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20/10/2025

DevOps: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything

In this episode, hosts Angelica Hill and Matthew Sanabria are joined by special guest Cory O'Daniel to dive deep into DevOps. They chat through some of the big questions shaping the industry: Is the "cloud promise" still holding up? What role does on-prem infrastructure play now? And perhaps most importantly, what does "DevOps" even mean today? We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. We've got a ton of supporter content in this episode, so our supporters can hear Cory's thoughts on why technology choices should be kept simple, why we aren't thinking things through, and why the C-Suite forgets the pain of being an IC. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (00:05:50)Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (00:20:27)Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (00:46:10)Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (00:58:18)Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (00:58:45)Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (00:59:26)Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:00:16)Epilogue (01:03:12) Hosts Matthew Sanabria - Host Angelica Hill - Producer Cory O'Daniel - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (05:50) - Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (20:27) - Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (46:10) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (58:18) - Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (58:45) - Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (59:26) - Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (01:00:16) - Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:03:12) - Epilogue

20/10/2025

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1h 7m
24/03/2025 • SUBSCRIBERS ONLY

Translating The Law for Software Engineers

Software is hard to build. From knowing which regulations apply to us to understanding what's in our software, there's a lot to learn. On top of that, regulation is coming for all of us. In this episode, Luis Villa joins Kris, Ian, and Angelica, to discuss the laws and regulations that will change the way that you build and deploy software. We discuss the EU's Cyber Resilience Act, the difficulty in interpreting the law and staying within its bounds, how these new laws differ from what we're used to, artificial intelligence, and so much more. Supporters get access to an extended conversation with Luis, where we discuss AI, the Deno vs Oracle lawsuit, writing personal code on employer devices, and more! You can get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: The Draghi ReportMacPherson v. Buick Motor Co.Table of Contents: Prologue (1:11)Panel introductions (1:24)Introducing Luis Villa (2:32)Chapter 1: What's even in our software? (5:58)What is the Cyber Resilience Act? (9:31)Why software engineers need to care (12:06)Ambiguity begets flexibility (15:57)Law is eventually consistent (19:29)The rooms where law is made (21:14)Open source has power (23:51)The reach of regulation (28:25)Thinking on the global scale (36:17)Silicon Union: Rebuilding Silicon Valley in Europe (41:25)Challenges in regulating open source (43:47)Regulations aren't our adversaries (46:47)What's even in this (software) stuff? (51:24)Regulations Sticks vs Monetary Carrots (55:41)Chapter 2: AI & Legal Knowledge Graphs (1:06:07)The law lacks a linter (1:10:16)Chapter 3: Open Source & Business Licenses (1:16:08)Epilogue (1:33:42) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Angelica Hill - Producer Luis Villa - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (01:11) - Prologue (05:58) - Chapter 1: What's even in our software? (01:06:07) - Chapter 2: AI & Legal Knowledge Graphs (01:16:08) - Chapter 3: Open Source & Business Licenses (01:33:42) - Epilogue

24/03/2025

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2h 27m
14/04/2025

The Podcast Pipeline

Fallthrough is a podcast about having conversations in public, and over the last 3 months we've shipped 15 of them! In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matt sit down to discuss the podcast so far: what we've enjoyed, the feedback we've gotten, how we produce episodes, and so much more. We're excited to take a look at the first 15 episodes we've produced and look forward to making the next 15! Supporters get access to an extended conversation including chapters on how we've pivoted the podcast, learned about what works and what doesn't, our thoughts on art vs production, and much more. You can get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (01:23)Chapter 1: The Podcast So Far (02:07)Chapter 2: Behind The Scenes (05:53)Chapter 3: Our Favorite Episodes (12:59)Chapter 4: Pivoting The Podcast (Supporter Only)Chapter 5: On Feedback (18:14)Chapter 6: Yes, And vs No, But (27:58)Chapter 7: Monologing (35:45)Chapter 8: Pre & Post Production (43:01)Chapter 9: How We Make Episodes (01:01:04)Chapter 10: Learning How Things Work (Supporter Only)Chapter 11: The Best Feedback (01:08:19)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:13:45)Appendix DESIGN: Art vs Production (Supporter Only)Epilogue (01:22:27) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (01:23) - Prologue (02:07) - Chapter 1: The Podcast So Far (05:53) - Chapter 2: Behind The Scenes (12:59) - Chapter 3: Our Favorite Episodes (17:50) - Chapter 4: Pivoting The Podcast (18:14) - Chapter 5: On Feedback (27:58) - Chapter 6: Yes, And vs No, But (35:45) - Chapter 7: Monologing (43:01) - Chapter 8: Pre & Post Production (01:01:04) - Chapter 9: How We Make Episodes (01:08:18) - Chapter 10: Learning How Things Work (01:08:19) - Chapter 11: The Best Feedback (01:13:45) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:22:00) - Appendix DESIGN: Art vs Production (01:22:27) - Epilogue

