The Good Citizen Podcast

Joshua Hershberger: Attorney | Minister | Speaker

Equipping Christians to confidently and effectively engage in public life. Hosted by attorney, minister, and speaker Josh Hershberger, the Good Citizen Podcast focuses on the ideas, encouragement, and practical examples you need to impact and even transform your zip code, state, and nation.

  1. 29m ago

    #444 Our Net Has Holes In It: A Critique of the American Safety Net and a Vision for Transforming It with Clarence H. Carter

    What if we redesigned America’s safety net to help people truly flourish–and not just track the delivery of benefits? In this episode, Clarence H. Carter, the current Commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Human Services and a public servant with 30 years of experience, including roles under four Governors, two Presidents, and a Mayor, joins me to explore the challenges facing our current system and the vision behind Tennessee’s Human Flourishing Initiative. Using the Winchester Mystery House as an analogy, Carter explains how a system built over decades can become complicated, fragmented, and focused on measuring outputs rather than human outcomes. We discuss the “no wrong door” approach, why county-level leadership and trusted community partners matter, and how government can move from transactions to transformational relationships in collaboration with churches and nonprofits. Commissioner Carter also explains how churches can rethink benevolence, how AI could help government workers become people-helpers rather than clerks, and what it would look like for church (as a movement of believers) to play a greater role in helping individuals and communities move from dependency to flourishing. Clarence H. Carter is Commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Human Services, appointed by Governor Bill Lee in January 2021 to lead the state’s second-largest agency, which serves all 95 counties on a roughly $2.3 billion budget with a staff of nearly 4,000. Before Tennessee, he directed Arizona’s Department of Economic Security and Virginia’s Department of Social Services, led the District of Columbia’s Department of Human Services (where he oversaw a shift from a shelter-based homeless system toward permanent housing outcomes), and held senior federal posts at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, including Director of the Office of Family Assistance and Acting Director of the Office of Community Services, where he administered seven federal programs including the $16.5 billion TANF program. In 2015 he founded the Institute for the Improvement of the Human Condition, working with safety net agencies on emergency response for vulnerable populations, and he has carried that career-long focus on reforming the social safety net into both his current role and his book, Our Safety Net Has Holes. Key Takeaways: Why Clarence Carter entered public service The Winchester Mystery House and the problems with our modern safety net The difference between measuring government outputs and measuring human impact Tennessee’s Human Flourishing Initiative The “no wrong door” approach to serving people Why county-level leadership matters How government can build authentic partnerships with churches Moving from transactional charity to transformational relationships Practical encouragement for churches and nonprofits engaging in benevolence How AI can help government workers focus on people rather than paperwork Click Here to Watch on YouTube The post #444 Our Net Has Holes In It: A Critique of the American Safety Net and a Vision for Transforming It with Clarence H. Carter first appeared on The Good Citizen Project.

  2. Sep 29

    #443 Esther 8

    How should Christians respond when given an opportunity to direct government authority to counter injustice and protect the innocent? Esther 8 provides a powerful answer. In this chapter, Haman is off the scene; but his genocidal plan remains in effect due to a Persian custom of irreversible royal decrees. Mordecai and Esther are faced with the difficult task of honoring the king but also thwarting the impact of the death decree. And their actions lead to a dramatic reversal and God’s glory. Esther’s story reminds us that God often places His people in positions of influence for a purpose. When He does, faithfulness requires humility, wisdom, and a willingness to act. Series overview: Once upon a time—and I mean in God’s perfect time—a Jewish orphan girl named Esther became a Persian Queen. But, as many of you know, this book is less fairy tale and much more mystery—a book full of lessons about the mysteries of divine calling, evil and justice, finding courage to stand for truth, and understanding God’s eternal purposes in history and in our story. Though her husband claimed the title “king of kings,” Esther’s ultimate allegiance lay elsewhere—to the high King of the universe. In that sense, here’s the story and the lessons we should learn from Esther: the King’s Queen. Outline: A Royal Plea A Dumb Decree An Early Celebration Key Takeaways: Steward your authority for the good of others.  Persistence is required. Good government blesses our neighbors and points to the King. Lighten Up! Click Here to Watch on YouTube The post #443 Esther 8 first appeared on The Good Citizen Project.

