Property Management Growth with DoorGrow

DoorGrow | #1 Property Management Growth Experts with Jason & Sarah Hull
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🚀 Struggling to grow your property management business? 🔥 Need more doors but feel stuck? ⚙️ Operations a mess? Welcome to Property Management Growth with DoorGrow! This is THE podcast for property managers who want to scale faster, add more doors, and systemize their operations—without the B.S. Hosted by Jason Hull, marketing expert, entrepreneur coach, and property management growth strategist, we bring you the best strategies, insights, and hacks to help you dominate your market. Learn from top property managers, industry experts, and vendors sharing real-world tactics that actually work. ✅ How to attract more property owners ✅ Fixing broken operations & streamlining processes ✅ Marketing & sales strategies that get you more doors ✅ Eliminating stress & scaling efficiently Join our free community of growth-focused property managers at DoorGrowClub.com and get the best property management marketing & growth strategies at DoorGrow.com. 🎧 Subscribe now and start growing your business today!

  1. 4d ago

    The Freedom Formula for Property Managers

    Hiring is building a business that gives you more freedom instead of making you more dependent on it.  In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, Jason and Sarah Hull break down one of the most expensive mistakes property management business owners make: hiring based solely on what the business appears to need instead of what the owner actually needs. They explain why this common approach leaves entrepreneurs overwhelmed, wearing the wrong hats, and trapped inside businesses they no longer enjoy running.  You'll learn how a simple time study can reveal where your energy, focus, and profitability are being lost, why every new hire should solve both a business problem and an owner problem, and how reallocating your time toward high-value activities creates sustainable growth. You'll Learn [00:00] Why Freedom Is the Foundation of Entrepreneurship [05:12] Building a Business That Creates More Freedom [09:45] Helping Your Team Thrive Through Autonomy [15:08] Why Property Managers Really Sell Freedom [20:14] Trust, Leadership, and Better Client Relationships [26:10] Creating Freedom at Every Level of Your Business [31:35] Escaping the Business Owner's Cage [36:42] DoorGrow's Framework for Business Freedom Quotables "Money flows towards freedom." Jason Hull "Trust creates freedom." Jason Hull  "We mistakenly think we want more money. But what we really want is what we think money will give us, which is more freedom." Jason Hull  "The product that you should be selling is not really property management. It should be freedom." Jason Hull Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) We are Jason and Sarah Hull, the founder and CEO and COO of DoorGrow, and we are the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry.   At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. All right, so today,   we're talking about freedom. Freedom. All right, we just celebrated the   Fourth of July, Independence Day. It's it's it's called Independence Day, and the reason that they're shifting it to Fourth of July is to get people to be less focused on their independence because that's what it is. It's independence day. Okay. Well yes, so let's recap. The the United States came about because a group of really awesome entrepreneurial people decided that they did not want   to be beholden to Britain and they declared their independence, which was, you know, basically declaring war. And this small little group of colonies decided to go to war with the biggest, most established military in the world at the time. And we won. We we were able to achieve our independence. So okay   Now, why was America able to win? Well, my theory or belief is that f anytime you are moving with the river instead of swimming upstream of freedom, the river of freedom, you have momentum and yeah, at your back. You have the wind in your sails. You are headed in the direction, and   everything moves towards greater freedom.   And I think then you will be more likely to have success if you're moving towards freedom. And so I think the USA is a big macrocosmic sort of example of the microcosmic. And so we're gonna talk about how money flows towards freedom today is kind of the idea. So why do people start businesses, Sarah?   That's like one of the biggest reasons is they go, Hey, I I want to do things my way. I see a need in the marketplace and the way that other people are doing things is maybe it's not good or maybe you think you have, you know, some better ideas. Maybe there's this this need for a product or service that doesn't yet exist.   And they go, hey, I have the freedom and the ability to create this product or service and meet this need in the marketplace. And a lot of times, entrepreneurs, we think that we can do things better than other people can do it. And a lot of times we're right. And that's why businesses start to exist and and grow and expand, is they see a need and they   Fill said need. So we have the the choice really to be able to say, hey, I'm I'm gonna step up and be the one who meets that need. All right. Yeah. So I think if we're going along with this momentum, this river of freedom, and you're headed in that direction, what could be more powerful than starting a business in a nation that values freedom with people?   That value, they were raised celebrating Independence Day every year. They're celebrating freedom. We value freedom. And you're a business owner that values getting more and more freedom and creating freedom. And then you create a business like property management where you are creating freedom for others. You're giving other people freedom from things they don't enjoy dealing with.   Is you all of this can if if aligned creates a massive amount of momentum. It can create a lot of success if you're selling the right thing, the right thing,   and this is what we do at DoorGroup. Our goal is to help business owners get more freedom from doing the day-to-day work, from being the property manager to being more of the business owner, the visionary, the entrepreneur. So, yes, the business owner.   as business owners, we value freedom. Usually we mistakenly think we want more money. But what we really want is what we think money will give us, which is more freedom if we do it the right way. But we make more and more money eventually realizing we have less and less freedom the more money we make because we're doing it the wrong way. And then we're like, why am I even doing this? yeah, I want freedom. I don't just want more money. Because once you get more money, but you have less freedom, you realize this isn't the trade I wanted.   And so we want to make sure we're focused on getting yourself more freedom. You got to build the right business. If you build it wrong, your business can't scale, it can't grow. And you, if you're because you're moving upstream, you're in conflict with freedom. And so, as a business owner, if you start building a business that's giving you less and less freedom, even though you're trying to help others get freedom, you're going to be out of integrity. People are going to feel that. It's going to be harder to sell it. You're going to, you know, to others and convince them to become your client.   And you're going to just experience a massive amount of friction and unconsciously you're going to sabotage.   Once you have more freedom, then you probably also want to give your team more freedom. How do we give our team more freedom?   Consistently shifting them into more of the things that they do enjoy, and by making sure that they can really specialize in what they enjoy and what they're good at. So usually when a business starts, unless there's a lot of resources and capital, businesses typically tend to start with one person, maybe two people, and then that one or   Two people, they end up doing everything. So they they are the entirety of the business. Every role, every task, every department is filled by that person or those, you know, small handful of people. And then as the business grows, then some shifts are able to be made where those people no longer have to handle every single thing because they can bring on the right.   resources and sometimes that might be software, sometimes that might be people, sometimes that might be an AI tool. But they can start to shift some of those responsibilities to other people or tools and that allows them to focus more on the things that they really do enjoy doing and they're they're good at. And the same then kind of trickles downstream to the team.   where the team kind of gets to experience that same thing. Usually when especially your first team member, that team member ends up doing a little bit of multiple pieces of roles. Even to the best of our ability we try. We're like, hey, this is gonna be the role that you do and then the someone's getting roped, either the business owner or that team member is getting roped into all of these other pieces. So to give our team more and more freedom   really allows them to become an expert and a specialist in what they enjoy and in what they're good at. And that usually looks like expansion. Hmm. Okay. And that's a good segue to mentioning our sponsor for today's episode. It is because they give you freedom through ooh software. So ring ring, who's there? Ha, not property managers. Over half don't even answer their phones during   Business hours. Hot leads are calling you directly and they're going straight to missed calls. They're going right to voicemail. So if you're spending time and money on growth, you need to actually capture that growth. And that is where super comes in. Super's AI receptionist sounds lifelike. It answers 24-7 and it's trained on property management. It even makes follow-up calls to leads that you might have missed. Go to higher super.com slash doorgrow.   And stop missing revenue to miss calls. Okay.   Most business owners make the mistake. They think if I control my team more, I'll get better output.   And that's not the case. You that means you need better people. If you have great people, they will lead themselves. If you have better people, and you move them into what feels like more freedom for them, which means they have more autonomy, more ability to make choices and decisions, more time spent doing things that give them fulfillment that they enjoy doing. Like Sarah

  2. Aug 7

    When Should Property Managers Hire Next?

