Blue Sky

Bill Burke

Hosted by Bill Burke, founder of The Optimism Institute, this weekly podcast will feature inspiring leaders, authors, researchers, and big thinkers who are taking on some of our world's toughest challenges with an infectious sense of optimism. Blue Sky takes its name from the meditation reminder that there's always blue sky above, sometimes you just have to get your head above the clouds to see it.

  1. Lynda Ulrich and Liesl Ulrich-Verderber on Optimism and Their Drive to Create the Goodness Exchange

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    Lynda Ulrich and Liesl Ulrich-Verderber on Optimism and Their Drive to Create the Goodness Exchange

    Lynda Ulrich and her daughter Liesl Ulrich-Verderber are the mother-daughter team behind the Goodness Exchange, a global positive-news platform founded in 2014 to help people cut through today's negative nose with research-backed, solutions-focused storytelling. On this Blue Sky episode, they describe how they came to their optimistic outlooks at different stages of their lives and have managed to work together to create a remarkable platform for hopeful and uplifting stories.    Chapters: 00:00 Are Optimists Born or Made?  Bill Burke introduces the mother-daughter team, Dr. Lynda Ulrich and Liesl Ulrich-Verderber, co-founders of The Goodness Exchange. Lynda shares how a childhood tragedy, coupled with her parents' optimistic worldview, led her to choose to see the good in the world from a young age.  04:22 From Jaded to Optimist  Liesl describes her journey from a 'jaded Harvard student' to an optimist, influenced by working with her mother on The Goodness Exchange's positive content. Lynda discusses how she encouraged her children to 'change their state' and choose their perspective when facing adversity, modeling this through their family's extensive global travels.  08:05 The Power of Travel  Lynda and Liesl reflect on how their extensive world travels, even to uncomfortable places, broadened their perspectives and fueled their optimism. Liesl emphasizes seeing both the vast differences and similarities in how people live globally, fostering connections across cultures and expanding comfort zones.  12:30 The Digital Divide and Disinformation  Lynda explains her transition from dentistry to founding The Goodness Exchange, motivated by patients' increasing fear and negativity towards the future post-2010, linking it to negative news and social media. Liesl attributes this shift to the early, unregulated development of social media by young creators and a general lack of digital literacy, but notes a growing trend among younger generations to disengage from platforms that negatively impact them.  17:42 Battling Digital Overload  Bill and Lynda discuss the unhealthy constant consumption of negative information through smartphones and social media, highlighting how clicks on alarming content inadvertently 'vote' for more of it.   22:30 Unplugging and Community  Liesl, specializing in EdTech, advocates for removing phones from classrooms to foster community and better learning, viewing technology as a tool for connection rather than a constant distraction.   30:01 The Goodness Exchange's Evolution  Lynda recounts starting The Goodness Exchange (originally Ever Widening Circles) as a blog to counter the world's negativity she observed in her dental practice, writing daily articles about positive stories. Liesl, upon graduating from Harvard, decided to join, seeing it as a way to transition her mother's passion into a sustainable and impactful publishing and media company focused on rigorously sourced positive content.  33:05 Rats to the Rescue!  The Goodness Exchange primarily publishes positive news articles, a bi-weekly newsletter, and the 'Conspiracy of Goodness' podcast, focusing on engaging content formats as people skim rather than read.   41:02 AI in Education: Educated Bravery  Liesl expresses excitement about AI in education, particularly tools like Khanmigo and Magic School AI, which move beyond cheating fears to empower teachers and students.   48:13 Bridging Generational Gaps  Lynda shares an analogy about intergenerational collaboration, where her long life provides a broad 'back of the Earth' perspective, while Liesl, standing on the 'edge,' sees what's coming in the future.

