BigDeal

Codie Sanchez

You can change your life and make a dent on the world. This podcast uncovers the unfiltered lessons from the smartest minds straight to you, in conversations so honest you feel guilty listening in. We believe the current way of thinking is not working. The average person has become unhappy, unhealthy and financially struggling. You are not that person. This podcast will kick you in the shin with truth and tactics they should have taught us but gatekept. Hosted by Codie Sanchez, entrepreneur, investor and reformed journalist. You are a BigDeal to us.

  1. 23 HR AGO

    How to Get Rich (Without Getting Lucky) | Eric Jorgenson on Naval Ravikant

    (Note: we had a technical issue that affected the first 12 minutes of Eric’s camera feed, so you’ll see a bit more wide cam than usual in the beginning. Our apologies!) Why is it that people with half your talent and twice your luck seem to be winning all the time? Because they understand leverage. And you're still trading hours for dollars. Eric Jorgenson spent a decade studying Naval Ravikant, one of the most influential entrepreneurs and thinkers in Silicon Valley, and distilled his wisdom into his classic book “The Almanack of Naval Ravikant”. In this episode, we break down the exact frameworks Naval used to build wealth, happiness, and freedom without getting crushed by the game everyone else is playing. In this episode, you'll learn: Why leverage is the only game that matters now and how code, media, and capital separate the rich from everyone else "Productize yourself” — the two word formula that unlocks specific knowledge and makes competition irrelevant Why hard work is overrated and judgment is the real multiplier that creates 100X outcomes The four types of luck, from blind to built, and how to engineer serendipity into your destiny Why rising above status is the ultimate form of freedom If this conversation about leverage and ownership resonates with you, come to Mainstreet Millionaire Live, where we’re breaking down how to source, negotiate, finance, and buy a business. If you’re ready to own your upside, grab your tickets here: http://info.contrarianthinking.co/msmlbig-deal ___________ [FLIGHTCAST_CHAPTERS] ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1hr 5min
  2. The 7 Money Rules From the Richest Man Who Ever Lived

    21 APR

    The 7 Money Rules From the Richest Man Who Ever Lived

    What if the richest man who ever lived wasn't a tech genius, a Wall Street titan, or a Silicon Valley disruptor? What if he was a 16 year old bookkeeper who studied invoices like scripture and built a $400 billion fortune by doing the opposite of what everyone else thought was smart? John D. Rockefeller became the wealthiest human being in history not by chasing oil wells, but by controlling the choke points everyone else ignored. He bought boring businesses, borrowed aggressively, moved before windows closed, and built a system so efficient that breaking it apart only made him richer. His playbook wasn't luck. It was discipline, leverage, and ruthless clarity about where real money gets made. In this episode, you'll learn: How Rockefeller became the greatest borrower of his generation and why hesitation is its own kind of risk The transportation edge nobody saw that gave him a 10 cent per barrel advantage and $50,000 a year in extra profit The Cleveland Massacre and how he bought 23 companies in 28 days using transparency and data instead of aggression Why discipline was his real competitive advantage and how his chaotic childhood shaped every habit he built Why the next generation of billionaires will be built in boring industries that nobody thinks are glamorous Have you thought about buying a business for years? Main Street Millionaire Live gives you the playbook, mindset, and momentum to finally become an owner. Your real enemy is "someday." Kill it this year → https://contrarianthinking.biz/MSML26_BDYT ___________ (00:00:00) Introduction: The Cleveland Massacre (00:02:06) The Bookkeeper: Do the Plumbing (00:04:02) The Greatest Borrower: Opportunity Has a Clock (00:06:18) The Edge Nobody Saw: Control the Choke Point (00:10:06) The Cleveland Massacre: Negotiate with Numbers, Not Opinions (00:12:48) The Monopoly and the Mask: Control What You Can Control (00:15:13) The Reinvention: Build Freedom, Not Just a Business (00:17:43) The Real Playbook: Build the Machine That Buys Companies (00:19:07) Closing: The Framework for Buying Boring Businesses ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    21 min
  3. Most Followed Neuroscientist: The Effects of AI on Your Brain

