Was It Chance?

People talk about manifestation as a thing that you can just think into existence. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy. When it comes to making your creative dreams come true, what really matters is putting yourself in a position to thoughtfully and intelligently take advantage of the opportunities presented to you. And sometimes these opportunities show up in very unexpected ways. We’re Heather Vickery and Alan Seales, two perfect strangers who met by chance and embraced opportunity! Listen in as we chat with other successful people about the risks they took, and continue taking, to put themselves on a path to creative success.  WAS IT CHANCE? The podcast about embracing opportunity and taking intentional risks for your creative life. 

  1. Katy Scoggin: What Happens When You Document Your Own Divide?

    2D AGO

    Katy Scoggin: What Happens When You Document Your Own Divide?

    We sit down with documentary filmmaker Katy Scoggin to unpack the decade-long journey behind her deeply personal film Flood. What begins as a curiosity about science, faith, and her upbringing as a young earth creationist evolves into a profound exploration of family, identity, and the limits of belief. Katy shares how a chance opportunity to work in documentary filmmaking, along with a simple ask to a mentor, set her on a path that would ultimately lead her back home with a camera, confronting the most complicated relationship in her life, the one with her father. As Katy traces her evolution from art student to award-winning filmmaker, we explore the risks she took both professionally and personally. She embedded herself in her family’s world, documented their dynamics, and wrestled with the tension between love and ideological divide. The conversation dives into her experience working alongside acclaimed documentarian Laura Poitras, the challenges of sustaining a creative career, and the emotional toll of turning the lens on your own life. At its core, this episode is about connection in the face of difference. Katy opens up about coming out later in life, the shifting dynamics with her deeply religious father, and the surprising ways filmmaking became a bridge between them. Through Flood, she asks a powerful question. Even when we fundamentally disagree, is it still possible to find moments of understanding and even love? Connect with Katy and learn more about Flood: IG: @flooddoc Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit Heather's Bookshop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Reading Well⁠⁠ EPISODE TAKEAWAYS Creative breakthroughs often come from discomfort and dissatisfaction, not clarity Asking for help at the right moment can completely change your career trajectory The stories closest to home are often the hardest but most meaningful to tell Documentary filmmaking can become a tool for connection, not just observation You do not need someone’s approval to live authentically or tell your truth It is possible to maintain some level of connection with people you fundamentally disagree with Long-term creative projects require choosing stories that will stay meaningful for years Collaboration and trusted creative relationships are essential in filmmaking Letting go of expectations can reduce disappointment in complicated family relationships Failure is a necessary and valuable part of growth and creative development Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 23m
  2. Ray Hartjen: When Time Stops Being Unlimited

    MAR 25

    Ray Hartjen: When Time Stops Being Unlimited

    In this episode, Alan and Heather sit down with Ray Hartjen—a self-described professional storyteller whose career has spanned investment banking, pharma, tech, marketing, and creative writing. Ray shares how storytelling became the throughline across every chapter of his professional life, even before he consciously recognized it. From crafting narratives in corporate boardrooms to writing books and playing music, Ray reveals how understanding engagement and human connection ultimately shaped his work and his identity. The conversation takes a profound turn as Ray opens up about his 2019 diagnosis with multiple myeloma. Rather than narrowing his world, the diagnosis expanded it—forcing a reevaluation of time, priorities, and purpose. Through a powerful “timeline” exercise, Ray reframed how he views life, shifting from taking time for granted to intentionally investing it. That shift led him to add new roles—patient advocate, fundraiser, and community supporter—while letting go of others that no longer aligned with his energy and goals. Ray also dives into his creative journey as an author of five books, including both nonfiction and fiction, and how he overcame the fear of stepping into new creative territory. He emphasizes the importance of starting small, embracing failure, and designing a life—and creative career—that actually works for you. This episode is a masterclass in intentional risk, resilience, and redefining what success looks like on your own terms. Connect with Ray Website: https://rayhartjen.com (You can also find Ray across social platforms under his name) Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit Heather's Bookshop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Reading Well⁠ EPISODE TAKEAWAYS Storytelling is everywhere—even in careers that don’t seem creative on the surface. Your life expands when you stop taking time for granted and start acting intentionally. You can reinvent yourself at any stage by choosing curiosity and growth. Failure isn’t fatal—it’s feedback and part of the process. Start small; progress builds momentum. You don’t have to follow a prescribed path—design your creative life to fit you. A major life event can add purpose, not just take things away. Balancing priorities sometimes means letting go of roles that no longer serve you. Creative risk often means doing something before you feel fully ready. If not now, when? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 4m
  3. Merit Kahn: Optimistic Personality Disorder - Turning Life Into Comedy

