Estate Agent Showdown

Matt Giggs

Estate Agent Showdown is the ultimate debate show for real estate agents, property industry professionals and investors worldwide. Hosted by the dynamic and insightful Matt, this podcast delivers bold discussions on the hottest industry trends, game-changing business models, and the challenges shaping the future. Each episode brings together two expert guests for unfiltered conversations, real-world insights, and the strategies you need to stay ahead in an ever-evolving market. Whether you're scaling your portfolio, refining your sales tactics, or navigating industry shifts, Estate Agent Showdown keeps you informed, inspired, and ready to win. My mission is to challenge the comfort zone of estate agency, one honest conversation at a time.

  1. 8 hr ago

    The Transparency Funnel: Building Elite Office Culture and Defeating Entrepreneurial Isolation With Darren Somaiya

    What do you do when your business partnership dissolves, your key staff member resigns, and your entire company shrinks down to just two people in the middle of a shifting market? In this highly transparent and inspiring episode of Estate Agent Showdown, Matt Giggs sits down with Darren Somaiya, founder of Portland Estate Agents in Willesden Green, North West London. Darren pulls back the curtain on his pivotal 2018 turning point. He shares the raw reality of going from a top-tier corporate sales negotiator to a business owner who lacked the fundamental leadership, recruitment, and management skills needed to scale. After a grueling partnership split left him at his absolute lowest point, Darren chose to treat the crisis as a clean slate to rebuild his agency with unshakeable pillars. Fast forward to today: Portland Estate Agents has successfully doubled its revenue, established a multi-year staff retention rate, and generated a flawless local reputation with over 400 Google reviews. This conversation is a masterful strategic breakdown for any independent business owner trapped on the front lines. Darren outlines his exact three-stage "dating-style" recruitment funnel that guarantees a perfect cultural fit. He also explains why great leaders must remove the operational glass ceilings that stall employee progression, why micromanagement robs your staff of vital learning opportunities, and why investing in a mastermind community is the ultimate cure for entrepreneurial isolation. Key Takeaways The Reality of Corporate Unlearning: Moving from a top negotiator to a business leader requires completely abandoning standard corporate micromanagement styles in favor of trust and autonomy. The 3-Step Recruitment Funnel: How Darren built a high-performing team by replacing rigid interviews with a selective process: a 15-minute vibe call, a deep-dive goal alignment meeting, and a half-day trial where candidates blend with the team completely unsupervised. Taking Off the Stabilizers: Leaders often protect their teams too much out of a fear of losing fees or clients. Real growth occurs when you step back, allow your people to handle the friction of difficult negotiations, and let them "fall off the bike" on soft ground to build genuine confidence. Defeating the Solitary Grind: Running an independent business as a sole operator is an incredibly lonely journey. Surrounding yourself with a circle of non-competing business owners allows you to share metrics, enforce accountability, and realize your operational challenges are universal. The Genuineness Test: True leadership means aligning your company's actions with your words. If you claim to care about your team, your proactive support during their personal or professional struggles must match the expectations of your speech. Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction: 02:44 – The Best Position Ever: Tracking metrics and maintaining a rising business trajectory. 03:51 – The Secret to Retention: Why team stability is the foundation of long-term traction. 06:43 – The 2018 Turning Point: Rebuilding from the bare bones after a partnership split. 09:56 – The True Cost of Business Ownership: Sacrificing finance, time, and relationships. 12:26 – Playing the Long Game: Moving away from short, transactional wins to long-term trust. 15:13 – Taking Off the Stabilizers: Transitioning from primary salesperson to hands-off strategist. 22:50 – The Employee Mindset vs. Ownership: Identifying "football spectators" in your business. 24:29 – The Transparency Funnel: Darren's radical 3-step recruitment framework. 31:47 – Removing the Glass Ceiling: Empowering your agents to build their own brands. 32:54 – The Bike Analogy: Why micromanagement robs your staff of vital lessons. 36:19 – Defeating Entrepreneurial Isolation: The impact of joining a property mastermind community . 44:05 – Spousal Co-Leadership: Hard truths about running a business with your partner . 49:12 – The Blind Spots: Hiring outside industry experts to audit your operational flaws 01:06:12 – Changing Your Frequency: Reclaiming authenticity and weeding out unaligned circles Darren Somaiya Links https://portlandestateagents.co.uk/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/darren-somaiya/ Social Links YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mattgiggs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠

    1hr 1min
  2. 1 Jul

    The 87% Completion Blueprint — Dismantling the No-Sale, No-Fee Illusion with Ben Roberts

    The tragic reality of the UK property industry is that nearly 60% of what traditional agents put on the market fails to exchange or complete. This means independent operators are sinking thousands of pounds into client acquisition costs for absolutely zero return. In this highly tactical episode of Estate Agent Showdown, Matt Giggs sits down with Ben Roberts, co-leader of Keystone Estate Agents in North East Wales, to reveal how his agency flipped this statistic on its head to achieve a staggering 87% sales completion rate. Ben dives deep into his strict "Upfront Preparation Protocol," explaining how Keystone utilizes an actuary to mathematically evaluate business risk and structure balanced commitment fees. By requiring serious clients to contribute toward pre-market home surveys and upfront solicitor searches, they've successfully filtered out window-shoppers to focus exclusively on highly motivated buyers and sellers. Beyond the strict pipeline mechanics, Ben gets refreshingly transparent about the real-world trials of business ownership. He opens up about the friction of implementing hard office accountability, navigating intense business growth alongside his spouse, and why plugging into a strong mastermind community is the ultimate antidote to entrepreneurial loneliness. Key Takeaways The 87% Upfront Protocol: Discover the exact checklist Ben uses before launching a listing. By securing a pre-market surveyor’s assessment and structuring upfront contract paperwork, they manage client expectations early and bypass mid-deal renegotiations. The Death of "No-Sale, No-Fee": Why the classic estate agency model is financially unsustainable. Ben outlines how shifting to a modest upfront commitment fee filters the pipeline, bringing their premium tier conversion rate to a near flawless 100%. Commanding 2% Fees with Authority: The journey from desperate price-cutting down to a low-margin flat fee, to standing firm on a 2% commission structure backed by undeniable, proactive vendor value. The 33% Valuation Sweet Spot: Why hitting a sky-high listing ratio might actually mean your business is underpriced. Ben breaks down why converting roughly a third of market appraisals signals premium market positioning. The Power of Shared Learning: How leaving your local high-street echo chamber to visit and audit non-competing agencies nationwide can supercharge your operational framework. Timestamps [00:00:11] – The 185-mile journey to uncover an elite 87% transaction completion rate. [00:02:03] – Rushing to market is a mistake: The core mechanics of proper home preparation. [00:04:26] – Slicing through sales progression stress using upfront pre-market surveys. [00:06:14] – Complete transparency: Showing buyers the property flaws before fixing an official price. [00:08:08] – Filtering the pipeline with upfront registration and commitment fees. [00:11:28] – The Actuary Spreadsheet: Mathematically shifting how your business protects its overheads. [00:15:13] – Shifting from multi-tiered offices to assigning an exclusive "Personal Agent" from start to finish. [00:16:31] – Managing employee friction when moving a 20-year-old traditional agency to rigorous accountability. [00:23:21] – Throwback to the dark days of price wars and charging a dangerous flat fee. [00:27:29] – The fee premium paradox: Why raising commission splits actually increased client conversion ratios. [00:30:45] – Identifying your target client persona and saying "no" to unaligned vendors. [00:37:18] – Embracing systemic organizational chaos as a future-focused entrepreneur. [00:44:05] – Spousal business leadership: Navigating the crossover between marriage and corporate boundaries. [00:51:10] – Scaling past isolation through local property mastermind groups and trusted peer circles. [00:57:27] – Shaving search lag down to zero: Setting up direct contracts with upfront documentation suppliers.