    54 min
  2. From Prison to PhD, the Inspiring Life and Work of Dr. Stanley Andrisse

    JAN 28

    From Prison to PhD, the Inspiring Life and Work of Dr. Stanley Andrisse

    Before Stan Andrisse was sentenced to ten years in prison for a Class A drug felony, the prosecutor had asked for a life sentence, suggesting that the defendant was irredeemable.  In the years since, Stan, now "Dr. Andrisse" has proved this attorney and many others wrong.  While in prison, he discovered an interest in science and endocrinology and today is a tenured professor at the Howard University College of Medicine.  To create similar opportunities and career paths for others who are or have been incarcerated, he founded the nonprofit From Prison Cells to PhD.    Chapters:   00:00 Introduction to Dr. Stan Andrisse  This chapter introduces Dr. Stan Andrisse a tenured faculty member at Howard University and the founder of "From Prison Cells to PhD."   02:40 Early Life and Incarceration  Dr. Andrisse discusses his childhood in Ferguson, Missouri, and how he became involved in illegal activities from a young age. He describes his progression from minor trouble to serious drug dealing, leading to multiple felony convictions and facing a potential life sentence under the three-strikes law.  07:58 The Incarceration of the Mind  Stan reflects on the profound psychological impact of being labeled a career criminal and facing a lengthy prison sentence. He emphasizes that the 'incarceration of the mind' is more damaging than physical imprisonment and describes how a mentor helped him begin to overcome this despair.  12:58 Mentor and Path to Education  Stan details the pivotal role of Dr. Barry Bodie, who supported him during his sentencing and continued to mentor him in prison. He explains how reading scientific articles, prompted by his father's death from diabetes, liberated his mind and ignited his passion for science, leading to his acceptance into St. Louis University despite multiple rejections.  22:33 Talent, Opportunity, and Innovation  Stan discusses his philosophy that talent is evenly distributed, but opportunity is not, using his own journey as an example. He highlights the untapped brilliance within incarcerated individuals, arguing that with resources and opportunities, their innovative problem-solving skills could benefit society greatly.  28:40 From Prison Cells to PhD: The Organization  Stan explains how his personal transformation inspired the creation of "From Prison Cells to PhD," a nonprofit scaling the mentorship and resource provision he received. He shares the organization's three core tenets: peer mentorship, community building, and connecting people to resources, detailing its significant success in helping formerly incarcerated individuals pursue higher education and careers.  34:07 Impact and Pen Pal Program  Stan discusses the remarkable matriculation and GPA rates of participants in his "From Prison Cells to PhD" program. He explains how the organization reaches incarcerated individuals through partnerships with correctional facilities and its impactful pen pal program, which provides a vital connection to the outside world and instills hope, preventing recidivism.  41:35 The Drive to Succeed and Give Back  Stan highlights the unique motivation and grit of formerly incarcerated individuals, driven by a desire to prove their worth and contribute positively to society. He notes that their experiences with hardship often translate into loyalty, hard work, and a commitment to making communities better and safer.  45:29 Breaking Chains, Building Futures, and Final Thoughts  Stan discusses his new book, "Breaking Chains, Building Futures," which features diverse stories of individuals helped by his organization.  He encourages listeners to support "From Prison Cells to PhD" through their website and social media, emphasizing the continued inspiration he draws from his father's motto: "It's Never Too Late to Do Good."

