This is episode 5 of BAMEOTUK 'Let's Talk' podcast series. This episode we are exploring institutional racism and occupational therapy. A scintillating discussion. So much to talk about, before we even get to the questions around the topic we get distracted by a discussion about identity, but then we do get down to business. Find out why I asked the guys to bring their chests to the screen at the end.... . Nowhere in any of the extracts below is there any uncomfortable discussions about the organisations themselves, and partner occupational therapy professional bodies', contribution to the status quo of institutional racism and its consequences for the members and the citizens they serve. So, 3 academics got together to discuss this topic in a podcast: Dave Thomas (@DaveThomasOT), Jumaan Siman, Mish Ahmed-Landeryou (@LecturerMish). . Extract from World Federation of Occupational Therapists Statement on Systemic Racism: "The World Federation of Occupational Therapists (WFOT) condemns systemic racism and stands in solidarity with the global Black Lives Matter movement. Throughout its history, WFOT has published, led, and advocated for human rights, diversity, and cultural safety. It has also challenged and campaigned for change at a systems level, for example, strengthening its commitment to human rights with greater emphasis within education and the Minimum Standards for the Education of Occupational Therapists (2016). But we also recognise that this is not enough". . Extract from RCOT statement on systemic racism, fully supports WFOT, (24 June 2020): "The Royal College of Occupational Therapists (RCOT) fully supports the statement from the World Federation of Occupational Therapists (WFOT) on standing in solidarity with the global Black Lives Matter movement and condemning systemic racism. The statement issued on 19 June 2020 outlines that systemic racism is an abuse of human rights and addressing it needs to be a global priority. WFOT highlights that it is imperative that occupational therapists address the systemic discrimination, oppression and injustices that are pervasive in health and social services around the world." . Additional resources: -'Systemic Racism in Occupational Therapy: Dealing with Skeletons in Our Closet' - Frank Kronenberg (2020) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwIcdG65e5k&feature=youtu.be . Grenier, M.L., (2020), Cultural competency and the reproduction of White supremacy in occupational therapy education, Health Education Journal, 79(6) 633–644, DOI: i.org/10.1177/0017896920902515 . Nelson, A., (2007), Seeing white: a critical exploration of occupational therapy with Indigenous Australian people, Occupational Therapy International, 14(4): 237–255, Occupational Therapy International 14(4): 237–255 DOI: 10.1002/oti.236