The DOC Podcast

DeLuke Orthodontic Coaching, LLC

The DOC Podcast brings you unique educational content taught by Dr. Mike DeLuke, a Board Certified Orthodontist with over 20 years of clinical and academic experience. Dr. DeLuke built his orthodontic practice from scratch in the early 2000s and grew it into a multimillion-dollar enterprise in less than 10 years. He was able to retire from his private practice at the age of 46 years old, and now devotes his energy to teaching his colleagues how to succeed both personally and professionally. He also provides locum tenens coverage for colleagues in South Florida. Dr. DeLuke has served as a faculty member at numerous hospitals and orthodontic residency programs around the country, including as the cleft craniofacial orthodontist at Albany Medical Center in New York, and as a clinical professor at The University of Connecticut in the Department of Orthodontics. He is presently an adjunct professor in the Department of Pediatric Dentistry at Healthcare Network and a Visiting Professor in the Department of Orthodontics at Montefiore Einstein Hospital in the Bronx. The DOC Podcast will bring you in-depth discussions and interviews with industry leaders and experts on a variety of topics, including clinical excellence, practice management, finance and wealth creation, health and wellness, taxes and accounting, fitness, and much more!

  1. Rethinking When, Why, & How We Treat Patients (w/Dr. Mike DePascale) [Ep.157]

    1 DAY AGO

    Rethinking When, Why, & How We Treat Patients (w/Dr. Mike DePascale) [Ep.157]

    Episode Summary Dr. Mike DePascale is a Connecticut-based orthodontist and co-owner of a multi-location practice with his partner and mentor, Dr. Jeff Kozlowski. In this episode, Dr. DePascale shares his remarkable personal journey from suffering severe obstructive sleep apnea in his early 20s and undergoing orthognathic surgery to becoming a passionate advocate for airway-focused, early-interceptive orthodontic care. The conversation covers the philosophy behind their thriving partnership, why airway is still woefully undertaught in residency programs, how to practically integrate early airway-focused treatment into a busy practice, the critical role of interdisciplinary collaboration, and what it takes to maintain peak fitness while building a career and a family. This is a conversation about so much more than teeth, it's about breathing, thriving, and never settling. Timestamps 0:00 — Introduction to The DOC Podcast and Dr. Mike DePascale10:57 — Dr. DePascale's origin story: cold-calling medical offices to find his path12:30 — Diagnosed with severe sleep apnea in his 20s: 3 car accidents, 2–4 hours of sleep a night15:30 — Choosing orthognathic surgery over CPAP — and how it saved his life19:00 — Finding Dr. Jeff Kozlowski: choosing mentorship over immediate money24:00 — What makes a practice partnership actually work: communication, consistency, and commitment33:00 — Residency training: what it prepared him for — and what it didn't38:00 — Why airway is barely taught in orthodontic residencies (and what needs to change)45:00 — The 1968 Salzman Index, Medicaid, and how the system trains orthodontists to pull teeth instead of treat early53:00 — How to practically integrate airway screening into a busy multi-doc practice58:00 — Team training, sleep questionnaires, and the power of interdisciplinary referral networks63:00 — The emotional reality: a mom crying after finally hearing "tongue tie" for the first time after 5 specialists68:00 — How early is too early? Dr. DePascale's own son: frenectomy at weeks old, T&A at age 275:00 — Why orthodontists are uniquely positioned — and obligated — to lead in the airway space80:00 — Fitness as a non-negotiable: from not finishing a mile to running a 4:53, and why he never gets out of it Links Register for the In-person Early Treatment Comprehensive: https://www.earlyorthotreatment.com/ Join The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/Website: theorthocoach.comEmail: drmike@theorthocoach.comInstagram: @theorthocoachThank you for your support of The DOC Podcast, and please share the show with others who may benefit from hearing this conversation!

