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Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

  1. 14 hr ago

    #44 NAZ Elite Coach Jack Mullaney on Building Team Culture, Alex Masai's Breakout, and Marathon Training Philosophy

    Jack Mullaney, head coach of NAZ Elite, joins Jacob and Rory at the Run Flagstaff studio for episode 44. Jack walked into one of the most storied professional running programs in the country two and a half years ago as a first-time head coach, inheriting a team mid-transition and figuring out how to build something that felt like his own. He talks about how he navigated that, what his five C's of coaching actually look like in practice, and why connection is the foundation he keeps coming back to. The conversation gets into the weeds on training philosophy: his three non-negotiables, why he's skeptical of silver bullet trends, and how he thinks about keeping all paces present year-round. They also deep dive into specifics of some of Jack's athletes' training and performances. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠⁠ Goodr: Upgrade your eyewear by heading to goodr.com/OUTANDBACK to claim $10 off your first order. ⁠Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

    1hr 14min

  2. 28 Jun

    #43 Steph Bruce on 20 Years as a Pro, Founding Picky Bars, the Stamata Project, and What Comes Next

    Steph Bruce joins Jacob and Rory at the new Run Flagstaff studio for episode 43 -- recorded six days after she and Rory both ran the Broken Arrow Sky Race Ascent. They start there, comparing notes on what is genuinely the hardest race either of them has ever done, and why neither of them were as prepared as they thought. From there the conversation opens up into Steph's full arc: the origin of Picky Bars, built out of a Eugene apartment with Lauren Fleshman and Jesse Thomas and eventually sold to Laird Hamilton's company; the NAZ Elite years and what that team did to change how professional running groups operate; her current role leading the Tracksmith Stamata project, which supports women chasing the Olympic Trials qualifier; and where she sees herself going now that trail and uphill racing have entered the picture. Nine Olympic Trials, a 15:17 5K, a 2:27 marathon, and she's still figuring out what's next. Honest, funny, and worth the full listen. Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at ⁠⁠⁠https://www.meteopace.com/redeem⁠⁠⁠ Code: OUTANDBACK ⁠⁠⁠https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACK⁠⁠ This episode is brought to you in part by Amazfit. Rory wore the Amazfit T-Rex 3 at Broken Arrow, where pace data goes out the window and elevation, distance, and heart rate are all that matter. Check out his full Broken Arrow race video on his personal YouTube channel here -- one of the best produced videos he's put out yet. Join our Strava group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Buy merch: https://outandback.shop/⁠ Follow us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Out And Back YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob’s Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Rory's Coaching Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SandyBoy Productions

    59 min

  3. 10 May

    #36 - How to taper for a Marathon and How to Recover After | Shakeout Podcast with John Gay

    How to taper for a marathon, How to recover after a marathon & much more, on The Shakeout Podcast with John Gay ahead of his marathon debut. Kava Haven: All the Buzz, None of the Booze — get 15% off your first order at http://kavahaven.com/outandback Code: OUTANDBACK15 Check out the Meteo Pace App to be prepared for your next race Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

    48 min

  4. 3 May

    #35 Between Reps - London Marathon, 2:05 in Ohio, Has the marathon changed forever? Listener Questions!

    We try to make sense of the London Marathon, compare it to the Boston Marathon, Talk about the crazy 2:05 in Toledo Ohio and then follow up with some listener questions. Enjoy! Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Meteo Pace App Cure Hydration

    1hr 11min

  5. 23 Apr

    #34 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Reflection after running 2:06 and 2:09, What a weekend!

    Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Meteo Pace App

    55 min

  6. 19 Apr

    #33 Ben Rosario - Running Industry Insider, Professional Coach and Founder of NAZ Elite, Race Director, Running Store Owner

    We sat down with Ben Rosario to chat about his life in the running world. From owning running stores, founding a professional running team NAZ elite, driving sponsorship into the team with Hoka, owning and running The Marathon Project, his best coaching memories and more. Ben shares his thoughts and opinions on how to make the sport continue to grow and tells us what his blowing his mind about the current current boom. ⁠Meteo Pace App⁠ ⁠Cure Hydration⁠ ⁠ZBiotics⁠ Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Check out our former sponor ⁠The Marathon Project⁠ if you want to run fast in December of 2026. Use Code "outandback" for an additional $25 off your registration. Prices go up on May 1st! Chapters 00:00 The Evolution of Running 14:13 The Marathon Project 25:56 Career Paths in Running 34:24 The Evolution of Running Booms

    1hr 3min

  7. 12 Apr

    #32 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Edition, Deep Dive into our Boston Builds, Will the World Champs Marathon be Successful? How Hard is it to Make Multiple US Olympic Marathon Teams?

    See you all at our Boston Shakeout Run! Saturday April 18th 12:30 PM @ Hatch Memorial Shell Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: Jacob’s YouTube ⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠  Out And Back YouTube ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions

    57 min

  8. 5 Apr

    #31 - Listener Call In Show, We answer your marathon questions and discuss all the hot takes.

    This week we have a Listener Call In Show, which is a new take on our mailbag episodes. 6 guest appear to throw us their questions and takes for discussion. Please join our newsletter and check out our YouTube Channels as well. The podcast will also be on YouTube as well as our normal podcast services going forward! Let us know what you think in the comments. Join our newsletter ⁠Join our Strava group⁠ Follow us: ⁠Jacob’s YouTube⁠ ⁠⁠Rory’s YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠ ⁠Rory’s Strava⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Strava⁠ ⁠Rory’s Instagram⁠ ⁠Jacob’s Instagram⁠ Jacob’s Coaching Website SandyBoy Productions Thanks to for sponsoring todays show - check out our link for 20% off your order.

    1hr 25min
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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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  • Creator
    Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    44
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
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    Out and Back

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