    54 min
  3. Kevin Lowe on How He Found Hope After Losing His Sight

    JAN 21

    Kevin Lowe on How He Found Hope After Losing His Sight

    Kevin Lowe has come a long way since he was seventeen years old and lost his eyesight during a medical procedure gone wrong. In this Blue Sky conversation, Kevin describes how he's rallied from this devastating event to live a life full of resilience, purpose, and optimism.  This episode concludes with a surprise musical feature, courtesy of Kevin himself.    00:00 Kevin Lowe's Childhood & Early Life  Kevin Lowe shares insights into his childhood in East Central Florida, highlighting a carefree upbringing centered around outdoor activities with his cousin Josh. He also opens up about his parents' divorce in second grade and the significant role his grandmother played in his life.  04:46 Loss of Sight and Other Complications  Kevin recounts the discovery of a plum-sized brain tumor at 17, which, though non-cancerous, posed a life-threatening risk. He describes the traumatic surgery that led to complete blindness, loss of smell, short-term memory loss, and a permanently damaged pituitary gland.  11:02 Journey Through Grief and Despair  Kevin candidly discusses the profound sadness and despair he experienced after losing his sight, describing it as being 'trapped in hell.' He reveals his nightly prayers for his sight to return and even for the courage to end his life, ultimately finding strength in his faith and family.  15:04 Perseverance and New Beginnings  Kevin shares his journey of rebuilding his life, including his determination to graduate with his high school class despite his blindness. He discusses his internships in travel and radio, which eventually led him to start his own travel agency, Better Days Travel, and his pivotal realization from an audiobook to embrace life despite his challenges.  23:12 The Podcast: Grit, Grace, and Inspiration  Kevin talks about how the 2020 pandemic and his sister's suggestion led him to start podcasting, a medium he quickly realized he was 'designed for.' He details his podcast, Grit, Grace, & Inspiration, which focuses on sharing stories of overcoming adversity and inspiring others, encapsulated by his tagline 'turning setbacks into stages.'  31:54 Technological Advancements and Echolocation  Kevin highlights how technology, particularly the iPhone with its voiceover feature and apps like Apple's 'Be My Eyes,' has significantly improved his life. He also fascinatingly explains how he learned echolocation, a skill that allows him to perceive his surroundings through sound, giving his world shape again.  42:20 Advice and Gratitude  Kevin expresses gratitude for his seventeen years of sight, which aids his interpretation of the world, despite being a 'picky blind person' about colors. He offers heartfelt advice to those facing setbacks: 'give yourself grace' and remember that 'it's going to get easier, it's going to get better.'  45:20 Blue Sky Above - A Musical Surprise  The host discusses the inspiring technological advancements and echolocation techniques Kevin shared. As a special surprise, Kevin produced an original song, 'Blue Sky Above,' which is played to close the episode.

    51 min
  4. ENCORE PRESENTATION: TED Leader Chris Anderson on His New Book, Infectious Generosity, and Why He Believes That Now Is the Time for Us All to "Reclaim the Internet" for Good

    JAN 14

    ENCORE PRESENTATION: TED Leader Chris Anderson on His New Book, Infectious Generosity, and Why He Believes That Now Is the Time for Us All to "Reclaim the Internet" for Good

