Beyond Referrals

Emily Armstrong
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Beyond Referrals is a podcast for leaders of client service firms navigating a rapidly changing industry. Hosted by brand strategist and founder of Wonderlab Strategy Emily Armstrong, the show features curious, honest conversations about modernization, disruption, and what it takes to grow beyond referral-only models in an era of rapid digitization. Not fluff. Not hype. Beyond Referrals blends forward-thinking industry conversations with tangible frameworks and actionable guidance — helping firm leaders adapt, build trust, and make better strategic decisions.

  1. 18 hrs ago

    Your Referrals Are Running Dry: My Breakdown of the 2026 Kitces Marketing Study | Beyond Referrals Episode 35

    IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: Why the fastest growing advisory practices get less referrals  What the “referral coasting zone” is and why it’s quietly the most dangerous place for an established practice to be Why asking for referrals more often makes them less efficient, and what to do instead Why a clear niche is the biggest single lever for referrals, marketing, and COIs How target market COIs open up growth beyond CPAs and estate attorneys Why your LinkedIn should work like a landing page for your ideal client, not a billboard about you A real client story: from cold calling 130 prospects a day to booking meetings straight off LinkedIn in six months Emily breaks down the 2026 Kitces Research study, How Financial Planners Actually Market Their Services, with her own take on what it means for established advisors heading into 2027. 📄 Read the full Kitces study here: https://www.kitces.com/kitces-report-financial-planner-advisor-marketing-tactics-strategies-referrals-centers-influence-networking/  Want to look at your business development strategy together? Reach out to emily@wonderlabstrategy.com  Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

  2. Nov 4

    Mentored by Al Granum, Built a Billion-Dollar Firm: What He Says Matters Most Now w/ John Gatewood | Beyond Referrals Episode 34

    IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU’LL LEARN: What Al Granum, the father of our industry, actually taught John about emotion, motivation, and why information alone never moves people to act Why the future of the advisor is digital fluency plus human mastery, and what that means in practice The communication skills that create clients who refer, advocate, and never leave Why silence in a meeting is one of the most powerful tools an advisor has, and why most advisors are terrible at it How to build an idea bank and use stories, visuals, analogies, and drawings to make your advice actually land The Margaret story, a $6.2 million lesson in connection before content How AI should change the way advisors prepare for every single meeting John Gatewood spent decades as a top advisor at Northwestern Mutual, was personally mentored by Al Granum, and is now the author of The Listening Advisor: Winning Loyal Clients Through Authentic Human Connection. He is the founder of The Listening Advisor training company, where he offers keynotes, workshops, and individual and group coaching for advisors who want to become elite communicators. Learn more and book John at thelisteningadvisor.com  Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy  Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

  3. Oct 28

    The Referability Roadmap: Turning Referrals from a Hope into a Strategy w/ Bill Utnage | Beyond Referrals Episode 33

    IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: You’ve been in the business ten-plus years. The referrals keep coming, but they aren’t the clients you actually want, and because referrals are your only pipeline, you can’t say no. So you hire more people to service them, and the business gets heavier instead of better. In this episode, I talk about why so many established advisors drift into passive growth, and why the answer isn’t going back to the grind. Then Bill Utnage, who built and sold service businesses on referrals, shares how he built a small, highly trained team that outperformed bigger competitors by going an inch wide and a mile deep. In this episode: Why established advisors stop prospecting, and what it costs them The passive trap: taking whatever walks in the door Going wide vs. going deep, and why bigger teams aren’t the only path Why clarity has to come before any referral system Connect with Bill · Get his book Referability Roadmap free at Damascus Road Referral Systems (just cover shipping) Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want help building your own growth playbook? Email Emily at emily@wonderlabstrategy.com

  4. Oct 21

    33 Things I’ve Learned in 33 Years of Life | Beyond Referrals Episode 32

    IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR: Why simplicity is a business strategy, not just an aesthetic How confidence actually works, and why action comes before it, not after The real cost of where you direct your attention Why discipline separates people with great ideas from people who act on them What happens when you hold your dreams loosely This is a solo episode recorded for Emily’s 33rd birthday. No guest, no structure, just 33 honest lessons from 33 years of living, building, and figuring it out. The kind of thing she’d say to a friend over coffee. Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

  5. Oct 14

    Build, Scale, Sell: How Nathan Parkhouse Sold His RIA at 4.25x Recurring Revenue with Seven Offers on the Table w/ Nathan Parkhouse | Beyond Referrals Episode 31

    IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: How Nathan built his practice from the ground up and sold it at 4.25 times recurring revenue with seven offers on the table How he crushed it with in-person seminars early on and what that era of building actually looked like The difference between a capacity problem and a follow-through problem, and why most advisors misdiagnose which one they have How the transfer of trust works when clients start relying on your team instead of just you The difference between building a lifestyle practice and building an enterprise, and why AI means you may not have to choose How to remove yourself as the bottleneck to your own growth Nathan Parkhouse built a practice from the ground up and sold it at 4.25 times recurring revenue with seven offers on the table. Today he coaches advisors on removing themselves as the bottleneck to growth,  helping them build practices that are both valuable enterprises and great lives. To connect with Nathan, find him on LinkedIn. Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

  6. Oct 7

    Legends Only: Phil Bender on Peak Performance, Prospecting, and Being a Savage | Beyond Referrals Episode 30

    IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: Why peak performance as a leader starts with presence, not tactics or metrics, and what that actually looks like in practiceHow to prospect like a fiduciary financial planner, and why that reframe changes everything about who you attract and how relationships beginWhat it takes to keep growing, keep competing, and keep showing up at the highest level in this industryPhil's perspective on how financial services has evolved across nearly three decades, and where it is goingThe human story behind one of the most well-known leaders and executive coaches in the industry Phil Bender spent 29 years as a Managing Partner at a Fortune 100 firm and is one of the most respected executive coaches and leaders in financial services. He is the founder of Sea Captain Performance and the kind of person you want in your orbit, with a podcast, multiple books, and a body of work that is worth your time.To connect with Phil, find him on LinkedIn and visit Sea Captain Performance. Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

  7. Sep 30

    Advisor Marketing Made Simple with Kendra Wright | Beyond Referrals Episode 29

    IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: Why differentiation starts with unlearning who you think you need to be as an advisor How to think about your marketing funnel in three simple questions, no automation required Why niching doesn't just attract better clients, it develops IP and competitive advantages nobody else can replicate How to choose the right channel for your specific ideal client instead of trying to be everywhere What a compliance-friendly marketing strategy actually looks like in practice Why specificity is the engine behind every advisor who has built a standout brand Kendra Wright is the founder of Rebel Media Agency and one of the most respected marketing minds in the financial advisory space. Michael Kitces credited her with driving a 58% lift in his growth rate. Carl Richards called her a marketing unicorn. She has worked with hundreds of advisors and built a reputation for making marketing feel simple, strategic, and actually doable. Go follow Kendra and her podcast, Advisor Marketing Made Simple. And if you are serious about your marketing, reach out to Rebel Media Agency. To connect with Kendra, find her on LinkedIn or visit Rebel Media Agency. Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

  8. Sep 23

    The Local Empire: How Csenge Advisory Group is Building a $4B Multigenerational Practice That Clients Fly In For w/ Jack Csenge, CFP® | Beyond Referrals Episode 28

    IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: What the dream practice actually looks like, and how Jack built it How Csenge Advisory Group is using AI across client screening, meeting prep, follow-up, execution, and even client gifts, and doing it right Why you should be revisiting and reevaluating your tech stack every single year The philosophy of just helping the client in front of you, and how AI makes that possible How live events have become one of the most powerful growth and retention strategies in the firm, with clients flying in from across the country to attend What to look for when hiring in an AI-first world and why interpersonal skills matter more than ever alongside technical ones What a multigenerational practice actually looks like and why deep local roots combined with a nationwide client base is a rare and powerful combination Jack Csenge, CFP® is a leader of Csenge Advisory Group, one of the most well-known and admired wealth management practices in their area with a $4 billion multigenerational client base. His dad started the firm and Jack has built it into something truly special. Want Jack's recommended tech stack list? Reach out to Emily directly and she will send it to you. To connect with Jack, find him on LinkedIn. Connect more with Emily:  Free Advisor Brand Assessment Emily's LinkedIn Emily's Instagram Emily's YouTube Channel Wonderlab Strategy Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com

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Beyond Referrals is a podcast for leaders of client service firms navigating a rapidly changing industry. Hosted by brand strategist and founder of Wonderlab Strategy Emily Armstrong, the show features curious, honest conversations about modernization, disruption, and what it takes to grow beyond referral-only models in an era of rapid digitization. Not fluff. Not hype. Beyond Referrals blends forward-thinking industry conversations with tangible frameworks and actionable guidance — helping firm leaders adapt, build trust, and make better strategic decisions.

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  • Creator
    Emily Armstrong
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    36
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Emily Armstrong
  • Show Website
    Beyond Referrals

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