GRIEF Ladies: A Guide to What Comes Next

Karyn Arnold and Kelly Daugherty
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GRIEF Ladies is a grief support podcast for anyone coping with the death of a loved one. If you're wondering how to handle overwhelming emotions, grief, anxiety, grief brain, loneliness after loss, or how to stay connected to someone who died, you're in the right place. Hosted by grief professionals Kelly Daugherty and Karyn Arnold, this podcast offers practical coping tools, grounded conversations, and guidance for navigating life after loss. Each episode explores real questions people ask: Why am I still grieving so intensely? How do I calm my nervous system when grief hits? Is it healthy to stay connected to someone who died? Why do relationships change after loss? How do I rebuild my life after someone dies? Unlike stage-based models of grief, GRIEF Ladies uses the GRIEF Framework: Grounding, Rebuilding, Interacting, Evolving, and Finding as flexible trail markers to help you take small, actionable steps forward. You'll hear: Evidence-based grief education Nervous system and coping skills tools Continuing bonds perspectives Interviews with grief experts Honest conversations about complicated emotions Whether you're grieving the loss of a parent, spouse, child, sibling, or friend, this podcast offers steady support without clichés, pressure to "move on," or unrealistic timelines. Subscribe for weekly episodes and practical tools to help you navigate grief with intention, compassion, and connection.

  1. 6 hr ago

    Rebuilding Your Life, One Small Step at a Time with Rubina Chadha

    When grief upends your life, the idea of rebuilding can feel completely overwhelming. In this episode, leadership strategist, mindfulness educator, and trauma-informed professional Rubina Chadha shares a simple, practical framework for rebuilding after loss — one breath, one honest need, and one next step at a time. Rubina introduces her R3 method — Regulate, Realign, Rewire — and explains why grief often looks like inconsistency or lack of discipline when what it actually is is a nervous system carrying an enormous amount of change. She talks about breath literacy, why your car is where most grief actually happens, how to create routines that support the person you are becoming rather than the person you were before, and why resting without apology is one of the most important things a grieving person can do. Rubina also shares from her own experience — her dad died just two months before this recording — and what it means to honor someone by carrying forward the parts of them that shaped you. Her closing thought: rebuilding is not returning to who you were before the loss. It is learning how to create a meaningful life that includes both the love and the absence. Guest Bio:  Rubina Chadha is a leadership strategist, mindfulness educator, and trauma informed professional who teaches executives and high performing teams how to regulate their nervous systems before they lead. She is the founder of Inner Design™, a performance methodology that integrates breathwork, neuroscience, and creative cognition to strengthen decision making, sharpen messaging, and build sustainable authority. Rubina is the winner of Most Impactful Woman of the Year for her episode in the global docuseries Women In Power on Inside Success TV, recognized for her measurable impact in transforming burnout into strategic clarity for leaders across industries. With over a decade of experience spanning education, creative industries, and executive development, Rubina equips audiences with practical regulation tools that increase cognitive flexibility, emotional precision, and presence under pressure. Her work reframes leadership as internal infrastructure. When the nervous system is regulated, communication becomes coherent, decisions convert with greater precision, and stabilizes you from the inside out. Connect with Rubina: rubina@theinnerdesign.com GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    Rebuilding Your Life, One Small Step at a Time with Rubina Chadha