    1hr 10min
  3. 24 Jun

    The Cost of Silence: Overcoming Shame, Facing Trauma, and the Truth About Assertiveness with Angie McQuillin

    In this incredibly raw, unfiltered, and deeply moving episode of Estate Agent Showdown, Matt Giggs sits down with confidence and assertiveness coach Angie McQuillin. While this show usually highlights external metrics, team achievements, and business performance, today’s conversation goes completely under the hood to explore the hidden struggles, past traumas, and internal battles that dictate how we show up in our lives and businesses. Angie shares her harrowing personal journey of breaking a 23-year silence to enter a grueling six-year battle within the justice system to convict her childhood abuser. She reveals the devastating cost of keeping toxic secrets, how hiding her trauma led to severe PTSD and panic attacks, and the liberating moment she decided to stop prioritizing other people's comfort over her own survival. We also pull back the curtain on the artificial reality of social media branding. Angie candidly admits how she was recycling old, smiling photos and posting generic business advice to maintain a "together" online persona while secretly imploding and gasping for air on her living room floor. This episode is a profound masterclass for anyone looking to escape the prison of people-pleasing, master difficult conversations, and expand their true emotional bandwidth. Key Takeaways The Universal Fear of Tough Conversations: Why people in all industries actively avoid uncomfortable communication. Angie explains how the unconscious drivers of rejection, judgment, isolation, and people-pleasing create a destructive cycle of avoidance. The "Wiggle Room" Strategy: Learn a game-changing framework for assertiveness. Instead of attacking with absolute statements, framing conversations around your personal interpretation gives you the flexibility to resolve conflict with integrity and kindness. The True Cost of Silence: Angie details the invisible architecture of shame. Suppressing significant parts of your past or current reality actively erodes you from the inside out, manifesting as corporate burnout, chronic anxiety, escapism, or severe depression. Dismantling the Social Media Lie: A look at the psychological toll of maintaining a manicured personal brand when your actual life is in crisis. Owning Your Identity Without Shame: How stepping into a dark place allows you to expand your emotional bandwidth, change your frequency, choose the right circles, and achieve true personal liberation. Angie McQuillin https://www.linkedin.com/in/angiemcquillincoaching/ https://www.youtube.com/@Unsilencedsurvivor Social Links Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/

    1hr 11min
  4. What's the Biggest Lesson From 50 Episodes of Estate Agent Showdown?

    17 Jun

    What's the Biggest Lesson From 50 Episodes of Estate Agent Showdown?

    What if the comfort you've built for your team is the very thing stopping them from growing? To mark 50 episodes, the format flips: Simon Gates and James Kendall step into the host chairs to interview Matt Giggs himself. The conversation moves through Matt's leap out of corporate estate agency life, the brutal first year as an area manager, and the partnership mistakes that taught him the cost of vague vision and mismatched expectations. They dig into why removing "stabilisers" from a team matters more than people think, how self-employed brokerage models are creating mass dilution in the market, and which industries outside property produce genuinely great agents. Listeners will take away practical thinking on retention versus recruitment, how to get genuinely curious about what motivates the people around you, and where AI tools can save real hours without losing the human touch that still wins business. Tune in for an honest, unfiltered look at building a property business, a team and a life worth being present for. KEY TAKEAWAYS Stop "stabilising" your team. Matt argues that constantly propping up staff prevents real growth — people need support, guidance and room to fail, not permanent training wheels. Get crystal clear before forming a business partnership. Matt's biggest regret was entering partnerships without a shared vision, mission and values, which created years of directional chaos. Get curious about outcomes, not just numbers. Whether managing staff or working with clients, ask what someone is actually trying to achieve before assuming it's purely financial. Use AI to enable people, not replace them. Tools that triage email or draft responses can save hours a week, but the human touch still closes deals and handles emotionally charged moments. Protect your evenings and sleep. Matt credits avoiding his phone after 8pm and getting consistent sleep as simple, sustainable habits behind his energy and performance. STANDOUT QUOTES "Soldiers watch what their generals do." "We don't need stabilizers. You need support, you need guidance, you need mentorship. You need to be allowed to fail, make mistakes." "People pay for value... if people perceive the value to be greater than what you're charging, they will do it." "Your kids won't necessarily remember the Dubai holidays and the flashy cars. They'll remember you being there." "You don't know what you don't know until you do it." Social Links ⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    1hr 19min
  5. 10 Jun

    The Next Chapter of Estate Agency: Leadership, Culture and Creating Opportunity With Ian Macbeth and Lee O'Brien

