Business for Good Podcast

Paul Shapiro
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Join host Paul Shapiro as he talks with some of the leading start-up entrepreneurs and titans of industry alike using their businesses to help solve the world's most pressing problems. Whether it's climate change, unsustainable agricultural practices, cyber threats, coral reef die-offs, nuclear waste storage, plastic pollution, or more, many of the world's greatest challenges are also exciting business opportunities. On this show, we feature business leaders who are marrying profit and purpose by inventing solutions to both build a better world and offer investors a bang for their bucks.

  1. 4D AGO

    Vasectomies, Family Planning, and Environmental Pressure with Dr. Douglas Stein (The Vasectomist)

    Episode Summary:  What if one of the highest-leverage climate and poverty interventions isn't a new technology, a policy mandate, or a venture-backed breakthrough, but simply making permanent contraception easier for men to choose?   In this episode of Businesses For Good, host Paul Shapiro sits down with Dr. Douglas Stein, a Florida physician known as "The Vasectomist," who has performed 45,000+ vasectomies and taken his work internationally, including providing free procedures and (in some cases) small cash offsets for travel and missed wages. Their conversation moves beyond the clinic into systems: fertility rates, infrastructure strain, unintended pregnancies, cultural and religious resistance, and the practical barriers that keep men from sharing the family-planning burden.   You'll also hear an honest debate about incentives, the limits of government policy, and the bigger question underneath it all: if we believe human ingenuity can solve hard problems, what would it look like to proactively reduce pressure on the planet through voluntary family planning?   Things You Will Learn: Why vasectomy adoption is less about medicine and more about behavior, trust, and access. How Dr. Stein thinks about incentives, and why he frames them as cost offsets. What policy and infrastructure gaps keep family planning from scaling in lower-income regions, even when demand is high.   Tools & Frameworks Covered: No-Scalpel Vasectomy Model: a simplified, low-instrument approach that enables portability and scale. Access + Friction Framework: why adoption depends on availability, education, and practical logistics (time, travel, wages). Systems Lens on Population & Biodiversity: connecting fertility trends to infrastructure strain, resource use, and biodiversity outcomes.   #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #FutureOfFood #AlternativeProtein #FamilyPlanning

    50 min
  2. Feed the People Authors on Abundance, Food Policy, and Meat Demand

    FEB 15

    Feed the People Authors on Abundance, Food Policy, and Meat Demand

    Episode Summary What if the global food system isn't "broken" in the way sustainability debates usually claim, and treating it that way leads to worse decisions?   Paul Shapiro sits down with Jan Dutkiewicz and Gabriel Rosenberg, authors of Feed the People, to unpack how industrial scale and trade created unprecedented food abundance, why "eat local" and small-farm nostalgia collapses at 8 billion people, and what practical policy levers can improve outcomes without fantasy. They explore a clear framework, more food, less feed, no fuel, why animal agriculture remains an inefficient use of land and protein, and how public policy can reshape meat demand by changing incentives instead of accepting forecasts as fate.   You'll leave with sharper systems thinking, grounded tradeoffs, and a clearer view of what scalable food system decarbonization can actually look like.   Things You Will Learn How to evaluate food system claims using systems logic instead of slogans. Why meat demand rises, and how policy can bend the curve without moralizing. What "more food, less feed, no fuel" implies for land use, emissions, and investment priorities.   Tools & Frameworks Covered More food, less feed, no fuel. Prioritizes crops for human food over animal feed and biofuels. Incentives over narratives. Shows how policy choices shape production, prices, and demand. Democratic hedonism. Meets people where they are, then reduces harm at scale.   #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #FutureOfFood #AlternativeProtein #FoodSystemDecarbonization

    50 min
  3. Bruce Friedrich (Good Food Institute) on Taste, Price, and What It Takes to Scale Alternative Meat

    FEB 1

    Bruce Friedrich (Good Food Institute) on Taste, Price, and What It Takes to Scale Alternative Meat

