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Welcome to the Coach Approach Ministries Podcast! Coaching is a skillset and a mindset that helps people find focus, discover options and take action. At CAM, we train the very best Christian coaches in the world, and over the last decade, we've trained well over a thousand. Through this podcast, we want to share insights from the Coaching Community and help you to develop a broader understanding of coaching. You can find out more about us at www.coachapproachministries.org and sign up for our proven coach training.

  1. 1D AGO

    Speaking with Gravitas with Angie Ward

    Episode Summary In this reflective and candid conversation, Brian Miller sits down with Angie Ward, Director of the Doctor of Ministry Program at Denver Seminary, to explore what it means to lead from gravitas rather than persona. Angie shares why she shifted her writing voice toward deeper transparency in her Substack, The Contemplative Leader, and how embracing her full story—including mistakes, introversion, perfectionism, and even complex PTSD—has strengthened rather than weakened her leadership. This episode explores substantial leadership, contemplative presence, authenticity in a performative culture, and why becoming a better person may be the most important credential a coach can earn. Key Themes & Takeaways 1. From Content to Contemplation Angie reflects on her evolution as a writer and leader. Early on, she felt pressure to produce "content-heavy," didactic leadership writing. Over time, she realized people are far less interested in polished expertise and far more drawn to authentic reflection. Her shift: Writing pastorally instead of performatively Sharing lessons learned from real mistakes Letting her voice emerge from who she is, not just what she knows Leadership influence flows from identity, not information. 2. The "Gravitas Era" Angie describes entering what she calls her gravitas era—a season of leadership marked by weight, depth, and grounded presence. Gravitas, in her words, isn't about dominance. It's about: Emotional and spiritual substance Measured speech Deep listening Carrying responsibility without needing applause As leaders mature, their authority shifts from "listen to me" to "there's something steady here." 3. Substantial vs. Performative Leadership Brian references The Great Divorce, noting Lewis' imagery of heaven as a place of increasing substance. The connection? True leadership is about becoming substantial—grounded, present, integrated. Substance does not happen automatically with age. It comes through: Reflection Excavation Honest self-examination Courage to confront woundedness Experience ≠ maturity. Integration = maturity. 4. Redefining Perfection As a self-described recovering perfectionist, Angie reframes perfection not as flawlessness, but as being perfectly present. This includes: Showing up fully Owning mistakes (like spilling communion in front of a church) Admitting introversion and the need to recharge Naming mental health realities The paradox: The more substantial you become, the freer you are with your flaws. 5. Persona vs. Presence Angie pushes back against the "leader mystique" culture—the polished bio, the highlight reel, the curated persona. She reminds listeners: Your bio hides the rhinestone-gluing nights in Indiana. Authority grows from stewarded wounds. People are starving for leaders who feel real. Authenticity cannot be manufactured through tactics. It emerges from integration. 6. Coaching and Becoming a Better Person Brian observes something many coaches discover: To earn a credential like PCC, you don't just learn techniques—you become more aware, more grounded, more emotionally integrated. You cannot ask powerful questions from the outside. You must do the work internally. Substantial leaders ask substantial questions. Memorable Quotes "We lead out of who we are, not just what we do." "I feel like I'm entering my gravitas era." "Experience does not equal maturity." "The more substantial you are, the more free you are with your flaws." "I've had to redefine perfect as perfectly present." Resources Mentioned Angie's Substack: The Contemplative Leader Angie's website: angiewardphd.com The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis Who This Episode Is For Coaches seeking deeper integration, not just sharper tools Leaders tired of persona-driven leadership culture Christian leaders wrestling with authenticity and authority Anyone who senses they're entering a new season of gravitas Reflection Questions Where might you be leading from persona rather than presence? What wounds or experiences have shaped your gravitas? How would your leadership change if perfection meant "fully present"? What would it look like to steward your voice instead of perform it?