    MAR 10

    Merit Kahn: Optimistic Personality Disorder - Turning Life Into Comedy

    In this episode of Was It Chance, Alan Seales and Heather Vickery talk with comedian, keynote speaker, and storyteller Merritt Kahn about turning life’s unexpected plot twists into powerful creative material. Merritt is the creator and performer of Optimistic Personality Disorder, a one-woman show that blends stand-up comedy, storytelling, and personal insight as she explores divorce, parenting, empty nesting, and the unpredictable turns life can take. With a background in sales training, emotional intelligence, and positive psychology, Merritt brings a unique perspective to the stage—using humor not just to entertain, but to help people rethink how they relate to their own life stories. What started as a desire to be funnier in her keynote speeches eventually led Merritt into stand-up comedy and, ultimately, into writing and producing her own theatrical show. Through journaling and reflection, she discovered the phrase “optimistic personality disorder,” which became both the title of her show and a philosophy for how she approaches life. In the conversation, Merritt shares how comedy can help loosen the emotional grip of painful experiences, allowing people to revisit difficult chapters—like divorce or family conflict—and reinterpret them through a lens of growth and humor. Merritt also talks about the realities of producing and touring a one-woman show, from selling tickets and traveling with props to dreaming about where the project could go next. Her story is a reminder that failure is rarely final, creativity often emerges from unexpected places, and sometimes the best way to move forward is to laugh at what once felt overwhelming. As Merritt says, tragedy plus time equals comedy—but it doesn’t always have to take that long. Connect with Merit: OPDshow.com Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit Heather's Bookshop⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Reading Well⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 4m
  4. Rich Wright: The Dark Side of Creativity—and the Way Through

    FEB 24

    Rich Wright: The Dark Side of Creativity—and the Way Through

    Content Note: This conversation includes discussion of suicide and severe depression. Please take care of yourself while listening. If you or someone you know is struggling, reach out to the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline in the United States or a local crisis resource in your area. In this deeply vulnerable episode of Was It Chance?, we sit down with Rich Wright, founder of The Artist Recovery, for an honest conversation about creativity, depression, suicide, and the courage it takes to stay curious about hope. Rich shares how his creative instincts showed up early—from reverse-engineering fashion designs in his mind to launching his own clothing line with zero formal training. But when that venture collapsed in a high-stakes moment at Lollapalooza, it triggered a spiral that led to a suicide attempt and a long journey through inpatient care, therapy, and ultimately a search for healing beyond traditional models. What emerged from that darkness is The Artist Recovery—a platform and podcast dedicated to “bringing light to the dark side of art.” Rich reframes recovery not just as sobriety, but as renewal, resilience, and creative transformation. He speaks candidly about living with lifelong depression, being told by a top university depression center that they couldn’t help him, and the persistent flicker of curiosity that kept him alive long enough to seek alternative paths forward. This episode is about more than mental health. It’s about the unique vulnerability of creatives. It’s about how art can both wound and heal. And it’s about the radical act of staying curious about the light—even when it feels impossibly far away. Connect with Rich at theartistrecovery.com and explore his podcast, The Artist Recovery, on all major streaming platforms. Rich Wright is an artist, multi-instrumentalist, and the founder of The Artist Recovery, a powerful initiative dedicated to helping creatives rebuild their lives and rediscover their art. Based in Michigan with deep Tennessee roots, Rich has spent his life navigating the intersection of creativity and mental health. From early struggles with depression and a suicide attempt in his twenties to years of therapy and alternative healing modalities, his journey is one of resilience, reinvention, and purpose. Through The Artist Recovery, Rich creates space for artists to confront the “dark side” of creativity—mental health challenges, addiction, burnout, and disappointment—while reclaiming renewal, courage, and authentic self-expression. His work centers on vulnerability, curiosity, and the belief that even the smallest light can guide someone forward. Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Visit Heather's Bookshop⁠⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠⁠The Reading Well⁠ EPISODE TAKEAWAYS Creativity can be both a gift and a burden, and ignoring the mental health struggles that often accompany artistic work only deepens the isolation many creatives already feel. Failure—especially public or high-stakes failure—can become a breaking point, but it can also become the catalyst for reinvention and deeper self-awareness. Traditional mental health models don’t work for everyone, and healing sometimes requires curiosity, experimentation, and alternative modalities. Recovery is not just about sobriety; it can mean renewal, resilience, and reclaiming your identity as a creative human being. Even in the darkest seasons, staying curious about the smallest flicker of light can be enough to keep moving forward. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    57 min
  5. Troy Horne: Why Midlife Is the Best Time to Chase the Dream

