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Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, an ongoing exploration on the future of Platforms & Ecosystems: in these conversations we make sense of what’s next.

Here we explore new perspectives about how we organise at scale in a rapidly changing world.

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Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, an ongoing exploration on the future of Platforms & Ecosystems: in these conversations we make sense of what’s next.

Here we explore new perspectives about how we organise at scale in a rapidly changing world.

    Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations

    Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations

    In this season wrap up, podcast hosts Simone Cicero and Stina Heikkilä talk about the new research compass of Boundaryless and ruminate on some of the gems of the season.Simone and Stina also share some highlights from the long list of episodes of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast — almost 90 and counting! — and provide some pointers for future research. It’s worth catching up with the ideas in the recent blog A Research Compass: Platform-Ecosystem Thinking in 2023 when listening to the wrap up.
    Some of the topics that stood out forming the substance of the new compass include:
    AI and other technological enablers
    A new product management framing
    Building Ecosystemically
    Software-powered Organizational Evolutions
    A new Organizational Focus on Resilience
    The wrap up provides a good appetizer for the upcoming season, which will have some novelties and more co-hosts in store. A special shout-out to Stina who won’t be co-hosting the next season of the podcast. It’s been a great ride and we’re sure that she’ll be back co-hosting more episodes in the future!
    Get in touch with Boundaryless:
    Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at
    https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_
    Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo
    Music
    Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music 

    • 19 min
    S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future

    S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future

    In this season’s final episode, we talk to Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky about how our old ideas of what's normal are disappearing. There is a need to bridge the gap between old and emerging systems, encouraging exploration and experimentation to unlock our Ecosystemic Future.
    Bill Fischer has spent his entire career involved in innovation, from being a practicing development engineer in industry and government; to being an academic researcher, teacher and writer; to being involved in several startups. He is presently a Senior Lecturer at the Sloan School of Management, at MIT, and an Emeritus Professor of Innovation Management at IMD, in Lausanne, Switzerland.Lisa Gansky is a social provocateur, serial entrepreneur, angel investor, advisor, international keynote speaker and author of the bestselling book, “The Mesh: Why the Future of Business is Sharing”. Her work on trust, the sharing economy & innovation has been central in rethinking 21st century governance, business models & community dynamics.  
    The challenges organizations are facing in adapting to rapid change show how traditional organizational structures are no longer working. To adapt to the changing landscape, a mix between AI, Web3 technologies and new ways to governance can allow for flexible and modular ways of organizing. 
    New promises emerge through the overlap between organizations and software that can unlock new ecosystem potential where different players and customers come together, focusing on local relationships and embracing transience for more innovative solutions. 
    Beyond all, it’s important to keep up with optionality and dynamism, both key to the nature of Ecosystemic thinking: co-creation and increasing diversity and variance are going to be key in the markets of the future. 
    These elements provide the backdrop for this Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future.
    Key Highlights 
    👉 The “not yet” is moving faster than the speed at which organizations can adapt
    👉  Un-centralizing for the future: creating Smaller units with more autonomy
    👉  Challenges ahead: technology, jobs, and rethinking traditional career paths
    👉  The old model of “define, refine and scale” is being disrupted by something that's more turbulent and community oriented.
    👉  The S-curve of technology is getting shorter and the narrative behind it different
    👉  Companies need T shaped individuals to serve hubs of people within ecosystems
    👉  Everything is 100% temporal, but our legal systems, our laws, our tax codes, our everything, our educational systems can't keep up with that model.
     
    Topics /chapters
    (00:00) Dynamic Models and Local Engagement: Nature's Inspiration for Future Relationships
    (01:24) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky introduction
    (02:58) Adapting Products, Services, and Work in an Uncertain World
    (14:27) Redefining Careers: From Hierarchy to Portfolio of Projects
    (23:31) Exploring the Potential of Web3 Governance and Programmable Protocols
    (39:46) The Path to Coherence: Navigating the Convergence and Variance in Future Markets
    (51:05) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky’s breadcrumbs
     
    Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/lisa-gansky-and-bill-fischer 
    Recorded on April 13th 2023.
     