    6 APR

    Most Followed Neuroscientist: The Effects of AI on Your Brain

    What if the way you think is costing you everything? Your brain filters 11 million bits of information per second, but only 50 make it through to your conscious awareness. That tiny keyhole shapes your entire reality. And in the age of AI, if you don't learn to control it, someone else will. Emily McDonald (@emonthebrain) is one of the most followed neuroscientists in the world. She has a PhD in neuroscience, studies how the brain constructs reality, and teaches people how to rewire their brains to win. In this episode, she breaks down the science of how your brain filters opportunity, why discipline makes you more attractive, and why AI is quietly destroying your ability to think critically. You'll learn: Why your brain constructs your entire experience of reality and how to reprogram it Why complaining literally shrinks your prefrontal cortex and what to do instead Why discipline is nervous system regulation and makes you biologically more attractive The reticular activating system and how to prime your brain to filter for what you want Why work life balance is a scam and obsession is actually required for success How AI is cooking your brain by training dependence instead of intelligence If you've ever felt stuck, distracted, or like success is just out of reach, this episode will show you exactly why. Your brain is either reinforcing your current reality or creating a new one. There's no in between. ___________ (00:00:00) Introduction (00:00:26) Your Brain Constructs Your Reality: The Kitten Study (00:00:54) AI Is Cooking Your Brain: The Hidden Cognitive Cost (00:01:11) Discipline Makes You Attractive: The Science Behind Self-Control (00:02:56) Brain Wave Synchronization: Why You Feel Other People's Energy (00:06:04) Curate Your Reality: The People and Content You Consume (00:08:21) Complaining Rewires Your Brain for Negativity (00:16:32) The Self-Talk Superpower: Performance Enhancement Through Words (00:37:00) The Body Image Brain Hack: Why You'll Never Love Your Body Until You Love Your Body (00:44:54) Be Obsessed or Be Average: Why Extreme Wins (00:33:50) The Reticular Activating System: Programming Your Brain to See Opportunity (00:26:59) Color Doesn't Exist: Reality Is a Construct (01:00:56) Talking to Yourself Is a Superpower: Why AI Is Making You Dumber (01:07:49) Content Creation Without Psychological Tricks: The Energy-First Approach ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1hr 15min
  4. Be ARTICULATE and Speak SMARTLY: Communicate Like A Pro

    31 MAR

    Be ARTICULATE and Speak SMARTLY: Communicate Like A Pro

    What do you say when your mind goes blank in a high stakes moment? Why do some people choke under pressure, while others sound sharp instantly? How do you organize your thoughts fast enough to respond with clarity and confidence? This episode answers all of that, and gets into so much more, including: Why your brain flips into survival mode and how to stay in control when it does How to use simple frameworks like PACE to respond clearly without rambling What actually makes someone sound confident on the spot and why pausing beats filler words every time How to structure your answers so you sound sharp, not scattered How to build a mental library of stories, frameworks, and opinions so you’re never caught off guard If you’ve ever thought of the perfect response 40 minutes too late, this is the fix. Structure creates speed. And once you have it, you stop freezing and start owning the room. Start your newsletter today with beehiiv! Head to https://beehiiv.link/ihss0e and use CODIE30 to get 30% off your first 3 months. ___________ (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:13) Why Your Brain Betrays You: The Science of Freezing Under Pressure (00:03:53) The Warren Buffett Framework: How Mental Models Replace Fear (00:05:41) Fast Thinking Is a Myth: The PACE Method Explained (00:09:08) Build Your Mental Assets: The Lattice Work Technique (00:13:40) The Power of the Pause: Why Silence Signals Confidence (00:14:59) Kill the Ramble: The Three Point Rule and Constraints (00:15:41) The Jeff Bezos Brief: Control the Frame Without Speaking (00:18:49) Real-Time Thinking Hacks: Five Tactical Techniques (00:22:57) Train Like a Pro: Compression Drills and Your Story Bank ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    27 min
  5. 26 MAR