    1hr 29min
  2. The Good, Bad, & Ugly of the AAO White Paper Update on SDB and Orthodontics [Ep.156]

    14 MAY

    The Good, Bad, & Ugly of the AAO White Paper Update on SDB and Orthodontics [Ep.156]

    In this episode, Dr. Mike breaks down the 2024 update to the 2019 AAO White Paper on obstructive sleep apnea and orthodontics, published in the AJODO in April. After presenting to hundreds of medical, dental, and myofunctional therapy colleagues across the country, he recorded his full presentation for listeners worldwide. Timestamps 0:00 – Introduction, episode overview & why Dr. Mike recorded this presentation 1:17 – Context: Presenting across the U.S. (Houston, Bronx, Long Island) — the near-universal reaction was shock at the document's flaws 3:07 – THE GOOD begins 3:07 – Good #1: Acknowledges the full spectrum of sleep-disordered breathing (SDB), not just OSA 3:55 – Good #2 & #3: Calls on orthodontists to screen all pediatric patients for SDB, emphasizes early detection, and acknowledges multifactorial etiology requiring interdisciplinary care 5:07 – THE BAD begins 5:07 – Bad #1–2: Author panel was 8 orthodontists + 1 librarian (no physicians, no myofunctional therapists); document inconsistently uses "OSA" vs. "SDB" throughout 8:03 – Bad #3–5: Minimal screening guidance (32 signs & symptoms largely ignored); only briefly mentions comorbidities; never discusses the importance of nasal breathing 13:00 – Bad #6: Overall focus is on what not to do rather than guiding orthodontists on how to help patients 14:00 – THE UGLY begins 15:01 – Ugly #1: Reliance on PSG-confirmed OSA to justify intervention — challenges with pediatric sleep studies (access, sensitivity, first-night effect, lack of standardization); what Reference 34 actually says vs. how it was cited 22:40 – Patient case study: Child with AHI of zero but severe signs of airway disease — the ENT said "what does the orthodontist know about sleep medicine?" 26:34 – Ugly #2: "No way to determine if a patient is a mouth breather" — justified by a study of 9 adults on a cycle ergometer; Dr. Kandasamy's 2025 AJODO editorial; what the actual research shows (European OJ, AHA, ADHD literature, microbiome) 36:51 – Ugly #3: "No craniofacial phenotypes can identify SDB" — directly contradicted by Reference 34 and the original 2019 white paper; Harvold primate studies, Hew et al. (2011), Principato's tongue mechanics explained 43:03 – Ugly #4: "Most children with SDB will outgrow it" — both cited references (Refs 17 & 18) actually contradict this claim; cardiovascular, neurocognitive, and ADHD consequences of waiting 53:03 – Ugly #5: "CBCT has no diagnostic value for SDB" — contradicted by Reference 34; what CBCT can detect; the radiation argument debunked 57:29 – Ugly #6: Must refer to a physician for diagnosis before any intervention — ignores lack of access to pediatric sleep physicians; a formal diagnosis does not change the orthodontist's treatment plan for normalizing craniofacial growth 1:00:00 – Ugly #7: Misleading analysis of tongue tie (ankyloglossia) and PSDB — references were miscited; what the scoping review (1,228+ patients) and 2026 systematic review actually concluded 1:07:27 – The evidence-based medicine argument: what David Sackett (founder of EBM) actually said — and how Class I occlusion, ceph norms, clear aligners, and IPR are held to a different standard than airway treatment 1:19:20 – Ugly #8: "Orthodontic extractions have no impact on airway" — the Larson article debunked (patients didn't even necessarily have orthodontic treatment); extractions treat the symptom and ignore the underlying etiology 1:28:20 – Path forward: "Straight teeth bias," the need for a paradigm shift, and the vision for a profession that creates both beautiful smiles and healthy nasal breathers Resources Mentioned AAO White Paper Update: Sleep-Disordered Breathing in Orthodontics (https://www.ajodo.org/article/S0889-5406(26)00035-1/fulltext)  Dr. Mike's OrthoTown article: Defining Evidence-Based Orthodontics (https://www.orthotown.com/magazine/article/9835/defining-evidence-based-orthodontics?fbclid=IwY2xjawP14fxleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFrVWE3M3EwYWJTRWpEdENTc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHhwMNgFJyCJB6JMvVDSomu6drLwAym2SI7CDx-eXbuwrUwBxzP6NpyP7HpT8_aem_NmfJlB15aUQgioH6xWUu3A)Early Orthodontic Treatment Comprehensive – 2-day hands-on course with Dr. Mike & Dr. Daniel Camacho, Fort Lauderdale, FL, November 13–14. Save $1,000 by enrolling before May 31st. Limited to 20 docs. (https://www.earlyorthotreatment.com/)Connect Website: theorthocoach.comEmail: drmike@theorthocoach.comFacebook: The DOC Community (https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/)Subscribe on Apple Podcasts & SpotifySubscribe to the DOC YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@theorthocoach)Please share this episode widely — with medical, dental, and myofunctional therapy colleagues, parents, and anyone invested in children's health.

