Mr Barton Maths Podcast

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Craig Barton interviews guests from the wonderful world of education about their approaches to teaching, educational research and more. All show notes, resources and videos here: https://www.mrbartonmaths.com/blog/

  1. 4 HR AGO

    #222 AI in Education with Becky Allen

    In this long-awaited sequel (eight years after her last appearance), Craig welcomes back Becky Allen — education researcher, co-founder of Teacher Tap, co-author of The Teacher Gap, and now a consultant to the US-based Alpha School chain — for a deep dive into AI in education, with a particular focus on AI as a personal tutor. Becky is a self-confessed AI optimist who uses LLMs for almost everything (with a fervent endorsement of WhisperFlow voice transcription as a game-changer for giving models richer context). She walks through what she's been seeing inside Alpha School, where students do roughly two hours a day on AI-powered learning apps and spend the rest of their time on project-based learning, sports, and life skills. Her clearest examples of where AI tutoring genuinely shines are in generative prerequisite-knowledge conversations and in forcing students to engage step-by-step with worked examples — pulling them out of the passive eye-darting that kills most textbook learning. From there, Craig walks her through a battery of common sceptical pushbacks (screen time, scalability, Alpha's wealthy demographic, motivation without an audience, the Khanmigo flop, applicability to the Global South, and the future of subject-specialist teachers) and Becky pushes back on each with characteristic nuance. Her core thesis: AI won't transform mainstream schools much — they're too operationally complex to bend — but it will enable a parallel world of micro-schools, alternative provision, and remote subject specialists, particularly for the growing population of persistently absent and home-educated children. The conversation closes with reflections on whether AI will take her own job (and what to advise her children) and a prediction that the most concrete thing AI will fix in mainstream schools is marking. View the show notes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/222-ai-in-education-with-becky-allen

    1hr 36min

  2. 6 DAYS AGO

    #221 Building an AI tutor with Google DeepMind with Bibi Groot (Eedi’s Chief Impact Officer)

    In this episode of the Mr Barton Maths podcast, Craig sits down with Bibi Groot, behavioural scientist at Eedi, to unpack the rigorous research behind their ed-tech work. Bibi traces her journey from the UK's Behavioural Insights Team — where she applied frameworks like EAST (Easy, Attractive, Social, Timely) to public policy — to becoming Eedi's first behavioural scientist after a stint completing a PhD at UCL and having twins. The conversation builds methodically from the fundamentals of randomised control trials (and why they're so notoriously difficult to run well in schools) through the headline results of Eedi's two-year, 20-school RCT showing that students using the platform gained the equivalent of two to four extra months of progress, before diving into the much-publicised Google DeepMind collaboration. That study, run with LearnLM and a human-in-the-loop safety net, found that an AI tutor matched a human tutor on immediate question success and actually outperformed humans on short-term transfer questions — likely because the AI was relentlessly Socratic where time-pressured human tutors tended to short-circuit students' metacognition. Bibi closes by previewing Eedi's much larger four-arm follow-up trial (running until July 2026) testing whether deep student context beats strong pedagogy alone, plus exciting new pilots bringing DQR and WhatsApp-delivered AI tutoring to learners in Guyana, India, and Sub-Saharan Africa. Visit the show notes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/221-building-an-ai-tutor-with-google-deepmind-with-bibi-groot-eedis-chief-impact-officer

    1hr 47min

  3. 29 APR

    #220 AI in Education with Dan Meyer

    A decade after his first appearance on the podcast, Dan Meyer returns to discuss the intersection of AI and mathematics education. Now leading AI feature development at Amplify (which acquired Desmos), Dan brings a uniquely balanced perspective—simultaneously a critic of AI's most maximalist claims and an active builder of AI tools for the classroom. Craig and Dan dig into three core areas: AI as a personal tutor, AI for teacher professional development, and AI for assessment. Along the way, they explore why AI tutors keep falling short of their hype, what Amplify's "discussion moments" feature reveals about thoughtful AI integration, the realities of the Alpha School model, and the social dimensions of learning that no chatbot can replicate. Dan argues that genuine educational improvement may depend less on technology and more on political solutions like teacher pay, class sizes, and addressing inequality—a sobering counterpoint to the dominant AI-as-saviour narrative. the show notes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/220-ai-in-education-with-dan-meyer/

    1hr 26min

  4. 22 APR

    #219 AI in Education with Simon Woodhead (Eedi's Chief Data Scientist)

    In this episode, I welcome my friend and Eedi co-founder, Dr Simon Woodhead. We dive into the evolution of educational technology, data collection, and AI's role in personalised learning. Join us as we reflect on past innovations, current challenges, and future opportunities in edtech, data science, and AI integrations in education. View the show notes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/219-ai-in-education-with-simon-woodhead-eedis-chief-data-scientist

    1hr 47min

  5. 1 APR

    #218 AI in Education with Carl Hendrick

    Education expert Carl Hendrick discusses the transformative potential of AI in education, emphasising how AI can enhance learning science, curriculum design, and personalised instruction. He explores the differences this time around compared to past EdTech innovations and offers insights into practical applications and future implications. Access the shownotes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/218-ai-in-education-with-carl-hendrick

    1hr 5min

  6. 25 MAR

    #217 AI in Education with Adam Boxer

    Discover the nuanced debate around AI's role in education through an in-depth conversation with science teacher and author, Adam Boxer. We explore both the exciting potentials and significant pitfalls of AI tools in teaching, assessment, and resource development. View the episode shownotes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/217-ai-in-education-with-adam-boxer

    1hr 35min

  7. 18 MAR

    #216 AI in Education with Barbara Oakley

    A long-awaited conversation with Barbara Oakley, distinguished professor of engineering, bestselling author, and creator of the world's most popular online course "Learning How to Learn." Barbara shares her remarkable journey from hating maths in school to becoming a champion of cognitive science-based teaching, and brings her expertise in memory and learning to bear on the rapidly evolving world of AI in education. Across four key areas—personalised tutoring, assessment, lesson planning, and teacher professional development—Barbara offers a refreshingly optimistic yet pragmatic take on how generative AI can support learning, while issuing strong warnings about the dangers of constructivist approaches in an AI-enabled world. She makes a passionate case for testing more (not less), for cognitive realist teaching over student-centred approaches, and for bringing the scientific method into education the way it transformed medicine. The conversation ranges from how AI helps her generate metaphors and surprises in her own teaching, to a fascinating insight into how large language models "grok" patterns in ways that mirror human learning. View the show notes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/216-ai-in-education-with-barbara-oakley

    1hr 7min

  8. 11 MAR

    #215 AI in Education with Daisy Christodoulou

    In this in-depth interview, Daisy Christodoulou explores the evolution of AI in education assessment, focusing on the capabilities and limitations of large language models and AI auto-marking systems. She discusses the history, current state, and future potential of AI in assessment, emphasising the importance of human oversight and the challenges of AI interpretability. Daisy Christodoulou discusses the impact of AI on education, assessment, professional development, and resource creation, emphasising the importance of human oversight and strategic integration of technology. Access the show notes here: podcast.mrbartonmaths.com/215-ai-in-education-with-daisy-christodoulou

    1hr 21min
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Craig Barton interviews guests from the wonderful world of education about their approaches to teaching, educational research and more. All show notes, resources and videos here: https://www.mrbartonmaths.com/blog/

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  • Creator
    Craig Barton
  • Years Active
    2015 - 2026
  • Episodes
    222
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Craig Barton
  • Show Website
    Mr Barton Maths Podcast

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