    Alternative meat looks like it is collapsing. Startups are shutting down, funding is drying up, and headlines are calling the category finished, but that reaction may reflect a misunderstanding of how technological revolutions actually unfold. Bruce Friedrich, President of the Good Food Institute and author of Meat: How the Next Agricultural Revolution Will Transform Humanity's Favorite Food and Our Future, explains why most people will not change behavior for values alone, why price and taste are the real adoption gates, and why "only" $3 billion in cultivated meat funding is far smaller than it sounds when spread across years and companies. Paul and Bruce discuss what it will take to reach taste and price parity, why governments increasingly view alternative protein as food security and national security infrastructure, and why today's failures can be a normal feature of early-stage category formation rather than proof the model will not work. You will leave with a clearer, more evidence-driven view of what is happening now and what progress actually looks like. Things You Will Learn: How taste and price parity shape S-curve adoption in food, regardless of ethics or intent Why $3B in cultivated meat investment may be insufficient relative to comparable industrial innovation cycles How food security, geopolitical risk, and economic competitiveness are driving government interest in alternative protein Tools & Frameworks Covered: S-Curve Adoption – helps evaluate whether setbacks are normal in scaling technologies Eliminating the Green Premium – helps frame what it takes for sustainable products to win at mass-market scale B2B Enablement Strategy – helps identify leverage points that unlock category-wide progress   #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #FutureOfFood #AlternativeProtein #PrecisionFermentation

    58 min

  4. JAN 15

    Modern Mill's Chris Guimond on Upcycling Rice Hulls Into Low Maintenance Building Materials

    Episode Summary A rice field does not look like the starting point for a scalable building materials company until you understand the economics behind it.   In this episode of Business For Good, Paul Shapiro sits down with Chris Guimond, Founder and CEO of Modern Mill, to explore how discarded rice hulls are being transformed into ACRE, a wood like siding, decking, and trim product designed to replace old growth lumber. Chris explains why deforestation is a supply and demand problem, how Modern Mill cracked the manufacturing and adoption challenges that derail most composites, and what it takes to raise significant capital to build real infrastructure in the United States. The conversation covers circular economy manufacturing, competing with billion dollar incumbents, and why climate solutions scale only when they outperform existing systems on cost, durability, and ease of use.   Things You Will Learn Why most sustainable materials fail at adoption and how to avoid that trap How supply chain location determines whether upcycling works economically What it takes to scale a hard tech manufacturing business in a legacy industry   Tools and Frameworks Covered Supply chain proximity strategy to control logistics costs and reliability Adoption first product design for builders and contractors Capacity planning to scale manufacturing without breaking trust   Episode Timestamps 05:10 – Why rice hulls present a hidden opportunity in building materials 08:56 – Cracking the code on turning agricultural waste into scalable products 13:20 – Why most composites fail to replace wood 25:20 – How logistics and location shape upcycling economics 35:10 – Scaling capacity before demand fully arrives   #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #CircularEconomy #ClimateSolutions #FutureOfFood

    40 min
  5. Deep Fission: Using Boreholes to Cut Nuclear Costs and Deliver 24/7 Clean Electricity

    JAN 1

    Deep Fission: Using Boreholes to Cut Nuclear Costs and Deliver 24/7 Clean Electricity

    What if the fastest path to reliable clean electricity is not a new reactor design, but a new place to put one?   In this conversation, Paul Shapiro speaks with Elizabeth Muller, CEO of Deep Fission, about a plan to place a conventional pressurized water reactor roughly a mile underground to use geology, gravity, and groundwater for containment, pressure, and emergency cooling, potentially cutting total nuclear costs by as much as 80%. They unpack how a narrow borehole reactor could serve always-on demand from data centers and industrial users, what "proven tech combined in a new way" really means, how safety and groundwater concerns are handled through regulation and engineering practices, and the practical milestones from pilot to commercial operation so listeners can evaluate what it would take for underground nuclear to scale.   Things You Will Learn How putting a conventional reactor in a mile-deep borehole can replace major above-ground systems and cut nuclear cost drivers. How Deep Fission thinks about worst-case scenarios, groundwater protection, and regulatory proof points. What milestones convert LOIs into power purchase agreements, and what timelines look like for early deployment. Tools & Frameworks Covered Geology-as-infrastructure – Uses rock, gravity, and water to replace containment and pressurization systems. Mature-tech recombination – Combines proven reactors, drilling, and geothermal heat transfer to speed time to market. Pilot-to-commercial pathway – Separates "go critical" demonstration from commercial electricity generation milestones.   Episode Timestamps 04:55 – Why a mile underground could cut nuclear costs by about 80% 08:47 – Borehole size, reactor dimensions, and how the hardware fits 09:31 – Replacement strategy, sealing, and stacking long-term operations 19:45 – Groundwater and safety concerns, what regulators need to see 21:43 – Timeline to power, DOE pilot program, and moving toward commercialization   #BusinessForGood #CleanEnergy #NuclearEnergy #EnergyInnovation #ClimateSolutions

