Between Meetings with Matt Heine

Netwealth Investments Limited

In this podcast series Matt Heine, Managing Director of Netwealth, chats to industry professionals and thought leaders on what opportunities and challenges they see for financial advisers, what they are working on and their favourite business book or podcast, to uncover their insights on a wide range of topics in relation to the delivery of advice and financial services.

  1. Ep 102: Simplifying technology and processes to scale firms-Danni Le Grande

    08/26/2025

    Ep 102: Simplifying technology and processes to scale firms-Danni Le Grande

    Matt Heine chats with Danni Le Grande, Head of IFA Consulting at Finura Group, one of Australia's leading technology consultants for advice firms. With a career spanning licensees, funds management, advice practices, and tech consulting, Danni explains why tech fatigue is real, and how firms can simplify processes to drive better outcomes for clients and teams. They unpack why most tech change fails, the importance of people-first adoption, and how firms can turn technology from a cost into a strategic enabler. Danni also shares insights on data governance, AI in advice, and how the best firms are navigating the shift to independent, scalable business models. Essential listening for advice firms facing growth and efficiency challenges. Episode summary 00:01:05 - Danni's career journey Danni shares her 25-year journey across licensees, funds management, advice firms, and now technology consulting at Finura Group. 00:03:20 - Evolution of tech conversations in advice Reflecting on how advice firms have shifted from Excel sheets and manual processes to navigating complex tech ecosystems. 00:05:15 - Why most tech change fails Danni explains why choosing technology is easy, but implementing it meaningfully requires empathy, people-first change management, and simplifying workflows. 00:08:45 - From institutional alignment to independence How the shift to self-licensing has changed technology conversations, with firms now needing to own their tech and process decisions. 00:12:30 - Common inefficiencies and tech 'health checks' The discovery process Danni's team uses to identify inefficiencies, strip back complexity, and create tailored tech roadmaps. 00:16:50 - Data governance and managing silos Danni highlights the critical need for firms to understand where their data sits, how it's managed, and why silos can become major risks. 00:21:40 - AI's real-world applications in advice Why Danni remains conservative on AI, believing firms need to focus on solving real bottlenecks first—such as file notes, onboarding, and client communication. 00:27:10 - Scaling to 180 clients per adviser Discussing the "Road to 200" strategy and how technology, efficient workflows, and advisory team growth are all key to scaling advice delivery. 00:30:45 - Personal insights and cybersecurity awareness Danni shares her passion for social engineering awareness in advice firms, recommending resources like the Darknet Diaries podcast.

    33 min
  2. Ep 101: Supercharging self-licensed firms - Kon Costas

    07/07/2025

    Ep 101: Supercharging self-licensed firms - Kon Costas

    Matt Heine welcomes Kon Costas, Managing Director of The Principals' Community, for a wide-ranging chat on the future of financial advice. With decades of leadership experience across Westpac, BT and now a national self-licensed adviser network, Kon offers powerful insights on what makes businesses grow, merge successfully, and remain resilient. They discuss trusted leadership, why self-licensing is rising, and how cultural alignment is key to any successful M&A deal. Kon also shares how his team supports 135 advice firms and 1,300+ advisers through governance, CPD and peer-driven growth. A must-listen for anyone navigating change or thinking about the next evolution of advice. 00:01:12 – Entering financial services Kon Costas shares how his career began in banking with Westpac in 1989, eventually transitioning into financial advice and later leadership and licensee roles. 00:03:13 – Reflecting on industry change Kon discusses the evolution of financial planning, the Royal Commission, and the ongoing challenge of adviser shortages despite increased professionalism. 00:05:07 – Lessons in change management Kon reflects on his experience navigating industry change, emphasising transparency, trust, and leading from the front during both tough and growth periods. 00:07:06 – The Principals' Community Now Managing Director of The Principals' Community, Kon explains its mission to support successful self-licensed practices through governance, education, and scale. 00:11:38 – The rise of self-licensing Kon explores trends in self-licensing, highlighting flexibility, control, and the importance of capability—while cautioning that cost should not be the primary driver. 00:21:45 – Business performance and growth He shares key data points from member firms, such as average client load (105 per adviser), profitability benchmarks, and the push for greater efficiency and organic growth. 00:23:47 – M&A trends and traps Kon unpacks the current M&A landscape, warning against rushed deals and stressing the need for cultural alignment, thorough due diligence, and clear expectations. 00:32:38 – Building the future of advice He calls for industry-wide collaboration to attract and train the next generation of advisers, boost the profession's reputation, and increase the reach of quality advice. 00:36:24 – Looking ahead Kon closes with optimism, encouraging advisers to embrace the abundant opportunities ahead, especially with technology enabling broader client reach.

    37 min
  3. 07/01/2025

    Ep 100: Crafting a 25-year overnight success - Michael Heine

    In our milestone 100th episode, Matt Heine interviews his father and founder of Netwealth, Michael Heine, in a rare and wide-ranging conversation spanning decades of business lessons and life experience. Michael recounts how his father arrived in Australia as a stateless prisoner of war with nothing and built a global trading empire. From trading and media to funds management and eventually founding Netwealth, Michael's journey is packed with high-risk plays, hard-won insights, and moments of extraordinary resilience. This is a deeply personal and professional story about legacy, timing, pivoting when needed, and backing yourself—even when no one else will. A must-listen for founders, advisers, and entrepreneurs alike. 00:01:12 – Celebrating 100 episodes Matt Heine reflects on launching Between Meetings eight years ago and introduces his father, Michael Heine, as the special guest for this milestone 100th episode. 00:02:25 – A family legacy of resilience Michael shares the remarkable story of his father Walter, a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany who built Australia's largest trading company after arriving as a prisoner of war with no money or contacts. 00:08:58 – Business at the dinner table Michael recalls growing up in a household where business was ever-present. Walter lived for his work, and conversations often centred on deals, strategy, and growth. 00:12:57 – Dropping out of university and joining the business Michael talks about not finishing his degree, starting work with his father, and quickly learning the value of real-world experience over theory. 00:17:12 – Chasing recurring revenue After years in the trading business, Michael explains why he sought businesses with consistent income streams, which eventually led to the founding of Netwealth. 00:24:45 – Selling Heine Management Michael details the tough decision to sell the business in 1999, the challenges of listed property trusts, and how the sale freed him to pursue new opportunities. 00:30:48 – The birth of Netwealth Michael discusses "retiring" for two weeks before launching Netwealth. He describes the early planning, modest goals, and lessons from past ventures that shaped the platform's strategy. 00:38:15 – Building tech from the ground up He recounts early tech partnerships and why they chose to build their own front-end, emphasising the importance of owning the client experience and data. 00:43:12 – $25 million to first $1B FUA Michael shares the grit it took to reach Netwealth's first billion dollars in funds under administration. Despite early losses, they stayed focused on long-term vision and strong governance. 00:45:40 – Scaling a business the right way He reflects on the complexities of scaling, highlighting the need to pair creative leadership with strong financial oversight, and to evolve the team and systems as the company grows. 00:47:49 – The future of technology Michael shares his excitement for AI and how he sees it transforming business efficiency. He encourages embracing technological change, not fearing it. 00:50:04 – Beyond Netwealth Michael touches on his continuing involvement in the business and his passion for strategic thinking, admitting that retirement never quite suited him.

    55 min

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In this podcast series Matt Heine, Managing Director of Netwealth, chats to industry professionals and thought leaders on what opportunities and challenges they see for financial advisers, what they are working on and their favourite business book or podcast, to uncover their insights on a wide range of topics in relation to the delivery of advice and financial services.

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