    1hr 30min
  3. Do Kids Outgrow Their Airway Issues? An ENT's Perspective (w/Dr. David McIntosh) [Ep.155]

    7 MAY

    Do Kids Outgrow Their Airway Issues? An ENT's Perspective (w/Dr. David McIntosh) [Ep.155]

    In this episode, I sit down again with Dr. David McIntosh, an ENT surgeon from Australia and one of the sharpest medical minds I know when it comes to pediatric airway and sleep-disordered breathing. We dig deep into the recently updated AAO white paper, including what it got right, what it got dangerously wrong, and why publishing a document about interdisciplinary care without a single interdisciplinary author is a problem we can't ignore.  Dr. McIntosh also walks me through one of the most eye-opening breakdowns I've ever heard about Scammon's curve, and what orthodontists were never actually taught about what that data really shows. This episode is a must-listen for any dental or medical professional who works with children and cares about more than just straight teeth. Timestamps:0:02:40 — Welcome & introducing Dr. David McIntosh back to the show0:04:35 — The AAO white paper update: eight orthodontists, one librarian, and zero medical or myofunctional colleagues0:09:51 — The quote that stopped Dr. McIntosh cold: "Pre-pubertal OSA tends to resolve naturally"0:11:34 — Dissecting the flaws in reference #17: small sample sizes, changing scoring rules & selection bias0:13:01 — Reference #18 from a 2010 Journal of Pediatrics paper that actually contradicts the white paper's own conclusion0:22:59 — Why the CHAT study should have been their starting point0:23:09 — The Karen Bonuck study: 12,000 children, 7 years of data, and what early SDB really does to development0:27:54 — Christian Guilleminault and why he wished he'd never invented the AHI0:38:16 — Breaking down Scammon's curve: what it actually measures (and what it doesn't)0:40:25 — The original data came from the spleen and thymus — not tonsils or adenoids0:53:30 — "I don't care about teeth" — Dr. McIntosh on why craniofacial outcomes are the wrong finish line0:55:34 — Straight teeth bias: why orthodontists need to think like dentofacial orthopedists1:04:08 — Mouth breathing and craniofacial growth: why the debate doesn't even matter anymore1:20:41 — Dr. McIntosh and Bill Harrell's upcoming Airway Breathing Academy — what it is and who it's for I hope this episode challenges the way you think about what we're really treating when we treat children's airways, because it's never just about the teeth. If you found this valuable, please follow me on Instagram at @theorthocoach, join our community at The DOC Community on Facebook (link below), and subscribe on YouTube at @theorthocoach. Your support helps keep these important conversations going. See you next episode.LINKS Register for the In-person Early Treatment Comprehensive: https://www.earlyorthotreatment.com/ Join The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/Guillimenault & Huang article in Sleep Medicine Reviews, 2018: Guilleminault C, Huang YS. From oral facial dysfunction to dysmorphism and the onset of pediatric OSA. Sleep Med Rev. 2018 Aug;40:203-214.Connect with Dr. McIntosh:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/david.mcintosh.180 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.mcintosh.ent/?hl=en

    1hr 22min
  4. What's Causing the Chronic Disease Epidemic in Our Children? (w/Beth Lambert)

    30 APR

    What's Causing the Chronic Disease Epidemic in Our Children? (w/Beth Lambert)