  2. 21 Oct

    Grounding Through Grief with Nature and the Body with Cat Capowski

    What if nature itself could be your co-therapist in grief? In this episode of the GRIEF Ladies Podcast, clinical social worker, yoga and qigong teacher, and eco-psychologist Cat Capowski shares how the natural world offers one of the most powerful and accessible paths to grounding and healing after loss. Nature teaches us that grief and loss are part of the natural order — and that from them can emerge growth, renewal, and new beginnings. Winter stillness mirrors the quiet of grief, while spring's return shows that growth can emerge from what we endured. Trees shed their leaves without resistance. A river carries and moves what it cannot hold. Nature shows us that holding onto the past is not necessary for moving forward. Cat walks through nature-based therapy, also known as eco-psychology, and how the relationship between our internal landscape — the mind, emotions, and nervous system — and the external living world serves as a primary engine for healing. She shares how to create impermanent earth altars and nature-based rituals that anchor grief in meaning, why qigong and gentle movement help release what the body is holding, and simple practices anyone can do even in the darkest winter months when getting outside feels impossible. Plus: the story of Cat's dad, her hiking buddy, and the hiking boots she wore as a pallbearer to carry him one last time. Guest Bio: Cat Capowski of Catalyst Mindfulness is a clinical social worker, a yoga and Qi gong teacher and an Ayurvedic Mental Health and Wellness Coach. She is certified in Eco psychology, and has spent more than three decades working as a social worker and psychotherapist , supporting individuals, groups, and family systems through healing, transition, recovery, and personal growth.  Cat's personal practice of yoga, Qi Gong, meditation, mindfulness and Nature based healing deeply informs both her life and her work. For many years, Cat  has integrated mind-body practices helping clients to regulate their nervous systems, cultivate resilience, and develop sustainable tools for stress management and emotional well-being. Connect with Cat: https://www.catalystmindfulness.com GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    Grounding Through Grief with Nature and the Body with Cat Capowski

  3. 14 Oct

    How Nature and Gardening Can Help You Heal After Loss with Heather Jerrard

    Grief can leave you feeling completely untethered, from yourself, from your life, and from your sense of purpose. In this episode, landscape designer, entrepreneur, and podcast host Heather Jerrard shares how nature, gardening, and getting your hands in the soil can be one of the most powerful and accessible tools for healing after loss. Heather opens up about her own experience of disenfranchised grief, the loss of her job, her identity, and everything she had worked toward  and how that unexpected loss eventually became the catalyst for building something entirely her own. She also talks about memorial gardens, the healing art of scattering gardens, the therapeutic benefits of grounding barefoot in the grass for just twenty minutes, and why speaking out loud to your loved one in the garden might be exactly what you need. Plus: the story of Aunt Hattie, a fire opal ring that turned out to be citrine, and what it means to carry the best of someone with you after they are gone. Guest Bio:  "Heather owns and operates a Landscape Design firm out of London, Ontario – "My Landscape Artist" and also hosts the podcast "Hops and Hedges". Her passion and enthusiasm for people and plants are undeniable! She has studied Landscape Design at Fanshawe College, Garden History in Italy & Spain, worked at a design firm in Cairo, Egypt, lived in India, and volunteered in Haiti. She started her business during the pandemic in 2020 and hasn't looked back. Now she teaches, designs, builds gardens, and speaks virtually/in person all over Ontario - and one day - the world!"  Connect with Heather:  website: https://www.mylandscapeartist.ca/ i nsta:https://www.instagram.com/mylandscapeartist/ GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    How Nature and Gardening Can Help You Heal After Loss with Heather Jerrard

  4. 7 Oct

    The Grief of Estrangement: Energy, Attachment, and Healing with Chris Wasko

    Estrangement is one of the most misunderstood and isolating grief experiences there is — because you're mourning someone who is still alive. In this episode, spiritual counselor, energy healer, and psychic medium Chris Wasko shares what estrangement actually looks like from an energetic standpoint, why cutting ties with family is never as clean as it sounds, and how the cords we form with the people closest to us don't just disappear when we walk away. Chris draws on her own experience of estranging from both parents after years of physical and emotional abuse, and explains how grief shows up in the body's energy system — in the heart, the solar plexus, and the root chakra — and what somatic practices like breathwork, tapping, and movement can do to help shift what feels stuck. She also talks about how to remember loved ones at their best, and why movement plus experience equals progression. Guest Bio: Chris Wasko is a spiritual counselor, energy healer, and psychic medium who specializes in trauma recovery and nervous system regulation. She is the author of An Old Soul's Journey and the creator of Spicy Old Souls®, a program for deep-level soul healing. Chris specializes in reading the chakra system and listening to the story the body wants to share.  Connect with Chris: https://www.chriswasko.com/ GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    The Grief of Estrangement: Energy, Attachment, and Healing with Chris Wasko