    In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, Jason and Sarah Hull break down one of the most expensive mistakes property management business owners make: hiring based solely on what the business appears to need instead of what the owner actually needs. They explain why this common approach leaves entrepreneurs overwhelmed, wearing the wrong hats, and trapped inside businesses they no longer enjoy running.  You'll learn how a simple time study can reveal where your energy, focus, and profitability are being lost, why every new hire should solve both a business problem and an owner problem, and how reallocating your time toward high-value activities creates sustainable growth.   You'll Learn [00:00] Why Most Property Managers Hire the Wrong Way [03:18] The Hidden Cost of Bad Hiring Decisions [08:25] Using a Time Study to Find Your Next Hire [13:05] Balancing Your Needs With the Business's Needs [18:12] Why Every Business Owner Needs an Assistant [22:20] Stop Doing Low-Value Work [26:15] Freeing Yourself to Focus on Revenue Growth [29:10] Building a Team That Creates Freedom Quotables "One bad hiring mistake is usually a 10 grand minimum mistake." Jason Hull  "You cannot build the right team around the wrong person." Jason Hull  "Every team member should be born out of a time study." Jason Hull  "The point of having a business is you should get more fulfillment, more freedom, more contribution, more support." Jason Hull Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) Okay, we are Jason and Sarah Hull, the owners of DoorGro, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGro, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses.   We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now, let's get into the show. All right. So today's topic, we're going to talk about how to make the decision as a property management business owner to hire. How to effectively decide it's time to hire and how not to screw this up. So we're not going to get into the whole hiring process. We've talked about that a bit on some other   Episodes. If you'd like to hear more about that, reach out to us or check out our other episodes. But today we're going to talk about how to make the right decision of who to get and when to hire and who you need in the business. Cool.   one bad hiring mistake is usually a 10 grand minimum mistake. And anybody that's gone through hiring a lot of team members, you know. Like I've hired lots over the years, and it's been some of them can be pretty painful when you make a bad move. So you want to make sure you make good decisions. So   So here's how most people do it, which is wrong. How most people do it is they look, what does the business need? And they're like, the business needs a maintenance coordinator, or the business needs this. And they just continually keep giving the business what it needs. And so this I call kind of the solopreneur way of hiring hiring. They think the way a solopreneur thinks, they think I do everything. Now I need to hire somebody to do these other pieces that the business needs. And they start building a team based around.   What the business wants.   every team member, should exist if they are taking something off of your plate because you do everything initially. Now, sort of, they're like, well, you know, I'm doing the maintenance stuff, so I need a maintenance coordinator. And that's kind of works. But the problem is if you continually build your team based on what the business seems to be asking for and what it needs, and you're not taking care of yourself, you end up with an entire team.   And you're still miserable in your own business. And this is pretty much most business owners at NARPAM. This is most of the people in the two to 400 door range. So I'm calling you out. So if you are a member of NARPAM and you have between two to 400 units and you are still wearing hats you don't enjoy in your business, I promise you you have the wrong team. Why? Because I know for a fact you cannot build the right team around the wrong person. And so if you're still wearing hats you don't enjoy,   Meaning you are showing up as the wrong person in the business, doing stuff that you don't like doing, that's not your favorite thing, and you've built an entire team around you, you have the wrong team. All right. So how do we fix this? Well, first you have to know that that is your case. So sometimes you talk to people and they have no idea. They don't realize. They go, no, I have a great team. My team is awesome. I I really   So it's hard to fix a problem if you don't recognize that it's the problem. It's almost like when you have a plumbing leak. It's hard to fix that leak if you're not sure where the leak is coming from. So we need to identify where the issue is and then rip the walls open. If we just start ripping the walls open and looking for the leak, it's   just   pretty expensive and inefficient. So we need to recognize, hey, there's a problem leak here. And then we need to identify where is the leak and what is the actual problem. So I'd say that's the very first thing. And sometimes that's also really hard for people to do. Especially when they're attached to their teams. Like, no, I love my team. How many times have we heard that? I love my team. I have to my team's great. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So but they might be great. You might have great people, but they are not   Your ideal team because you're still involved in stuff. So usually what we do is we have them do a time study. This is how we figure out five different currencies: time, energy, focus, cash, and effort. These are the five things that you have to invest in the business that the business has to invest. These are your resources and   In order to hire a new team member or bring somebody else in, you have to make sure that if you're going to reallocate these resources, you've got to do it in a way that's really effective. Otherwise, this could be dangerous. So a lot of times I'll share the analogy so people understand how important this is. if you've ever seen Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom, Indiana Jones, he's running from this giant boulder. He's carrying this gold statue. He's trying to like   Get out of there, and this boulder's rolling down the hill at him, and he's trying to get out of there as quick as possible. Otherwise, squish, Indiana dies, right? So, this is a great analogy for business. So here's how I look at this. Imagine this picture. There is an entrepreneur running from the boulder. What is the boulder? Expenses. It's always moving, it's always coming after you. And sometimes that boulder picks up speed or grows as the business grows.   And so that's expenses. Indiana Jones running, that's sales and revenue generation and generating cash like for the business. The gap in between Indiana Jones running and the boulder, which is expenses, is cash flow. If the business runs out of cash flow, the business is essentially dead. The business dies. Or it goes into debt, which it's just eventually going to die. So we want to make sure that we are.   Constantly generating revenue. The speed, the slope of this path is the speed of which the business grows. And so if we want to grow really fast, we spend a lot more money. There's a lot more expenses. Everything's moving a lot faster.   And so this is where hiring can cause some big problems, or rolling out new tech can cause big problems because we get distracted and we're no longer focused on revenue generation and that has to stay the main thing. So you've got to keep running and you can't stop and unless you're able to somehow dramatically reduce expenses. So it slows down or it's less scary. But you've got to keep running. So we do a time study, and this helps us figure out time, energy, focus, cash, and effort.   Where am I currently investing all this? And is it giving me what I want? Is this according to my highest priorities and what I need? So this is the lens we look at for you. So imagine a Venn diagram with two circles. Circle on the left is you. Circle on the right is the business. Most entrepreneurs build their team, build their systems, build the business, only focusing on the business. And so they end up neglected and they end up more and more miserable. And they end up with a business that becomes like almost like a   master to them. You're like a slave. If you ever felt like a waking up and you're a slave to your own business, you've put too much attention on the business and not enough on yourself.   What happens if your expenses catch up to Indiana Jones? Squished. Right? He gets squished. And as a business owner, it's not a great thing to feel squished. But there is something that probably should be squished. And that's pests. Yuck. So moving into a new place is exciting, but setting up utilities, that's a big pest, isn't it? Yep.   That's where Utility Profit comes in. It's a free tool that property managers share with their tenants during move-in, and it completely takes a headache out of getting the utilities set up. So it's less stressful for you and for them. So here's how it works: tenants get a personalized page with their utility options that are already mapped out for their specific address. Things like internet, electric, gas, you name it, they pick what they need, they set everything up, and it's all in one place.   No Googling, no back and forth with landlords saying, hey, who's the electric company here a