    In this episode, I sit down with Beth Lambert - bestselling author, founder of Documenting Hope, and creator of the CHIRP Study - for a deep dive into the skyrocketing rates of chronic illness in children. Beth shares her personal journey from pharmaceutical consultant to healthcare reform advocate, explains the "Total Load" theory of disease, and discusses the environmental, dietary, and systemic factors driving conditions like autism, ADHD, autoimmune disease, and allergies. The conversation covers vaccines, fluoride, gut health, sleep, and practical steps parents can take today, all grounded in science, and without the usual gatekeeping. Timestamps: 0:23 – Introduction: Meet Beth Lambert8:01 – Beth gets kicked out of 3 pediatricians' offices for asking about root causes15:50 – How post-WWII pharmaceutical culture shaped modern medicine17:57 – Direct-to-consumer drug advertising: the U.S. is one of only two countries that allow it22:07 – The data: from 2% of kids with chronic illness in 1960 to 54%+ today24:23 – What's driving the epidemic? Food, air, water, antibiotics, toxins — the "Total Load"25:48 – Explaining the Total Load Theory and why no single cause explains it all30:40 – The CHIRP Study: Child Health Inventory for Resilience and Prevention31:15 – Preliminary findings: more health stressors = worse health outcomes36:32 – The vaccine-autism debate: why we need open, unbiased science37:59 – Antibiotics and the microbiome: the biggest signal in the CHIRP data43:13 – "The science is settled" — why that phrase has no place in real science54:38 – Fluoride: Beth hasn't used it in 20 years — here's why1:06:25 – Gut health: why the microbiome is foundational but not the whole picture1:12:22 – Is it ADHD or is it sleep deprivation? The airway-behavior connection1:19:57 – Biohacks (peptides, red light, vagus nerve stimulators): helpful tools, not solutions1:23:16 – Take-home message: clinician-parent partnership and owning your child's health1:25:37 – Where to find Beth & Documenting Hope: documentinghope.com LINKS: Epidemic Answers: www.epidemicanswers.orgThe Documenting Hope Project: www.documentinghope.comA Compromised Generation: http://sentientpublications.com/shop/books/all-titles/a-compromised-generation/Brain Under Attack: http://www.brainunderattack.comFollow Beth on Socials: @documentinghope  Join The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/REGISTER: 2026 Early Orthodontic Treatment Comprehensive: https://www.earlyorthotreatment.com/

    1hr 27min
  5. A Drug-Free Approach to the Management of Nasal Congestion (w/Drs. Hwang, Gopi, & Lin) [Ep.153]

    23 APR

    A Drug-Free Approach to the Management of Nasal Congestion (w/Drs. Hwang, Gopi, & Lin) [Ep.153]

    Episode SummaryIn this two-part episode, I sit down with the founders of Sound Health and the Sonu Band - one of the most innovative products in the airway and sleep health space. In Part 1, Dr. Paramesh Gopi shares his personal journey from tech entrepreneur to co-founder of Sound Health, driven by his own debilitating struggle with chronic sinusitis and allergies. He explains how a chance meeting with Stanford physicians, Drs. Peter Hwang and Bryant Lin led to the world's first FDA-approved AI wearable using acoustic resonance therapy to decrease nasal congestion. In Part 2, Drs. Hwang and Lin dive deeper into the science. They discuss the neurogenic underpinning of nasal and sinus disease, how acoustic vibration at individualized resonant frequencies modulates the autonomic nervous system (specifically the sphenopalatine ganglion), and why neuromodulation, not just mechanical mucus clearance, may explain the device's broad effectiveness.  Together, all three guests explore the future of the Sonu Band, the potential to bridge the gap between ENTs, dentists, orthodontists, and primary care physicians, and the exciting platform that pairs face scanning and voice analytics to deliver personalized airway data at scale. Timestamps3:22 — **PART 1 begins: Interview with Dr. Paramesh Gopi**4:11 — **The personal health crisis that changed everything** — Multiple sinus infections, rounds of antibiotics, a lifetime of allergies, and why a life-threatening level of illness in 2019 forced a new path.11:25 — **5 years without antibiotics or sprays** — Dr. Gopi describes his transformation after becoming the first patient to try acoustic resonance therapy with Drs. Hwang and Lin.16:57 — **Shared stories: empathy in medicine** — Dr. Mike and Dr. Gopi connect over parallel personal experiences with chronic sinus disease and how those experiences drove each of them into broader airway-focused work.24:23 — **The Sound Health app & free nasal airway report** — Anyone can download the app, speak into it, and get a quantified nasal airflow report — no purchase necessary. The role of voice biomarkers in identifying breathing patterns.29:53 — **How the Sonu Band works: the physics of resonance** — Dr. Gopi explains the mechanism using the analogy of resonating a bottle to pop a cork. Sound waves at the right frequency physically alter aerodynamics inside the sinus cavities to clear mucus blockages.32:28 — **AI-powered facial scanning replaces the CT scan** — How Sound Health trained AI on hundreds of CT scans to predict internal sinus anatomy from a simple face scan using your phone's camera.43:54 — **Why avoid single-solution thinking?** — A conversation on multifactorial airway disease and why combining therapies (expansion, resonance, surgery, pharmacology) with no-downside non-pharma options makes sense.48:19 — **Data-driven treatment and longitudinal tracking** — Sound Health's published 2,375-person usage study, correlating face shape with symptom improvement over 12+ months.52:21 — **The "Screen, Treat, Monitor" platform** — How Sound Health envisions its technology becoming a reimbursable remote therapeutic monitoring tool, usable by dentists, orthodontists, speech therapists, and physicians.1:01:07 — **Dr. Mike's personal Sonu Band experience** — Noticeable improvement in nasal patency, reduced reliance on nasal steroids, and sleeping on his "bad side" for the first time in decades. 1:08:17 — **PART 2 begins: Interview with Drs. Peter Hwang & Bryant Lin**1:09:18 — **Origin story: humming, singers, and a hallway conversation** — Dr. Hwang recounts a 1990s residency comment about singers having fewer sinus problems that incubated for 20 years before becoming a product. Dr. Lin describes early prototyping with cell phone vibration motors and buzzer kits.1:23:29 — **Long-term real-world data** — Beyond the FDA trials: adherence patterns, frequency of use, and what happens when patients stop using the device. The difference from rebound effects seen with decongestant sprays.1:38:59 — **Why sleeping position affects nasal congestion** — The science of nasal cycling, pressure receptors, and dependent venous congestion. Why lying on one side makes the other side open up.1:43:06 — **What's next for Sound Health** — Upcoming indications: facial pain/migraines, rhinitis of pregnancy, younger pediatric patients, and a sleep entrainment product (Spatial Sleep) designed to guide brainwaves into theta for insomnia relief. LINKS REGISTER for the 2026 Early Orthodontic Treatment Comprehensive: https://www.earlyorthotreatment.com/ Sound Health Life: https://soundhealth.life/ Sleep Help Products: https://spatialsleep.com/ Join The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/

