Out and Back

Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

  1. 12 hr ago

    #53 - Jess McClain Is Thinking Bigger: Boston, World Champs & NYC

    Jess McClain is back on Out & Back, and a lot has changed since her first visit. After finishing as the top American and setting the American course record at the Boston Marathon, Jess says the conversation has shifted. Being the top American is still meaningful, but now she wants to see herself as a factor internationally and start thinking about podiums. Jess joins Jacob and Rory from Flagstaff as she prepares to represent Team USA at the World Half Marathon Championships in Copenhagen before turning her attention to the New York City Marathon. They talk about her close second-place finish at Falmouth, how her mindset around marathon training has changed, the gear-shifting workouts that used to intimidate her, and why she actually turned around for a bottle during Boston.They also get into clean sport and drug testing, balancing professional running with a life and career outside of the sport, and Jess's new role as a small part owner of The Marathon Project. Plus, Jess shares what she wants out of Copenhagen, including why an American record isn't out of the question, even if racing the people around her comes first. Support our Sponsors: Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠  Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠ AquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off. Merch Store: ⁠https://outandback.shop/⁠ Coaching: ⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠ ⁠Rory’s Coaching Website⁠ ⁠Join our newsletter⁠ ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠SandyBoy Productions⁠

  2. 30 Aug

    #52 - Mailbag Episode: Yomif's World Record, World Ultimate Wild Cards, and Listener Q&A

    Episode 52 kicks off with the announcement of the Out and Back live show at Chicago Marathon weekend, Saturday noon at Fleet Feet Chicago, 100-125 tickets at $15 a pop with a swag bag worth way more than that. Then it's current events: Seb Coe gives Jakob and Kerr wild cards for the World Ultimate Championships so we get the matchup everyone wants, Ethan Strand wins a Diamond League in his first race since Jonah Koech's doping ban was announced, Parker Wolf and Graham Blanks run down Cameron Myers at Zurich, and Yomif Kejelcha runs 56:51 in Buenos Aires for a world record that has some people asking questions about the splits. They also get into the unusual nitrous drink, Sawe scratching from Berlin, and Valencia potentially becoming the fall race of the year. Then it's the mailbag: mistakes athletes make that are easily fixed, training in hot climates, top three exercises for durability, hills, double threshold, why they don't do it twice a week, and where the marathon and half marathon records land by 2030. Support our Sponsors: Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠  Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠ AquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off. Merch Store: ⁠https://outandback.shop/⁠ Coaching: ⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠ ⁠Rory’s Coaching Website⁠ ⁠Join our newsletter⁠ ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠ ⁠SandyBoy Productions

  3. 23 Aug

    #51 - Between Reps: NYC Fields, Edmonton Half, European Champs, Race Schedule Updates

    Jacob is in Kelowna visiting John Gay, and Rory is back in Flagstaff holding it down after defending his Canadian Half Marathon championship in Edmonton, on a course that turned out to be too long. They break down the race, Rory's Tour de France style breakaway attack at 8K and the backwards finish line crossing. Then it's on to European Championships: Jakob's return after ten months away, Almgren lapping the field in the 10K and then announcing a surprise marathon debut at New York City, and Femke Bol continuing her 800 meter experiment with another PR. The crew runs a snake draft of the New York City pro marathon fields, Rory announces his Brussels hour run was canceled, Jacob confirms he's out of Chicago and headed to Valencia and CIM instead, and they close out with the Jonah Koech doping suspension: a US 1500 champion caught by the biological passport, quietly banned for a year before anyone said anything publicly. Support our Sponsors: Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem  Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK AquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off. Merch Store: https://outandback.shop/ Coaching: Jacob’s Coaching Website Rory’s Coaching Website Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ SandyBoy Productions

  4. 16 Aug

    #50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions

    Episode 50 means it's time for another call-in show. Six guests phone in with hot takes, hypotheticals, and questions Jacob and Rory answer completely on the fly. No prep, no notes, just riffing. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