  5. 30 Sept

    Grief, Menopause, and the Empty Nest: When It All Hits at Once with Tammy Medigovich

    What happens when grief, perimenopause, and an empty nest all show up in your life at the same time? For Tammy Medigovich, a real estate broker who built her 23-year career on deep relationships, the answer was a complete identity crisis and eventually, a complete rebuild. In this episode, Tammy shares what it was like to lose her mother unexpectedly while simultaneously navigating her son leaving for college and the onset of perimenopause, and why she briefly considered leaving her career altogether because she no longer wanted to be around people. She talks about the difference between grief symptoms and hormonal symptoms and why getting hormone testing alongside grief support gave her real clarity, plus the power of journaling, the importance of deepening relationships through vulnerability, and her unforgettable metaphor for grief: a backpack full of rocks that never fully goes away, but gets easier to carry. Guest Bio: Tammy is a real estate broker in Arizona and built her 23 year career working by referral. Her focus is building relationships not tallying transactions. Tammy is also a speaker sharing her perspective on grief, menopause and being an empty nester.  Connect with Tammy:  https://www.thezonalife.com/ GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

  6. 23 Sept

    You Are Not Doing Grief Wrong: One Year of the GRIEF Ladies Podcast

    One year ago Kelly and Karyn started a podcast because they kept having the same conversation — the one that wasn't happening anywhere else. This episode is a chance to reflect on what that year has looked like, what grieving people are actually going through, and where the GRIEF Ladies are headed next. In this special anniversary episode Kelly and Karyn talk about why grief feels so isolating even when you have support, why so many people come to them feeling like they are doing grief wrong, and what over 50 combined years of walking alongside grieving people has taught them. They also share some big news: the upcoming release of The Grief Ladies Guide, How to Grieve with Love Instead of Pain, along with its companion workbook, a new eight week grief group, and what is coming in year two of the podcast. If you have ever felt like everyone else is handling grief better than you, this episode is for you. GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    You Are Not Doing Grief Wrong: One Year of the GRIEF Ladies Podcast

  7. 16 Sept

    The Connection Between Unprocessed Grief and Physical Illness with Christina Kantzavelos

    What happens when you push grief behind a wall for years? For Christina Kantzavelos, a licensed psychotherapist and chronic illness advocate, the answer was her body. After losing her brother Peter at 19, Christina spent years stuffing her grief down, working harder, and eventually becoming so ill she couldn't care for herself — including leaving behind her work with Doctors Without Borders in Mexico. In this episode, Christina shares why the nervous system has to come first before any grief or trauma work can really land, how EFT tapping can be a simple and immediate tool for emotional regulation, and what it looks like to finally face the grief you've been avoiding. She also talks about survivor's guilt, identity loss in chronic illness, and why finding the right therapist is a little like finding the right bathing suit — sometimes you have to try a few before one fits. This episode connects to the G in the GRIEF Ladies framework: Grounding — eating, sleeping, moving, and stabilizing the nervous system as the foundation for everything else. Guest Bio: Christina Kantzavelos is a licensed psychotherapist, coach, writer, advocate, speaker, and artist. She received her Bachelor's and Master's of Social Welfare (MSW) from UCLA and her Masters of Library and Information Sciences from SJSU. In her clinical practice, Begin Within Today, she treats those with chronic illness, including Lyme disease, and physical, developmental, and age-related disabilities. She is also the author of the Begin Within daily health and wellness journals.   - Website: https://www.beginwithintoday.com   - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beginwithintoday   - Journal: http://www.beginwithintoday.com/journal -Facebook.com/beginwithintoday www.linkedin.com/in/christinakantzavelos GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    The Connection Between Unprocessed Grief and Physical Illness with Christina Kantzavelos

  8. 9 Sept

    Why the Five Stages of Grief Are a Myth, Spiritual Bypassing, and Healing Rituals with Dr. Terri Daniel