    1hr 49min
  6. From Restoring Teeth to Transforming Lives (w/Dr. Chad Capps) [Ep.152]

    16 APR

    From Restoring Teeth to Transforming Lives (w/Dr. Chad Capps) [Ep.152]

    Episode OverviewI'm excited to share this week's episode, and I have to say, this one really hit home for me personally. My guest is Dr. Chad Capps, a board-certified orthodontist practicing in Rockwall, Texas, who also serves as adjunct faculty in the Department of Orthodontics at Texas A&M University College of Dentistry.  What makes this conversation so compelling is that, like me, he didn't set out to be an airway-focused orthodontist. He evolved. And the path that got him there, full of personal health struggles, defining patient moments, and a relentless pursuit of deeper purpose, is one I think so many of you will connect with.  You'll get to listen to two board-certified orthodontists who were not trained in airway-focused treatment share how their thinking evolved and why we believe orthodontists are uniquely positioned to change lives, not just straighten teeth. We dive into the science, the clinical realities, and the politics of our profession, as well as the reasons we are both so passionate about airway-focused treatment. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Highlights & Timestamps2:24 — **Welcome & Introduction**The conversation kicks off with how our shared work on an upcoming publication brought us together.3:18 — **A Career Path Redirected**What started as a passion for restorative dentistry led to a defining patient moment — a mom in tears handing over a teacher's note about how her child's life had changed after expansion and an ENT referral. That was the turning point.6:01 — **"That's What I Want to Do for the Rest of My Life"**The moment the decision was made to pursue orthodontics — with airway and growth at the center of it.7:41 — **Personal Health as a Clinical Lens**After attending an airway-focused CE course, the pieces fell into place personally — UARS misdiagnosed as narcolepsy, multiple tongue surgeries, atrial fibrillation, and two children who also struggled. Living through these experiences has shaped an extraordinary level of clinical empathy and insight.17:46 — **Building a Practice That Can Actually Do This Work**The practical side: how do you restructure your schedule, limit new patient exams, build a stable and educated team, and create systems that allow for the depth of care airway treatment demands? Spoiler — it's not easy, but it's worth it.32.13 — **The AAO White Paper on Pediatric Sleep Disordered Breathing**A candid breakdown of what the updated white paper gets right — and where it falls short. We discuss the dismissal of craniofacial phenotypes, the role of CBCT, the spectrum of SDB beyond OSA, and the troubling contradictions within the paper's own cited references.54:25 — **CBCT in Everyday Practice**How CBCT is used not just for diagnosis, but as a communication tool — with ENTs, with parents, and with patients themselves. When patients can see their own airway on screen, they become partners in their care.1:16:31 — **Extractions & Airway: The Real Conversation**It's not the extraction itself — it's the failure to diagnose and address the underlying skeletal issue. A thoughtful breakdown of why this debate is often argued on the wrong terms, including a close look at the Larson article frequently cited by AAO leadership.1:23:00 — **Not Everyone Has to Practice This Way — And That's Okay**A mature and respectful take on the diversity of orthodontic practice. Not every provider needs to be an airway orthodontist — but everyone should be aware enough to recognize it and refer when they see it.1:27:59 — **Closing Thoughts**Why this work is "the most rewarding thing you will ever do in your life" — and a call to keep the conversation going, keep the community growing, and keep moving the needle. Connect: Capps Orthodontics Website: https://cappsortho.com/ Email Dr. Capps: drc@capsorthodontics.comJoin The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/Enroll in one-on-one coaching w/Dr. Mike: https://theorthocoach.com/doc-coaching/ Dr. Gozal Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-irreversible-consequences-of-pediatric/id1689703392?i=1000758827479 If this episode resonated with you, please share it with a colleague. That's how we move the needle together!

