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  1. 9h ago

    The Blood Test That Tells You Which Chemo Will Actually Work (Before You Ever Take It)

    What if you could test your cancer cells BEFORE choosing a treatment and actually watch which drugs kill them? That's not science fiction. That's what we did for Kamren — a 38-year-old man in my own family who was diagnosed with a rare, complex cancer that conventional medicine struggled to classify, let alone treat. In this episode, I'm pulling back the curtain on three precision tests that most oncologists have never ordered and explaining exactly what they revealed, what they changed, and why they matter for every cancer patient, not just his. We're talking about: 🔬 Northstar Response: the liquid biopsy that tracks your tumor's activity in real time through a single blood draw 🧬 Northstar Select: the genomic test that mapped the exact mutations driving his cancer and matched them to targeted therapies and clinical trials 🧪 DATAR Chemo-Scale: the live cell test that grew his actual tumor cells in a lab and tested 70+ drugs against them to find out which ones truly work on his cancer This episode isn't about hope. It's about data. It's about refusing to let a protocol designed for the average patient be applied to someone who is anything but average. If you or someone you love is navigating a cancer diagnosis, this episode could change the questions you ask and the care you receive. Donate – Any amount makes a difference https://www.freefunder.com/campaign/rare-male-breast-cancer Connect with us: Website: https://www.letstalkwellness.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/letstalk_wellnessnow/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LetsTalkWellnessNowPodcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lets-talk-wellness-now/ Subscribe to Let's Talk Wellness Now so you never miss an episode, and if this one opened your eyes, share it with someone who needs to hear it.

  2. Jul 13

    Episode 273 – The Hidden Truth About Morgellons, Lyme Disease & Bartonella | Dr. Ginger Savely

