Probation Behavior

Ally and Abby

Probation Behavior is a true crime podcast hosted by Ally and Abby, exploring cases that caused chaos and captured public attention. With empathy, curiosity, and just enough banter, we break down the story, the psychology, and the public reaction that kept people talking. At the center of every case are real people who should still be here today. We focus on who they were, who loved them, and the lives that were taken too soon. We’re always learning and welcome feedback on how to approach these stories with care and respect. ⏩https://linktr.ee/probationbehavior⏪

  1. 27 Aug

    21 | George Smith: Vanished on his Honeymoon

    In this episode, Abby covers the mysterious disappearance of George Smith IV, a 26-year-old newlywed who vanished from Royal Caribbean’s Brilliance of the Seas during his Mediterranean honeymoon in July 2005. A suspicious stain beneath the couple’s balcony, conflicting accounts of George’s final hours, and questions about the people last seen with him have fueled years of speculation over whether his disappearance was a tragic accident or something more sinister. Before we get into the case, we talk about Abby getting engaged and designating Ally as her flower girl, the continued injustice of dealing with acne as adults, and Ally’s latest TV obsession, Hacks—which has officially made her list of the top 10 shows of all time. At this point, Ally’s TV obsession of the week should probably be its own segment. Abby also discusses her love for Married at First Sight. Story starts: 10:45 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: @probationbehavior Join our Patreon Email: probationbehavior@gmail.com Case request form: Submit a case request Sources: CBS News/48 Hours: Murder at Sea? The Disappearance of George SmithCBS News: Was a Connecticut Man Who Disappeared During His Honeymoon Cruise Murdered at Sea?ABC News: Honeymoon From Hell—Husband Vanishes at SeaABC News: New Details in Case of Honeymooner Lost at SeaCNN: Mystery at Sea—George Smith Disappearance TranscriptU.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation: Cruise Ship Safety—Examining Potential Steps for Keeping Americans Safe at SeaFox News: Where Is George Smith?

  2. 13 Aug

    19 | Cora, Dawson, and Callan: The Lindsay Clancy Case So Far

    In this episode, Ally and Abby both cover the deaths of Cora, Dawson, and Callan Clancy, and the trial of their mother, Lindsay Clancy, as it stands this week. Cora was 5, Dawson was 3, and Callan was 8 months old when they died in their Duxbury, Massachusetts home on January 24, 2023. Lindsay, a labor and delivery nurse at Massachusetts General Hospital, has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder. Her attorneys do not dispute that she killed her children. What they dispute is whether she was criminally responsible, and whether postpartum psychosis is the reason. Ally covers who this family was and the five months that came first: the postpartum collapse after Callan's birth, nine psychiatric medications from prescribers who were not sharing records, the crisis line calls that went nowhere, five days at McLean Hospital, and then January 24 minute by minute. Abby covers the charges, the trial as it stands this week, the prosecution's case against the defense's, and what postpartum psychosis actually is and isn't. We also get into the theories, controversial opinions, and misinformation circling the internet right now. Recorded Monday, August 10, 2026, with updates recorded Wednesday, August 12. The trial is ongoing. Before we get into the case, we discuss our new podcasting room, end-of-life planning in our late twenties, how uncomfortable death can be, how differently everyone grieves, and picking out the perfect outfit to be buried in. Story starts: 8:25 Resources: National Maternal Mental Health Hotline, call or text 1-833-943-5746. Postpartum Support International, 1-800-944-4773. 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline, call or text 988. Postpartum psychosis is a medical emergency. If someone you love seems off after having a baby, it is always okay to ask for help. We're so happy you're here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: @probationbehavior Join our Patreon Email: probationbehavior@gmail.com Case request form: Submit a case request Sources: Plymouth County DA: Arraignment and ChargesBoston Globe: Timeline of January 24, 2023AP: Patrick Clancy TestifiesBoston Globe: Lindsay Clancy's Journal EntriesABC News: Psychiatrist Lacked Complete Medical RecordBoston 25 News: Live Trial CoverageLA Magazine: The Malpractice LawsuitAP: What to Know About Postpartum Psychosis