14/04/2025

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1h 26m
16/06/2025

Go's Error Handling Is Handled

Error handling in Go is one of the language's most controversial topics. It ranks high in each Go Developer Survey and many different people have proposed many different solutions to the perceived problems. The Go Team's stance on error handling as a problem in need of a fix has changed recently, with a declaration that no proposals will be accepted for changes to Go's error handling syntax. In this episode, Kris is joined by Ian and Matt to discuss this news. They talk about whether error handling has ever actually been a problem, what the Go team actually is, and the benefits of deciding not to provided syntactic support for error handling. For our supporters, this episode contains an extended discussion. Get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: [ On | No ] syntactic support for error handling#71203 proposal: spec: reduce error handling boilerplate using ?#71460 discussion: spec: reduce error handling boilerplate using ?Go Wiki: SliceTricksslices packagemaps packageskriptble's Bluesky post on AI hype#19623 proposal: spec: change int to be arbitrary precision Table of Contents: Prologue (02:32)Chapter 1: It's Fine. (04:03)Chapter 2: But What Are Errors? (09:19)Chapter 3: Who's Responsible For Solving Problems? (26:53)Chapter 4: We Should Panic (38:24)Chapter 5: Go Is A Low Level Language (41:32) [Supporter Only]Chapter 6: What Is The Go Team? (41:56)Chapter 7: What's Next for Go? (50:41)Chapter 8: Boundaries & Backpressure (59:08)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Proposals (59:39) [Supporter Only]Appendix WASM: The New FFI (59:43)Epilogue (01:05:36)Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (02:32) - Prologue (04:03) - Chapter 1: It's Fine. (09:19) - Chapter 2: But What Are Errors? (26:53) - Chapter 3: Who's Responsible For Solving Problems? (38:24) - Chapter 4: We Should Panic (41:32) - Chapter 5: Go Is A Low Level Language [Supporter Only] (41:56) - Chapter 6: What Is The Go Team? (50:41) - Chapter 7: What's Next for Go? (59:08) - Chapter 8: Boundaries & Backpressure (59:39) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Proposals [Supporter Only] (59:43) - Appendix WASM: The New FFI (01:05:36) - Epilogue

16/06/2025

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1h 10m
10/02/2025

What's New In Go 1.24?

Go's steady cycle of releasing new versions every six months continues. On this episode, our "What's new in Go?" correspondent (a carry over from Go Time) joins special guest host Johnny Boursiquot to talk about the new features and changes coming in Go 1.24. As always, we've got some great unpopular opinions at the end. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes & Links: Carlana's WebsiteTime Is Not A Synchronization Primitive (from 19:04)sqlc (from 1:05:01)Chapters: (00:00) - Intro (02:20) - Introducing Carlana (03:29) - What's New In Go 1.24? (04:02) - package weak (10:17) - package runtime (16:55) - testing (27:37) - package os (32:28) - go tool (37:58) - generic type aliases (41:35) - minor changes (52:25) - Unpopular Opinions (52:35) - Carlana's Unpop (56:36) - Johnny's Unpop (01:05:43) - Outro Hosts Kris Brandow - Producer Johnny Boursiquot - Host Carlana Johnson - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram

10/02/2025

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1h 6m
15/07/2025 · BONUS • SUBSCRIBERS ONLY

[Break] You're Now Less Wrong About REST

Welcome to Break, a Fallthrough aftershow! After months of spending time after each recording of Fallthrough chatting, Kris and Matt decided it's time to record some of these chats and publish them to the world! In many ways the show's name is apropos: it's more like a watercooler break than a podcast recording and it's a break from the way we usually record podcast episodes. In this first episode, Kris, Matt, and Jamie discuss the recording of Fallthrough episode #28. They talk more about OpenAPI and how it relates to REST and hypermedia, what layering brings to the table for APIs, and how change can start with just a single person. We hope you enjoy this new show and let us know if you like this content and format! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:45)OpenAPI (08:15)Layering (15:33)We Can Build This (33:21)Epilogue (38:40) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Jamie Tanna - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:45) - Prologue (08:15) - OpenAPI (15:33) - Layering (33:21) - We Can Build This (38:40) - Epilogue

15/07/2025 · Bonus

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40 min
31/03/2025

What Even Is A Senior Software Engineer?

