional maturity)

    The research that highlights why being raised by an emotionally immature parent can cause such long-term pain

    The surprising stance Lindsey has on cultivating compassion for an emotionally immature person

    Strategies for growing relationships in that don't resemble those which you were raised with

    Understand how you can help a relationship with an emotionally immature person grow

    Lindsey’s thoughts on estrangement from an emotionally immature parent or partner


    Resources

    Ed Tronick’s still face experiment


    Fault Lines: Fractured Families and How to Mend Them, by Karl Pillemer

    Atlantic Article: Why Parents and Kids Get Estranged



    About Lindsey Gibson
    Lindsay C. Gibson, PsyD, is a clinical psychologist in private practice who specializes in individual psychotherapy with adult children of emotionally immature parents. She is author of Who You Were Meant to Be and writes a monthly column on well-being for Tidewater Women magazine and she’s here today to talk with me about her books, Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents and Recovering From Emotionally Immature Parents. Welcome, Linsday!

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    • 1 hr 19 min
    Hope and Values in Dark Times with Us

    Hope and Values in Dark Times with Us

    The world is chock full of bad news right now, and many are feeling the impacts. From war to revocation of rights, the world around us can easily (and not unreasonably) feel hopeless. On this week’s episode of POTC, Debbie, Yael, Jill, and Michael come together to discuss the psychological impact of the socio-political climate as well as practical advice for navigating these difficult times. Join us in this episode to learn expert-approved strategies for fostering hope and compassion in times of anger, using anger in values-oriented ways, distinguishing between healthy and unhealthy avoidance, and much more today. 

    Listen and Learn:

    The psychological impact of the socio-political climate

    Practical advice for living consistently with your values during hard times

    The validity in feeling numb, detaching, and isolating

    Important distinctions in healthy and unhealthy avoidance

    Expert-approved strategies for using anger in healthy ways

    The cognitive load of uncertainty and practical advice for tolerating it

    Evidence-based methods for fostering hope and taking action

    Role-models who endured hopelessness with bravery and compassion

    The strategies the POTC team uses to foster hope in their personal lives

    How to balance feelings of guilt and shame

    Practical advice for deciding when it’s time for self-care and when it’s time for taking action

    Expert-approved strategies for staying informed without burning out or doom scrolling

    How to have difficult conversations about heavy socio-political topics with even the most difficult of people

    Clarifying your values by finding the grains of sugar in life


    Resources:

    Read Melinda Moyer’s article, The 'Psychic Numbing" of Mass Tragedies 

    Read Jane Goodall and Douglas Abrams’ book, The Book of Hope: A Survival Guide for Trying Times 

    Check out Michael in his cow hat and with Jane Goodall!

    Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych.

    Check out Debbie, Diana, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more! 


    About our team:

    Debbie Sorensen, PhD, (she/her) is a psychologist in private practice in Denver, Colorado She is co-author of ACT Daily Journal: Get Unstuck and Live Fully with Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. You can learn more about Debbie, read her blog, and find out about upcoming presentations and training events at her webpage, drdebbiesorensen.com.

    Yael Schonbrun, PhD, (she/her) is a licensed clinical psychologist and assistant professor at Brown University. Yael’s book, Work, Parent, Thrive comes out in November and is available for pre-order now!

    Jill Stoddard, PhD, (she/her) is a clinical psychologist and author of The Big Book of ACT Metaphors: A Practitioner’s Guide to Experiential Exercises and Metaphors in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and Be Mighty: A Woman’s Guide to Liberation from Anxiety, Worry, and Stress Using Mindfulness and Acceptance. 

    Michael Herold (he/him) is the head coach at The Art of Charm and a public speaker and speaker coach. Clients he has coached for presentations have been featured on NBC, Fast Company, Forbes, and the Oprah Winfrey Network.

    Related Episodes:


    Episode 201. Fierce Compassion with Kristin Neff 


    Episode 214. How to Raise Kids Who Aren’t Jerks with Melinda Wenner Moyer 


    Episode 168. Everyday Conversations: How Conversational Style Impacts Relationships with Deborah Tannen 


    Episode 260. Health Anxiety with Karen Lynn Cassiday 


    Episode 230. The Laziness Lie with Devon Price 

    Episode 259. Rethinking Delusions with Victoria Sheperd


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    • 1 hr 7 min
    The Secret Life of Secrets with Michael Slepian

    The Secret Life of Secrets with Michael Slepian

    Secrets are a double-edged sword. They can both inflict and remedy physical and psychological injury for us and our loved ones. But regardless of whether they offer benefit, keeping secrets is often burdensome for the keeper. Michael Slepian, author of The Secret Life of Secrets, has dedicated his career to the psychology of secrets and how keeping secrets affect variables that govern social and organizational life. In this episode of POTC, Michael and Yael discuss the personal and relational value in sharing as well as the impact of keeping secrets. Join us in this episode for surprising statistics and findings on secret-keeping, practical advice on assessing when and how to share your secrets, evidence-based strategies on building trust, and much much more, today!