  3. 30 Jul

    17 | Jerry Heimann: How Children Were Recruited to Kill Him

    In this episode, Ally covers the murder of Jerry Heimann, a retired Boeing employee who opened his home to help care for his elderly mother during the final chapter of his own life. What began as an act of trust turned into one of Washington state's most disturbing murder cases, involving a shocking plot that pulled several children into a crime that would change all of their lives forever. Before getting into the case, we recap the traumatic experience that happened just before recording when a lizard found its way into Ally's apartment, discuss the apparent diarrhea epidemic sweeping the nation, and add a few more of Ally's grandma sayings to Abby's growing list. At the end of the episode, we also talk about the infamous cases that dominated the 2000s, why the public often grouped them together, and discuss Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox—including the fact that Amanda Knox was ultimately exonerated and is innocent. Story starts: 8:05 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: ⁠@probationbehavior⁠ ⁠Join our Patreon⁠ Email: ⁠probationbehavior@gmail.com⁠ Case request form: ⁠Submit a case request⁠ Sources: ​The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): A Kinder Picture of Killing Victim Emerges​The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Witness Details Teen Plot to Kill​The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Teen Killer, 50 Years​The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Court Seals Heimann Murder Photos​The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): A 2001 Killer, Then 13, Will Be Released From Prison Early​The Daily Herald (HeraldNet): Sentenced to 50 Years in Everett Slaying, He'll Get Out After 21​Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Slain Man's Son Is First to Testify in Opel Trial​Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Teen Says Opel, Daughter Egged On Group to Kill​Seattle Post-Intelligencer: "I Thought That if Jerry Got Beat Up Bad He Deserved It"​Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Heather Opel, 14, Is Sentenced to 22 Years for Role in Murder​Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Opel Gets Life in Prison​Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Opel Sentenced to Life After Heated Confrontation​Seattle Weekly: Little Girl Lost​Burl Barer: Mom Said Kill

  4. 16 Jul

    15 | Derrick Johnson: The Voice That Wasn’t His

    In this episode, Ally covers the case of Derrick Johnson, a non-speaking man with cerebral palsy whose family believed a Rutgers professor might be helping him communicate in a new way. What began as hope that Derrick had been underestimated became a disturbing case involving facilitated communication, consent, disability, race, power, and the question of who was really speaking for Derrick. Before we get into the episode, we pose the question: if you could, would you want to hear how your boyfriend, girlfriend, or situationship talks about you when you’re not there? Of course we relate it back to Love Island because it is our current obsession. Then we discuss boy brains vs. girl brains when it comes to relationships. Story starts: 7:01 We’re so happy you’re here. Follow along, share your thoughts, send us case suggestions, or submit a case request: Instagram: ⁠@probationbehavior⁠ ⁠Join our Patreon⁠ Email: ⁠probationbehavior@gmail.com⁠ Case request form: ⁠Submit a case request⁠ If you or someone you know has experienced sexual assault, support is available through the National Sexual Assault Hotline at ⁠RAINN.org⁠ or by calling 800-656-HOPE. Sources: Netflix Tudum: Tell Them You Love MeTIME: The Chilling Story Behind the Documentary Tell Them You Love MePeople: Inside Anna Stubblefield’s Case Featured in Hit Netflix Documentary Tell Them You Love MeState v. Stubblefield: New Jersey Appellate OpinionAmerican Speech-Language-Hearing Association: Facilitated Communication Position StatementCDC: About Cerebral PalsyFacilitatedCommunication.org: Thoughts About Tell Them You Love Me, Anna Stubblefield, and FC/S2C/RPMBioethics Today: Tell Them You Love Me is Shamefully AbleistThe Guardian: Tell Them You Love Me Review

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Probation Behavior is a true crime podcast hosted by Ally and Abby, exploring cases that caused chaos and captured public attention. With empathy, curiosity, and just enough banter, we break down the story, the psychology, and the public reaction that kept people talking. At the center of every case are real people who should still be here today. We focus on who they were, who loved them, and the lives that were taken too soon. We’re always learning and welcome feedback on how to approach these stories with care and respect. ⏩https://linktr.ee/probationbehavior⏪

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