    33 min
  6. The Incredible, Edible… Pea? How Meala is Using Biotech to Render Eggs Obsolete

    12/15/2025

    The Incredible, Edible… Pea? How Meala is Using Biotech to Render Eggs Obsolete

    If you've ever checked the ingredients on a baked good, you know how ubiquitous eggs are. They bind, they lift, they emulsify, they hold moisture — they're simply the structural engineers of cookies, cakes, and muffins everywhere. But they're also volatile: prices spike, supply chains break, and for anyone with an egg allergy or who's avoiding eggs for animal welfare or environmental reasons, eggs aren't exactly a welcome ingredient to find on the ingredient deck.  Enter Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich, CEO and co-founder of Meala FoodTech, an Israeli startup that's figured out how to make peas do what eggs and hydrocolloids do, and has consequently raised several million dollars in venture capital so far. Meala's breakthrough lies in taking simple pea protein and using advanced biotechnology to unlock its hidden abilities — creating a single-ingredient powder that they say can whip, bind, and gel just like an egg in baked goods and alternative meat. No multi-ingredient formulations, no methylcellulose, no animal inputs — just plants doing some biochemical magic.  In this episode, Hadar shares how her background in R&D led her to tackle one of food science's toughest challenges: replacing eggs and hydrocolloids without sacrificing texture, taste, or cost. We talk about how Meala's technology works, what it takes to convince industrial bakeries to swap eggs for peas, and why she believes clean-label ingredients like this are the future of food.  Hadar is not just rethinking what we eat, she and her team are rebuilding the food system from scratch, one cookie, cake, and croissant at a time.  Discussed in this episode  Meals is backed by The Kitchen Food Tech Hub, DSM's venture arm, Milk & Honey Ventures, Lasenor, and EIT.  Our past episode with Milk & Honey Ventures' Beni Nofech.  More on Meala's egg replacer, GroundBaker, is here.  You can see two pending patent applications of Meala's here and here.    Get to know Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich  Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich brings over 12 years of leadership experience in the global food industry, with a strong focus on driving innovation and R&D across traditional food sectors. Throughout her career, she has led complex, multidisciplinary projects from early concept development to full commercial launch, consistently bridging technological capabilities with real market needs.  In 2021, she founded Meala FoodTech with a mission to transform the food industry. Under her leadership, Meala is pioneering clean-label functional protein that deliver superior texture, bite, and mouthfeel—without compromise and without undesirable additives. Her work empowers food manufacturers to create simpler, more natural, and better-tasting products, setting a new benchmark for next-generation of food.  Hadar is widely recognized for her strategic vision, deep industry insight, and ability to translate scientific innovation into scalable commercial solutions.

    29 min
  7. From Oil Wells to Oak Trees: Ben Dell's Half-Billion-Dollar Pivot to Carbon Offsetting

    12/01/2025

    From Oil Wells to Oak Trees: Ben Dell's Half-Billion-Dollar Pivot to Carbon Offsetting