    Get in touch with Boundaryless:
    Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_
    Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo
    Music
    Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music 
     

    • 54 min
    S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations

    S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations

    In this episode we dive into the world of smart contracts and their remarkable impact on organizational design. Our guest Justice Conder provides a thought-provoking introduction to what he calls the third law of nature of smart contracts. We explore the transformative journey from traditional corporations to the realm of Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs) keeping a non ideological mindset and examining the challenges of bridging the gap between the two paradigms.
    Justice Conder does DAO Ecosystem Development at Polygon Labs. Before this he was a full-stack developer and Agile practitioner for over ten years and entered the world of DAOs through BanklessDAO, where he contributed as a governance solution engineer.With Justice we explore the disconnect between DAOs and traditional organizations, investigating how smart contracts - as a conceptual evolution of DevOps - could play a pivotal role in driving organizational transformation. We also discuss how pioneering transformations such as the one with Haier’s management model, Rendanheyi, has a symbiotic relationship with the on-chain revolution, offering insights into the future of organizational design and management.
    Get ready to be inspired by the immense potential of Web3 capabilities in product development, and discover how these capabilities can be harnessed to unleash innovation, foster user engagement, and shape the future of products and organizations.
    Key Highlights 
    👉 Smart Contracts and the Third Law of Nature
    👉 DAOs are ideologically framed: a movement for more equitable organizations
    👉 DACs (corporations) rather than DAOs (organizations) may be the space where most of the promises of smart organization lies
    👉 DAOs can magnify rather than solve the tragedy of the commons if leadership is missing
    👉 Progressive decentralization is better than presumptive
    👉 To be on top of organizational transformation, you need to look far ahead of the current state
    Topics /chapters
    (00:00) Smart Contracts: The Unbreakable Third Law of Nature
    (00:55) Justin introduction
    (01:51) from the traditional world into the DAO world
    (04:40) Bridging the Gap: Exploring the Disconnect Between DAOs and Traditional Organizations
    (18:13) The Role of DevOps, Smart Contracts and DAOs in Organizational Transformation
    (27:23) Rendanheyi and the On-Chain Revolution: the Future of Organizational Management
    (41:47) Unleashing the Potential: Harnessing Web3 Capabilities for Product Development
    (54:43) Justice Conder's breadcrumbs
     
    Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/justice-conder
    Recorded on June 2nd 2023.
     
    Get in touch with Boundaryless:
    Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_
    Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo
    Music
    Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music 
     

    • 1 hr
    S04 Ep. 18 Design in the 2020s: More Agency, Less Control with Christian Bason

    S04 Ep. 18 Design in the 2020s: More Agency, Less Control with Christian Bason

    Join us in our latest podcast episode as we delve into the world of design with Dr. Christian Bason, CEO of the Danish Design Center. We explore the crucial role of how we think - the “thinking” part of design thinking - in addressing global challenges.

    • 54 min
    S04 Ep. 17 Nafeez Ahmed - Organizing for a Decade of Global Phase-Shift

    S04 Ep. 17 Nafeez Ahmed - Organizing for a Decade of Global Phase-Shift

    Dr. Nafeez Ahmed joins the show to share his insights about the disruptive nature of technological progress and how it impacts society. He brings our attention to how the transformation of five fundamental production sectors - energy, transport, food, information, and materials - urges organizations to prepare for a decade of global phase shift.  
    In this episode, Dr Nafeez Ahmed helps us gain a better understanding of how exponential technological advancements and economic factors are reshaping our civilization, leading us towards a more decentralized organizing system in a pivotal decade.
    Nafeez is a systems theorist with over 20 years experience, and works as change strategy consultant and investigative journalist. He is the Creator of the Age of Transformation newsletter where he writes about systems thinking for what he calls 'the global phase shift'. He is Director of the Futures Lab at United Communications Ltd where he leads on system transformation advisory services for governments, businesses and charities. Nafeez is also a Distinguished Fellow at the Schumacher Institute for Sustainable Systems and a Commissioner at the Club of Rome's Transformational Economics Commission.
    In this episode, we uncover the challenges faced by established industries in light of the rise of new technologies. With Nafeez, we explore strategic approaches to successfully navigate this phase shift, including basing decisions on the best available empirical evidence and data, and the need for new ways of collaborating in the face of increasing convergence across different sectors under transformation. Nafeez shares his insights about the economic implications of AI and the exciting possibilities of reimagining our future organizing system to fit new systems of production.
    Get ready to delve into the next decade’s phase shift and discover the significance of strategic pivoting in response! 
     