    16 min
  2. AI Can Grade the Transcript—Humans Grow the Coach with Doug Foltz

    MAR 5

    AI Can Grade the Transcript—Humans Grow the Coach with Doug Foltz

    Doug Foltz explains how he used AI to solve a real coach-development bottleneck: mentor coaching doesn't scale. By building a competency rubric and an AI "agent" that evaluates coaching transcripts, Doug's team reduced hours of expert analysis to minutes—then re-centered the human work where it matters most: reflection, agency, and a short mentor-coaching conversation. The bigger idea: "communal co-intelligence"—AI not just as a personal assistant, but as a tool that helps a whole coaching community preserve culture, build consistency, and scale development without losing what makes coaching human. Episode description How do you scale mentor coaching when you don't have the budget—or the hours? Doug Foltz (Content Engineering & Value Alignment Lead at Gloo, DMin candidate at Asbury, and longtime church-planting coach) shares how he built an AI-supported mentor-coaching loop: a detailed competency rubric + an AI evaluator that reviews transcripts in minutes. But Doug also warns about a hidden danger: AI can bypass reflection, which is essential for adult learning. So they intentionally added "friction" back into the process—reflection first, then AI feedback, then a short human coaching conversation. Along the way, Doug introduces a powerful concept: communal co-intelligence—AI that strengthens a community's shared language, values, and coaching culture. Key moments (timestamps) 0:02–1:20 – Who Doug is + why Brian calls him the "AI guy" 1:49–3:21 – The real problem: coaching training doesn't stick without mentor coaching 3:34–5:06 – Doug's solution: a rubric + AI agent that evaluates transcripts (levels 1–3) 6:44–8:15 – The twist: reflection is essential; AI can accidentally remove it 8:28–9:00 – The human loop: 15–20 minute mentor conversation after reflection + report 10:38–14:35 – Why AI matters: replaces 3–4 hours of expert analysis with minutes 15:04–16:15 – The church's role: protect what's uniquely human; set boundaries 16:27–19:16 – "Communal co-intelligence": AI + a coaching community's culture and standards 21:24–23:00 – What they observed: fast growth from Level 1 → Level 2; harder jump to Level 3 23:29–25:46 – Craft guild model: learn the fundamentals, then innovate without losing the core 28:57–31:14 – What's next: agentic systems, tools + data access, and AI as "work orchestrator" Key ideas AI can scale mentor coaching by doing the transcript evaluation quickly and consistently. Reflection is non-negotiable in adult learning; AI can "steal" it by doing the thinking for you. The solution is intentional friction: reflection → AI feedback → short human mentor coaching. Agency matters: don't make AI the all-knowing guru; keep the learner's authority intact. Communal co-intelligence: AI can reinforce a shared coaching culture across many coaches. Early gains can be rapid (novice → intermediate), but advanced mastery takes longer. The future is agentic systems that combine tools + data + context to orchestrate real work. Quotable lines (pull quotes) "We really can't scale coaching very well." "Mentor coaching is what makes the training stick." "My process actually bypasses [reflection] entirely." "We added a friction point… and we made them reflect." "You don't want the AI to be the all-knowing guru." "That's the part of the process that we said, we're going to replace." (re: 3–4 hours of evaluation) "Communal co-intelligence… it's the AI with our coaching community." "It becomes this orchestrator of work within an organization." Discussion questions (for Learning Lab / staff meeting) Where would AI help us scale without compromising what we value most? What part of our development process must remain human-only? Where might AI accidentally remove reflection, struggle, or ownership? What would a "reflection-first" workflow look like for our coaches or trainers? What are the risks of communal AI (shared culture) becoming static or overly controlling? If AI becomes an "orchestrator of work," what data is off-limits—and why? Practical takeaway AI is best used as a leverage tool—not a replacement for learning. Let it do the heavy lift of analysis and pattern recognition, then spend your human time where it counts: reflection, discernment, presence, and coaching conversations that build ownership and growth. If you design it well, AI doesn't dilute your culture—it can actually help you scale it.