    Chris Anderson was inspired by the growth of TED once they expanded from being simply a conference company to adding the concept of offering their talks free to the world over the internet.   He's now calling on us all to "reclaim the internet" and use it as a force for spreading less hate and division and more kindness and generosity.  His new book, Infectious Generosity, lays out clearly the reasons why generosity is good for the world — as well as for us as individuals — then details a plan by which this movement can spread virally.  Chris's views on these subjects are aligned perfectly with the work of The Optimism institute and he shares them with great enthusiasm in this uplifting and inspiring episode of Blue Sky.    Chapters:  00:00 Welcome Chris Anderson to Blue Sky  Bill Burke welcomes Chris Anderson, head of TED, to the Blue Sky Podcast. Chris discusses his new book, "Infectious Generosity," and his mission to use the internet as a force for good, combating online division.  02:14 TED's Impact and TEDx's Success  Chris shares how TED made its videos freely available online, which surprisingly enhanced the conference rather than hurting it. He explains the success of TEDx, a free licensing model that enabled 65,000 volunteers to create events globally, generating billions of views.  06:00 The Internet's Downfall and Human Nature  Chris discusses how the internet, especially social media, went astray, preying on our 'lizard brains' and promoting outrage.   11:47 Generosity and Happiness  Chris explains the deep connection between generosity and happiness, citing a Chinese proverb that highlights helping others as a path to lifelong joy. He emphasizes that while the internet can be negative, it also offers a powerful tool for spreading positive change.  15:57 Reclaiming the Internet: Tactics  Chris discusses tactics for reclaiming the internet, focusing on making 'good stuff' go viral by evoking authentic human emotion. He uses the example of 'The Kindness Pandemic' Facebook group and highlights the need for creativity and courage to break through online negativity.  21:09 Our Role in Shaping Social Media  Chris emphasizes that users are not helpless in shaping their social media experience, stressing the importance of conscious choices in who to follow and what content to engage with.   27:47 The Uniqueness of Our Time and Generosity Strategy  Chris highlights the unique historical moment that allows for widespread generosity due to frictionless digital sharing and its reputation-building power.   33:06 Embracing Imperfect Generosity and Gratitude  Chris encourages letting go of the idea of 'perfect generosity,' urging celebration of all motivations behind giving, even those with mixed intentions.   39:25 Podcast Recommendation and Host Reflections  Bill Burke recommends 'Two Lives,' a character-driven narrative podcast about overcoming darkness, which has received several awards.  42:21 Neuroplasticity, Optimism, and AI for Good  Chris discusses neuroplasticity and how our narratives shape us, emphasizing that kindness, like a muscle, grows with exercise. He introduces the Infectious Generosity Guru (TIG), an AI tool designed to help individuals brainstorm ways to spread generosity online.  49:15 A Vision for a Better Future  Chris outlines his continued work with TED, focusing on the Audacious Project to collaboratively fund large-scale change initiatives. He emphasizes that optimism is a stance—a determined effort to find and illuminate pathways to a better future, urging collective action to reclaim the internet and inspire change.

    54 min
  5. ENCORE PRESENTATION: NYT Bestselling Author Matt Ridley on His Motivation to Write The Rational Optimist and Why He Believes That Human Prosperity Will Inevitably Continue to Increase

    JAN 7

    ENCORE PRESENTATION: NYT Bestselling Author Matt Ridley on His Motivation to Write The Rational Optimist and Why He Believes That Human Prosperity Will Inevitably Continue to Increase

    Matt Ridley's seminal book, The Rational Optimist, has inspired many since its publication in 2010 and greatly influenced the creation of The Optimism Institute.  In this far-ranging discussion, Matt will describe an early education that he said was steeped in pessimism but how later in life he found that much of what he'd been taught was simply not true.  This led him to set on a nearly evangelical quest to spread the word that interaction and trade between people and nations, including the free exchange of ideas, will continue to set us on an inexorable path towards increasing prosperity.    Chapters:  00:00 Introducing Matt Ridley  Bill Burke introduces Matt Ridley, acclaimed author of "The Rational Optimist" and other influential books. He highlights Ridley's extensive background, including his service in the House of Lords and his work on various scientific committees.  02:39 From Pessimism to Rational Optimism  Matt Ridley shares his personal journey from a pessimistic upbringing in the 1970s to becoming a 'rational optimist' based on evidence. He recounts how his research for 'The Rational Optimist' revealed that many assumed negative trends, like decreasing happiness with wealth, were actually false.  06:01 The Genesis of "The Rational Optimist"  Ridley explains his evangelical motivation for writing 'The Rational Optimist,' aiming to counter pervasive doom and gloom, especially among young people. He also sought to explore the evolutionary roots of human prosperity and growth, driven by an innate curiosity about why the world was improving.  07:28 Ideas Have Sex: Cooperation and Trade  Matt Ridley delves into his concept of "ideas having sex," explaining how human cooperation, trade, and the exchange of specialized skills drive prosperity. He posits that this fundamental human tendency to swap goods and ideas is as crucial to cultural evolution as sex is to natural evolution.  13:50 Social Media's Impact: Polarization and Progress  Ridley reflects on social media's impact on his 'ideas having sex' theory, acknowledging its initial promise for communication but also its role in political polarization.   19:29 Panglossian vs. Rational Optimism  Ridley distinguishes his rational optimism from Panglossian optimism, emphasizing that he believes the world can and should be improved, not that it's already perfect. He counters common pessimistic arguments by pointing to long-term improvements in living standards and the gradual nature of good news compared to sudden bad news.  23:56 Trust and the Pencil's Lesson  Matt Ridley discusses the importance of interpersonal trust for societal prosperity, contrasting it with institutional trust. He also elaborates on the 'I, Pencil' essay, illustrating how millions of specialized individuals unknowingly collaborate to produce even a simple item like a pencil.  33:15 Gratitude, Specialization, and Daily Miracles  Ridley encourages gratitude for the vast network of people who contribute to our daily lives, using the example of a simple meal.   36:50 Climate Change: A Problem to Be Solved  Matt Ridley shares his nuanced perspective on climate change, acknowledging it as a real threat but cautioning against panic and exaggeration. He suggests viewing it as a problem solvable through human ingenuity, while also highlighting the overlooked environmental benefits of CO2 and the harm caused by some climate prevention measures.  42:51 The Future of Innovation: Worries and Hopes  Ridley discusses the limitless nature of knowledge and innovation, emphasizing communication over population size for progress.