  3. Jul 31

    Measure, Map, Automate: Smarter Property Management

    AI is everywhere, but are property management companies asking the right questions before implementing it? In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, Jason Hull sits down with Mo Hussain to discuss why successful AI adoption has far less to do with technology and far more to do with operational clarity. Instead of chasing the latest AI tools, Mo introduces his Measure, Map, Automate framework to identify operational bottlenecks, uncover hidden profit leaks, and build workflows that actually improve business performance.  Together, they explore why clean data is the foundation of automation, how undocumented processes create costly inefficiencies, and why AI should enhance human decision-making rather than replace it.   You'll Learn [00:00] Meet Mo Hussain and the Measure, Map, Automate Framework [03:20] Why Most Companies Ask the Wrong AI Questions [08:10] The Role of Clean Data in AI Success [12:45] Mapping Workflows Before Automating Them [15:30] The Process Myth and Better Operational Systems [21:10] Building Accountability Into AI Workflows [25:15] Designing AI Agents That Actually Perform [27:45] Turning Operational Data Into Business Growth [29:15] Final Advice for Property Management Leaders Quotables "AI value really truly is workflow value." Mo Hussain  "AI depends on trusted operational data." Mo Hussain  "The winners are not gonna be the companies that have the most amount of data, but they're the ones that can convert data into consistent operating actions." Mo Hussain  Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) welcome everybody. I'm Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry.   At DoorGro, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. And my guest today is Mo Hussain, and we're going to be talking about how property management companies can stop drowning in data and start turning it into real operational growth. In this episode,   Mo is breaking down the measure, map, and automate framework that he has built and approach an approach to uncovering hidden margins, reducing manual oversight, and getting more value out of every door in your portfolio.   right.   is Mo Hussain. Mo, welcome to the show.   Mo Hussein (01:01) Hey Jason, happy to be here.   Jason Hull (01:03) So today we're going to be chatting a little bit about how property management companies can stop drowning in data and start turning it into real operational growth. And Mo's going to break down the measure, map, and automate framework, his approach for uncovering hidden margins, reducing manual oversight, and getting more value out of every door in your portfolio. So cool, measuring is important. We'll get into that. So before we get into that, Mo,   Can you give people a little bit of background on yourself? How did you get into entrepreneurism? How did you get connected to property management? And help everybody understand who Mo is. Yeah.   Mo Hussein (01:42) Yeah.   great question. So I I've been in this industry now for probably coming up on 20 years at this point. I I worked at some of the prop tech and software providers that are prevalent in the space. Namely, I worked at both YARTI App Folio, which are both kind of headquartered in in Santa Barbara. and a little bit over ten years ago, I started a consultancy and accounting CPA practice that specifically focuses on   Jason Hull (01:56) Namely, I worked at both YARDIE and at Folio, which are both kind of headquartered in in Santa Barbara. a little bit over ten years ago, I started a consultancy and accounting TPA practice that specifically focuses   on prop tech and real estate. So we offer consultations with implementations, custom reporting, operationalizing around technology, which is which is now the buzz around kind of AI and automation at this point.   Mo Hussein (02:11) Prop tech and real estate. So we offer consultations with implementations, custom reporting, operationalizing around technology, which is which is now the buzz around kind of AI and automation at this point. and then   we've also built products for the space to help with automations, help with you know accounting compliance and bringing visibility and custom reporting capabilities to operators. So kind of leveraging all the experience.   Jason Hull (02:25) And then we've also built products for the space to help with automations, help with you know, accounting compliance and bringing visibility and custom reporting capabilities to operators. So kind of leveraging all the experience   Mo Hussein (02:40) from working as a consultant and also as an accountant and even working as some of these tech providers now being a actual supplier in the industry.   Jason Hull (02:41) from working as a consultant and also as an accountant and even working as some of these tech providers now being a aqua supplier in the industry. Very cool. Very cool. So you're a little bit nerdy.   Mo Hussein (02:52) A little bit. Data. I love data. Right.   Jason Hull (02:53) Okay, so am I. So am I. All right. So   cool. So let's talk nerdy to me, Mo. All right. So let's let's chat about this. So let's get into it. So t tell us about this. Wha why is this wh how'd you come up with this framework? Why is this important? I love frameworks because frameworks are usually where we take something that we notice a pattern in, there's some complexity involved, and we make it simple. So explain to us.   Mo Hussein (02:59) Yeah.   Jason Hull (03:18) Where does the measure map and automate framework kind of come from?   Mo Hussein (03:22) Right, right. And this is this kind of stems from a conversation you probably have with plenty of your your clients and even prospects when you start engaging, you know, the the the very popular question now of how do we use AI? I want to streamline and automate. And it's a very loaded, it's a very loaded, fairly ambiguous question, right? How do we use AI? We want to implement AI into our operations, right?   Jason Hull (03:23) And this is this kind of stems from a conversation you probably have with plenty of your   You know, the the the the very popular question now, how do we use AI? It's a very loaded, fairly ambiguous question, right? How do we use AI? We want to implement AI more.   Mo Hussein (03:48) when conversely, like you know, operators and property managers should be starting with a different qu set of questions, right? Like how like where are we losing things like NOI, margin, time, control, or even consistency, right? AI really only matters when it connects and automation really only matters when it connects to a to a revenue lever or some type of a cost lever or productivity gain or or risk reduction, right?   Jason Hull (03:50) Conversely, like you know, operators, property managers should be starting with a different set of questions, right? Like how like where are we losing things like NOI, margin, time, control, or even consistency, right? AI really only matters when it connects in automation really only matters when it connects to a to a revenue lever or some type of a cost lever, productivity gain or or risk reduction,   right? Yeah. there's there's a couple   Mo Hussein (04:14) and there's there's a couple of key components   Jason Hull (04:16) key components in even conversations that you've probably even had with with property managers today is that firstly like you know operators today they already have a lot of data. They probably have access to a lot of different data sets across, you know, operations, but it's probably, you know, disconnected and disjointed and different reports and disconnected systems, hidden in spreadsheets and and dashboards that probably don't drive much much action, right? and everybody wants   Mo Hussein (04:17) in even conversations that you've probably even had with with property managers today is that firstly, like, you know, operators today, they already have a lot of data. They probably have access to a lot of different data sets across, you know, operations, but it's probably, you know, disconnected and disjointed and different reports and disconnected systems hidden in spreadsheets and and dashboards that probably don't drive much much action, right? and everybody wants to   Jason Hull (04:43) to automate and execute   Mo Hussein (04:43) automate and execute an   operational kind of workflow. But the hard part is not whether, you know, AI can really do something, but the hard part is whether a company even knows where value is leaking and who owns that action and and whether these workflows are even clear enough to to be able to automate. And that's kind of the premise of this framework is to kind of measure what that pain is, you know, map that workflow, automate that repetitive work and manage   Jason Hull (04:45) an operational kind of workflow. The hard part is not whether you know AI can really do something, but the hard part is whether a a company even knows where value is leaking and who owns that action and and whether these workflows are even clear enough to to be able to automate. And that's kind of the premise of this framework is to kind of measure what that pain is, you know, map that workflow, automate that repetitive work, and   manage ideally performance through some type of closed loop accountability. We just

