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Hey, I’m Brennan Pothetes. I’ve raised millions, burned out hard, and learned that most startup advice is toxic BS. Hustle culture isn’t a superpower. It’s a fast track to burnout. So I’m starting Not Another Podcast. Each episode, I’m doing something fun, like building Legos or cooking spaghetti, while having raw, honest convos with founders. It’s part therapy, part teardown. All real talk. If you’re done with the hype and want sustainable success, this is for you.

  1. 3 DAYS AGO

    The Operating System for Water: Building Where Silicon Valley Won't Go with Ravi Kurani

    Ravi Kurani has two exits to his name, and he used both of them as a running start toward harder problems. As the founder of Sutro, a smart pool chemistry device that he sold to Sani Marc in an acquisition that happened before the product was fully built. And before that, he founded ImpactSpace: the "CrunchBase for impact investing," acquired by ImpactAlpha in 2015. Ravi has lived through the full founder arc twice over. The technical builds, the manufacturing chaos, the emotional weight of handing something you created to someone else, and the strange clarity that comes after. Now he's doing it again, at a scale that most founders wouldn't attempt: rolling up blue-collar pool service routes through acquisitions as COO of Poolify, while simultaneously building Standard Water Corp as what he calls "the operating system for the water industry." His thesis, which he's been developing for over a decade, is something he calls the Blue-Collar Billion: the idea that the next massive economic opportunity isn't in another SaaS product or AI wrapper. It's in the physical infrastructure civilization runs on (water systems, service routes, industrial hardware) that Silicon Valley has avoided because the timelines are long, the margins are complicated, and you can't fake progress when the pipes either hold water or they don't. In this episode, Brennan and Ravi go deep on: → The emotional reality of selling a company you built→ The Superhuman PMF methodology→ The first-gen hardware trap→ What Ravi saw in China that convinced him the US is decades behind on physical and digital infrastructure→ Why water is the most underpriced resource on earth→ Selling a startup pre-prototype This is one for the founders who are tired of the digital hype and ready to think about building something real.

    50 min

  2. 3 MAR

    Treat Your Product Like a VC Portfolio: Marty Ringlein's Framework for Building in the AI Era

    Most e-signature companies charge you to sign a contract. Marty Ringlein is giving it away for free. Marty is the CEO and co-founder of Agree.com, a fintech-forward agreement platform that collapses the signing → invoicing → payment chain into a single motion and monetizes on the money movement, not the signature. Think Stripe, but the on-ramp is a contract. This is his fourth company. He's already sold three. In 2012, he sold nclud's IP to Twitter. In 2017, nvite was acquired by Eventbrite. In 2020, Gather was acquired by Brex. Along the way, he served as a Presidential Innovation Fellow in the Obama White House and started co-teaching product development at Northwestern University, where his core thesis is that product teams should run their roadmaps like venture portfolios: 12 bets, 11 expected failures, and one that changes everything. He calls it power law thinking applied to product. And it also happens to be exactly how he's building Agree. In this episode, Brennan and Marty go deep on: → Why e-signature should be free forever and how Agree monetizes downstream on payment processing instead of the signature itself → The contract-to-cash problem → The power law product framework → The Eventbrite lesson → Why a 7-to-70-person engineering team now does what 7,000 engineers used to do → Revenue per employee as the new North Star metric → The biggest founder bottleneck → The Q4 fundraising strategy → Three acquisitions and what repeated "exit + rebuild" does to a founder's psychology We also play Jenga. And Marty's take on Jenga might be the most accurate description of startup life you'll ever hear. If you're a founder, builder, operator, or anyone thinking about the future of work in the AI era: this one is for you.

    1h 1m

  3. 24 FEB

    Building in the Unsexy: How Bo Jiang Turned Payment Plumbing Into an $800M Business