    50 min
  6. Amy King's Innovative and Optimistic Approach to Solving Homelessness in America

    2025-12-31

    Amy King's Innovative and Optimistic Approach to Solving Homelessness in America

    Amy King watched the devastating aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and seeing people sheltered in a leaking football stadium inspired her to work with her husband on shelter solutions.  The result was Pallet, a company that makes safe, secure, and easily assembled temporary shelters.  In this episode she shares her inspiring story and details about her remarkable company.    Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Amy King and Pallet  This chapter introduces Amy King, founder and CEO of Pallet, a public benefit corporation addressing homelessness.  02:07 From Child Psychology to Social Enterprise  Amy King shares her journey from studying child psychology, where she observed the impact of troubled homes, to founding Pallet. Her interest in people and the influence of early experiences shaped her path toward addressing societal challenges like homelessness.  04:37 The Genesis of Pallet: From Katrina to Construction  Amy discusses how her husband's construction company accidentally led them to employ individuals from the justice system, many of whom had experienced homelessness.   07:19 Public Benefit Corporation Model  Amy explains why Pallet operates as a public benefit corporation rather than a nonprofit, emphasizing its dual mission of workforce development and providing shelter.   11:13 Pallet Shelters and Deployment Strategy  Amy describes the innovative design of Pallet shelters—lightweight, panelized, and quick to assemble, with features like heat, AC, and easy cleaning. She details Pallet's partnership with cities and Zillow to identify and utilize vacant public land for shelter villages, which are temporary and designed for easy relocation.  15:35 The Transformative Impact of Pallet Shelters  Amy elaborates on how Pallet shelters provide more than just a roof, offering a managed care environment with wraparound services for mental health, substance use, and housing placement. This stability allows individuals to engage with services and break the cycle of homelessness, as exemplified by a tenant named Matthew.  20:29 Hope for Ending Homelessness & Political Challenges  Amy discusses Pallet's broad reach across the US and Canada and her controversial but hopeful view on ending homelessness. She addresses the political complexities and the need for sufficient services and innovation to address root causes, moving towards 'functional zero' homelessness.  25:57 Disaster Relief and Versatile Solutions  Amy highlights Pallet's role in disaster relief, noting the political challenges of working with organizations like FEMA and the need for non-congregate shelter solutions. She explains the versatility of Pallet's product, which can be repurposed for both disaster response and homelessness, providing flexibility for communities.  31:10 Economic Viability and Community Recovery  Amy discusses the economic benefits of using Pallet shelters for disaster relief, contrasting them with expensive hotel stays and emphasizing the importance of keeping residents near their communities for recovery. This approach helps maintain local economic bases and encourages volunteer participation by providing convenient housing for relief workers.  34:19 Transformative Impact on Individuals and Families  Amy shares her favorite part of the work: witnessing the profound transformation of individuals who gain employment and stability through Pallet. She emphasizes how this not only changes the lives of the employees, many of whom were formerly incarcerated or homeless, but also reunites and positively impacts their families, especially their children.  38:46 Getting Involved with Pallet  Amy encourages listeners to get involved with Pallet by reaching out through their website or email to support their mission. She emphasizes the value of local constituent engagement in driving political conversations and understanding community stakeholders to expand their impact.