  4. Jul 24

    The Wisdom Behind Property Management Growth

    What if the key to building lasting wealth is to pour wisdom? In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, Jason Hull reflects on timeless lessons from the Book of Proverbs and explores how wisdom shapes every aspect of business, leadership, and personal growth. Inspired by the legacy of mentor Aaron Stokes, Jason shares why entrepreneurs who focus on learning, serving others, and making wise decisions ultimately build stronger businesses and more fulfilling lives. You'll Learn [00:00] Why Jason Started Reading Proverbs [05:02] Stop Chasing Riches, Start Pursuing Wisdom [10:12] Where Real Wisdom Comes From [17:08] Why Business Is Personal Development [23:05] Humility, Service, and Lasting Success [29:18] The Power of Learning From Others [36:04] Why Entrepreneurs Need the Right Room [42:56] Turning Wisdom Into Business Growth Quotables "If you're struggling to get riches and you're seeking riches, maybe you need to shift your attention instead to seeking wisdom." Jason Hull  "The marketplace only rewards you if you provide value." Jason Hull  "One of the greatest gifts to yourself is service." Jason Hull  "We attract who we are."  Jason Hull Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) All right, what's up, everybody?   I'm Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential, third-party, single-family, small, multi-property management entrepreneurs. Enough adjectives? All right. So for over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry.   At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now, let's get into the show. All right, so today's episode: I've been reading the book of Proverbs. Why?   Well, one of my mentors, Aaron Stokes, who I've talked about on the podcast before, who passed recently, he was a gatherer of wisdom. And so I thought, you know what? Aaron built a really amazing coaching business. He built a really amazing empire. It lives on after him. And I I I wanted to s I was thinking what what   Really made him great. Why did people want to listen to him? Why did people resonate with his message? Why did he have such a well of wisdom to be able to give to other people? And my thought was he was focused on gathering wisdom. And this is something that I've done throughout my life: is I love learning. I love studying books, I love absorbing information, I love putting frameworks together, gathering ideas.   taking all the best ideas and formulating new stuff. I love doing that. And my clients appreciate it greatly. So I've been focused, how can I really, at the core, where is the most timeless wisdom that's been gathered over decades, centuries, maybe even longer? And one of those books is the book of Proverbs. So I've started reading the book of Proverbs and that's been interesting for me.   So one of the themes that I'm noticing a lot in this is the theme of trying to get riches. And God must be using riches as a bait if this book talks this much about riches. because he wants to obviously get a message across, would be my guess. And there's a constant theme of talking about riches in this book, even though a lot of it's really talking about wisdom. And so   I've thought I've thought about this as a business owner. We want to gather wealth. We want to make money. We want and we can tell ourselves it's to do good things, right? We want to be able to take care of our family and do all these noble things. But sometimes it's like we just want a nicer car or we want a nice house or this sort of thing. And so there's always this motivation that's hardwired into man to seek wealth or to seek riches.   And we almost have to like destroy that in some way to not have it. well, money's evil, or I don't want money, or we come up with reasons to not be the person looking for money because we think, that's kind of bad, sick, and wrong to be looking for money. I really believe God wants good people to be rich. And that's really what the the book really seems to say over and over again is that for the righteous, they   They they get riches. For the generous, they get riches. For those that gather wis wisdom, they get riches. But what's interesting that I think is important, because if you want money and you want money and I don't care why you want it, if you want money and you think it's going to do something beneficial for your life, you're not going to get money, according to Proverbs, according to this timeless wisdom that's been around a long time, probably tested quite a bit, probably proven to work well.   it's it's helped a lot of people over time gather wealth. It says not to seek riches. It says not to seek it. If you seek riches, you're going to end up in a bad situation, is basically the message. But it says it talks about wisdom as a lady, as a woman. And this lady wisdom, this this woman that is wisdom, it says in her right hand.   Is long life, and in her left hand is honor and riches, riches and honor. And these are the things that Lady Wisdom brings to you if you keep wisdom by your side. And it talks about how wisdom, this feminine energy or this woman wisdom, was with God when He was creating the world, creating everything. Wisdom was by his side.   And so wisdom has existed before this world was even created, is kind of the idea. Wisdom is timeless, is the idea. Wisdom's always been there. It's foundational. It's what drives things to work and drives outcomes. Wisdom is what works in the practical real world reality. I was hanging out with my barber and I was sharing a little bit about, you know, how I've been reading and this idea of wisdom and   And every man out there, I recommend you find a barber like this. Find a the most intelligent barber you can. I just did a reel on Instagram talking about this. find the most intelligent, healthy barber that you can find because barbers.   Have people sit in their chair constantly, especially if they're a higher-end barber.   So if you're sitting there with a barber, the barber is constantly putting people into his seat and gathering ideas, gathering wisdom, gathering knowledge. And this is men opening up, revealing their trials, their problems because he's curious. He asks questions, he genuinely cares, he wants to know how they're doing. And   You know, he might have a millionaire in his chair, like I'm sitting there giving him wisdom and knowledge. And he might have somebody just, you know, from the street that wants a haircut sitting in in his in his suite. But the lessons that he's able to gather through talking to all these various men that are having real-world experience and real world problems and real issues with their marriage and relationships and their kids.   And business and life. He is able to just gather wisdom. And he has a passion, he even mentioned to me for being able to help others and to facilitate and help men. He's in a position to be able to do so because he's seen what's working and what's not working. He's heard, gotten so much anecdotal feedback from everybody of what works and what doesn't work. And this is practical, grounded real world reality. This is wisdom.   This is what we're the foundation where you find truth. This is not the intellectuals that sit in their lofty towers of intellectualism that have all of their BS ideas that theoretics and stuff they've read where they think everything could be or should be a certain way, but it's not actually connected to reality, what actually works in real life. And a lot of these intellectuals hate capitalism. A lot of these intellectuals hate.   They hate business. They hate capitalism. They don't like that the marketplace rewards what actually works. This is also why a lot of these intellectuals are probably not in super great shape. They're probably not really taking care of themselves in certain ways because they're probably physically lazy and they're focusing so much on this intellectualism that they are not focused on what works in the real world. Real world practical reality.   I notice people that I follow like that have been around for a long time, like Alex Hermozy, he has become kind of this gatherer of wisdom because he's been so focused on business. And you become wise if you do what works in business. You cannot lie, cheat, steal, be unethical, be shady, and have longevity in your business or have long life in your business.   It will be short-lived. Death creeps in very quickly into any situation where there isn't wisdom. And so if you find that you're struggling to get riches and you're seeking riches, maybe you need to shift your attention instead to seeking wisdom. And where do you find wisdom? You find it by being around others that are doing what you want to do.   Like our mastermind is full of people that are winning and succeeding. And I've been kind of the barber with lots and lots, hundreds, thousands really, of property managers sitting in my chair, having conversations to figure out what's actually working out there. I've had a lot of guinea pigs to try stuff out.   So even more than just a barber, I'm able to say, well, here's an idea. Go try this. And then when it works, I get that feedback. Now like Jason, that was awesome. That worked. I'm adding doors. This is going well. I've got a great new hire. Whatever you told me to do, this is awesome. And so I'm constantly getting feedback from some of the best, most innovative people I think on the planet, which are entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs are willin

