The Thing We Never Talk About

Timothy Iseler

The Thing We Never Talk About is an educational podcast about personal finance for creatives and other weirdos. We'll discuss managing cash flow with a lumpy income, when to save & when to invest, and how to reduce stress & build confidence when it comes to your money. No hot stock tips, no complicated strategies, and no finance bro jargon. We'll hear from artists, musicians, creative professionals, and other weirdos about how they navigate these questions for themselves. The Thing We Never Talk About is hosted by Timothy Iseler, CFP®, a former recording & touring audio engineer with 18 years experience in the music industry.

  1. Sarah Williams - Co-Owner of Beardwood&Co. Branding Agency

    1D AGO

    Sarah Williams - Co-Owner of Beardwood&Co. Branding Agency

    In this episode, Tim sits down with Sarah Williams for a wide-ranging conversation about her creative path, professional evolution, and the realities of building a sustainable career on her own terms. Sarah shares her journey from early employee to co-owner & co-CEO, and how her leadership evolved as the company grew. She also reflects on burnout, delegation, financial stability, and redefining success beyond revenue. They explore how money, confidence, and self-trust intersect with creativity, especially when your career doesn’t follow a traditional path. Sarah  Sarah’s question for Tim: how do you see the relationship between financial health and mental and physical health? Growing up I always had a lot of anxiety about Money. As I've gotten older and looked to create more financial security for myself, my family, and my business, that feeling doesn't really go away. How do you think about these challenges? Key Takeaways: Sarah Williams shares her path from being the first employee at her company to becoming co-owner and co-CEO, and how long-term commitment shaped her leadership style.She discusses the difference between building a lasting brand identity versus chasing short-term marketing trends and quick wins.Sarah reflects on learning to trust her instincts while also developing systems that support sustainable growth.She talks openly about learning to delegate and empower others as her role shifted from “doing everything” to leading a team.The episode highlights the importance of aligning personal values with professional goals in order to build a sustainable, fulfilling career.Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.Beardwood&Co

    1h 2m
  2. Emily Flake – Cartoonist

    FEB 9

    Emily Flake – Cartoonist

    In this episode, Tim talks with cartoonist, writer, and teacher Emily Flake about building a creative career through multiple income streams, persistence, and adaptability. Emily shares what it’s really like to work in fields where rejection is common, success is unpredictable, and financial stability requires constant adjustment. Together, they explore the tension between creative fulfillment and practical money decisions, including saving, budgeting, and long-term planning. One Key Takeaway: A sustainable creative career is built less on sudden success and more on resilience, flexibility, and steady habits that support both artistic and financial health. Emily’s question for Tim: I’m a freelancer whose income varies wildly, and not only am i terrible with money but I’m actively afraid of thinking about it. I play chicken with my bank account, which is a checking account, because i don’t have a savings account. Don’t you dare even ask if I have a retirement account. I’m 48 gd years old. I guess my question is: how f****d am I? Key Takeaways: Emily Flake describes how her career has been built from many different income streams, including cartooning, writing, teaching, comedy, and running creative programs, rather than from one single job.She explains that publishing work in prestigious outlets like The New Yorker brings visibility and credibility, but does not guarantee long-term financial security.Emily talks about the ongoing reality of pitching work, receiving rejections, and learning to persist in an industry where “no” is far more common than “yes.”She reflects on how she balances creative fulfillment with practical concerns like paying bills and maintaining steady income.Emily speaks candidly about her discomfort with money, budgeting, and long-term financial planning, and how this has affected her decisions.Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.Emily's websiteSt Nell's Humor Writing ResidencyEmily's contributor page at The New Yorker

    1h 3m
  3. Tony Rolando – Founder of Make Noise Music

    JAN 26

    Tony Rolando – Founder of Make Noise Music

    In this episode, Tim  talks with Tony Rolando, musician, instrument designer, and founder of Make Noise Music, about building electronic musical instruments, growing a niche manufacturing business, and staying creatively grounded as success scales. Tony shares how his background as a musician shaped the unconventional design philosophy behind Make Noise’s modular synthesizers. They discuss the realities of scaling a creative business, including hiring, cash flow, and the tradeoffs between growth and personal freedom. The conversation also touches on Tony’s evolving relationship with money, health, and what it means to use success to support a meaningful life. Tony's question for Tim: With the way the current administration is increasingly isolating the US from the global economy, I have had the thought that I should shift my investments to be heavier in European and emerging markets. Add to that, that my retirement portfolio is almost entirely SRI and I sometimes feel it makes even more sense to shift to the European market. Do you have thoughts on this?  Key Takeaways: Tony began Make Noise in 2008 after leaving a low-paying job at Moog Music, initially building modules by hand with no formal business plan.Early Make Noise designs emerged from Tony’s personal musical needs—creating modules that didn’t yet exist in the small modular synth market at the time.Tony approaches instrument design as a musician first, deliberately stacking functions into single controls to make instruments more expressive and playable.As Make Noise grew, Tony learned that hiring employees gave him his personal life back—but did not necessarily increase his income.Tony shares personal reflections on money, saving habits, health challenges, and the importance of actually using money to enjoy life.Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.Make Noise MusicMake Noise's YouTube pageTony's Bandcamp page

    1h 1m
  4. Ryan Isaac - Education Fundraiser & Baseball Newsletter Writer

    JAN 12

    Ryan Isaac - Education Fundraiser & Baseball Newsletter Writer

    Ryan Isaac is an education fundraiser & longtime baseball insider who spent more than a decade working in professional baseball. In this episode, Ryan shares how he broke into the industry, what it was like navigating the uncertainty & mobility of baseball careers, and why becoming a parent ultimately reshaped his priorities. He reflects on the identity shift that comes with leaving a dream job and finding new ways to stay connected to the work you love. The conversation also explores how Ryan rediscovered his voice through writing and launched his baseball newsletter, Warning Track Power, as a creative outlet beyond his day job. Ryan's question for Tim: What was the biggest obstacle you faced during your career transition?  Key takeaways: Ryan shares his early career ambitions as a writer and journalist, including working at Wine Spectator in New York City while nurturing a long-standing passion for baseball. He describes leaving journalism to pursue a career in professional baseball during the early “Moneyball era,” including moving to San Diego without a job lined up to put himself closer to opportunity. Ryan recounts how a chance phone call led to his first full-time role with the San Diego Padres, marking his official entry into Major League Baseball operations. After leaving baseball, Ryan transitioned into fundraising for an independent school, gradually building experience through expanded responsibilities during the early COVID period. During the pandemic, Ryan reignited his creative outlet by writing about baseball, leading to the launch of his newsletter Warning Track Power as a personal and intellectual release.Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.Ryan's newsletter Warning Track PowerWarning Track Power's Substack page

    59 min

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The Thing We Never Talk About is an educational podcast about personal finance for creatives and other weirdos. We'll discuss managing cash flow with a lumpy income, when to save & when to invest, and how to reduce stress & build confidence when it comes to your money. No hot stock tips, no complicated strategies, and no finance bro jargon. We'll hear from artists, musicians, creative professionals, and other weirdos about how they navigate these questions for themselves. The Thing We Never Talk About is hosted by Timothy Iseler, CFP®, a former recording & touring audio engineer with 18 years experience in the music industry.

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