    42 min
  7. Empathy Expert Mimi Nicklin Explains Why and How She's Optimistically Attacking the World's Empathy Deficit

    2025-12-17

    Empathy Expert Mimi Nicklin Explains Why and How She's Optimistically Attacking the World's Empathy Deficit

    Mimi Nicklin left a successful career as a marketing executive to take on the task of educating the world on the value and power of empathy.  In this episode, Mimi describes the alarming "empathy deficit," its root causes, and practical strategies like self-empathy and "ALUR" (Authenticity, Listening, Understanding, Recognition) that she espouses to reconnect our workplaces and world.    Chapters: 00:00 Mimi Nicklin's Global Journey  Mimi Nicklin, a British native, has spent nearly two decades living and working across Asia Pacific and the Middle East, finding her passion and purpose in this part of the world. Her extensive international travel and diverse cultural experiences have significantly shaped her perspective on human connection and understanding, laying the groundwork for her specialization in empathy.  04:19 The Empathy Lightbulb Moment  Mimi's journey into empathy began when a business coach questioned if her leadership style was intuition or empathy, sparking a personal revelation. This led her to discover the 'empathy deficit,' a significant societal issue that no one seemed to be addressing in 2019, prompting her to dedicate her work to this crucial topic.  08:56 Causes of Empathy Deficit  Empathy has declined by 48% in the last 30 years, a critical issue for human survival, not just thriving. Mimi identifies urbanization, digitization, and overwhelming stress and anxiety as the primary root causes of this global empathy deficit, which impacts our ability to access empathetic parts of the brain.  12:32 Connectivity Paradox and Fear  Despite increased physical proximity in cities and the promise of social media, people feel more disconnected and lonely than ever, a paradox Mimi attributes to a fundamental lack of understanding. This disconnection is largely driven by subconscious fear, exacerbated by the constant influx of overwhelming information from 24/7 news, leading people to retreat into their 'tribes' for safety.  17:13 The Power of Self-Empathy  Mimi introduces 'self-empathy' as a crucial, yet untrending, skill for understanding oneself and managing overwhelming external information. She shares a personal example of choosing not to watch the news to protect her mental well-being, emphasizing that this ability to understand personal limits is vital in a world largely beyond individual control.  22:10 Balancing Humanism and Capitalism  Mimi argues that balancing humanism and capitalism is not difficult but underutilized, emphasizing that growth and profit can and should go hand-in-hand with human well-being. She highlights that organizations with engaged and empathetic cultures achieve higher profits, engagement, and innovation, underscoring that humanism is a driver of business success, not an impediment.  25:37 The Art of Listening-Led Leadership  Mimi stresses the critical importance of active, intentional listening in leadership, noting that many leaders are unaware of their own listening deficiencies. True listening, she explains, involves decoding information to understand, rather than merely hearing or preparing a reply, and is fundamental for empathy, innovation, and collaboration within teams.  32:06 Patience, Presence, and Pace  Mimi highlights patience and presence as essential pillars for authentic listening and achieving long-term goals, contrasting them with the modern rush for instant gratification.   34:48 ALUR: Authenticity, Listening, Understanding, Recognition  Mimi introduces her ALUR framework for leadership: Authenticity, Listening, Understanding, and Recognition, emphasizing that authenticity, rooted in patience and presence, is paramount for genuine connection. \  41:39 The Empathy Empire's Impact  Mimi emphasizes the significant financial and human costs of not listening and disengagement, noting that many employees resign due to poor relationships with their bosses. She describes her 'Empathy Empire' through keynote speaking, writing books like 'The Connection Prescription,' masterclasses, and media work, all aimed at fostering global empathy and balancing humanism with technology.