  5. Jul 17

    Hidden Profit Leaks Every Property Manager Has

    What if the biggest obstacle to growing your property management business isn't your marketing... but who you're attracting? In this #DoorGrowShow episode, Jason Hull breaks down why traditional marketing advice is keeping property managers stuck competing for price-sensitive owners while overlooking a massive untapped market. Drawing from nearly two decades of coaching hundreds of property management entrepreneurs, he explains why warm, relationship-driven growth consistently outperforms cold digital marketing. Jason also explores the hidden operational costs of attracting the wrong clients, why communication isn't the real reason owners leave, how poor boundaries destroy profitability, and why your business should be built around trust. You'll Learn [00:00] Why Industry Surveys Miss Real Growth Opportunities [04:58] Understanding Cheapos, Normals, and Premium Buyers [10:43] The Blue Ocean Most Property Managers Ignore [16:40] Why Communication Isn't the Real Problem [22:08] Escaping the "Cycle of Suck" [28:18] Setting Better Boundaries with Owners [34:55] Why Offline Marketing Wins [42:06] Building Growth Engines Instead of Buying Leads [50:14] Hidden Profit Leaks Every Property Manager Has Quotables ​​"Where you get your leads dictates the quality of the lead and how much they're willing to spend."  Jason Hull  "They don't even want to buy property management. What they want to buy is a trusted advisor." Jason Hull  "Interruptions are the biggest thief in the property management business of profitability." Jason Hull  Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) Hey everybody, I'm Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGro, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGro, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses.   We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get to the show. Okay, so today's episode,   I'm going to share from my anecdotal experience in talking to thousands of property managers and all the feedback that I get, and all the people that are in our mastermind, what we're seeing is working. So here's what a survey can't show: a survey is basically lagging data, it's not showcasing what's   Innovating because you're not even usually asking questions about the latest innovations. So the questions inherent in this survey, my guess, are slightly flawed because they aren't asking some of the things I would ask based on all of the data and information that I get from this weird sort of fly-in-the-wall vantage point that I have in the industry.   we've always pushed this idea of three different types of buyers: cheapos, normals, and premiums.   Most cheapos self-manage. They exclude themselves from the pool of property management buyers. And then there's a small percentage that eventually go through the funnel online, and then you can capture through marketing. And these are this is what most companies base their pricing around, is based around the cheapos that they can get through internet marketing. Well, the best stuff usually comes through word of mouth or   Further out into the blue ocean. And so if you would like to see more about this, you can get my leads training by going to drgrw.com, which is doorgrow.com, or just go to doorgrow.com slash leads. So do the shortened URL or the longer URL slash leads. And you'll see our there is a clarity assessment you can do. There is a free training, and then you can book a call with our team.   And hear about some of the innovative gross strategies and stuff that we're doing with clients. So the thing to realize is that a lot of you know, it's showcasing these boomers as cheapos. And the the other thing though is it's it's saying that like 62% are represented here. And I think that the numbers of people that actually use property management is far lower than the 500 they surveyed. There's probably also a lot of people that   Aren't even aware of property management, even though they need it. There is this massive blue ocean. I think the numbers are probably more, maybe around 40-50% are self-managing versus using a property manager. And there's a lot of available potential business out there. And they're not looking on the internet. So here is some data that's not in the PM Trends report, but it's on trends.google.com. So if you go to trends.google.com.   And I just threw up an article on LinkedIn today before recording this episode. But if you go to this, go to Google Trends, backdate it to 2004 to the present, what and put in property management. And then feel free to add some other keywords like AI would be very telling, because we've seen the rise, meteoric rise lately of AI in terms of awareness and search volume. Put in real estate is another great keyword so you can kind of see.   What you'll notice is property management is such a minuscule amount of search volume, it barely registers compared to these other terms. And it spikes every summer and goes down every winter. If you remove those terms, is what you'll see. Now, in the last year, there's been a little bit of an uptick for the first time in basically two decades, which is amazing, which is awesome. That means market share is starting to maybe start to shift a little bit and grow. But there is this huge blue ocean of people that will never search the internet.   For property management. And that doesn't mean that they like doing it themselves. This survey probably isn't able to touch any of those people. And this, these are some of the people I get my clients to go after the most. Why? Because it's way cheaper. There's a huge blue ocean of people that are not looking on the internet for property management. The people that are looking on the internet are at the end of the sales cycle. These are typically the worst owners in a lot of instances.   Why? Because word of mouth captures the best stuff first and then the s****y stuff that falls off that table, the scraps that fall off the word of mouth table. Those are the people now that don't care about word of mouth or they don't care who people say is great. They think you're a commodity. They're looking for the cheapest company. And so generally there's a much higher percentage of cheapos that you're going to attract by doing digital or internet-based marketing.   YouTube. The challenge is there's a large percentage of owners that are not looking or searching for property management. They're not looking for property management stuff on YouTube. They're not looking for property management stuff on Google. They're not looking at all. They don't care about property management. Most people   That are even property managers are not usually consuming content around property management. Not very often. A lot of them self-identify as more of a real estate brokerage or real estate agent or anything else that they think is cooler. I even had a client I was coaching recently, and he said that he's really had this mental block, this mental block about wanting to tell people that he's a property manager. And I said, Don't tell people that you're a property manager.   Property managers in your market, he was in New York, are basically somebody that sits in a big building that, you know, they they help do leasing. That's kind of people's perception. You are an asset portfolio manager. You are an investment specialist. There's so many other ways you can present yourself. You are the entrepreneur that hires the property manager. I don't want my clients to identify as property managers. I want them to identify as an entrepreneur because identity limits growth.   the second thing that filters, which is perception. There's a really negative perception about property managers among real estate agents, among investors that are aware that most property managers, if I have you in a room and I say by show of hands, how many of you started your business? Because all of the other property managers in your market sucked. Usually almost everybody's hands go up. And then my joke usually is, but not yours, right?   And then they all laugh. So, but nobody wakes up in the morning wanting to start a crappy company.   So you could waste a massive amount of time trying to do a bunch of social media marketing, a bunch of YouTube videos, a bunch of content creation. And it's not generally going to get you the best clients because where you get your leads dictates the quality of the lead and how much they're willing to spend. And what we find is the clients you can connect with offline through warm lead strategies.   through direct outreach, through creating relationships, through networking, and some of the growth engine strategies we teach at DoorGrow, the conversion rate is way higher. The leads are way warmer, and which means the close rate's gonna be way higher. The trust levels higher, so you're able to get more deals on more easily. And it doesn't cost you anything. It costs you time, but it doesn't cost you any marketing or advertising dollars. And the and a lot of people like, well, I'd rather spend money and save time.   It these leads, warmer leads, take less time. They take less time in the sales cycle to convert. Cold leads take way more time because now you're a commodity and you're competing with all the other companies and now you're in this weird race to the bottom and you've attracted cheapos. Here's the other thing you won't see in this report. The other thing, it does not mention the o