    You Need To Be Bored. Here's Why. | Dr. Arthur Brooks

    You did everything right. The degree, the job, the money. So why does it still feel empty? Dr. Arthur Brooks is a Harvard professor, bestselling author, and the happiness scientist billionaires call when their success stops working. In this episode, he breaks down the science of why high achievers feel trapped in a simulation of love, progress, and purpose — while feeling nothing real. You'll learn: - Why boredom is critical for meaning, and why eliminating it makes life emptier - The 3 meaning questions AI can never answer for you - Why resisting pain creates more suffering than the pain itself - Why algorithms have hijacked your brain, and how to take it back - The difference between resume virtues and eulogy virtues — and why most people optimize for the wrong one - 6 rebellious ways to break out of the simulation for good If you have everything but feel nothing, this episode will show you exactly why — and how to fix it. Watch if you're a high achiever, entrepreneur, or anyone who's ever wondered why success feels hollow. Turn your audience into an owned asset. Start your newsletter for free. Visit https://beehiiv.link/l2it20 and use CODIE30 to get 30% off your first 3 months. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:12) The Matrix You're Living In: Why Your Brain Has Been Captured (00:01:52) The Depression Epidemic: What Happens When You Never Find Meaning (00:03:44) Left Brain vs Right Brain: Where Meaning Actually Lives (00:05:44) The Three Unanswerable Questions That Unlock Your Life's Meaning (00:07:30) From Uncertainty to Adventure: The Risk Framework High Performers Need (00:12:12) The Death Meditation: How Facing Failure Sets You Free (00:16:39) Why Americans Meditate Wrong: The Dalai Lama's Critique (00:22:07) The Biggest Lie: Suffering Is Bad (00:28:23) Marriage as Startup: Deep Friendship and the Two Keys to the Divine (00:33:37) Where to Find Love: The Dating Strategy Nobody Talks About (00:36:39) The Doom Loop: How You've Been Productized and Monetized (00:47:04) The Boredom Paradox: Why Your Grandpa Was Happier Than You (00:54:14) Resume Virtues vs Eulogy Virtues: The Ultimate vs Intermediate Goals (01:01:37) Who This Book Is For: You Have Everything and Feel Nothing MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1hr 5min
  6. Why Nobody Listens To You (And How to Fix It)

    23 MAR

    Why Nobody Listens To You (And How to Fix It)

    You're mid-sentence and you watch it happen in real time. The other person's eyes go soft. They nod, but it's the nod of someone who stopped hearing you sentences ago. What happened? You weren't boring, or wrong… you just lost their attention. It happens to smart people constantly. People who genuinely have something worth saying. And the reason isn't intelligence or charisma or confidence. It's the structure and psychology of the way you speak. It's learnable. But most people never study it because we weren't taught how to have conversations this way. In this episode, you'll learn: Why your brain processes language at 400 words per minute but you only speak 125 The information gap theory and how to engineer curiosity before you explain anything The four forgetability traps that make people stop paying attention to you Why pauses hit with 40% more impact than constant talking How emotional encoding flags information as important to the brain The peak-end effect and why people only remember two moments from any conversation Why the best conversationalists talk less and listen more Attention is biological. The brain is constantly processing information in the background. If you don't give it something to hold onto, a gap to close, a stake to care about, a concrete image to store, it will go somewhere else. This episode will permanently change how you show up in every conversation, meeting, pitch, and dinner table for the rest of your life. Start your newsletter today — it’s free to launch and built to monetize. Go to https://beehiiv.link/oq97gm and use code CODIE30 for 30% off your first 3 months. ___________ (00:00:00) Introduction (00:00:59) The Attention Problem Is Physiological (00:07:08) Driver 1: The Context Dump (00:08:20) Driver 2: Symmetric Energy (00:10:26) Driver 3: The Abstraction Ladder (00:13:34) Driver 4: The False Finish (00:14:48) The Mechanics of Memorability (00:15:53) Mechanism 1: Emotional Encoding (00:19:28) Mechanism 2: The Peak-End Effect (00:21:31) Mechanism 3: The Self-Reference Effect (00:24:42) The Listener's Trap (00:27:15) Your Attention Toolkit Recap ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    29 min
  7. How To Stay Focused, Beat Distraction, and Get Things Done | Nir Eyal