    34 min
  3. The Leaders Who Need Certainty Will Struggle Most with Dr Brent Sleasman

    FEB 26

    The Leaders Who Need Certainty Will Struggle Most with Dr Brent Sleasman

    Dr. Brent Sleasman argues that leaders who cling to certainty—predictability, control, and stable cause-and-effect—are setting themselves up to fail in today's environment. In an uncertain age, organizations must separate mission from program, experiment without over-attaching to solutions, and build teams that balance visionaries and integrators. The goal isn't chaos; it's realism, adaptability, and a mission-driven posture that can keep moving even when the map keeps changing. Key moments (timestamps) 0:24–1:17 – The premise: clinging to certainty is a low-percentage path 1:34–2:47 – What "certainty" actually means: predictability → control 5:13–8:05 – Why the "insanity" quote breaks down in uncertain environments 8:42–9:43 – The blunt warning: stability-clingers are on a path toward organizational death 11:05–12:59 – Mission vs. program: stop conflating the two 13:18–15:11 – Discipleship analogy: start with mission, program follows 15:11–16:10 – "Love the problem more than you love the solution" 16:15–20:55 – Myers-Briggs J vs P: why the "organized" leaders can still drive off a cliff 21:01–24:27 – Balance matters: visionary + integrator, apostle + teacher 27:06–28:02 – Best practice: work shoulder-to-shoulder with trusted people 28:08–29:07 – Coaching frame: explore first, then act Key ideas  Certainty is the belief that you can predict outcomes. Prediction quietly becomes a demand for control. Uncertainty isn't a temporary storm—it's the climate. Acting like it's 1999 is the real risk. The "insanity" quote gets flipped: In an unstable environment, doing the same thing and expecting the same result may be the truly insane move. Mission and program are not the same thing. Programs are time-bound expressions of mission. Healthy organizations balance roles: visionaries/curiosity with integrators/stability. Tools help, but people matter more. Working together—friction and all—beats perfect assessments on paper. Quotable lines "Those that cling to certainty are set on a path that has got a low percentage of success." "Following prediction is control." "I can control the immediate and the longer-term future—and that's just not the reality today." "In an uncertain environment… the insane thing would have been doing the same thing and expecting the same result." "Those that cling to stability, those that cling to certainty, are on a path toward organizational death." "Very rarely are specific programs the mission." "You've got to love the problem more than you love the solution." "Surround yourself with people that you trust… admit that it's going to be messy." Discussion questions  Where are you still operating as if your environment is stable—even though it isn't? What "program" have you accidentally treated like it is the mission? What's one experiment you could run this month that serves the mission without defending old forms? Are you more "visionary curiosity" or "stability integrator"? Who balances you? What would it look like to "love the problem" without getting addicted to your favorite solution? Listener takeaway If you need certainty to lead, you're going to be miserable right now—and you might make your organization miserable too. The better path is to anchor in mission, loosen your grip on programs, and build a team that can both explore and execute. Uncertainty doesn't require panic; it requires humility, experimentation, and the willingness to trade control for learning.

