Listening In (With Permission): Conversations About Today's Pressing Health Care Topics

Catalyst for Payment Reform

Listen in as Catalyst for Payment Reform dials up health care leaders to discuss some of the biggest questions we face today.

  1. 12/08/2025

    Episode 148: Rethinking Primary Care in a Digital World with Dr. Jason Chirichigno

    In this episode, Andréa Caballero of Catalyst for Payment Reform sits down with Dr. Jason Chirichigno—internal medicine physician, digital-care pioneer, and founding clinical leader at Galileo—to unpack what truly differentiates digital medicine from traditional telemedicine, why employers are urgently seeking new care models, and how high-quality, longitudinal primary care can be delivered virtually without sacrificing relationships, access, or outcomes.

    22 min

  2. 09/08/2025

    Episode 147: Measuring What Matters with Rachel Block (Milbank Memorial Fund)

    In this episode, Andréa Caballero of Catalyst for Payment Reform talks with Rachel Block—Program Officer at the Milbank Memorial Fund and longtime federal/state health policy leader—about cost growth targets: what they are, why they matter, and how states, employers, and consumers can use transparent data to bend the healthcare cost curve without harming access to care.

    24 min

  3. 08/25/2025

    Episode 146: Starting Fresh: Swati Mathai on a New Era of Employer Healthcare

    In this episode of Listening (With Permission), Andréa Caballero of Catalyst for Payment Reform sits down with Swati Mathai—CEO and co-founder of XO Health—to explore how employers can finally move beyond the limits of legacy health plans. With more than 25 years of experience advising Fortune 500 employers, leading strategy at UnitedHealthcare and Anthem (now Elevance Health), and now building XO Health from the ground up, Swati shares why the only way forward is to start fresh.

    24 min

  4. 08/04/2025

    Episode 145: Health Rosetta’s Blueprint for Transforming Healthcare with Dave Chase

    In this eye-opening episode of Listening (With Permission), Andréa Caballero of Catalyst for Payment Reform welcomes Dave Chase—visionary founder of Health Rosetta, author, and champion for rebuilding healthcare from the ground up. Together, they explore how employers and benefits leaders can break free from status-quo health plans and reclaim quality care and economic prosperity for their communities.

    26 min

  5. 07/21/2025

    Episode 144 - Oral Health is Healthcare with Caroline McLeod

    In this episode of Listening In (With Permission), Andréa Caballero of Catalyst for Payment Reform sits down with Caroline McLeod, a practicing dental clinician and leader at CareQuest Institute for Oral Health, for a deep dive into the overlooked world of oral healthcare—exploring why it's far more than just teeth, and why health leaders need to pay attention.

    19 min

  6. 06/30/2025

    Episode 143: Kristof Stremikis on Medicaid’s Future—and Why Employers Should Care

    In this episode of Listening In (With Permission), Andréa connects with Kristof Stremikis, Director, Market Analysis and Insights at the California Healthcare Foundation, for a candid exploration of Medicaid’s evolving landscape and its surprising relevance to the employer-sponsored insurance market.

    23 min

  7. 06/24/2025

    Episode 142: Beyond Pie Charts: Mike Hanlon on Real-Time Data, Carve Outs, and Employer Power

    Episode 142: Beyond Pie Charts: Mike Hanlon on Real-Time Data, Carve Outs, and Employer Power by Catalyst for Payment Reform

    21 min

  8. 06/05/2025

    Episode 141: Don’t Mess with Texas Employers: Chris Skisak on State Policy for Affordable Healthcare

    In this episode of Listening In (With Permission), Ryan Olmstead sits down with Mike Hanlon, founder and CEO of Abbet, to unpack some of the boldest ideas in health benefits management—and why they might not be so radical after all. Hanlon, whose company builds automation tools for large employer plan sponsors, offers a candid look at why traditional approaches to benefits data and cost management have failed to move the needle, and what it will take to finally deliver better outcomes at lower costs. From real-time data to market-based carve-outs, Hanlon shares practical insights and hard-won lessons for employers ready to challenge the status quo.

    26 min
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