    Listen and Learn:

    Yael and Debbie discuss the power of tightly held secrets

    Why secret-keeping is often overlooked in the realm of mental health

    Michael’s expert definition of secrecy

    Important distinctions between deception and private information

    The impact of secret-keeping on our well-being

    Some surprising findings from Michael’s research on secret-keeping

    The first steps in overcoming a tightly held or particularly burdensome secret

    The hazards and gifts associated with professional secret-keeping as a clinician

    Revealing statistics on secrets and secret-keeping

    An expert definition of ambitious secrets

    Practical advice on assessing when and how to share your secrets

    Guidelines for helping children understand the differences between the right to privacy and the dangers of keeping certain kinds of secrets

    Pros and cons of snooping

    Evidence-based strategies on building trust

    Michael’s coping compass and how it can help you decide whether or not to disclose a secret

    Michael’s personal experiences sharing and learning secrets

    The personal and relational value in sharing secrets


    Resources:

    Buy your copy of Michael’s book, The Secret Life of Secrets: How Our Inner Worlds Shape Well-Being, Relationships, and Who We Are! 

    Michael’s study, Relieving the burdens of secrecy: Revealing secrets influences judgments of hill slant and distance 

    Check out Danny Shapiro’s book Inheritance: A Memoir of Genealogy, Paternity, and Love 


    Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych.

    Check out Debbie, Diana, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more! 


    About Michael Slepian:
    Michael Slepian is the Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. Associate Professor of Leadership and Ethics at Columbia Business School. He previously was a visiting scholar at Stanford University, and received his Ph.D. from Tufts University. He is an elected fellow of the Society of Experimental Social Psychology, has received the Rising Star Award from the Association for Psychological Science, and received the National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowship.Michael studies the psychology of secrets and how keeping secrets affect variables that govern social and organizational life. For more information see his research and publications.

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    Episode 83. Courageous Conversations to Prevent Childhood Sexual Abuse with Feather Berkower


    Episode 118. Moral Injury and Shame with Lauren Borges and Jacob Farnsworth 

    Episode 184. Getting Past Affairs and Other Relationship Betrayals with Kristina Coop Gordon


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    • 1 hr 8 min
    Health Anxiety with Karen Lynn Cassiday

    Health Anxiety with Karen Lynn Cassiday

    It’s not uncommon to have some anxiety about your and others’ health. However, health anxiety, at its worst, can become an overwhelming, life-consuming experience that keeps you from thriving. Millions of people experience health anxiety, and the pandemic has certainly contributed to the recent rise in numbers of people who experience this. Dr. Karen Cassiday, author of Freedom from Health Anxiety, is nationally recognized as an expert clinical psychologist in the diagnosis and treatment of anxiety disorders in children, teens, and adults. In this episode of POTC, Karen and Debbie discuss the common experience of health anxiety, and Karen’s evidence-based methods for approaching it. Join us in this empowering episode for distinctions between normal and problematic health anxiety, practical advice for dealing with catastrophic thinking patterns, and much more, today!

    Listen and Learn:

    Debbie and Yael’s thoughts on the pervasive experience of health anxiety

    Dr. Cassiday’s expert opinion on the rise of health anxiety in the general public

    Practical distinctions for when health anxiety is normal vs. when it’s problematic

    Important differences between orthorexia and health anxiety

    Practical advice for dealing with catastrophic thinking patterns about your health

    An expert breakdown of the reassurance seeking cycle

    The importance of function in your health-related behaviors

    Evidence-based strategies for practitioners and patients dealing with health-anxiety

    How Dr. Cassiday uses Exposure and Response Prevention in her work

    The common experience of health anxiety, and new, evidence-based methods for approaching it


    Resources:

    Grab your copy of Karen’s book, Freedom from Health Anxiety: Understand and Overcome Obsessive Worry about Your Health or Someone Else's and Find Peace of Mind 


    Check out Yael and Barry Schwartz’s article on Radical Uncertainty


    Read Barry Schwartz's Practical Wisdom: The Right Way to Do the Right Thing 


    Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych.

    Check out Debbie, Diana, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more! 


    About Dr. Karen Lynn Cassiday:
    Dr. Karen Cassiday is an author and nationally recognized as an expert clinical psychologist in the diagnosis and treatment of anxiety disorders in children, teens and adults. She empowers patients to overcome their struggles with anxiety, compulsions, phobias, social anxiety, worry, and depression. She approaches each patient with enthusiasm, persistence, and a keen sense of humor, crafting individualized, research-based treatment plans for each person. Her goal is to make each patient an expert at managing their own anxiety, so that they can face any future event with confidence and courage. A sought after national speaker on television, radio and at professional training seminars, Dr. Cassiday has appeared as a psychological consultant on Animal Hoarders on TNT and on NBC’s Today Show. Her expertise has been tapped through commentary in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, and numerous other publications. Make sure to check out Karen’s book, Freedom from Health Anxiety: Understand and Overcome Obsessive Worry about Your Health or Someone Else's and Find Peace of Mind.