    32 min

  4. FEB 19

    When Your Business Partner Is Your Spouse

    Brian Miller (Coach Approach Ministries) is joined by Robert & Kaylee Fukui, authors of Tandem: The Married Entrepreneur's Guide for Greater Work-Life Balance, with special guest Danelle Miller (CAM Operations Director… and Brian's wife). They talk about what happens when marriage and business share the same kitchen table: role confusion, taking things personally, decision gridlock, risk tolerance gaps, and the surprisingly powerful value of prepping conversations so nobody gets blindsided. Along the way: performance reviews when you're married to the boss, why "we never argue" is not the flex people think it is, and the simple signals and boundaries that keep conflict messy-but-safe instead of messy-and-destructive. Key takeaways Name the hat you're wearing. "Husband vs boss vs coach" isn't semantics—it's the difference between teamwork and accidental emotional arson. Most conflict escalates because it gets personal fast. Entrepreneur couples take disagreement as distrust quicker than typical coworkers would. Decision-making is the #1 limiter. If you can't come to agreement, you can't move forward in business—and you might torch the marriage while trying. Risk tolerance differences are real (and predictable). One person wants to jump; the other wants a safety net. Healthy couples build the net together. No surprises. Healthy reviews and hard conversations work best when people get a heads-up and a chance to think and respond. "Guard your heart" (shot over the bow). A simple pre-signal + a few deep breaths helps the listener receive without reacting. DISC-style awareness lowers the temperature. When differences are expected, they stop feeling like betrayal and start feeling like design. Memorable moments (with timestamps) 00:01:30 – 00:04:10 — Brian describes working with Danelle: "On paper, I'm the boss…" (and then reality walks into the room). 00:04:11 – 00:06:34 — Performance reviews as a married team; why "changing hats purposefully" matters. 00:07:05 – 00:11:06 — Biggest obstacles: blurred lines, taking it personal, conflict resolution, and decision paralysis. 00:11:52 – 00:13:02 — "Opposites attract; once we say 'I do,' it's irritating." 00:14:11 – 00:15:13 — The myth of "we never argue" and why it can be a warning sign. 00:15:13 – 00:16:33 — Danelle's "six months of stuffing" → file cabinet dump (every spouse just felt that in their bones). 00:17:37 – 00:18:15 — "40,000 feet vs zero feet" leadership styles; how execution starts too early and vision changes too fast. 00:22:23 – 00:23:37 — Brian on the harder truth: telling Danelle difficult things and the need for "messy but safe." 00:23:48 – 00:24:23 — "Guard your heart" + deep breaths = better receiving. 00:31:42 – 00:33:36 — Resources: the book, assessment, and discovery call pathway. 00:33:47 – 00:35:16 — Danelle's takeaway: boundaries have types—time, giftedness, and roles—and naming them helps. Practical tools you can steal today 1) The "Hat Statement" Before a conversation, say: "I'm speaking as your spouse." "I'm speaking as your business partner." "I'm speaking as your boss/employee." Then agree on the goal: solve, decide, debrief, or just listen. 2) The "Shot Over the Bow" A pre-signal for hard truth: "Guard your heart." "This might sting; I love you; we're okay; we still need to talk." Then: two deep breaths before the content lands. 3) The "Is now a good time?" boundary Especially for the spaghetti/waffle clash: Ask permission to enter the other person's mental room. If not now, schedule it: lunch / weekly meeting / tonight. Discussion questions (great for couples, teams, or coach debrief) Where do work and home boundaries blur most for us—time, topic, tone, or role? When we disagree, what story do I tell myself about what it means? (e.g., "You don't trust me.") What's our risk tolerance gap—and how can we build "safe jumping" together? What pre-signal would help me receive hard truth without reacting? What would "messy but safe" look like as a norm in our relationship? Resources mentioned Book: Tandem: The Married Entrepreneur's Guide for Greater Work-Life Balance (available via Amazon; also mentioned: thetandembook.com) Assessment + CAM listener page: marriedentrepreneur.co/cam (includes assessment + discovery call link) Coach Approach Ministries: coachapproachministries.org