What does it mean to be a senior (or staff) software engineer? How are we preparing the next generation of software engineers to maintain the software we've created? In this episode, Matt and Kris are joined by Bill Kennedy to discuss tech communities, training software engineers, the landscape of learning, how artificial intelligence is affecting it all, and so much more. Supporters get access to an extended conversation with Bill, where we get into more depth on artificial intelligence, the Go team, and more! You can get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: The Market for LemonsTable of Contents: Prologue (01:10)Intros & The Rain (01:10)Mr. Gopher Man (02:35)Introducing Bill Kennedy (03:08)Chapter 1: Tech Communities & Software Engineer Training (04:57)From Ultimate Go to Ultimate Software Design Live (04:57)Software Engineers & Criticism (10:01)Saying The Wrong Things (15:12)The Times Have Changed (16:08)You Learn More From Your Mistakes (24:44)Chapter 2: The Learning Landscape (28:25)The trouble with senior engineering (30:10)The difference between programming and coding (35:04)What is legacy? (39:19)It's All About Packages (44:06)Expanding Into Rust (51:23)Chapter 3: Giving Back (59:43)Sustaining open source projects (59:43)Chapter 4: Passing The Baton (01:13:28)The need for written documentation (01:27:50)What AI can do for you (01:33:50)When do you do something? (01:40:57)Epilogue (01:50:05)Helicopter taxi (01:50:34) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Bill Kennedy - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (01:10) - Prologue (04:57) - Chapter 1: Tech Communities & Software Engineer Training (28:25) - Chapter 2: The Learning Landscape (59:43) - Chapter 3: Giving Back (01:13:28) - Chapter 4: Passing The Baton (01:50:05) - Epilogue

31/03/2025

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1h 53m
11/08/2025

Big Data Energy

In the years leading up to the current AI hype cycle we're currently all experiencing, there was another hype cycle: Big Data. In this episode, Kris is joined by Matt and Steve to discuss how the Big Data craze relates to the current Artificial Intelligence one, where Big Data ends and AI/ML begin, and so much more. We've also have a new episode of Break! We've decided that Break will be video first, so you can watch it on YouTube or in your favorite podcast app by going to: https://break.show/ep/5. For our supporters, we have extra content, including a chapter about the importance of our ideas being grounded in truth. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (02:49)Chapter 1: What is Big Data? (04:33)Chapter 2: Is AI/ML Big Data? (17:23)Chapter 3: Our Ideas must Touch Ground Truth [Supporter Only] (59:31)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opionions & Panic and Recover (01:00:39) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (02:49) - Prologue (04:33) - Chapter 1: What is Big Data? (17:23) - Chapter 2: Is AI/ML Big Data? (59:31) - Chapter 3: Our Ideas must Touch Ground Truth [Supporter Only] (01:00:39) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opionions & Panic and Recover

11/08/2025

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1h 18m
28/10/2025

JJ and How to Evolve an Open Source Ecosystem

Jujutsu is a new version control system that's gaining in popularity. Its swappable backends allow users to continue using version control systems like Git without other users even noticing. Steve Klabnik aims to be a big part of it. Much like with Rust, he's getting involved early and making some big swings. In this episode, he joins Kris and Matt to discuss JJ and his recent announcement that he'll be joining East River Source Control to work on JJ and related projects full time. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. Love extra content? Well if you're a supporter you're getting some. This week's extended edition includes bonus content includes a chapter on the need for new layers and another chapter on potential plans for a JJHub. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control! (00:03:44)Chapter 2: JJ Backends (00:13:54)Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools (00:17:58)Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back (00:29:16)Chapter 5: Why Use JJ? (00:31:05)Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended] (00:45:33)Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended] (00:46:08)Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code (00:46:56)Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions (00:50:02)Epilogue (00:56:10) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:44) - Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control! (13:54) - Chapter 2: JJ Backends (17:58) - Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools (29:16) - Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back (31:05) - Chapter 5: Why Use JJ? (45:33) - Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended] (46:08) - Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended] (46:56) - Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code (50:02) - Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions (56:10) - Epilogue

28/10/2025

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58 min
04/11/2025

The Fault In Our Clouds

First it was GCP in June. Then it was AWS in October. Then it was Azure a week later. It seems that our cloud providers are having outages far more often, and for far longer, than any of us would like. In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matthew discuss the two most recent outages along with some of their thoughts on the current state of the industry and the future of software. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! The panel talks about whether seeking a career with a FAANG company is worth it anymore, why building software for your local community is important, and their frustrations with point of sale systems. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. EXTRA! EXTRA! There's lots of bonus content in this episode! And if you're a supporter you're getting all of it. In this week's extra chapters the panel talks about whether we all need to be on large cloud providers, frustrations with food delivery app PINs, whether timeouts and retries should be our go to, and why it feels like software is constantly getting worse. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: AWS Outage Summary: https://aws.amazon.com/message/101925/Azure Outage Summary: https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status/history/ Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (00:03:03)Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (00:27:15)Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (00:27:41)Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (00:28:11)Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (00:39:37)Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (00:40:07)Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (00:40:54)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:42:42)Epilogue (01:02:34) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:03) - Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (27:15) - Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (27:41) - Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (28:11) - Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (39:37) - Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (40:07) - Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (40:54) - Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (42:42) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (01:02:34) - Epilogue

04/11/2025

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1h 5m

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