  6. Jul 15

    The SPRUCTIS Framework for Business Growth

    In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, Jason Hull sits down with entrepreneur, author, and business strategist Leigh Angman to explore the principles behind building sustainable, profitable businesses. Leigh introduces the SPRUCTIS framework, a system focused on profitability, systems, communication, technology, integrity, and sales. Jason and Leigh discuss why so many business owners operate without knowing their true financial health, the importance of surrounding yourself with people who elevate your business, and how documenting processes protects long-term growth. They also dive into the mindset behind entrepreneurial success, including the power of "delusional optimism," making decisions through the Pleasure Utility Determinant (PUD), and why success often comes down to consistently making slightly more right decisions than wrong ones. You'll Learn [00:00] Introduction to Leigh Angman and the SPRUCTIS Framework [01:29] Leigh's First Entrepreneurial Lesson at Six Years Old [05:07] Why Every Business Owner Should Know Their Profitability [06:22]] Breaking Down the SPRUCTIS Business Framework [15:02 Delusional Optimism and Thinking Beyond Realistic Goals [21:13] The Pleasure Utility Determinant (PUD) Explained [24:13] Better Decision-Making Through Value and Mindset  Quotables "You cannot make intelligent decisions about your business if you don't know what your financial health is." — Leigh Angman " "The only way that I've been able to find success... is to surround myself with people that are smarter than I am." — Leigh Angman ""If you think you can or you cannot, you're absolutely correct." — Leigh Angman Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) All right, I'm Jason Hull, the owner and founder of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses.   We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. In today's episode, here on the DoorGrow Show, we have Lee Angman, serial entrepreneur, business strategist, author of Spruptus from Insight to Action with over 20 years of experience founding and scaling companies across hospitality, tech, and real estate.   Lee is going to be sharing his practical framework for small to medium-sized business success. And we're going to talk dive into a bunch of topics like mindset, delusional optimism, and the pleasure utility determinant PUD for redef redefining success and the best free technology tools entrepreneurs can leverage to scale smarter. Lee, welcome to the DoorGrow Show.   Leigh Angman (01:12) Thank you so much, Jason. ⁓ it's a pleasure to be here.   Jason Hull (01:15) Great, so where I'd love to start is why don't we dig into your background? I want people to get a feel for who you are and how you sort of arrived where you are right now in life in your entrepreneurial journey. How did your entrepreneurial journey sort of start?   Leigh Angman (01:29) ⁓ I I like to talk about the first taste of entrepreneurialism that I got. I was six years old and I was at a a rodeo in the the north of British Columbia, province of British Columbia. I'm Canadian up here. And I was sitting with my family and watching this is this was, you know, 40 something years ago, ⁓ and watching rodeo events. And my father just kind of leaned over to me and he said,   Hey, take a look around, what do you see? And I saw, of course, a bunch of ⁓ recyclable bottles that the friendly patrons of this rodeo had been consuming during the day. And he said, you know, if you round those up, because they're just at people's feet and you take them back to the point of purchase, they'll give you you know, for X number of bottles that you out, they'll they'll give you a quarter. And I said, You kidding me? He said, No, go ahead. So I started and I excuse me, could I could I get that? Could I get that? Remember, I was only six years old at the time.   So it was very interesting. And I, and I certainly recall thinking about that beautiful sunny day many times, you know, 12, 15 years later when I was working at a at a   you know, a fast food restaurant or a gas station. It was in those days, no matter how hard I worked, I got paid the same. And I much, much preferred that original story of being back and being able to work harder or work smarter. and it and it took several years after working in in restaurants to get into the entrepreneur world. But it's been over 25 years now since I have have been kind of owning and operating businesses. And   Jason Hull (02:36) Yeah.   Leigh Angman (02:59) I like to say that the the worst possible definition of hell that I can imagine is being at a desk on Monday morning at nine o'clock simply because Mr. Johnson tells me that I have to be there.   Jason Hull (03:09) Alright, well let's see if we can all win against Mr. Johnson. So all right, so ⁓ cool. Well let's let's get into the topic topics at hand. where should we start? ⁓ y we could start with the spructus or we could start with ⁓ you know, some of your mindset things, what w we   Leigh Angman (03:26) Sure. They all they   all flow from the book. I took two years and launched last November, two years to write a book. I found myself ⁓ evolving processes that have been applied to various businesses that I have owned and operated, been a part of. and most recently we I I've owned I've owned restaurants and pubs in Vancouver for twenty-three years now, give or take. and   What I like to say, and when I'm speaking to other entrepreneurs and business owners about this, is do you know what your profitability is every two weeks? And if they say yes, then there's not much I could do to help them. But there's you'd be surprised how many entrepreneurs that operate small to medium businesses, and I define that as something that does up to about $15 million in annual revenue. you'd be surprised how many of those people don't know what their profitability is.   Until you know a couple of weeks after their chartered accountant delivers them their financials at the end of the year. And it's a terribly frightening concept for me to absorb that you cannot make intelligent decisions about your business if you don't know what your financial health is. So Spructus, which is the name of the book that I wrote, which stands for systems, processes, redundancy, urgency, communication, technology, integrity, and sales.   Is really a framework that covers a lot of those things that are defined by the individual letters of the word. But but one of the very most important parts of it in there, it clearly defines   a framework   that has been refined over the last 15 or 20 years that allows us complete insight into the business.   ⁓ we know what our profitability is to the penny every eight to fourteen days. And if there's anything that someone takes from that book, it's a very clear roadmap to exactly how to do that with any kind of a ⁓ you know, a self-owned business. So that's the core foundation for the book.   Jason Hull (05:07) Mm-hmm.   Yeah.   You know, I love I love the idea of focusing on profit. I've had Mike McAllowicz on the show and he has booked Profit First. So I don't know if you have any way to connect this to that in any way, positively or negatively, if how you feel about that. But I know that just even a business setting aside a certain amount for profit so that they actually have some profit is a great s like really large baby step that they need to take. So   Leigh Angman (05:27) Okay. Yeah.   Yeah,   absolutely. I I think and one of the things I say to my partners all the time when I deliver them news about you know where we where you sit financially, there's you you don't turn a profit every single period or every single month. We operate on four week periods for various reasons, but just knowing where you are, even if you're in a loss, it's just knowing that that position in which you sit.   that allows you to make those intelligent decisions about how to support the growth and sustaining of your business.   Jason Hull (06:16) Got it. Yeah. Love it. Alright, so ⁓ should we go through the framework? Or   Leigh Angman (06:22) Yeah, quickly I'll go through them. redundancy is not in the way that that people are made redundant and made irrelevant, but it's all always about not siloing your brilliance and being able to ensure that there's not one really smart person in the business that only knows how to do a particular amount of things ⁓ that that nobody else knows. So if they are lost for any particular reason, the business is in in dire need of ⁓   Jason Hull (06:41) Yeah.   Leigh Angman (06:49) Or in in big trouble. one sidebar on that is, you know, I I always say the only way that I've been able to find success in the last 25 years of owning and operating businesses is to surround myself with people that are smarter than I am. and it's not difficult to do. ⁓ but you know, really, I am not aware of any entrepreneur, and maybe AI is changing this, but to date, I'm not aware of any entrepreneur that has created a massively successful business exclusively on their own. So   Jason Hull (07:15) Yeah.   Leigh Angman (07:15) That   idea that there's some very smart people in your business is critical for its success so that they can do things that you're not talented at. Obviously, each person in that equation has