    37 min
  5. How to Lead When Certainty is Gone with Brent Sleasman

    FEB 12

    How to Lead When Certainty is Gone with Brent Sleasman

    Brian Miller (Coach Approach Ministries) sits down with Brent Sleasman (Winebrenner Seminary) to unpack a hard reality: important kingdom-focused organizations are disappearing—not because the mission isn't needed, but because leaders fail to see the bigger picture and adapt to a changed world. They explore how "little-kingdom thinking," nostalgia-driven decision-making, and fear of loss keep leaders stuck. The conversation lands on two mindset shifts—moving from deconstruction to construction, and from craving certainty to practicing curiosity—plus a practical lifeline: partnership and collaboration before it's too late. Big ideas & key takeaways 1) "Important organizations" can fail while the Kingdom doesn't Brent defines "important" as organizations advancing Jesus' kingdom mission—raising up and equipping workers. Some fail by closing completely; others "survive" by being absorbed and losing autonomy and original mission. 2) The "bigger perspective" starts with Kingdom clarity Brent's core framework: One King One Kingdom One Kingdom mission When organizations obsess over their own mission/brand distinctiveness and neglect the larger kingdom mission, they drift into "my little kingdom" thinking—and conflict with reality eventually wins. 3) Nonprofits get a weird superpower: they can ignore financial reality longer Because they're not serving shareholders or chasing profit, they can keep doing what "worked for my grandparents"… right up until the day they can't pay staff. 4) Leaders are loss-averse, so change feels like dying Brent names the psychology: we overweight what we might lose versus what we might gain. So even small workflow changes (a new system, new dashboard, a meeting rhythm) can get treated like a spiritual crisis. 5) Two mindset shifts for a VUCA world Brent's two shifts: Deconstruction → Construction (Jeremiah language: don't only tear down/uproot; also build and plant.) Certainty → Curiosity/comfort with uncertainty (the world is volatile, uncertain, complex, ambiguous—so "certainty" as a leadership strategy is basically a fossil.) 6) The practical rescue move: partnership Brent's blunt claim: organizations that failed had ready partners available, but didn't take the humility step early enough. If you think no partner exists, his response is essentially: test that—then admit you're wrong. 7) Before you "shut it down well," try one more creative loop He points to tools/resources (Business Model Canvas, The Startup Way, books/podcasts) to spark fresh thinking before leaders get enchanted with the shutdown process. Standout quotes (clean and punchy) "There's one king, one kingdom, one kingdom mission." "People would rather the church close than change the color of the carpet." "Nobody likes the person at a party that's constantly pointing out everything wrong." "You're going to feel worse about what you lose than what you gain—until you do it." "There were ready partners." Light outline (great for show notes) 00:00–01:35 Setup: "Human-to-human connection will matter more" + the bigger claim: orgs failing due to lack of perspective 01:36–04:31 What "important" means; what "failure" means (closure vs. absorption) 04:32–09:30 Bigger perspective = Kingdom-first clarity (Matthew 28; "one king…") 09:31–15:06 Why orgs get stuck: nostalgia, purity mindset, resistance to change, delayed financial consequences 15:07–20:07 Helping leaders embody mission; fear/loss aversion; journeying together 20:08–26:18 Mindset shifts: constructive thinking + comfort with uncertainty; VUCA 26:19–32:17 Direct advice: partnership/collaboration + use tools/resources to spur creativity; closing encouragement + CAM CTA Practical application prompts (for leaders listening) Where are we protecting our identity more than we're advancing the Kingdom mission? What's one change we keep calling "impossible" that is actually just "uncomfortable"? Who are the "ready partners" we've avoided because partnership would require humility? What decision are we delaying until "certainty" arrives (spoiler: it's not arriving)? What are we building and planting right now—not just critiquing? Links / resources mentioned (no links given in audio) Michael Porter, Competitive Advantage Business Model Canvas Eric Ries, The Startup Way VUCA (Volatile, Uncertain, Complex, Ambiguous) Scriptural references/inferences: Matthew 28 (Great Commission), "harvest is plentiful/workers few," Jeremiah (tear down/uproot vs build/plant), "gates of hell shall not prevail"