    FEB 10

    Troy Horne: Why Midlife Is the Best Time to Chase the Dream

    Heather Vickery and Alan Seales sit down with Troy Horne, a multi-hyphenate creative whose career spans music, Broadway, television, entrepreneurship, and authorship. The conversation explores what it really means to take intentional risks—especially in midlife—and how clarity, courage, and self-trust compound over time. Troy shares how his creative journey began with a childhood performance in church that revealed both his talent and his appetite for risk. From there, he followed a path shaped by persistence rather than certainty, navigating choir, talent shows, and eventually national television on Star Search. That experience became an early lesson in how the entertainment industry actually works—where talent matters, but timing, narrative, and business needs often matter just as much. The discussion traces Troy’s decision to move to Los Angeles with limited resources, highlighting the importance of “networking sideways” rather than chasing gatekeepers. Troy recounts his time working alongside peers who would later become industry leaders, including Octavia Spencer, and how those early peer relationships proved more valuable than traditional ladder-climbing. A pivotal moment in the episode is Troy’s Broadway story. While auditioning for Rent, he turned down a touring role because it conflicted with his personal values and family priorities. That clarity led to an unexpected outcome: a Broadway role as Tom Collins. This moment anchors a central theme of the episode—knowing what you want, and being willing to say no, often creates space for the right yes. The episode culminates in a discussion of Troy’s latest book, Middle Management: How to Find Meaning, Clarity, and Success in the Second Half of Life. Troy outlines the mindset shifts required for midlife reinvention, including the necessity of quieting external noise, reconnecting with one’s internal voice, and recognizing that experience—not youth—is the true advantage of the second half of life. Throughout the episode, Troy reinforces the idea that reinvention is not about starting over, but about reapplying everything you already know with greater intention. Midlife, he argues, is not a closing chapter—it is often the moment when the best tools, clearest values, and boldest opportunities finally converge. Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Visit Heather's Bookshop⁠⁠ Visit ⁠⁠The Reading Well⁠ EPISODE TAKEAWAYS Midlife is not a limitation but an advantage, because experience, resources, and clarity make it the best time to pursue meaningful dreams Intentional risk means saying no to opportunities that don’t align with your values, even when they look impressive from the outside Knowing what you want your life to feel like is more important than chasing titles, validation, or conventional success paths The entertainment industry, and life more broadly, rewards timing, fit, and narrative as much as raw talent Networking sideways with peers on a similar journey often leads to deeper, longer-lasting opportunities than chasing gatekeepers Building community before selling anything creates trust, momentum, and sustainable success Reinvention is not about starting over but about reusing what you already know with greater intention and confidence Clarity comes from turning down external noise long enough to hear your own internal voice. Fear never fully disappears, even for highly successful people, but it does not have to dictate your choices The greatest regret is not failure, but never giving yourself permission to live the life you truly wanted Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 8m
  6. Paul Pape: Santa for Nerds, Making the Things That Don’t Exist Yet

    JAN 20

    Paul Pape: Santa for Nerds, Making the Things That Don’t Exist Yet

    What if saying “yes” before you know how is the real creative superpower? In this episode of Was It Chance, Heather Vickery and Alan Seales sit down with Paul Pape—creative problem navigator, TEDx speaker, author, and the man affectionately known as “Santa for Nerds.” From a studio in Nebraska, Paul has built custom props, collectibles, and prototypes for Disney, Universal, Nickelodeon, Broadway, and The Tonight Show, becoming the go-to person when clients need something that doesn’t exist yet. Paul shares how a theater background, relentless curiosity, and a bend-don’t-break mindset led him from being told he’d never act again to designing iconic objects for film, television, and live entertainment. Along the way, he breaks down how creatives can build sustainable businesses without sacrificing their artistic soul—by charging for labor, reframing pricing, and even gamifying business strategy. This conversation is a masterclass in intentional risk, creative problem solving, and why the “starving artist” narrative deserves to be retired for good. Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ ⁠Visit Heather's Bookshop⁠ Visit ⁠The Reading Well EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: Creative success often comes from saying yes before you know how, then trusting yourself to figure it out along the way. Efficiency and experience increase your value, not decrease it, and your pricing should reflect that growth over time. Charging too little attracts the wrong clients and limits sustainability, while pricing appropriately creates commitment and respect. Failure is not a stopping point but a critical step that teaches faster and deeper than success ever can. A background in one creative discipline can unlock opportunities in entirely different industries if you stay curious and adaptable. Gamifying business concepts can make strategy, pricing, and structure more accessible for creative thinkers. Creative work has real labor value and must include compensation for time, skill, and years of experience. Building a sustainable creative business requires surrounding yourself with people who complement your weaknesses, not mirror your strengths. The myth of the starving artist persists only when creatives undervalue their work and avoid business fundamentals ntentional risk, combined with passion and problem solving, can turn unconventional paths into long-term creative careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    58 min
  7. 2025 End of Year Reflection

