In this Confab, Max sit down with Kevin Loaec, CEO of WizardSardine, for a frank discussion on the surge in coordinated, violent Bitcoin-related kidnappings in France and broader personal security lessons for anyone holding wealth. They explore practical, non-technical measures—community awareness, operational silence, modest living, and physical deterrents—alongside technical defences that reduce attacker incentives. Kevin explains why the threat was “late but inevitable,” how societal factors may be fuelling the crime wave, and why relocation and strong local networks can matter as much as any wallet setup. Max and Kevin discuss Liana, WizardSardine’s time-locked, Taproot-powered wallet. Kevin breaks down inheritance-first design, decaying/expanding policies, and how time locks can prevent premature access while enabling robust recovery for families and businesses—without revealing recovery paths on-chain. They cover miniscript device support (what works today and what’s missing), fee/UX trade-offs, future payjoin integrations, and how to pair Liana with spending wallets or Lightning for better privacy. If you’ve ever worried about $5 wrench attacks, estate planning, or operational resilience, this one’s essential listening. HELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDONSIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools DONATE TO THE FAMILIES ----> https://www.givesendgo.com/billandkeonneSUPPORT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ---> https://billandkeonne.org/ VALUE FOR VALUE Thanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows. You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure. TIME: - create fountain clips for the show - create a meetup - help boost the signal on social media TALENT: - create ungovernable misfit inspired art, animation or music - design or implement some software that can make the podcast better - use whatever talents you have to make a contribution to the show! TREASURE: - BOOST IT OR STREAM SATS on the Podcasting 2.0 apps @ https://podcastapps.com - DONATE via Monero @ https://xmrchat.com/ugmf - BUY SOME STICKERS @ https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/shop/ FOUNDATION https://foundation.xyz/ungovernable Foundation builds Bitcoin-centric tools that empower you to reclaim your digital sovereignty. As a sovereign computing company, Foundation is the antithesis of today’s tech conglomerates. Returning to cypherpunk principles, they build open source technology that “can’t be evil”. Thank you Foundation Devices for sponsoring the show! Use code: Ungovernable for $10 off of your purchase CAKE WALLET https://cakewallet.com Cake Wallet is an open-source, non-custodial wallet available on Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux. Features: - Built-in Exchange: Swap easily between Bitcoin and Monero. - User-Friendly: Simple interface for all users. Monero Users: - Batch Transactions: Send multiple payments at once. - Faster Syncing: Optimized syncing via specified restore heights - Proxy Support: Enhance privacy with proxy node options. Bitcoin Users: - Coin Control: Manage your transactions effectively. - Silent Payments: Static bitcoin addresses - Batch Transactions: Streamline your payment process. Thank you Cake Wallet for sponsoring the show! MYNYMBOX https://mynymbox.io Your go-to for anonymous server hosting solutions, featuring: virtual private & dedicated servers, domain registration and DNS parking. We don't require any of your personal information, and you can purchase using Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero and many other cryptos. Explore benefits such as No KYC, complete privacy & security, and human support. (00:00) INTRO (01:20) THANK YOU FOUNDATION (02:11) THANK YOU CAKE WALLET (02:52) THANK YOU MYNYMBOX (03:36) Kicking Off With Kevin (09:21) Non-Technical Wealth Defense (16:18) Why France? (26:31) Designing Deterrence (30:51) Liana Deep Dive (44:03) Miniscript Musings (53:36) BOOSTS
