The Health Leader Podcast

The Health Leader co.

Exploring the Hands, Head and Heart of Massage and Manual Therapy In this podcast you'll hear stories from successful massage and complementary health professionals that have been there before you... with great conversations and a bunch of free tips and tactics so you can grow a practice you love!

  1. Jul 17

    Ep 142 The Nervous System & Chronic Pain with Kylie Hicks

    Ep 142 | The Nervous System & Chronic Pain with Kylie Hicks What if the missing piece in chronic pain wasn't another technique, but understanding the nervous system? In this episode, we sit down with remedial massage therapist and chronic pain Specialist Kylie Hicks, whose work is changing the way therapists think about pain. Kylie has spent more than 20 years helping people who have often been told there's nothing more that can be done. Together we talk about why so many people with chronic pain feel unseen, unheard, and misunderstood, and how understanding the nervous system can completely change the treatment experience. In this episode we discuss: • Why chronic pain is about so much more than tissue • How to recognise the nervous system patterns behind pain • The language Kylie listens for in every first consultation • Why helping clients feel truly seen is often the beginning of healing • How changing pain can change long-held beliefs about a diagnosis • The importance of therapist presence, rapport, and creating safety • Why rebooking is part of the treatment plan, not just good business Kylie also shares the case study that earned her the Massage & Myotherapy Australia Case Study Award where she shared how one client went from years of pain and the prospect of another surgery to living pain-free and traveleing the world. Whether you're a massage therapist, bodyworker, or simply fascinated by the connection between the nervous system and chronic pain, this episode will challenge the way you think about recovery and remind you of the incredible impact we can have as practitioners. Enjoy the conversation. To find out more about Kylie Hicks: https://www.kyliehickscoaching.com/course/the-chronic-pain-mapping-method To listen to Di's Story: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Ef2aoGgkJ/

    Ep 142 The Nervous System & Chronic Pain with Kylie Hicks
  2. Jun 19

    Ep 141 Get the most from every workshop: the secret practice proven to triple your learning outcomes

    From Workshop to Clinic: Practical Strategies to Implement What You Learn On the Health Leader Podcast, hosts Elicia, James, and Christine reflect after the Massage & Myotherapy Conference and discuss how to turn workshop learning into real clinical results. Christine shares her high-volume training experience (about 33 workshops in three years plus advanced TMJ study in the UK) and her implementation system: pre-booking relevant clients to practise on immediately after training, reviewing manuals each night, creating mind maps with key takeaways and questions, using shorthand notes with memorable nicknames (e.g., "pizza slice muscle" for glute minimus), and posting prompts on the wall for practice until skills become muscle memory. They also explain how their workshops use grounding and nervous system regulation, reflection activities, multi-style teaching (visual, auditory, kinesthetic, analytical), scripted repetition, and real public models with before/after photos in Gentle Scar Therapy to build confidence and evidence of change.   00:00 Welcome to Health Leader 00:26 Conference Reflections 01:41 Christine's Workshop System 02:51 Mind Maps and Memory Hacks 06:05 Post Workshop Implementation 06:46 Charging While Practicing 10:09 Grounding and Presence 14:41 Teaching for Learning Styles 16:56 Hot Stones Demo Flow 18:52 Full Treatment Practice 20:09 Learning Styles and Script 21:35 Workshop Day Structure 23:10 Real Models and Results 26:39 Confidence Through Repetition 30:27 Trust the Technique 32:34 Embracing Beginner Mindset 33:22 Gentle Stones and Intent 34:10 Wrap Up and Next Steps

    Ep 141 Get the most from every workshop: the secret practice proven to triple your learning outcomes
  3. Apr 26

    Ep 139: When The Body Speaks: Mental Health, Boundaries & The Massage Room

    What happens when your client's pain goes beyond the physical? In this episode, we sit down with Matt Runnalls, a mental health advocate whose story is as powerful as it is important for every massage therapist to hear. This conversation goes beyond techniques and into what's really happening beneath the surface. The nervous system. The patterns. The "knots" in someone's timeline that continue to show up in the body. Matt shares how many of the challenges we face are not random. They are moments in our life that we have attached meaning to. And unless we change that meaning, we keep tripping over them again and again. As therapists, we often become the place where people finally feel safe enough to open up. But where is the line? How do you support without stepping outside your scope? And how do you protect yourself while still holding space? Inside this episode, we explore: • Why presence is one of the most powerful tools you have • How emotional experiences show up as physical tension • The concept of "knots" in your timeline and how to reframe them • Why changing meaning can change everything • How to hold strong, healthy boundaries in your clinic • What to say when a client shares something deeper • How to refer with confidence and integrity This is a conversation that will shift how you see your clients, your role, and even your own experiences. Because when we stop trying to remove the pain and instead learn from it, that's where real change happens. Meet Matt Over many years, Matt Runnalls has worked tirelessly as a mental health advocate to create awareness, acceptance, and education. Having lived with a mental illness, surviving suicide attempts, and losing several friends to suicide, Matt utilizes his knowledge of lived experience to encourage others to feel comfortable to speak up and manage their well-being just as he continues to do. Since devoting himself to advocacy full-time, Matt has delivered over 600 presentations, workshops, and events across Australia, Canada, and America. His story and journey have been featured in books, documentaries, songs, podcasts, films and throughout most big Australian media outlets. Matt's dedication and tireless efforts have been recognised as he was awarded an Australia Day Medallion in January 2018 and as a 2021 Australian of the Year nominee. Matt is committed to using his voice and experiences as a platform to instill acceptance, purpose, and hope.

    Ep 139: When The Body Speaks: Mental Health, Boundaries & The Massage Room
  4. 12/15/2025

    Ep 135 The 2025 Health Leader Co Wrap Up

    🎙️ 2025 Wrap Up – The Health Leader Co What a year. In this special wrap-up episode, Elicia, Christine, and James reflect on an extraordinary 2025. From global conferences and industry-leading training to podcast highlights, unexpected opportunities, and a LOT of Zoom hours, this episode is a behind-the-scenes look at what it really takes to lead, grow, and evolve in the health and bodywork industry. We revisit standout podcast guests, international events like LYMPHYCON and the International Bowen Global Summit, the Massage & Myotherapy Australia Conference, Health Leader Mastery intensives, and the continued growth of Gentle Scar Therapy around the world. You'll also hear personal reflections on family, study, career pivots, and the lessons that shaped the year, plus a glimpse of what's coming in 2026, including events you may be able to attend. If you're a therapist, clinic owner, or health professional creating a practice you love, this episode will leave you feeling grounded, inspired, and excited for what's next. 🎧 Listen in and wrap up 2025 with us. Links: LymphyCon 2026 https://lymphbalance.com/lymphycon-welcome/about-lymphycon Massage Myotherapy Australia - National Conference 2026 - Geelong, Vic https://www.massagemyotherapy.com.au/Professionalism-and-Excellence/2026-National-Conference Massage Therapy Media https://www.massagetherapymedia.com/ Gentle Scar Therapy  https://healthleaderco.com/gentle-scar-therapy Hands on Work Shops for The Health Leader Co in 2026 https://healthleaderco.com/workshops Geelong - February 7th and 8th  Calgary, Canada - April Cairns - July  October - where do you want us to come?

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Exploring the Hands, Head and Heart of Massage and Manual Therapy In this podcast you'll hear stories from successful massage and complementary health professionals that have been there before you... with great conversations and a bunch of free tips and tactics so you can grow a practice you love!

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