    33 min

  6. FEB 5

    Human-to-Human: The Skill That's About to Get More Valuable

    In this "presidential summit," Brian Miller talks with Brent Sleasman, president of Winebrenner Theological Seminary, about why human-to-human interaction is becoming more important—not less—in an age of remote work, economic pressure, and accelerating AI. They explore the surprising value of presence (even silent presence on Zoom), the tradeoffs between convenience and community, and why the future threat may not be "AI takes over," but "we accept a life where we don't have to show up." Brent offers practical "resistance" practices: choose the right communication medium for the message, and become aware of how environments (digital and physical) quietly shape relationships. Big Ideas & Takeaways Presence is doing more work than we can explain. Brian describes long silent pauses on Zoom with close friends—awkward on paper, deeply meaningful in reality. Remote work is rational…and still costly. Brent names the tension: economics, childcare, and flexibility push us away from in-person life, even though we're built for connection. "Soft skills" aren't soft. They're survival skills. Can you make a phone call? Handle conflict politely? Speak to a real human when it's uncomfortable? Employers increasingly care. AI's superpower is efficiency—our humanity includes limits. Brent warns that AI can outpace human pace, tempting us to treat limits as defects instead of features. The bigger danger may be delightful surrender. Brian pushes back on the fantasy that it would be "great" if AI removes the need for human responsibility, effort, and showing up. Fear sells. Pay attention to who benefits. Brent cautions that AI panic can become a marketing strategy: frighten people, then sell them the solution. The cultural fork: Orwell vs. Huxley. Brent references Neil Postman: the threat may not be suppressed truth (1984), but being anesthetized by pleasure and convenience (Brave New World). Memorable Moments / Quotes (paraphrased) "We're just sitting there…quiet…looking at each other…and it feels important." "It makes no sense financially to go in person… and yet I feel like I need to go." "AI is off-the-chart efficient. What if humans aren't designed to be highly efficient?" "You're still the one hitting send." Practices Brent Recommends Match the medium to the message. Ask: Is this a text? An email? A call? A visit? Don't force one tool to do another tool's job. Raise your awareness of your environments. Tech and space shape relationships. Rooms, furniture, screens, workflows—none are neutral. They were designed, so they can be redesigned. Conversation Outline (Timestamp-ish) 00:00–02:30 Why human-to-human interaction will matter more (remote work, AI, lived experience) 02:30–06:00 The strange value of silence and presence (Zoom pauses, men's group) 06:00–10:40 Remote work tension + economics as a force pulling us away from in-person 10:40–18:50 Seminary/community: what changes, what doesn't; hybrid connection and annual in-person "anchor" time 18:50–27:40 AI: efficiency vs. humanity; the temptation to avoid real people; "I don't want AI to write—I want to write" 27:40–30:00 Postman, Brave New World, and resisting "pleasant" dehumanization 30:00–34:05 Practical resistance: medium choices + environmental awareness; close and call to action Listener Reflection Questions Where have you traded presence for convenience—and what has it cost you? What relationships need a phone call or a coffee instead of one more email? What "environment" (phone, office layout, family rhythms, tech stack) is shaping you more than you're shaping it? Where are you letting efficiency define what "good" looks like?

    35 min

  7. JAN 29

    Coaching is the Missing Tool for Discipleship (Rebroadcast)

    Coaching isn't just useful for discipleship—it may be the missing skill set for making disciple-makers. The conversation is candid, funny, and quietly sharp: COVID exposed shallow formation, and the church's "information-first" approach is often producing people who can pass the quiz but can't live the life. What this episode is really about How coaching skills turn discipleship from "content delivery" into "life transformation," and why that matters if you want disciples who can actually reproduce—aka spiritual grandchildren. The main arc COVID as an x-ray: Tracy says the pandemic revealed weakness and shallowness in churches—faith wasn't helping people through reality as much as we assumed. Disciples vs. disciple-makers: Lots of systems can "disciple" people. The breakdown comes when those people are supposed to disciple others…and don't. Coaching as the bridge: Listening, powerful questions, Holy Spirit awareness, concise observations, encouragement—these are the exact "soft skills" disciple-makers need. Ownership beats compliance: If a person doesn't own the next step, they won't do it. Coaching helps them name it, choose it, and commit to it. Gold analogies and quotable moments "Checkbox Christianity": Brian compares conversion to clicking "I agree" on software terms you didn't read…until life hits and you realize you never actually understood what you signed up for. David wearing Saul's armor: What works for the discipler isn't automatically the right "rule of life" for the disciple. Customization matters. Your gallbladder parable: ER doc assumed you wouldn't change ("you'll be back; let's take it out"). Family doctor assumed change is possible and coached you toward it—so you kept your gallbladder. That becomes the whole discipleship point: do we assume people can change? "Pastor, what should I do?" → "You should ask Jesus." (Brian notes how rare that response is—and how coaching questions push people into hearing God, not outsourcing their spiritual life to professionals.) Practical coaching skills applied to discipleship (the "how") Listen to locate, not to reload. Disciple-making isn't "me talking, you listening." It's listening to where someone actually is, then drawing them out. Ask questions that create awareness: Jesus-style questions show up ("Who do you say I am?"). Good disciple-makers ask, not just tell. Use observations (concise messages), not advice-dumps: "When you quoted that verse, something lit up in you." "It sounds like Scripture reading hasn't been life-giving lately." Observations invite reflection without taking over. Offer resources when the gap is real: You can't "pull out" what isn't there. Tracy's prayer example: discover she knows only one way to pray → offer a resource → let her choose what resonates → she owns it. The model Brian Tracy is building 10-month micro-group discipleship (max four people, weekly, relational, life-on-life). Participants lead segments early so development is "doing," not just learning. After 10 months, they go through CAM 501, then get released to disciple 2–3 people. Tracy continues coaching them monthly to review progress—very "Jesus: watch me → do it → debrief → do it again." The punchline challenge to the church The church often assumes discipleship = more information. But Scripture itself pushes toward transformation + obedience: "Teaching them to observe/do…" James: don't merely listen and deceive yourselves. D.L. Moody: Bible wasn't given to increase information, but to transform life. Coaching helps close the gap between knowing and doing. Where Tracy says this is going A disciple-making movement in his local church built on coaching-enabled disciple-makers. Cohorts of pastors in the fall to redesign discipleship in their contexts using coaching skills as the method, regardless of the curriculum. Ending vibe They land the plane with contact info (and more "Brian vs. Bryan" banter), then Brian ties it to Romans 12: transformation through renewed thinking—exactly the kind of change coaching is designed to catalyze.