    Key highlights
    👉 The need for a new organizational system to cope with technological disruptions and convergence in key sectors: energy, transport, food, information, and materials
    👉 The importance of active government involvement in rethinking strategies for the global phase shift, from re-evaluating industry investments and supporting workers’ transition to new sectors, to eliminating subsidies and implementing carbon tax.
    👉 Technological advancements in AI and renewable energy will cause us to reconsider our conventional organizing system, with decreased reliance on traditional labor and increased opportunities for participation through decentralized production networks.
    👉 To navigate the changing landscape and seize the opportunities presented by technological advancements, decision-making based on the science and data available, and the adoption of new ways of collaboration across sectors, are essential. 
     
    Topics / Chapters
    (00:00) Nafeez Ahmed quote
    (00:54) Nafeez Ahmed introduction
    (02:26) Rethink Humanity: The Unprecedented Disruptions Shaping Our Future
    (20:56) From Energy to AI: Unthinkable Transformations and Strategic Responses
    (37:32) Navigating the Emergence of Networked and Decentralized Systems
    (50:37) Building a New Civilization: Seizing the Unprecedented Opportunities of Clean Energy and AI
    (59:24) Nafeez Ahmed's breadcrumbs
    Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/nafeez-ahmed 
    Recorded on April 28th 2023.
    Get in touch with Boundaryless:
    Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast 
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_
    Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo
    Music
    Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: blss.io/Podcast-Music 

    • 1 hr 4 min
    S04 Ep. 16. Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert - 4 dimensions of Ownership Economy: Ownco

    S04 Ep. 16. Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert - 4 dimensions of Ownership Economy: Ownco

    Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert join us to share the latest news from Ownco - a platform that combines the best aspects of cooperatives, DAOs, and traditional startups to make shared ownership and the ownership economy more fluid and accessible.
    Ownco’s approach to distributing ownership moves along four key dimensions - Upsides, Status, Influence, Redemption - and is an approach born through testing hypotheses and assessing the actual results produced by early adopters. For example, through Ownco’s credit system companies can issue ownership credits that can be backed - through a legal bridge - with exit proceeds, providing ownership-backed incentives for contributors.
    Ownco believes that achieving ownership sharing can be done with existing legal contracts, while at the same time the potential impacts of Web 3 may be important for the long term.
    Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert are the co-founders with Harry Wilson (not on this podcast) of Ownco.Špela Prijon has been active with startups for a long time, as a founder and team member. Most recently Špel awas Head of CX at Ledgy, leading implementation of all types of equity plans for 100s of startups from seed to IPO stage, in jurisdictions all over the world and it was with such an intimate knowledge of the processes of sharing ownership.Sascha Kellert is a serial-entrepreneur who studied Systems Theory at Bayes Business School in London with a thesis exploring how to design viable businesses using patterns and blueprints from nature. Over the last decade he has been developing practices and tools for the alternative ownership economy, while building his last two VC-funded SaaS/platform startups.
    In this episode, we delve into several practical use cases, talk through regulatory and governance issues, and explore Ownco’s vision of boundaryless, networked organizations, with micro-teams connected through smart contracts and programmable ownership sharing. 
    Enjoy this both practical and inspiring conversation with two of the passionate founders of Ownco. Key Highlights 
    👉 There are more ways to promote co-ownership than developing full-fledged DAOs
    👉 The future is in networks of micro-companies
    👉 Ownco’s four dimensions of co-ownership: Upsides, Status, Influence, Redemption.
    👉 How trust is essential in the time between issuing and fulfilling a contract
    👉 Web3 as enabling inter-company collaboration
    👉 The future of Ownco as an embedded capability rather than a single product
    👉 Ownco’s customer journey starts by asking “What is the progressive decentralization path that they can embark on?”
     
    Topics /chapters
    (00:00) Building Loyalty in Business Communities
    (01:00) Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert introduction
    (02:35) Ownco: Making Equity More Powerful and Leveling the Playing Field
    (05:31) The Ownership Economy and the “credits” model
    (15:55) Legal Bridges: Sharing Ownership Without Complexities
    (21:31) The Growing Demand for Shared Ownership: Ownco's Unique Approach
    (25:55) Building Boundaryless Organizations
    (34:58) Distributing power and ownership within an organization
    (39:18) Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert breadcrumbs
     
    Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/ownco 
     
    Recorded on April 28th 2023.
    Get in touch with Boundaryless:
    Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/boundaryless_
    Website: https://boundaryless.io/contacts
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/boundaryless-pdt-3eo
    Music
    Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music 
     

    • 42 min

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