    1hr 31min
  7. Creating Margin in Your Schedule & Your Bank Account (w/Dr. David Phelps) [Ep.151]

    9 APR

    Creating Margin in Your Schedule & Your Bank Account (w/Dr. David Phelps) [Ep.151]

    Episode Summary In this powerful episode, I sit down with Dr. David Phelps, dentist turned financial freedom educator, real estate investor, and founder of Freedom Founders. Both of us retired from our clinical practices in our mid-40s and share remarkably parallel journeys. We dive deep into why earning more won't set you free, how to build genuine margin in your money and your time, the danger of tying your identity to your profession, and why having hard conversations with your spouse about money is the most important financial move you can make. Dr. Phelps also shares the deeply personal story of his daughter's battle with leukemia and a liver transplant, and how a family health crisis became the catalyst for his financial freedom journey. Key Topics Covered Why income alone will never create freedom, and what willThe power of living below your means and compounding savings over timeWhat your schedule says about how "free" you really areHow to have honest money conversations with your spouseThe negotiables and non-negotiables every couple needs to define togetherLetting go of your identity as "the doctor" when stepping away from practiceRecognizing and recovering from burnoutWhy starting small is the only way to start at allBuilding passive income outside the practice as a path to optionalityTimestamps 0:23 — Episode introduction: Dr. Mike introduces Dr. David Phelps and his mission to help professionals achieve financial freedom4:08 — Dr. Phelps' background: growing up an entrepreneur and why dentistry appealed to him7:41 — First real estate investment in dental school: partnering with his dad to buy a property and discovering the power of assets12:00 — The question that changes everything: how both doctors ended up retiring from clinical practice in their mid-40s12:16 — Dr. Phelps shares his daughter's diagnosis with high-risk leukemia and the years of treatment that followed17:06 — Update: his daughter is now 34 and thriving — and the pride of escorting her at her high school homecoming after her recovery23:32 — Dr. Mike's parallel story: how COVID forced him to stop, sleep, and gain perspective on his own life and career36:22 — Identity crisis: what happens when your profession IS your identity — and why that's dangerous37:16 — Dr. Mike reflects on never feeling fully comfortable being "Dr. Mike" in the community40:33 — How to begin building an identity beyond the chair — before you leave it45:06 — The two types of margin every professional needs: money and time46:12 — "Income is not wealth": why trading time for dollars will never get you free47:41 — Why most high-income earners don't budget — and the cost of that habit1:04:44 — Burnout is real: what's driving it in healthcare today and why young doctors are saying they only want to work five years1:24:12 — Dr. Phelps' closing advice: start small, be consistent, and let compounding do the work1:28:32 — Where to find Dr. Phelps: Freedom Founders Podcast, YouTube, and freedomfounders.com LINKS:  Freedom Founders Podcast: https://www.freedomfounders.com/podcast/?_ga=2.77650064.549393833.1775698798-1177225500.1774543265Website:  https://www.freedomfounders.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@drdphelps Join The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/The DOC Podcast w/Dr. Brett Gilbert on mental health & burnout: https://youtu.be/LakpR7XiS9U

    1hr 30min
  8. The Irreversible Consequences of Pediatric Airway Disease (w/Dr. David Gozal) [Ep.150]