    In this episode of Estate Agent Showdown, we sit down with industry leaders Ian Macbeth (Avocado Property) and Lee O'Brien (iad UK) to discuss one of the biggest shifts happening in UK estate agency today. From self-employed agency models and business partnerships to leadership, culture, recruitment, and long-term growth, this conversation explores what it really takes to build a successful modern estate agency. We dive into the challenges of scaling a business, maintaining alignment across teams, and why many traditional agency models are being challenged by more flexible, agent-focused approaches. The discussion also covers business mergers, brand identity, profitability, succession planning, and the future direction of the property industry. Whether you're an estate agent, business owner, entrepreneur, or property professional, this episode is packed with insights on growth, leadership, innovation, and building a business that can thrive in today's market. The guests discuss the importance of culture, systems, strategic partnerships, agent success, and why the future may belong to businesses that can adapt and evolve. Key Takeaways: Why culture and alignment matter more than ever when scaling a business. The biggest opportunities facing estate agents over the next decade. How partnerships can accelerate growth and create new opportunities for agents. Lessons learned from transitioning brands and navigating major business change. Why systems, mentorship, and long-term thinking are becoming essential for modern estate agency success. Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction 07:38 - How the partnership/alliance began 10:56 - Stronger together: growth strategy 18:14 - Culture, values & alignment 23:29 - Rebranding and letting go of a legacy brand 27:00 - Agent success stories & growth 30:50 - Why agents are succeeding in the model 33:46 - The future of estate agency 44:18 - Growth, partnerships & recruitment 01:09:22 - Brokerage acquisitions & scaling Social Links Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    1hr 34min
  6. 3 Jun

    Radical Candor in Real Estate: What Most Bosses Won't Say

    What separates the estate agencies that evolve and dominate from the ones that quietly disappear? In this unfiltered showdown, industry legends break down the raw truths about modern leadership, the myth of the self-employed broker model, and how AI is completely shifting who wins next. Key Takeaways The "Pro Sports Team" Culture: Great businesses shouldn't be run like a dysfunctional family where bad behavior is tolerated; they must be managed like a professional sports team with radical candor, clear expectations, and uncompromising standards. The Core Elements of Business Generation (The MSC Model): True real estate success relies strictly on three avenues: Mining your database, Stealing competitor listings, and Creating new business out of life stages—the last of which is dangerously absent in today's market. The Trap of the Second Cheapest: Discounting your commission is a downward spiral to poor staffing and zero public respect. In a homogenized market, you never want to find your business sitting as the second cheapest option. Special Forces over Support Staff: The future of agency belongs to "Intelligent Agency"—automating support roles and heavy admin while investing massively in elite, highly-paid talent who excel at the face-to-face marketing appraisal. Social Links Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    1hr 20min
  7. 20 May

    The 14-Day Leap: Leaving a 24-Year Corporate Career to Go Self-Employed

    Most success stories are told in hindsight, once the risk has already paid off. This episode is different. Matt Giggs sits down with Luke Pearce, an agent who is only two weeks into his journey as a self-employed partner with Giggs and Co. After 24 years of employed roles and a steady salary, Luke shares the raw, "frightening" reality of stepping into the unknown to build something for himself. From sitting at a new dining room table on day one to the mental battle between a brain that craves safety and a heart that demands freedom, this conversation explores the messy middle of a career pivot. Luke and Matt discuss the importance of daily discipline, why the biggest commission isn't always the best deal, and the satisfying "personal win" of creating your own leads from scratch. Key Takeaways The Reality of the Leap: Luke candidly describes the "What have I done?" moment and how he manages the transition from a "caged" corporate environment to total autonomy. Discipline Over Comfort: Why Luke still gets dressed as if he’s going to appointments while working from home to maintain a professional mindset. The "Softer Landing" Strategy: Luke explains why he chose a partnership model over going 100% solo, leveraging an existing database and administrative support to hit the ground running. Backing Your Performance: Matt discusses why self-employment can actually be more secure than a job because you are in full control of your own performance and consistency. The Identity Shift: Moving from being "Kim from Vibe" or "Luke the Employee" to finding a true authentic voice that resonates with clients. Timestamps [00:01:17] – "Absolutely frightening": Luke’s honest take on his first two weeks. [00:02:11] – The 24-year milestone: Why security wasn't enough anymore. [00:04:24] – Moving house and changing jobs at the same time: A recipe for risk. [00:08:43] – The Corporate Trap: Learning the structure but losing the freedom. [00:15:21] – Logic vs. Emotion: How to pay the bills when the safety net is gone. [00:22:30] – Why choice matters: Comparing different self-employed agency models. [00:31:05] – Working from home: Managing four cats and a new routine. [00:34:18] – The first win: Why a lead you created feels better than any inbound call. [00:41:26] – Year One: Setting goals without adding undue pressure. Luke Pearce Links https://uk.linkedin.com/in/luke-pearce-8308228b Social Links YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mattgiggs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    52 min
  8. 13 May