    2025-12-31

    2025 End of Year Reflection

    In this special year-end wrap-up episode, hosts Heather Vickery and Alan Seales kick 2025 out the door the only way they know how: with candid reflection, sharp banter, and a deep appreciation for creative risk. From standout guests and unforgettable conversations to personal highs, hard-won lessons, and the realities of building meaningful work in the middle of busy, complicated lives, Heather and Alan look back on what made this year weird, wonderful, and unexpectedly transformative. They revisit favorite moments from the show, reflect on growth both on and off the mic, unpack what it means to stay curious in a fast-moving creative landscape, and share what they’re carrying forward into 2026. It’s less a recap and more an honest conversation about momentum, friendship, resilience, and why saying yes to opportunity still matters—especially when you’re tired, unsure, or figuring it out in real time. Consider this an inside look at the conversations behind the podcast, the lessons that stuck, and the intentions shaping what comes next. Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ Visit Heather's Bookshop Visit The Reading Well Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    42 min
  8. Kay A Oliver: Leaving Hollywood Without Leaving Storytelling

    2025-12-16

    Kay A Oliver: Leaving Hollywood Without Leaving Storytelling

    Award-winning author and Hollywood veteran Kay A. Oliver joins Was It Chance to unpack a career shaped by creative persistence, hard-earned reinvention, and the courage to walk away from systems that no longer fit. With more than three decades in Hollywood—spanning writing, production, consumer products, and studio work—Kay shares what it really takes to survive (and stay sane) in an industry driven by power, timing, and compromise. After being laid off during a breast cancer diagnosis, Kay made a pivotal decision: stop waiting for permission and start telling stories on her own terms. That choice led her to novel writing, where her work has earned more than 30 literary awards and sparked interest from streaming platforms for adaptation. In this episode, Kay breaks down the creative and business realities of Hollywood, the difference between writing for screen versus page, why failure is a prerequisite for success, and how trusting yourself can be the biggest creative risk of all. This conversation is candid, sharp, and deeply grounded in lived experience—proof that sometimes the most important “chance” is deciding not to play by someone else’s rules. Connect With Us: 📩 Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠wasitchancepodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎧 Follow Was It Chance? on your favorite podcast platform 📱 Connect with us on ⁠TikTok⁠ and ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ✨ More about Heather at her ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠subscribe to her Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and more⁠⁠ EPISODE TAKEAWAYS Failure is not the opposite of success; it is an essential part of any meaningful creative path. Creative rejection can be a redirection that leads to work with greater autonomy and impact. Surviving a personal crisis can permanently change how risk is evaluated and embraced. Writing for Hollywood and writing novels require fundamentally different creative and business mindsets. Strong female characters were never unmarketable; they were simply unsupported by the system. Self-publishing can be a deliberate, empowering strategy rather than a compromise. Protecting creative rights is a necessary business practice for long-term sustainability. Letting go of control in adaptation can preserve both perspective and creative freedom. Thorough research is what allows fiction to feel emotionally and intellectually authentic. The most resilient creative careers are built by trusting personal conviction over external validation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 9m

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People talk about manifestation as a thing that you can just think into existence. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy. When it comes to making your creative dreams come true, what really matters is putting yourself in a position to thoughtfully and intelligently take advantage of the opportunities presented to you. And sometimes these opportunities show up in very unexpected ways. We’re Heather Vickery and Alan Seales, two perfect strangers who met by chance and embraced opportunity! Listen in as we chat with other successful people about the risks they took, and continue taking, to put themselves on a path to creative success.  WAS IT CHANCE? The podcast about embracing opportunity and taking intentional risks for your creative life. 

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