    What if planting trees could be not just good for the planet, but also a profitable business? In this episode, I'm talking with Ben Dell, the founder and CEO of Chestnut Carbon — a company that's raised nearly $400 million, including $250 million of that in 2025, to turn farmland back into thriving native forests across the United States. And he's already forging major carbon removal deals with the likes of Microsoft and Mercedes F1. Ben's journey is a fascinating one: he began his career in oil and gas private equity, helping fossil-fuel companies optimize their operations. But during the pandemic, he had what you might call a carbon epiphany. Seeing how few trustworthy carbon-removal projects existed, he decided to create his own — one that would make measurable, verifiable, and permanent carbon storage not just possible, but investable. In our conversation, Ben explains why carbon is a commodity, and how to prove you've really stored it. He talks about how Chestnut buys up marginal cattle-grazed land and restores it into biodiverse forests — with already more than 17 million trees planted. And he goes over why he proudly calls Chestnut "conservation for profit" — a business model that needs no subsidies, just land, good science, and a lot of patience. Ben also talks about the challenges of scaling a nature-based startup, the importance of grit over glamour, and why he believes restoring forests can be one of America's most investable climate solutions. So if you've ever wondered how capitalism might actually reverse deforestation — not cause it — this episode will give you a hopeful, grounded look at what that future could look like. Discussed in this episode Ben is a managing partner at Kimmeridge. Business Insider profile and a Wall Street Journal profile on Ben's work. Our past episode with author Mike Grunwald. You can see Chestnut's patent, "Systems and methods for forest surveying," here. Chestnut's offtake partnership with Microsoft and a similar agreement with Mercedes F1. Ben recommends podcasts such as Lex Fridman's and Invest Like the Best. Get to Know Ben Dell Ben Dell is a Managing Partner of Kimmeridge and oversees investment activity across the firm. He is closely involved in the screening of new geological opportunities and in the negotiation and execution of investment strategies.  Prior to founding Kimmeridge, Mr. Dell was a Senior Equity Research Analyst for Oil and Gas Exploration and Production (E&P) at Sanford C. Bernstein, where he was ranked first three times in the Institutional Investor Research Survey for coverage of E&Ps. Mr. Dell was also ranked for Natural Gas and for Oil Services and Equipment coverage. Mr. Dell joined Sanford C. Bernstein in 2003. Prior to joining Bernstein, Mr. Dell was employed at British Petroleum (BP) in its M&A and finance group. Before moving into the finance field, Mr. Dell also held positions as an exploration geologist and geophysicist across several of BP's regional business units.  Mr. Dell is currently CEO of Chestnut Carbon, a nature-based carbon removal developer and is on the Board of Caturus HoldCo, LLC., a large private natural gas producer in South Texas. He previously held positions as Chairman of the Board and interim CEO of Civitas Resources, Inc. ("Civitas"), a company that formed from the merger of Extraction Oil & Gas, Inc. and Bonanza Creek Energy, Inc.  Mr. Dell earned an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Earth Sciences from St. Peter's College, Oxford.

    31 min
  8. Ready for a Carpet Made of Human Hair? This Entrepreneur Turns Salon Waste into Textiles

    11/15/2025

    Ready for a Carpet Made of Human Hair? This Entrepreneur Turns Salon Waste into Textiles

    What if one solution to fashion's waste problem is literally growing on our own heads? Every day, salons around the world toss out millions of pounds of freshly cut human hair — a clean, protein-rich, renewable resource that mostly ends up in landfills or incinerators. But what if that so-called waste could become the next sustainable textile? My guest on this episode, Zsofia Kollar, is the founder and CEO of Human Material Loop, a Netherlands-based startup turning salon hair waste into a high-performance fibre that behaves like wool — but with 43 times lower CO₂ emissions, 20 times less water use, and none of the animal cruelty or plastics. Their branded fiber, called Adara, is already being spun into things like carpets, curtains, and acoustic panels — and it's made from something we all grow ourselves. In this conversation, Zsofia and I talk about how she got the idea to build an entire materials company out of human hair, how her technology works, why hair is such a strong and versatile material, the "ick" factor of human-derived fibres, and how she's scaling her model so that salons and HML benefit alike. If you think using human hair in textiles sounds strange, stick around — because by the end of this episode, you might just want a carpet made from your own cut-offs. I'll let Zsofia make the case. Discussed in this episode Washington Post coverage of Human Material Loop's work. Vogue and CNN have covered their work, too. Zoroastrians sometimes practice sky burial on a Tower of Silence, in which vultures are allowed to consume a recently deceased human. Our past episode on human composting with Recompose. Get to Know Zsofia Kollar Zsofia Kollar is a forward-thinking entrepreneur passionate about sustainable innovation. Science and design are crucial in the company's development. After her experience running an independent design studio, Zsofia was driven to reimagine waste management, focusing particularly on hair waste. Her goal is to foster collaboration and innovation for a more sustainable future. Human Material Loop demonstrates that sustainability and economic growth can coexist. Zsofia's dedication extends beyond her CEO role—she's also a published author and university lecturer, inspiring others in design and sustainability. Her vision entails holistic sustainability, where science, design, and collaboration reshape waste management and drive innovation.

    36 min
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Join host Paul Shapiro as he talks with some of the leading start-up entrepreneurs and titans of industry alike using their businesses to help solve the world's most pressing problems. Whether it's climate change, unsustainable agricultural practices, cyber threats, coral reef die-offs, nuclear waste storage, plastic pollution, or more, many of the world's greatest challenges are also exciting business opportunities. On this show, we feature business leaders who are marrying profit and purpose by inventing solutions to both build a better world and offer investors a bang for their bucks.

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