  3. Sep 22

    #442 The American Story and the Importance of Understanding and Defending It with Dr. Matthew Spalding

    American history–or how we tell the American story–is critical to our future, and we should fully understand that past so we can explain and defend it. In this episode, Dr. Matthew Spalding joins me to discuss his newest book The Making of the American Mind: The Story of Our Declaration of Independence as well as the 1776 Commission, America250, and his recent testimony before Congress concerning the Smithsonian’s efforts to reshape the past. Here’s our discussion about the American founding and why remembering our history matters for the future of the American experiment. Matthew Spalding is the Kirby Professor in Constitutional Government and Dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College and oversees the Allan P. Kirby, Jr. Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship at Hillsdale’s Washington, D.C. campus. His new book, The Making of the American Mind: The Story of Our Declaration of Independence, was released in December 2025. Spalding is also the best-selling author of We Still Hold These Truths: Rediscovering Our Principles, Reclaiming Our Future and the original executive editor of The Heritage Guide to the Constitution, the first line-by-line analysis of each clause of the U.S. Constitution. Appointed executive director of the President’s Advisory 1776 Commission, which produced The 1776 Report, he is currently a senior academic advisor for America250 projects. Prior to joining Hillsdale, Spalding was vice president for American Studies at The Heritage Foundation and founding director of its B. Kenneth Simon Center for Principles and Politics. He is a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy and serves on the boards of The Steamboat Institute, Faith & Law, the James Wilson Institute, and New College of Florida. He received his BA from Claremont McKenna College and his MA and PhD from the Claremont Graduate School. Links:The Making of the American Mind: The Story of Our Declaration of Independence The 1776 Report Click Here to Watch on YouTube The post #442 The American Story and the Importance of Understanding and Defending It with Dr. Matthew Spalding first appeared on The Good Citizen Project.

  4. Sep 15

    #441 The Wrong Glasses: How Borrowed Money and Borrowed Ideas Are Bankrupting American Freedom and How a Biblical Worldview Restores It with Tom Newell

    Our national debt–which recently crossed the $40 trillion threshold–is a critical issue that must be addressed to preserve our future. In this episode based on his new book, Tom Newell (pastor, former state legislator, and current Chief of State for the Oklahoma Department of Education) explains that America’s addiction to borrowed money and borrowed ideas isn’t primarily a math problem. It is a discipleship problem — the result of ideas about money, freedom, and the proper role of government that were never grounded in Scripture or the American founding. Drawing on the biblical framework of sphere sovereignty, the moral philosophy of Adam Smith and Frédéric Bastiat, and a sharp contrast with the ideas of Keynes and Marx, he traces how dependency — financial, governmental, and spiritual — has replaced the stewardship and self-government that built American freedom. And he explains how and why we must recommit to these ideas and prioritize financial stewardship in our homes, churches, states, and country. [Description partially developed from book description]. Tom Newell has pastored churches in Oklahoma, Missouri, and Pennsylvania for twenty-five years, serving his denomination at both the state and national level. He has also taught business and economics as adjunct faculty at Seminole State College — a combination that turns up throughout this book, where theology and economics are never treated as separate conversations. In 2010, Tom was elected to represent Oklahoma’s 28th district in the state legislature. He served on the Speaker’s leadership team, chaired several high-profile committees, and was named an “Emerging Leader” by the National Conference of State Legislatures. After leaving the legislature, Tom served as a senior fellow and government affairs director for a national free-market think tank. He went on to serve as CEO of SALLT, a Christian organization that trains leaders to leverage their influence for the good of their community, and then as Vice President of Government Affairs for yes. every kid. He has since served as chief of staff to two statewide elected officials — the Governor of Oklahoma, and currently the State Superintendent of Public Instruction. Link to The Wrong Glasses Follow Tom on LinkedIn. Click Here To Watch On YouTube The post #441 The Wrong Glasses: How Borrowed Money and Borrowed Ideas Are Bankrupting American Freedom and How a Biblical Worldview Restores It with Tom Newell first appeared on The Good Citizen Project.