  7. Jun 25

    Property Management Transformation Starts In The Room

    In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, property management growth experts Jason Hull and Sarah Hull discuss why they're reinventing DoorGrow Live and moving away from the traditional "sit and take notes" conference model toward a more immersive, action-oriented experience built for real business transformation. They dive into the problem with most industry events: property managers leave inspired but overwhelmed by pages of ideas they never implement, and explain why execution, in-person collaboration, and human connection are becoming more valuable than ever in today's AI-driven world. Jason and Sarah also unpack the growing impact of AI on business, why human relationships are quickly becoming the true competitive advantage, and how surrounding yourself with growth-minded operators can completely change the trajectory of your property management company. Instead of just learning new strategies, attendees at DoorGrow Live will work directly on their businesses, connect with innovative operators, and leave with momentum, clarity, and real progress already in motion.   You'll Learn [00:01] Introduction to DoorGrow Live [03:10] Why Conferences Often Fail [08:00] AI, Human Connection, and Growth [14:20] Why In-Person Transformation Matters [22:10] What Makes DoorGrow Live Different [31:00] Building Real Relationships in Property Management Quotables "Transformation happens in person, not by watching videos in some sort of platform or going to YouTube." "Your business is gonna be the sum of the five business owners that you are the most connected with, not the sum of the five AI tools that you use the most." "You've got to be around people that are real, that are doing real things in the real world, getting real results." Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:01) All right, hello everybody, I'm Jason Hull. This is Sarah Hull, the owners of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies. For 17 years plus, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners   and their businesses. want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. Now let's get into the show. All right, Sarah, what are we chatting about today? We're going to talk about Door Grove Live. That is coming up. So go in and change it right now because this is at least the fourth podcast episode in a row that you've done.   with that and I said go in and change it and then you don't and then you read it again the next time. Yeah I don't think the appropriate time to fix your script is during the show. I know. I doubt they want to hang out while I'm making changing the script. think it She hates the phrase decade and a half. think that sounds like a long time but she likes 17 years. She's very particular. It sounds better than decade and a half. like, okay, I don't know. It's ambiguous. There you go. It's   All right, tell them about Dorgor Live. Let's talk about Dorgor Live. So we've got our ⁓ annual, we usually do this as a conference and this year we're making it less conferencey and more workshopy.   Conferency workshoppy Conferency workshoppy so the reason the reason is a lot of times when people go to a conference and we're included in this We'll get to a conference You know, you're listening to the speakers. You're sitting in on the sessions. You're networking with people You're getting a whole bunch of different ideas and a lot of times what we hear From so many people who attend is why I've had so many ideas, you know, I have 32 pages of notes   Well, that's great. How does that translate though? So what you just did is you got 32 pages of notes, all these great ideas, so much great content, and you gave yourself this never ending to-do list. And then you get back to reality, back home, back in your business, and then you go, wow, I have no idea when I'm going to do any of these things. I just don't know. They're all great ideas. I should do them. And also, that's a lot of time.   because there's so many ideas. have 32 pages of notes. That's a ridiculous amount of things to do. So what we decided to do is, all right, what if we just made it so that people can be in the room and take action right then and there? So that by the time you leave the conference, so you'll spend two days at the event, by the time you leave this two-day event, you will already have taken action on things.   So instead of going to a conference and getting a really long to-do list that you may or may not ever implement, you can go, you can be in the room, you can work through things right there with the leaders of the workshops. So what if I can work on my business in the room alongside my peers who are   you know, in the same industry and in the same sector as I am. So that's what we've decided to do this year is make sure that you guys walk away with.   not only a plan, you will of course get a plan, you will get a lot of great ideas, will get, you know, you'll still get a bunch of notes, you're still gonna get all of that. However, you'll be able to walk away saying, hey, at this event, you know, here was what my business was before and I spent two days working on the business and now here are things that are already different because I came to this event. So that was our thought.   And that's what we're going to do for you guys this year. So we already have some of these workshops in mind, how we're going to structure them, who's going to lead them. We've got some really good ones in store for you. ⁓ And some of the sponsors are going to be leading some of these workshops as well so that they can again do the same thing, get you to take action right then and there so that you can walk out of that room with a different business than it was when you walked in. Cool.   And what's the focus? On which workshop? Well, the sponsors with everything else. think there's definitely an AI forward focus that's definitely been very hot. It's definitely the case with the vendors that we have sponsoring. We've got some awesome sponsors already for this event. they're going to be showcasing. We're always showcasing the best tools. And Dorgalive.   And so a lot of our clients are the innovators in the industry that are getting on board with the best tools. ⁓ I hear about every new property management tool, system, software, five-coated piece of garbage, like you name it. Everybody's reaching out telling me, hey, I've got this thing. I want to give it to your audience. So we hear about all this stuff and we bring the best stuff to Door to Live. And ⁓ we also just because we're connected to   hundreds of property management companies, and we're always getting feedback, and we've got 3,000 in our Facebook group, and we're always hearing what's hot in the market, in the industry right now that people are having good results with, and our clients are like a whole bunch of guinea pigs trying stuff out all the time. I think we've got some tech forward kind of movers and shakers in the space, so.   So there's that. And like Sarah was saying, a lot of you, you go to an event, you go to a conference, and you get this massive to-do list or a list of ideas. And then you come back to your team and you pull out your idea grenade of all your stuff and you pull the pin on it with your teeth and you throw it into the middle of the room, say, we're doing all this. And your team are like, great, I don't like you anymore. And I'm not excited about this. And I already have enough work. Thank you, jerk. And now I have even more. And they're not excited about this because you're not.   You're not rolling this stuff out in the right way. And so we're gonna help you walk away with action. The other thing is this in-person is gonna become more and more important. Human connection is gonna become more and more important. So at our events, we're shifting our focus to more and more connection and less and less preach, less and less just somebody talking at you and you writing down ideas.   We're getting you connected with others. You're creating relationships. These relationships can change your life. And we attract really great people at DoorGrow. Our clients are awesome. And so if you want to be in the room, that's where transformation happens is in the room, not on Zoom. Transformation happens in person, not by watching videos in some sort of platform or going to YouTube.   Transformation also doesn't happen just by talking to AI endlessly. AI can only take you so far. how many of you I'm sure listening have been down the rabbit hole I have where you just go deep into the dark hole of AI and you're talking forever and you're like, man, I have all these great ideas and now I'm implementing all this cool stuff. then like two months later, you walk out of that hole and you're like, hey, I'm not any farther ahead.   I've just been having lots of conversation with something that isn't even real, right? You've got to be around people that are real, that are doing real things in the real world, getting real results. And do they use AI? Yes. But you're going to collapse time significantly. You can't just be talking to AI because AI is manipulative. AI will give you, make you sound like you're amazing and make you think you're amazing. And everybody else's stuff sounds like it's amazing too.   The only stuff you know is real, like you might have this really amazing ⁓ SEO report from some sort of AI coaching thing for property managers. And it could be com