    29 min

  8. JAN 22

    Masterclass in Coaching Leaders

    Brian Miller and Rev. Dr. Brian Tracy keep the January theme rolling—escaping the tyranny of the urgent—but this episode zeroes in on leadership coaching: why leaders get stuck, what beliefs jam the gears, and how a coach helps a leader climb out of survival mode and back into purpose. It opens with some playful "Brian spelling reform" banter (the Y can repent), then turns into a surprisingly practical coaching framework for leaders who feel like every week is "sludging through the mud." Key Highlights Why leaders stall out: Many leaders know the hill they want to take… but their Monday–Friday reality feels like mud, and they can't translate vision into Tuesday afternoon. Triple-loop coaching lens: Brian frames the problem as actions → strategy → identity. Tracy agrees most leaders stay stuck at the surface level (tweaking actions) without addressing strategy or identity. Balcony view: They talk about moving leaders from minutiae to perspective using "psychological distancing" and future-oriented questions: "Where do you want this to be in 5 years?" "What would 10-years-from-now you tell you to focus on?" Unsticking the gear: Brian describes a coaching move that creates safety—"I'm not holding you to this"—to help a frozen leader name a first step and regain momentum. Beliefs that sabotage leaders: Scarcity vs. abundance (closed-handed vs. open-handed leadership) "If I'm the leader, I should know everything" (which kills curiosity and learning) "If I'm leading right, there won't be complaints" (spoiler: change creates complaints) Takeaways Coaching gives leaders a place where every sentence isn't a grenade. In leadership, words carry 10x weight; coaching offers a safe lab to think out loud without collateral damage. A good leader reviews and prunes. Tracy describes doing a regular "stop/start" review twice a year because clutter expands like glitter—once it's in the room, it's everywhere. Don't build everything around yourself. Brian reflects on leaving "holes" when he exited organizations earlier in life—and names that as a leadership mistake. Healthy leadership equips others until the organization can run without you. Empowerment is the job. Tracy grounds it in Ephesians 4: leaders equip others to do the work, not hoard the work to feel needed. Criticism isn't a sign you're failing—sometimes it's proof you're leading. If you're changing anything meaningful, pushback is part of the fee. Even Jesus had bad Yelp reviews. Memorable Lines & Moments "Survival" as a strategy is still a strategy… just a terrible one. "The more authority you give away, the more authority you have." "If I'm successful, it's not because I got the job done—it's because they got it done." Moneyball reference: "The first guy through the wall always gets beat up." (Accurate, and also why most people prefer to be the second guy.)

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Welcome to the Coach Approach Ministries Podcast! Coaching is a skillset and a mindset that helps people find focus, discover options and take action. At CAM, we train the very best Christian coaches in the world, and over the last decade, we've trained well over a thousand. Through this podcast, we want to share insights from the Coaching Community and help you to develop a broader understanding of coaching. You can find out more about us at www.coachapproachministries.org and sign up for our proven coach training.

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