    19 MAR

    How To Stay Focused, Beat Distraction, and Get Things Done | Nir Eyal

    What if the things holding you back aren’t real? Your brain processes 11 million bits of information per second, but you only consciously attend to 50. That tiny keyhole of attention shapes your entire reality — and most people never realize they're looking through the wrong lens. Nir Eyal has spent years researching how beliefs shape behavior, attention, and outcomes. He's the bestselling author of Hooked, Indistractable, and now Beyond Belief. In this conversation, he breaks down the neuroscience of perception, why your limiting beliefs are quietly destroying your potential, and how to rewire your brain to see opportunities others miss. You'll learn: How a man had surgery with zero anesthesia using only his mind Why pain and suffering are separate — and how to disconnect them The 10-minute rule that makes distraction powerless Why willpower only depletes if you believe it does How beliefs about aging at 30 predict whether you live 7.5 years longer The turnaround technique that stops limiting beliefs cold If you've ever felt stuck or convinced something won't work — this episode will change how you see yourself. Because the only thing standing between you and what you want is a belief you haven't questioned yet. Check out Nir Eyal's new book "Beyond Belief" here: https://www.nirandfar.com/beyond-belief/ Build your newsletter, grow your audience, and start monetizing — all in one place. Head https://beehiiv.link/06f6y3 and use CODIE30 for 30% off your first 3 months ___________ 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:07 You Don't See Reality: The Optical Illusion That Proves It 00:03:40 The Rat Study: How Beliefs Unlock 240X More Persistence 00:05:40 Attention, Anticipation, and Agency: The Three Powers of Belief 00:07:11 Hypnosedation: Surgery Without Anesthesia Through Mind Power 00:09:04 The Carrot Is the Stick: Why All Motivation Is Pain Management 00:10:20 Relationship Perception Problems: The Turnaround Technique 00:15:37 Lucky People See More: Training Your Brain for Entrepreneurial Alertness 00:24:34 The 10 Minute Rule: Your Weapon Against Distraction 00:27:31 Internal Triggers: The Real Cause of 90% of Distractions 00:29:00 Gratitude, Failure, and Luck Surface Area: Daily Habits That Change Reality 00:19:59 Prayer Without Faith: The Science of Secular Mantras 00:42:36 Your Labels Become Your Limits: Why Identity Is Dangerous 00:43:09 Beliefs Become Biology: The 7.5 Year Longevity Advantage 00:49:47 The Placebo Suicide: Mr. A's Story and the Mind-Body Connection 00:57:08 Willpower Is Not a Depleting Resource: The Ego Depletion Myth 00:59:56 Hedonic Adaptation and the Gratitude Antidote 01:03:30 The Ulysses Pact: Pre-Commitment Devices for Intimacy and Focus 01:07:39 The Surgeon Riddle: How Priors Blind You to Possibilities 00:56:23 This Is What It Feels Like to Get Better: Your New Mantra ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1hr 13min
  8. If AI Takes Our Jobs… What’s Left for Humanity?

    18 MAR

    If AI Takes Our Jobs… What’s Left for Humanity?

    If AI can write, code, and think cheaper than you — what's left? Your edge isn't intelligence anymore. It's taste, focus, and emotional depth. You'll learn: Why taste is your only moat in a world of infinite AI output How emotion and vulnerability are what machines can't replicate Why the 80/20 rule is now 99/1 — and where to focus Why imperfection is the new differentiator How the best founders used judgment, not effort, to win The winners won't be the hardest workers. They'll be the ones who protect their attention and refuse to let a machine do their thinking. Head to https://beehiiv.link/gukwct to start your newsletter today! Use CODIE30 for 30% off your first 3 months. ___________ 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:40 The AI Takeover: Who Gets Replaced First 00:03:15 Humans Are Meaning-Making Machines: Your Real Competitive Advantage 00:05:26 Emotion Is Our Moat: What AI Cannot Take From Us 00:07:34 Taste Over Execution: The New Differentiator 00:08:54 Focus and Courage: The Psychological Bottleneck 00:10:00 The Ghost Writer Problem: Don't Outsource Your Brain 00:10:33 Authenticity in a Synthetic World: Why Imperfection Wins 00:14:58 The 99-1 Rule: Hard Work Is No Longer Enough 00:17:00 Build AI-First or Get Eaten: Your Action Plan 00:19:32 Keep Your Humanity: The Creative Advantage ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    22 min

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You can change your life and make a dent on the world. This podcast uncovers the unfiltered lessons from the smartest minds straight to you, in conversations so honest you feel guilty listening in. We believe the current way of thinking is not working. The average person has become unhappy, unhealthy and financially struggling. You are not that person. This podcast will kick you in the shin with truth and tactics they should have taught us but gatekept. Hosted by Codie Sanchez, entrepreneur, investor and reformed journalist. You are a BigDeal to us.

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