    Dear Sirs, It’s Over: Breaking the Glass Ceiling in Estate Agency with Ellie Rees & Alexandra Hearn

    In this highly anticipated and occasionally heated episode of Estate Agent Showdown, Matt Giggs is joined by Ellie Rees, co-founder of Brickworks, and Alexandra Hearn from TAUK. What started as a LinkedIn debate over a lack of diversity in industry imagery turns into a raw, honest exploration of the "sexist culture" still embedded in many traditional agencies. Ellie shares the incredible story of her viral "Dear Sirs" campaign, which reached over 81 million views and forced the Law Society to rewrite their official guidelines. Alexandra discusses her journey as an early adopter of the self-employed model and the challenges of being a young female branch manager in environments dominated by "testosterone and golf". This isn't just a conversation about problems; it’s a deep dive into tangible solutions. We explore why women naturally possess the "secret sauce" of agency—listening and empathy—and how the industry must evolve to support the "Motherhood Penalty" if it wants to keep its best talent. Key Takeaways The "Dear Sirs" Victory: Learn how one person’s refusal to accept an outdated salutation led to a meeting with the Law Society and a national shift toward inclusive language. The Motherhood Penalty: A frank discussion on the use of NDAs for pregnant employees and the 71% of women who feel discriminated against by clients based on gender. Performance vs. Trust: Drawing on Simon Sinek’s Navy SEALs analogy, the guests explain why "toxic" high-performers are being replaced by leaders who value high-trust and emotional intelligence. Intentional Recruitment: Why diversity doesn't happen by accident. Ellie explains the concept of "affirmative action" and why she deliberately built a diverse team to foster better results. The Power of Perception: Matt reflects on his own learning curve regarding how content is framed and why leaders have a responsibility to show "what good looks like" beyond the traditional stereotype. Self-Employment as Freedom: How the rise of self-employed models is allowing women to control their own destinies and bypass the "rigged" corporate ladder. Timestamps [00:01:28] – Introducing Ellie Rees and the birth of Brickworks. [00:04:19] – The LinkedIn post that sparked this conversation. [00:09:22] – Overlooked and underestimated: Real stories from the high street. [00:16:53] – Why Ellie calls things out: Using privilege to effect change. [00:18:24] – The "Motherhood Penalty" and the shocking truth about NDAs. [00:25:41] – Recruitment and Language: Why anonymous CVs are changing the game. [00:30:43] – High Performance vs. High Trust: The Navy SEAL approach. [00:34:50] – The "Dear Sirs" Campaign: From national radio to the Law Society boardroom. [00:46:32] – Waiting for the "Dinosaurs" to die out vs. facilitating change now. [00:54:21] – Embracing flexibility: Why the 8:30–6:30 office model is failing caregivers. [01:07:33] – Creating a new culture: Taking the " youngest daughter" to a valuation. Ellie Rees https://withbrickworks.com/ https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ellie-rees-68881535 Alexandra Hearn https://theagencyuk.com/our-agents/estate-agents-in-brighton/ https://uk.linkedin.com/in/alexandra-hearn-13266b16 https://www.instagram.com/alexandrapropertybrighton/ Social Links YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@mattgiggs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/giggsmatt/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@giggsmatt⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattgiggs/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ This Podcast has been brought to you by Disruptive Media. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://disruptivemedia.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠

    1hr 39min
5
out of 5
17 Ratings

About

Estate Agent Showdown is the ultimate debate show for real estate agents, property industry professionals and investors worldwide. Hosted by the dynamic and insightful Matt, this podcast delivers bold discussions on the hottest industry trends, game-changing business models, and the challenges shaping the future. Each episode brings together two expert guests for unfiltered conversations, real-world insights, and the strategies you need to stay ahead in an ever-evolving market. Whether you're scaling your portfolio, refining your sales tactics, or navigating industry shifts, Estate Agent Showdown keeps you informed, inspired, and ready to win. My mission is to challenge the comfort zone of estate agency, one honest conversation at a time.

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