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    • 1 hr 7 min
    Rethinking Delusions with Victoria Sheperd

    Rethinking Delusions with Victoria Sheperd

    Delusional beliefs have a long and varied history, with false beliefs ranging from those as minor as imposter syndrome to those as significant as thinking we are dead or decapitated. Victoria Shepherd, author of A History of Delusions, has dedicated her career to exploring the history of fixed false beliefs and the context in which false beliefs can develop. On this episode of POTC, she and Yael discuss the importance of understanding the function of delusions within social context. Join us in this episode for practical advice on caring for loved ones who experience delusions, evidence-based methods of being compassionate towards yourself and others when dealing with delusional beliefs, and much, much more, today!
    Listen and Learn:

    Yael and Jill’s take on delusional thinking and fixed false beliefs

    The importance of understanding the functionality of delusions within a context

    Practical advice for caring for loved ones who experience delusions

    Common delusions we all frequently experience

    Three ways delusions might be helpful for distressed individuals

    Expert-approved strategies for becoming more aware of your own delusional thinking and managing overwhelm and uncertainty 

    How the human desire for agency over a situation plays into delusional thinking

    Some of the experiences of the intriguing characters in Victoria’s book!

    Perceptions of individuals in power that influence widely held beliefs 

    How biological causes contribute to delusions

    Evidence-based methods of being compassionate towards yourself and others when dealing with delusional beliefs


    Resources:

    Grab your copy of Victoria’s book, A History of Delusions: The Glass King, a Substitute Husband, and a Walking Corpse!

    Learn more about Charles The Mad


    Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych.

    Check out Debbie, Diana, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more! 


    About Victoria Shepherd:
    Victoria Shepherd, a born and bred south Londoner, has an M.A. from the University of East Anglia in creative writing. She’s an experienced audio producer for BBC Radio making documentaries and podcasts, and her short film documentary, 2 Princelet Street, was selected by the National Film School Docs program. Many of her documentaries can be found on BBC Sounds, and recent highlights include: ‘A History of Delusions’, presented by Professor Daniel Freeman (co-produced by Eve Streeter), ‘The Glass Delusion’, presented by Adam Phillips; ‘A History of the Future’, and ‘Experiments in Living’ presented by Juliet Gardiner; ‘This Old Heart of Mine’ presented by Giles Fraser, ‘A Natural History of the Banker’ presented by Andrew Ross Sorkin, ‘The Periodic Table’ presented by Chris Addison; ‘Headstrong and Proud’ presented by Michael Crick, ‘The Wizard of Oz’, presented by Salman Rushdie. Learn more about her work here, and buy her book A History of Delusions: The Glass King, a Substitute Husband, and a Walking Corpse now.
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    • 1 hr 5 min
    How to Have a Kid and a Life with Erika Souter

    How to Have a Kid and a Life with Erika Souter

    Women and gender-expansive individuals are often expected to take on the largest portion of emotional labor, home-making, and parenting work. This and a myriad of other unrealistic expectations contribute to #secretparenting and the “motherhood penalty,” leaving women and gender-expansive individuals to suffer and fall behind their white, cis-gender, male counterparts. Ericka Sóuter is a nationally recognized voice in parenting news and parenting advice. On this episode of POTC, she and Jill discuss the challenges mothers often face in their parenting journey and provide practical, realistic advice for facing those challenges. Join us in this episode to learn the research behind caring for yourself first, how to use mom-judgment for good and not evil, statistics behind #secretparenting, and much more today!
    Listen and Learn:

    Jill and Yael’s experiences with the challenging elements of parenting

    How Ericka came upon the title of her book

    The unmet or unrealistic expectations about parenthood

    The evidence-based place to start improving your experience with parenthood and overwhelm

    What the research says about caring for your own well-being before that of your child’s

    Practical advice for building a community of “the right mom friends” during even the busiest, most hectic of times

    Expert-approved advice for using mom-judgment for good and not evil

    The disturbing statistics behind #secretparenting and practical advice for how to engage with the “motherhood penalty”

    Why the frequency of sex may decrease during and after pregnancy and how to ensure it rebounds down the road

    Resources:

    Grab your copy of Ericka’s book, How to Have a Kid and a Life: A Survival Guide!

    Check out Ericka’s articles! 

    Learn more about #secretparenting


    The C-Suite: 70% of top male earners in the US have a spouse who stays home


    Grab your copy of all our favorite books at bookshop.org/shop/offtheclockpsych.

    Check out Debbie, Diana, Yael, and Jill’s websites to access their offerings, sign up for their newsletters, buy their books, and more! 

    About:
     
    Ericka Sóuter is a nationally recognized voice in parenting news and parenting advice. She has over 20 years of journalism experience and is a frequent contributor on Good Morning America and other national broadcast outlets, where it’s her job to speak to parents across the country about the issues, controversies, and trends most affecting families today. Her new book is How to Have a Kid and a Life: A Survival Guide. Ericka’s work appears on the Bump, What to Expect, CafeMom, and Mom.com, all high-traffic parenting sites that reach millions of moms each month. Her writing has also been featured in People magazine, Us Weekly, Essence, Cosmopolitan, Self and WebMD. She received her bachelor’s degree from Georgetown University and master’s degree from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.
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    • 1 hr 9 min

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