  8. Jun 18

    Property Management Beyond AI Slop

    In this episode of the #DoorGrowShow, property management growth experts Jason Hull and Sarah Hull discuss how AI is rapidly changing business, marketing, and communication, along with the growing problem of "AI slop" and why authentic human connection is becoming more valuable than ever. They break down the secondary effects of AI, why in-person relationships and masterminds are becoming a competitive advantage, and how property management business owners can stand out in a world flooded with automated content, fake interactions, and digital overload. You'll Learn [00:00] The Rise of AI Slop [06:20] Why Human Connection Still Matters [12:10] The COVID Parallel and Isolation [20:00] Why In-Person Transformation Works [31:30] AI, Trust, and Real Relationships [43:40] The Future of Property Management Growth Quotables "The secret to creating a scalable business is to do the unscalable actions." "Transformation happens in the room, not on Zoom." "If you can make it easily, so can anybody else." Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive Transcript Jason Hull (00:00) we live in a world of the next stage I'm calling AI Slop. AI Slop, we're in the world of AI Sloppy Sloppiness. I just got a letter, no offense, NARPM, but I got a letter from y'all You wrote this using ChatGPT.   This is the problem with Narpum 2.0. We're not just talking about the future of our association, We're actively building it. it's not A, it's B, dead giveaway. And there's lots of other dead giveaways. And some of you are starting to hear this AI voice and you're starting to recognize this AI voice. And so we're now in the world of ASLOP where nobody is writing anything.   All right, hello everybody. I'm Jason Hull. This is Sarah Hull, the owners of DoorGrow, the world's leading and most comprehensive coaching and consulting firm for long-term residential property management entrepreneurs. For over a decade and a half, we have brought innovative strategies and optimization to the property management industry. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the BS, build awareness, change perception, expand the market,   and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. All right, now let's get into the show. All right, so in today's episode, we're gonna be chatting. Just change that right now, because every week I tell you, stop saying a decade and a half. So just go ahead and change it right now. Okay, for, she doesn't like that I say a decade It drives me For 17 years. For over 17 years, yeah. That's how long it's been.   for over years. I'm like decade, decade sounds like a long time, but all right, we're changing it. Cause the life wants to change. 17 years space week. There we go. right. Updated real time. Yeah. Done. That's how we get stuff done. Okay, cool. What are we talking about today, Sarah? talk about how AI is starting to change things. Okay. Let's do it. All right, so.   One of the things we've been talking a lot about is the secondary effects of AI, because everybody's talking about AI. And I think we started in phase one was the AI revolution. Everybody's starting to use chat GPT. Now people are starting to use Clod for business and people are learning prompting. now people starting, some of you are starting to vibe code. And some of you are making videos. Some of you started making images with AI and   Now we live in a world of the next stage I'm calling AI Slop. AI Slop, we're in the world of AI Sloppy Sloppiness. I just got a letter, no offense, NARPOM, but I got a letter from y'all and I can tell you wrote this. You wrote this using ChatGPT. It's like, I mean, the big giveaway phrases and some of you have heard stuff like this. It's like, and we love NARPOM. Thanks for NARPOM for sending us a letter, but.   This is the problem with Narpum 2.0. We're not just talking about the future of our association, M-Dash. We're actively building it. So with blank, it's not A, it's B, dead giveaway. And there's lots of other dead giveaways. And some of you are starting to hear this AI voice and you're starting to recognize this AI voice. And so we're now in the world of ASLOP where nobody is writing anything.   And the people that do write original content, like I've done a couple of Facebook posts just recently, totally handwritten, I wrote the whole thing. And I really enjoy writing. The challenge is, is some people don't recognize how to get their voice into AI. And so anyway, we've got this whole world of AI slop now. Anything can be created by anyone instantly. You can create images, video, text, and so...   You've probably heard me talk about fake internet theory. Have you ever heard of this idea? I have, but just for anyone who hasn't. So the fake internet theory has been around probably since the, you know, once the internet went mainstream. And the fake internet theory is this idea that the majority, at least half in the past, of all the content, all of the traffic that was on the internet, was bots.   It could be like Google crawling sites. It could be a lot of different things, but at least half of all the traffic was bots. Well now with AI, this is even worse. Perplexity is doing research. All these different AI tools are doing research. People are not crawling stuff or crawling websites a lot of times. They're just talking to AI and AI is doing all this. And so the internet now, all the content isn't even, if even this letter probably was not written.   by D.D. Garzone, the Narfim president, 2026. It was probably written by AI, which saved her time. And it's not a bad letter. The challenge is people read this, see this, and we're starting to recognize what's AI and what's not. And we're kind of developing, there's kind of this feel, this voice that you're like, oh, that's AI. And so what am I doing? I just discount stuff. I read and go, oh, AI wrote this. I probably don't even need to read the rest.   So we just skim stuff, we stop reading things. And so this is the challenge is that people want reality, people want humanity. And so the secondary effect, we're in phase two, AI slot, phase three, I believe, is going to be a return to in-person. It's gonna be human interaction. The secondary effect of AI is that human interaction is going to be significantly more important.   And this is where things are going to be shifting to in-person. Things are going to be shifting away from digital marketing. Things are going to be shifting away from anything that you can tell AI to do quickly and easily. And I've always said to our clients, the secret ingredient to scaling your business is depth. The secret to creating a scalable business is to do the unscalable actions. That's depth. And so we're going to talk about today the importance of in-person.   Yeah. So do you guys remember in COVID when everything shut down? Yeah, good And then you couldn't leave your house? Yeah, was great. Yeah, because you might die. So that was great for a little bit, right? Everyone was like, we don't have to go to the office. I don't have to go to work. This is like, would just hang out in my house in my pajamas all day and eat some chips. And like, no, I don't know. It'll be amazing.   And that was a really fun thing. What voice is this? What is this voice? I don't know. Who speaks like this? I'm just letting you know it's not me. I'm gonna be lazy. I'm gonna do my pajamas. Today I got some pajamas on. Are they southern? Now they are. You don't know. They're all over the place. I can't do it in New York. Anyway, so it was a really fun time for like   I don't know, two weeks. The first week was awesome. It was like when you have a substitute teacher and then they put on a movie and you go, this is great. We don't have to do anything today. This is amazing. This is gonna be so cool. And the first week- thought it was awesome. I think for the first, yeah, I think a lot of people really thought it was really great for the first week because they were like, oh, this is great. Like we don't have to go into the office. I a lot of workers, think employers, business owners were freaking out. Yes, exactly. Business owners were-   Although they liked, let's be honest for a second, property managers were real happy about getting a vacation. And it was a vacation that you were forced to take. Right? You couldn't go and do things you normally do. And if you decided to not do showings or decided to not go to the office or decided to, know, like, hey guys, we're all going to work from home. No one was going to fault you. It was going to be totally fine because everybody else was doing it. So it would have been totally fine if you were like, hey, we're not doing.   Showings or hey, you know, we're gonna slow down on inspections or you know, hey, we're you know, we're not gonna come into the office We're all gonna, you know stay from home and then at some point we'll go back to the office for a little bit I think people welcomed that they were like, oh, this is great. This is fun And that maybe lasted a week maybe two maybe even three weeks for some people and then after that they were like what? When can I leave? I what do you mean? Like I'm stuck in my house. I'm I can't   get out, can't go anywhere. When my kids are here, they were all stuck together and no one knows what to do and we're all bored out of our minds and they were starving for human interaction. everything, Zoom, look at the Zoom stock in 2020, skyrocketed because everything moved to remote. Everything moved to Zoom. It was like.   we can't meet in person, but we still kind of have to do things. How do we do it? We are going to do Zoom. And then even remember when a lot of like commercial real estate, it it tanked because people were like, we can't go

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