  5. Sep 8

    #440 Esther 7

    Esther is often remembered for her courageous entrance into the Persian throne room as she hazarded death to save her people form genocide. But that is not the most remarkable (in my opinion) moment in the book. In Esther 7, Esther finally and boldly confronts Haman–the master manipulator who bears the king’s authority–and her erratic, egotistical husband-king who signed her death warrant and that of her people. In this chapter, we study the critical second banquet and learn about the importance of courage tempered by wisdom; patience and trust; and how God often uses dramatic reversals to judge evil and protect His people. Series overview: Once upon a time—and I mean in God’s perfect time—a Jewish orphan girl named Esther became a Persian Queen. But, as many of you know, this book is less fairy tale and much more mystery—a book full of lessons about the mysteries of divine calling, evil and justice, finding courage to stand for truth, and understanding God’s eternal purposes in history and in our story. Though her husband claimed the title “king of kings,” Esther’s ultimate allegiance lay elsewhere—to the high King of the universe. In that sense, here’s the story and the lessons we should learn from Esther: the King’s Queen. Outline: Calculated Courage The King’s Wrath Haman is Hanged Key Takeaways: Calculate your courage. Expect great reversals. The tale of two hangings. God is our just judge. Click Here to Watch on YouTube The post #440 Esther 7 first appeared on The Good Citizen Project.

  6. Aug 25

    #438 Securing AI for the Good of Humanity with Randan Steinhauser

    The advanced AI revolution is here; and much of the national conversation is focused on breakthroughs in productivity, national security, and healthcare. But what happens if AI becomes powerful enough to reshape government surveillance, human relationships, and even our understanding of human purpose? In this conversation, Randan Steinhauser from The Alliance for Secure AI. explains how we can secure AI for the good of humanity—and ensure that this transformative technology serves human flourishing rather than undermining it. In the episode, we cover topics such as the geopolitical implications of AI, the dangers of domestic surveillance and concentrated technological power, how AI may reshape our relationships with one another, and why questions about human dignity and purpose must remain at the center of the conversation. Here’s the latest on securing AI for the good of humanity as AI rapidly changes and changes the world. Randan Steinhauser is the Founding Partner of Steinhauser Strategies, which she launched in 2013 after relocating to Austin from Washington, D.C. Randan specializes in issue advocacy, non-profit, and corporate communications. Randan’s career began in the Governor’s Office in South Carolina. In 2009 she joined the staff for U.S. Senator Jim DeMint in Washington, D.C. and later transitioned into the non-profit world working in foreign policy and education reform for former U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos. She has worked in more than 30 states on issue advocacy and political campaigns. Randan assists clients with media relations, coalition development, strategic communications, and government affairs. Originally from South Carolina, Randan is a graduate of The University of South Carolina. She attended The Women’s Campaign School at Yale University and earned her Master’s in Communication from Johns Hopkins University. She is the proud mother of five including a set of identical twins. Key Links: X: Randan Marie Steinhauser Alliance for Secure AI Click Here to Watch on YouTube The post #438 Securing AI for the Good of Humanity with Randan Steinhauser first appeared on The Good Citizen Project.

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Equipping Christians to confidently and effectively engage in public life. Hosted by attorney, minister, and speaker Josh Hershberger, the Good Citizen Podcast focuses on the ideas, encouragement, and practical examples you need to impact and even transform your zip code, state, and nation.

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