    48 min
  8. Technology Management Expert Paul Leonardi on Why Technology Exhausts Us and What We Can Do About It

    2025-12-10

    Technology Management Expert Paul Leonardi on Why Technology Exhausts Us and What We Can Do About It

    Paul Leonardi is an expert in technology management and has developed a deep understanding for why today's digital tools—even those that are helpful—can contribute to our growing sense of exhaustion.  Pulling from research he's written about in his book Digital Exhaustion, he explains why this happens and as importantly, what we can do about it.    Chapters: 02:00 Why Digital Exhaustion?  Paul Leonardi discusses his 20-year career helping companies implement new technologies and his observation of the increasing dread people feel towards new tools. He highlights how the solutions to digital overload are not working, leading to widespread exhaustion.  04:36 The Types of Digital Switching  Paul explains three kinds of digital switching: between modalities (apps), domains of work, and arenas (work/home). He emphasizes that these switches, though seemingly innocuous, cause significant cognitive strain and mental exhaustion due to the brain's reorientation time.  07:20 Cumulative Exhaustion and Control  Paul explains that digital exhaustion is a cumulative problem, building slowly over time from seemingly small attention switches.   11:29 Expectations and Response Patterns  Paul discusses how people tend to overestimate the urgency of messages and fall into a 'hero symptom' of quick responses, leading to a vicious cycle. He explains how this creates an exhausting game of chase, where individuals try to outdo each other in fast replies.  14:35 Strategies for Managing Expectations  Paul suggests asking for clarity on urgency and adopting a philosophy of 'waiting' (one hour, one day, one week) to reset response patterns. He also highlights the effectiveness of out-of-office messages and direct communication in setting realistic expectations and reducing perceived urgency.  20:59 Measuring Digital Exhaustion  Paul describes his 'Digital Exhaustion' rating, inspired by the Maslach Burnout Inventory, which measures how much digital tools wear people out. He reveals a precipitous rise in digital exhaustion rates from 2002 to 2022, with major spikes in 2010 (smartphones/social media) and 2021 (pandemic).  26:10 Unforced Errors and Self-Views  Paul discusses 'unforced errors' like sleeping with phones in bed and constantly viewing oneself during video calls, which contribute to exhaustion. He explains how the 'self-view' on video platforms is a metaphor for the constant self-curation and inference-making we do across all online platforms, leading to mental fatigue.  31:08 The Exhaustion of Upward Comparison  Paul references a 1950s Stanford study on upward comparison and how social media amplifies this, leading to exhaustion from comparing oneself to others' curated ideal lives. He discusses how AI will further exacerbate this issue by creating unrealistic avatars for comparison.  36:07 Antidotes and Small Wins  Paul suggests taking online content at face value without extrapolating deeper meanings to combat upward comparison and the stories we create.   42:45 Resonance and Pushback  Paul shares that the most pleasing feedback on his book is the distinction between a sustainable approach to digital exhaustion versus unsustainable digital detoxes. The main pushback he receives is about the 'waiting' strategy, with people fearing it will make them seem impolite or ghosting.

    47 min

About

Hosted by Bill Burke, founder of The Optimism Institute, this weekly podcast will feature inspiring leaders, authors, researchers, and big thinkers who are taking on some of our world's toughest challenges with an infectious sense of optimism. Blue Sky takes its name from the meditation reminder that there's always blue sky above, sometimes you just have to get your head above the clouds to see it.

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