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Justin Jackson, Brian Casel, Jordan Gal
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When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.

  1. A rainbow of internet fantasies

    6 MAR

    A rainbow of internet fantasies

    What happened to you in Mexico? Justin is back from his co-founder retreat with Jon on Holbox Island. He gets vulnerable about the drift that naturally happens in a remote co-founder relationship, the big conversations they'd been avoiding, and the realization that alignment isn't a one-time thing (it requires constant investment!). Jordan and Brian weigh in on co-founder dynamics, decision-making in a 50/50 partnership, and why strategy has to belong to a key decision maker.  The conversation then spills into the "Mexican standoff" happening on teams as AI reshapes who does what and whether that's something to fear (or lean into). Timestamps: (00:06) - Introduction (01:47) - Justin and Jon's founder retreat (06:44) - Using video as an example of how to communicate with cofounders (09:45) - It's not a marriage, it's a dictatorship (12:12) - What do goals look like for a company? (20:48) - Video is hard and heavy... should we do it? (24:22) - What Jordan's done to help alignment on his team (29:46) - What about Jon's side of the conversation? (39:46) - Navigating new work dynamics with the speed of AI (46:56) - There are smart developers resisting AI - why? (54:24) - A Mexican standoff on teams (01:06:47) - Company design and system design YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Holbox IslandPhotos from co-founder retreatArticle: The five stages of losing our craftArticle: Will Claude Code ruin our team?Jack Dorsey lays off 931 workersPolsia - this weird AI driven SaaS making $2m! (You give it an idea, provide a budget/credit card, and it autonomously launches the business) More on Ben Cera, founder of PolsiaThe Amazing Money Machine book cover

    1h 27m
  2. Embracing our AI business owning bots

    27 FEB

    Embracing our AI business owning bots

    Brian and Jordan talk about the need for developers to adapt to survive, Brian debates how much of a content creator he is vs product seller, Jordan relates his experience talking with investors, and the rise of zero human companies ZHC. Timestamps: (00:18) - Welcoming Justin er Jordan back to the show (02:48) - Companies that we're surprised aren't adopting AI tools (11:49) - Roles are blending together (20:18) - Is Brian a product person or creator? (33:36) - Or should he be doing consulting? (37:27) - Debating taking funding for Saas (48:10) - Zero Human Companies YOU ARE THE PANEL – send us your thoughts 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: panelpodcastshow@gmail.com📺 Leave a comment on YouTube 🦋 Reply on Bluesky Links mentioned in this episode: Matt Pocock on X: "Something that I think goes under-emphasized is how much AI coding demands a 'lead dev' mentality. If you spent your pre-AI career trying to level up your teammates (through API design, feedback loops, architecture) Then working with AI will feel natural. If you only focused"Extend Claude with skills - Claude Code DocsAbout - Gauntlet AIAusten Allred on X: "Kelly (my AI bot) used 5 subagents to one-shot this app end to end. Zero human involvement. Insane. She’s building App Store worthy apps entirely by herself on the daily now."Tom Osman 🐦‍⬛ on X: "I work on the assumption that the most powerful AI models are far more intelligent than me. My job is just to assist when needed. This morning I gave @JunoAgent a Deep Research model to explore different token design routes based on what we're working on. This came out 👇🏻"

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When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson, Brian Casel and Jordan Gal tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.

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  • Creator
    Justin Jackson, Brian Casel, Jordan Gal
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    38
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2026 The Panel Podcast
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