    #50: The Call-In Show: Hot Takes, Marathon Relay Drafts, and Desert Island Training Questions

  5. 9 Aug

    #49 Truett Hanes on Chasing the OTQ and Going All In on a Goal That Scares You

    ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Truett Hanes is in Flagstaff for a three-week training camp, halfway through it when this was recorded, and it's the most structured he's ever approached running. You probably know him from the pull-up world record, the blue jean marathons, or the Leadville 100 buckle, but now he's locked in on one thing: the Olympic Trials qualifier. Rory coaches him through Let's Tango, and this conversation covers how someone who bulldozed their way to a 2:29 on pure willpower had to completely rethink their approach, what the training has looked like in Flagstaff, and why the jump from 2:30 to OTQ is a different animal than anything he's done before. They also get into the haters, his dad's 11-minute marathon PR at 58, what it actually means to call your shot publicly, and some genuinely good advice on storytelling and content for anyone trying to build an audience around a big goal. Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Aqua Omega: a high dose, concentrated omega-3 from sustainably sourced anchovies, third-party tested, no fish burps, and for every bottle sold they remove one pound of plastic from the ocean. Use code OUTNBACK for 20% off at myAquaOmega.com/outandback Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK Merch Store: https://outandback.shop/ Coaching: Jacob’s Coaching Website Rory’s Coaching Website Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram ⁠SandyBoy Productions ⁠⁠⁠

  6. 30 Jul

    #48 Vincent Ciattei on Winning the US 5000m Title, Training as a Miler at Altitude, and the Dark Sky Squad

    ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Vincent Ciattei comes straight off USA Track and Field Championships in New York where he finished second in the 1500 by five hundredths of a second, sent a message to his college group chat saying he was winning the 5K the next day, and then did exactly that. First Dark Sky teammate on the pod, and one of the more interesting training conversations the show has had. Vincent is a 3:48 miler running 90-mile weeks at 7,000 feet, doing double threshold, hill circuits at Marshall Lake, and long tempos down in Camp Verde, and this year it all clicked. They get into what a training cycle actually looks like for a mid-distance guy, how he thinks about threshold intensity control, why the 5K is becoming a legitimate weapon for elite milers, what Dark Sky's massive training group brings out in each other, and the broader conversation around why the best Americans keep skipping USAs in off years and what could be done about it. Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

  7. 26 Jul

    #47 Between Reps: Josh Kerr's Record, USAs, and Training Updates

    MERCH: https://outandback.shop/ Jacob and Rory are back in Flagstaff after weeks on the road, and Jacob gives an update on his Achilles: no pain in four weeks, mileage climbing back up, and marathon training officially back on. They dig into the Chicago Marathon field announcement, with Sharon Lokedi as the headline story and a stacked American men's field chasing fast times. Then Josh Kerr's mile world record takes over, from the race itself to whether he could go after the 1500m record next, and why USA Outdoor Championships keep losing their biggest names to Europe. They close out with listener questions on training locations, gear from their college days, favorite non-major marathons, and what kids at running camp do better than grown adults. https://www.thomsontraining.run/ https://www.letstango.run/ Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK

  8. 19 Jul

    #46 Madey Dickson on Running 2:28 at Boston, Working Full Time as a Nurse, and Chasing Big Goals at Berlin

    Madey Dickson is a full-time ICU and ER nurse who runs 100 miles a week, smashed the OTQ by nine minutes at Boston, and won Puma's Project Three, all while working 12-hour shifts. Rory coaches her and they were teammates at BYU, where she was a middle distance runner who stumbled into the marathon almost by accident. They talk training around a nurse's schedule, self belief, the Berlin build, and what the 2028 Olympic Trials could look like for her. Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. ⁠⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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  • Creator
    Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    53
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
  • Show Website
    Out and Back

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