    Most startup founders don't make it past year three. Bo Jiang is entering year twelve. As the CEO and co-founder of Lithic, Bo has lived what feels like two completely different startup journeys in one company. He launched Privacy.com in 2014 as a consumer app helping people create virtual credit cards for safer online shopping. After issuing over 10 million cards, he hit a wall… legacy payment infrastructure couldn't keep up. So Bo did something radical: he built his own modern card processor from scratch. Then he opened it up to other companies. That pivot transformed Lithic into an $800M developer platform powering card programs for Mercury, Novo, Parker, and dozens of other next-generation fintechs. Today, Lithic processes over $1 billion in annual transactions and has raised $110M+ from top investors like Bessemer, Index, and Tusk Ventures. But this conversation isn't about the hockey stick growth or the impressive valuation. It's about what it actually takes to survive and evolve as a founder over more than a decade. In this episode, Brennan and Bo go deep on: → The real story behind Lithic's pivot from B2C to B2B infrastructure (and how other startups literally reverse-engineered their API before they officially launched it) → Why Bo believes burnout doesn't come from working hard… it comes from the "messy middle" of trying to control things you can't control → How your role as a founder completely transforms as you scale from 3 people to 130+ (and the inflection point where your individual output stops mattering) → The mental game of fundraising: why most rejections have nothing to do with you, and how stress literally shows up in your investor Zoom calls → Building high-trust, high-context culture while scaling beyond the small team magic of the early days → Competing against billion-dollar giants like Marqeta, Stripe, and legacy processors when you're the smaller player → Why Bo stayed private and played the long game while everyone else was chasing quick exits during the 2021 fintech boom → What it means to be "comfortable with extended periods of uncertainty" – and why that might be the most important founder skill → The future of fintech infrastructure: stablecoins, AI agents, and whether physical cards will become relics Bo is an MIT-trained engineer who spent years building in the unsexy world of payment infrastructure while everyone else chased shiny objects like crypto and neobanks. Turns out, fixing the pipes is where the real, sustainable value lives. If you're a founder, builder, or anyone playing the long game, this conversation is for you. Episode Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 1:34 - From Privacy.com to Lithic: building two startups in one decade 5:38 - Consumer vs. B2B 8:23 - How the CEO role changes as the company scales 15:07 - Raising capital without being an AI research lab 19:15 - Generalists vs. specialists 26:28 - Managing mental health & burnout over 12 years 36:43 - Choosing the right investors & advisors 43:06 - War stories: the fraud attack 51:58 - Where fintech infrastructure is headed in the next 5-10 years

    58 min

  4. 17 FEB

    Building for Humans in a World Obsessed with Data with Nathan Stoll

    Nathan Stoll helped build the modern internet. Literally. He was an early product manager at Google before the IPO. He worked on the systems that powered Google’s ad revenue. He helped scale Google News globally. He even launched Google Suggest: the autocomplete feature billions of people use every day. And yet… this conversation wasn’t really about tech. Nathan has built and sold two companies (to Google and Walmart), led product at places like Strava and Handshake, and advised founders for decades. But what he’s thinking about now is deeply counter-cultural in Silicon Valley: Why emotions, intuition, and human connection matter more than dashboards, models, and optimization. In this episode of Not Another Podcast, we go deep on the human side of building, the part most founders feel but rarely talk about. We talk about: • Why feelings often beat data when making the hardest decisions • How human networks compound faster than code • What elite athletics taught Nathan about burnout, pacing, and long-term performance • Why some of the best founders choose to be less public, not more • How AI is accelerating faster than our ability to emotionally process it • The difference between optimizing for conversion vs. optimizing for fulfillment • Why listening is still the most underrated leadership skill Nathan also shares deeply personal stories about mentorship, small acts of kindness that changed his life, parenting while building, and why being a “whole human” makes you a better founder. This is a conversation about building things that last without losing yourself in the process. 🎧 Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

    1h 15m

  5. 3 FEB

    What Founders Get Wrong About Attention, Press, and Power with Alex Konrad @ Upstarts

    After 12 years at Forbes, Alex Konrad walked away from one of the most prestigious seats in tech journalism. He ran the Midas List. Co-created the Cloud 100. Wrote cover stories on the biggest names in tech. And then he left… to build his own media company from scratch. In this episode, Alex joins me to talk about what happens when you go from covering founders to being one. We get honest about entrepreneurship, attention, media, and why so much of what we glorify in startup culture doesn’t line up with reality. This conversation isn’t about hype cycles or hot takes. It’s about the actual work. We talk about why the word “founder” is often over-romanticized, why running a small business deserves more respect than it gets, and why most people misunderstand how press, attention, and storytelling really work. Alex also breaks down what founders consistently get wrong when pitching media, why “nobody cares” is the correct starting assumption, and how to reverse-engineer coverage that actually leads to real outcomes. If you’re building something in public, thinking about your relationship with attention, or trying to create work that actually holds weight over time, this episode will reframe how you think about all of it. We cover:• Why entrepreneurship is wildly over-glamorized and what the job actually is• The difference between being a “startup founder” and running a real business• Why “nobody cares” is the most useful mindset for founders and creators• How to think about press strategically instead of emotionally• Why talking to Bloomberg vs an independent outlet leads to completely different outcomes• The real reason founders think journalists are “out to get them”• How AI and content slop are forcing a return to quality and trust• Why some of the best stories look boring right before they look obvious Listen to the full episode and let us know what resonated. And if you enjoyed this one, subscribe for more honest conversations about building, pressure, and the unsexy parts of doing meaningful work.

