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Brilliant inventions, fresh product designs, iconic brand names and artistic creativity are not only the building blocks of successful business - they deliver a better world for us all. But these valuable forms of intellectual property must be protected in order to flourish. We are the Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys - the UK's largest intellectual property organisation. Our hosts Lee Davies and Gwilym Roberts chat with entrepreneurs, creatives, patent attorneys and the occasional judge about how patents, trade marks, designs and copyright can improve our lives and solve problems for humanity.

  1. 5 DAYS AGO

    Reviewing Patent Attorney Training

    Send us Fan Mail The rules of qualification aren’t being rewritten overnight, but the questions are getting sharper. We sit down with Debbie Slater, Chair of CIPA’s Education Committee, to unpack the IPReg Education Review and what it could mean for anyone training as a UK patent attorney or trademark attorney over the next few years. The focus is forward-looking: what skills, knowledge, and professional behaviors should someone have at the point of registration, and how do we build training and assessment that actually matches the work attorneys do.  We explore why the UK pathway can’t be separated from the European Patent Office and the EQE route, especially when so much UK practice runs through Europe. Debbie and the hosts dig into the apprenticeship model, mentoring, and why the profession often talks about “exams” when the reality looks much more like competency-based assessment. We also get practical about what proportionate quality assurance looks like for a small profession, and how costs, resources, and fairness shape access and diversity.  Then we take on the topic everyone’s wrestling with: AI in patent drafting, prosecution, and client communications. If a large language model can generate a first draft and clients can arrive with AI-assisted interpretations of prior art or office actions, what must trainees still learn the hard way? The answer keeps circling back to judgment, fundamentals, and the ability to review critically, not just produce text.  If you have views on the IPReg call for evidence, now is the time to share them. Subscribe for more conversations on intellectual property, send this to a trainee or supervisor who’s affected, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

    50 min

  2. 12 MAR

    When Innovation Meets The Courtroom, with Laura Whiting and Arty Rajendra

    Send us Fan Mail Lee and Gwilym are joined on the podcast by Laura Whiting from Freshfields and Arty Rajendra from Osborne Clarke. Ever wonder who decides the price of your medicine, the terms behind your 5G connection, or why your favorite streaming platform keeps changing codecs? We sit down with two leading IP litigators to pull back the curtain on the high-stakes world where innovation meets the courtroom—life sciences, telecoms, and the streaming wars. First, we unpack how patents power the business model in pharma. With only a tiny share of compounds making it to patients, those limited years of exclusivity fund a decade of risk and research. We explore how innovators defend that window and how generic companies plan surgical challenges to enter earlier and drive prices down. It is a constant chess match, played out across multiple countries with hundreds of millions at stake in a single market. Then we turn to standard essential patents and FRAND licensing. After Unwired Planet, the UK became a pivotal venue for setting global license terms—one decision, worldwide effect. Now the battlefield is shifting to streaming and video codecs. Where do you license—decoder or platform? How do you price a license when usage, audiences, and devices vary wildly? The valuation debate is intense, merging economics, data, and legal precedent in new ways.

    49 min

  3. 5 MAR

    A Patent Pioneer On Barriers, Breakthroughs, And The Next Wave Of AI - Virginia Driver

    Send us Fan Mail Virginia Driver recounts entering a profession that once enforced skirts and skepticism, then earning credibility across computing, telecoms, and the smartphone wars, where old devices became courtroom gold. That history matters: it shaped her insistence that AI must be auditable and accurate, not just fast. We unpack the real sweet spot for AI in patents—deep analysis across thousands of documents, transparent claim mapping, and outputs a human expert can verify. No hype, no black boxes, and a clear line from machine reasoning to attorney judgment. Enjoyed the show? Subscribe, share it with a colleague, and leave a quick review so others can find us. What part of patent work do you most want AI to transform next?

    36 min

  4. 25 FEB

    Inside The EPO’s AI Push With Angel Aledo Lopez

    Send us Fan Mail What happens when the European Patent Office’s CTO and COO says the hardest part of technology isn’t the code, it’s the culture? Lee and Gwilym sit down with Angel Aledo Lopez to unpack how AI is changing the way patents are examined, filed, and managed, and why human judgment still anchors the system.

    46 min

  5. 11 FEB

    How Innovation Moves From Elite Sport To Your Gear At Home

    Send us Fan Mail A squash ball to the ear is a painful reminder that sport isn’t just competition, it’s design, data, and decisions that protect and perform. From that opening jolt, we dive into the fast-moving world of sports technology with guests Dave Holt and Stephen Moore of Potter Clarkson, exploring how innovation is built, protected, and brought to life for pros and everyday athletes alike. By the close, we’ve mapped a practical playbook for founders, rights holders, and teams: anchor bold claims in robust testing, choose IP instruments that match your speed and moat, and let brand and product reinforce each other when the tech reaches the public. Plus, we share the sports gadgets we wish existed, from rotation trainers to memory-wipe rackets for those embarrassing whiffs.  Subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a quick review.

    46 min

  6. 29 JAN

    Inside IPReg’s Education Review And What It Means

    Send us Fan Mail What should a newly qualified patent or trademark attorney be able to do on day one, and how should we train for a world shaped by AI, shifting client needs, and the public interest? We sit down with IPREG’s education review lead, Sally Gosling, joined by Katie Flett, to unpack the biggest rethink of qualification in years. From defining core capabilities to asking who even finds their way into IP, we explore the decisions that will shape careers, employers, and the users of the IP system.

    45 min

  7. 9 JAN

    From Industry To Patent Office Director with Maja Schmitt

    Send us Fan Mail A chemist hears a patent attorney speak and sees a future. Years later, that same attorney is directing a national patent office and helping rewrite how innovation gets protected. This conversation with Maja Schmitt travels from labs and in‑house roles to China and The Hague, and lands on a bold policy move: the Netherlands is returning to examined national patents after years of registration-only grants.

    40 min

  8. 22/12/2025

    Christmas Bants, Rants, and Reflections

    Send us Fan Mail We celebrate five years of IP conversations with a festive look back at the moments that shaped the show. From lockdown origins to Earthshot wins and live sessions at INTA, we share what we learned from judges, founders, and the quirks that make IP human. • Launch during lockdown and early interviews with sole practitioners and Tim Moss - link to episode here. • Judges’ perspectives with Sir Colin Birss (link here) and Sir Robin Jacob (link here) • Seaweed innovation, Notpla’s Earthshot win (link here), and Seagrown’s journey (link here) • Trade secrets, pub recordings, and Donald O’Connell’s insights (link here) • Live podcasting at INTA from Atlanta to San Diego  • Playful bants, jargon gripes, and crafting better closing questions  • Plans for future guests, UPC debates, and interviewing AI  • Personal holiday plans and a warm seasonal sign-off Merry Christmas and amazing 2026!

    24 min
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Brilliant inventions, fresh product designs, iconic brand names and artistic creativity are not only the building blocks of successful business - they deliver a better world for us all. But these valuable forms of intellectual property must be protected in order to flourish. We are the Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys - the UK's largest intellectual property organisation. Our hosts Lee Davies and Gwilym Roberts chat with entrepreneurs, creatives, patent attorneys and the occasional judge about how patents, trade marks, designs and copyright can improve our lives and solve problems for humanity.

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  • Creator
    CIPA
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2026
  • Episodes
    182
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2026 Two IPs In A Pod
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