    2 APR

    The Irreversible Consequences of Pediatric Airway Disease (w/Dr. David Gozal) [Ep.150]

    Episode Summary In this episode, I sit down with Dr. David Gozal for a wide-ranging conversation on pediatric sleep-disordered breathing. We discuss why SDB should be understood as a chronic, lifelong inflammatory disease, not a simple condition with a simple fix.  Dr. Gozal introduces his "Second Best Hypothesis" to explain how brain damage from childhood sleep apnea can be hidden by neural redundancy, only to surface years later. The conversation challenges common assumptions: that snoring in children is benign, that AHI alone can guide treatment decisions, and that adenotonsillectomy reliably cures the disease. We also explore the role of mouth breathing, viral triggers like RSV, and why a multidisciplinary, endotype-driven approach to each patient is essential. Key Takeaways Snoring is never normal - it always signals increased upper airway resistanceSDB is a chronic, lifelong, low-grade inflammatory disease that may begin before birthReversibility of damage is not guaranteed - it depends on severity and durationThe "Second Best Hypothesis": the brain compensates for lost neurons, but at a hidden performance costAHI is just one data point - morbidity must be measured holistically before making treatment decisionsOnly about one-third of children normalize after adenotonsillectomyChildhood SDB may go silent but not away - it can re-emerge in adulthoodMultidisciplinary collaboration and individualized endotyping are criticalTimestamps 0:00 – Intro & Guest Bio3:04 – Dr. Gozal's Background & Career Path9:51 – Philosophy of Giving & Serving Underserved Communities13:36 – SDB Is Not a Single Disease14:28 – "Snoring Is Not Normal"14:53 – SDB as a Chronic, Lifelong Inflammatory Disease17:09 – The Myth of Universal Reversibility19:35 – Oxidative Stress, Stem Cells & Accelerated Aging23:36 – The "Second Best Hypothesis" & the Backpack Analogy25:00 – Gray Matter Loss in Children with Normal Cognition27:47 – SDB Is a Syndrome, Not Just a Lab Value30:29 – "We Do Not Measure Morbidity"32:51 – Only a Third Normalize After Adenotonsillectomy35:39 – Phenotyping with AI & Machine Learning38:39 – RSV, Viruses & the Inflammatory Cascade40:30 – Does Childhood SDB Really Disappear?43:18 – Chronic Mouth Breathing: Harmless or Harmful?48:52 – The Multidisciplinary Mandate & Radar Plot Endotyping49:29 – Closing ThoughtsLINKS: Join The DOC Community on Facebook for more great content and discussions: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1Cb9rkQVde/Check out the DOC CE Courses: https://theorthocoach.com/ce-courses/Enroll in one-on-one coaching w/Dr. Mike: https://theorthocoach.com/doc-coaching/ Enjoyed This Episode? If you found this conversation valuable, please share it with a colleague, friend, or anyone who works with children's airway health — the more people who hear this message, the better outcomes we can create for our patients. And if you feel we've earned it, we'd truly appreciate a five-star review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify — it helps more listeners discover the show and keeps these important conversations going. Thank you for being part of the DOC community!

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The DOC Podcast brings you unique educational content taught by Dr. Mike DeLuke, a Board Certified Orthodontist with over 20 years of clinical and academic experience. Dr. DeLuke built his orthodontic practice from scratch in the early 2000s and grew it into a multimillion-dollar enterprise in less than 10 years. He was able to retire from his private practice at the age of 46 years old, and now devotes his energy to teaching his colleagues how to succeed both personally and professionally. He also provides locum tenens coverage for colleagues in South Florida. Dr. DeLuke has served as a faculty member at numerous hospitals and orthodontic residency programs around the country, including as the cleft craniofacial orthodontist at Albany Medical Center in New York, and as a clinical professor at The University of Connecticut in the Department of Orthodontics. He is presently an adjunct professor in the Department of Pediatric Dentistry at Healthcare Network and a Visiting Professor in the Department of Orthodontics at Montefiore Einstein Hospital in the Bronx. The DOC Podcast will bring you in-depth discussions and interviews with industry leaders and experts on a variety of topics, including clinical excellence, practice management, finance and wealth creation, health and wellness, taxes and accounting, fitness, and much more!

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  • Creator
    DeLuke Orthodontic Coaching, LLC
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    158
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 DeLuke Orthodontic Coaching, LLC
  • Show Website
    The DOC Podcast

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