    1h 6m

  6. 27 JAN

    Why Smart Founders Still End Up Miserable, with Evan Walden

    Most founders spend years asking the wrong questions. “How fast can this grow? How big could this be? What’s the smartest next move?” But the questions that actually shape your life usually come much later… often after you’re already exhausted, anxious, or stuck on a path that doesn’t feel right anymore. In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan sits down with Evan Walden, CEO and co-founder of Getro (recently acquired by Findem), for a grounded, deeply human conversation about what it really means to build something over the long term. Evan has spent nearly a decade building companies, mentoring founders, and watching smart, capable people quietly struggle. This isn’t because they weren’t talented, but because they never stopped to ask what they were actually trying to build for themselves. This episode explores: • Why companies don’t really die when they run out of money • The difference between keeping something alive through force and building something sustainable• How self-doubt shows up uniquely for entrepreneurs who are creating something from nothing•Why people-pleasing and external validation quietly sabotage founders• The hidden cost of hustle culture and seven-days-a-week thinking• Why taking time off is a signal of strength, not weakness• How values act as a decision-making system when everything feels ambiguous• The idea that every business starts as an art project and the moment when you have to decide what it’s becoming• How to zoom out and ask: Is this still the right thing for me to be working on? They also talk openly about mental health, therapy, leadership, culture, and the fear many founders carry that if they step away, everything will fall apart. This conversation isn’t about one “right” way to build. It’s about choosing a game you actually want to play and building something that fits who you are, not just who you think you’re supposed to be.

    1h 33m

  7. 20 JAN

    The Physical AI Revolution: Why Robots Will Matter More Than Chatbots with Anto Patrex

    Most of the AI world is obsessed with chatbots, agents, and software abstractions. Anto Patrex thinks that’s a distraction. Anto is the founder and CEO of CosmicBrain AI, a former NASA robotics engineer, and an early member of Elon Musk’s xAI team where he helped build Grok. In this episode of Not Another Podcast, Anto makes the case that the real AI revolution won’t live on your screen. It will walk, lift, build, and fight in the physical world. We’re talking humanoid robots today. In this episode, we talk about why Anto left one of the most coveted roles in AI to bet on humanoid robots, why “physical AI” is advancing faster than most people realize, and how his now-viral Robot Fight Club events ended up convincing skeptical investors and enterprise leaders that robots are far more capable than they thought. This conversation goes deep into the mechanics and implications of robotics: how robots learn by watching humans, why data and manufacturing matter more than flashy demos, and why China is currently ahead of the U.S. in the robotics race. We also unpack the long-term consequences for jobs, labor markets, national security, and why Anto believes optimism about technology is not naïve, but essential. If you’re curious where AI is actually headed next, this episode will stretch your imagination and reset your mental model. In this episode, we cover: • Why physical AI is a bigger opportunity than chatbots and agents• Anto’s journey from NASA → xAI → founding CosmicBrain• What Elon Musk taught him about constraints, speed, and belief• Why Robot Fight Club wasn’t a gimmick and actually accelerated adoption• The U.S. vs China robotics race and what’s at stake• Why robots won’t kill jobs, but will radically reshape them• How humanoid robots learn skills by watching humans• What the next 5–10 years of robotics could look like 🎙️ Listen now and rethink what “AI” actually means.

    53 min

  8. 13 JAN

    Why Building a Startup Will Expose Everything You Haven’t Dealt With

    Startup culture loves extremes. Grind harder. Sleep less. Push through. Don’t complain. And if you’re struggling, the assumption is simple: you’re not cut out for it. In this solo Q&A episode of Not Another Podcast, Brennan Pothetes flips that narrative on its head. After months of thoughtful DMs from founders, operators, and investors, Brennan sits down to answer the questions people usually whisper in private but rarely say out loud. Questions about anxiety, burnout, family tradeoffs, AI, ambition, and what it actually costs to build something meaningful. This isn’t motivational fluff or hustle porn. It’s a grounded, honest conversation about what happens when you put yourself into high-pressure environments, take investor money, and try to build something that matters while still being a human. Brennan shares personal stories from his own journey as a repeat founder, including moments he wishes he could take back, hard tradeoffs he refuses to repeat, and the frameworks he now uses to stay present, stable, and effective. If you’ve ever wondered whether something is “wrong” with you for finding startup life hard, this episode is for you. In this episode, Brennan covers: • Whether startup culture creates mental illness or simply exposes what’s already there• How anxiety shows up differently in normal jobs vs hypergrowth environments• Why flow state matters more than hours worked• The real cost founders’ families quietly absorb• How to prioritize your partner and kids without tanking the business• Why stability is an underrated competitive advantage• Whether AI is making founders lazy or finally giving them leverage• The biggest mistakes Brennan would’ve avoided if today’s AI tools existed earlier• How to manage chronic anxiety without losing your edge as a founder This episode is a reminder that you don’t need to suffer to build something great. You need clarity, presence, and the ability to regulate yourself under pressure.

    34 min
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Hey, I’m Brennan Pothetes. I’ve raised millions, burned out hard, and learned that most startup advice is toxic BS. Hustle culture isn’t a superpower. It’s a fast track to burnout. So I’m starting Not Another Podcast. Each episode, I’m doing something fun, like building Legos or cooking spaghetti, while having raw, honest convos with founders. It’s part therapy, part teardown. All real talk. If you’re done with the hype and want sustainable success, this is for you.

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  • Creator
    Infinity Constellation
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    17
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Infinity Constellation
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    Not Another Podcast

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