    If you've ever felt like you were grieving "wrong" because you weren't moving through the five stages, this episode is for you. Dr. Terri Daniel, end-of-life educator, hospice chaplain, and grief counselor, breaks down exactly why the five stages were never meant to apply to grief, why acceptance comes first, not last, and why confusing grief with depression is one of the most harmful things we do to grieving people. Dr. Terri also unpacks spiritual bypassing, what it is, where it shows up, and how to tell when it's helping versus hurting and shares the role of chaplains in end-of-life care that has nothing to do with religion. She closes with some of the most beautiful and practical grief rituals you'll ever hear, including the shoe insole ritual that will change the way you think about giving away a loved one's belongings. All of this from a woman who has been making her son's lemon cake with chocolate frosting every year for 19 years. Guest Bio: Dr. Terri Daniel is an end-of-life educator, inter-spiritual hospice chaplain and grief counselor certified in death, dying and bereavement by the Association of Death Education and Counseling and in family-focused grief therapy by The Portland Institute. She conducts workshops throughout the U.S. and is an adjunct instructor in thanatology and chaplaincy at Marian University, United Theological Seminary, and the Graduate Theological Union. Terri is also the founder of The Conference on Death, Grief and Belief, and the Ask Doctor Death podcast. Terri has a BA in Religious Studies from Marylhurst University, an MA in Pastoral Care from Fordham University, and a Doctor of Ministry in Pastoral Care and Counseling from the San Francisco Theological Seminary (CV). Recently published papers include: THE STUBBORN PERSISTENCE OF GRIEF STAGE THEORIES https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/GQCEAZBUJPBN8ZZFPWA8/full Toxic Theology as a Contributing Factor in Complicated Mourning https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/GKSJEVZXUMFNI7QCNUZZ/full Adding a New Dimension to Grief Counseling: Creative Personal Ritual as a Therapeutic Tool for Loss, Trauma and Transition https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/AWU3PMIA6MFRXPRVQ5FI/full Connect with Terri: terri@danieldirect.net office@deathgriefandbelief.com www.deathgriefandbelief.com GRIEF Ladies: Your Guide to What Comes Next If you're ready to move forward without moving on—this show is for you. 🎧 Follow and connect: https://www.griefladies.com/ Kelly Daugherty: https://www.kellydaugherty.com/ Karyn Arnold: https://www.griefincommon.com/ Stay up to date with all the latest information about The GRIEF Ladies- Sign up for our newsletter at: www.griefladies.com Join the FREE, Private Facebook GRIEF Ladies Community: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/16WuZNsNGu/ The GRIEF Ladies podcast offers education and support for people living with grief after someone they love has died. Our content is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care or crisis services. If you are in crisis or concerned about your safety, call 988 in the U.S. or contact local emergency services. Guest perspectives shared on this platform are their own and may not reflect the views or positions of The Grief Ladies.

    Why the Five Stages of Grief Are a Myth, Spiritual Bypassing, and Healing Rituals with Dr. Terri Daniel
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GRIEF Ladies is a grief support podcast for anyone coping with the death of a loved one. If you're wondering how to handle overwhelming emotions, grief, anxiety, grief brain, loneliness after loss, or how to stay connected to someone who died, you're in the right place. Hosted by grief professionals Kelly Daugherty and Karyn Arnold, this podcast offers practical coping tools, grounded conversations, and guidance for navigating life after loss. Each episode explores real questions people ask: Why am I still grieving so intensely? How do I calm my nervous system when grief hits? Is it healthy to stay connected to someone who died? Why do relationships change after loss? How do I rebuild my life after someone dies? Unlike stage-based models of grief, GRIEF Ladies uses the GRIEF Framework: Grounding, Rebuilding, Interacting, Evolving, and Finding as flexible trail markers to help you take small, actionable steps forward. You'll hear: Evidence-based grief education Nervous system and coping skills tools Continuing bonds perspectives Interviews with grief experts Honest conversations about complicated emotions Whether you're grieving the loss of a parent, spouse, child, sibling, or friend, this podcast offers steady support without clichés, pressure to "move on," or unrealistic timelines. Subscribe for weekly episodes and practical tools to help you navigate grief with intention, compassion, and connection.

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