    Dr. Deb Muth 00:03What if symptoms that have been dismissed for years aren’t all in your head, but signs of an underlying tick-borne illness or complex chronic condition that needs a different kind of care? Today, we’re talking with Ginger Southley DNP, one of the leading voices in Lyme disease, mortgage, and tick-borne illness care. She brings decades of clinical experience and a deeply patient-centered approach to some of the most misunderstood conditions in medicine. Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting-edge approaches to healing, and empower you with the tools to take charge of your life.I’m Dr. Deb, and today we’re diving into the complex world of Lyme disease, co-infections, more jellins, and the deeper factors that can keep people stuck in chronic illness. If you or someone you love has been struggling with unexplained symptoms, fatigue, brain fog, pain, or a long road to answers, this episode is for you. So, as usual, grab your cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you settle in, and let’s get started on today’s journey toward deeper healing.You guys can put one of the ads in here, that’d be great. No. There we go. Because otherwise, yes, we’re going to get chatting, and we’ll forget. I pre-recorded the intro part, so we can just dive in, and I can ask you, like, how you got into this, and then we can start our conversation again. Dr. Ginger Savely 02:01Okay, I can’t remember what I said last time, but that’s alright, I’ll just… Dr. Deb Muth 02:04So, we need to protect them. Well, welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness now. I have a dear lady, Dr. Ginger. She’s being so gracious because we already goofed up our first recording we did on Riverside a few months ago, and she’s been gracious enough to come back and join us again and do it all over again while we’re actually recording. So, Dr. Savely, welcome to the show. Dr. Ginger Savely 02:26Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. Dr. Deb Muth 02:30Dr. Ginger, tell us a little bit about how you got involved with tick-borne disease and Morgellons, because you are truly a legend in this world, and I’d love for everybody to hear your story. Dr. Ginger Savely 02:42Well, I just to very briefly go over, I got into the tick-borne diseases because my daughter was so very sick with it, and I started learning everything I could, and the next thing I knew, I was picking it up in my… population, I was doing primary care, family practice, and I was picking it up in that group. And then word got around, and next thing I knew, I’m treating a lot of tick-borne disease, became 50% of my practice, then 70% of my practice. And then, a few years into it, I started having, well, first of all, Dr. Harvey, who was a Lyme doctor in Houston, Texas, he and I were constantly communicating about things and comparing notes, and he emailed me and said, have you seen any patients with you know, blue fibers coming out of them? And I said, I don’t think so, but I’ll start looking for it. So, then I did, and I started asking all my Lyme patients about it, just, have you had any unusual things come out of your skin?And once I asked them, then, lo and behold, a certain subset of them said, well, yes, as a matter of fact, I do have that, but I’ve just learned not to mention it, because people think I’m crazy, so I just never, you know, say a word about it. And so I started picking up a lot of these patients, and you know, of course, since I first came at this by way of tick-borne diseases, Lyme, etc. I figured, okay, these people I know have tick-borne disease, so let’s treat that and see if maybe their immune system recovers to the point where they can handle whatever this is causing the Morgellen’s disease. And so that’s the way I approached it at first, just treating underlying infections, since I had no idea what was causing more dilins. I just noted an association with Lyme disease. And so, I put out a paper about 20 years ago. I published a paper that had to do with Basically, one thing… the main point of the paper was correlatingLyme disease with Morgellins, saying that 97% of my Morgellins patients ended up having Lyme or another tick-borne infection. And, so this is… this is the first publication that basically kind of made that correlation, you know, between the line. And I think it’s been taken out of context a lot, misinterpreted. I never for a minute said that Lyme causes more gelins, not at all, and we… that’s a leap way too far for us at this point. I just noticed an association. So, whatever that may mean, who knows? But, you know, certain illnesses, like, for example, AIDS patients are famous for getting thisCarpacea sarcoma. And it doesn’t mean AIDS causes that sarcoma, because other people get it too. It’s just highly associated with the tooth, so… We might be talking about a disease that’s highly associated with tick-borne infections, or maybe it’s caused by a co-infection that we don’t even know about. Or maybe it’s something entirely different, and the tick-borne diseases were just suppressing the immune system to the point where The person succumbed to whatever this was whenever they got into contact with it.And so, I began, you know, just experimenting and trying different cocktails of things to see what would work. And as I began to treat, I realized that The more jealous patients did notget better with a Lyme protocol. They got better when I used a Bartonella protocol, a specific group of antibiotics that’s used to treat the Bartonella infection. Now, again, I’m not saying for a minute Bartonella causes more gelin, but I’m just saying that when I use the treatment for Bartonella, that’s when I get the best results on my mortgageellin’s patients. And I also have noticed that my Morgellen’s patients tend to have other symptoms that are typical Bartonella symptoms, like a lot of the neuropsychiatric symptoms, neuropsychiatric, sorry, and the, the streaks that they’ll get on them, the red tracks. Spontaneous scratches, all that. So those we do see on our Bartonella patients that don’t have more gelin.So, I started… it was… my early patients were, I would always say, you’re the lab rats, because we’re just experimenting with everything, and they were more than willing. I mean, these people were so desperate, they were so miserable, and so… upset by the way they’ve been treated by the medical establishment, that they were, every one of them, at a point of saying. I don’t care what you give me. it… if it… even if it kills me, I’d rather be dead than have to deal with this, you know? Dr. Deb Muth 08:07Try something, right? Dr. Ginger Savely 08:08That’s pretty drastic, I know, but that’s where they were. They were at a point where, I don’t care, I’ll take any risk just to do this. However, I’ve always been using FDA-approved medications, and, you know, it’s just… naturally, I’m treating, sort of in my own, kind of invented way, because there’s no textbooks you can go to for this, there’s no algorithms, there’s no treatment protocols for this, because more than half of the medical world doesn’t even believe it exists. So, we… you know, I looked very carefully at all these patients in my office with magnified, lighted magnification, and I was seeing amazing things. I mean, I couldn’t believe it. Sometimes the hair on the back of my neck would stand out when I would see these things, because You know, bright blue fibers are not supposed to be coming out of the human body. And I would even pull at them with the tweezers, and, you know, they would not come out, so it wasn’t like a matter of they were just stuck on there, you know, from fabrics or something, as dermatologists often claim is the case. Dr. Deb Muth 09:24I had a patient once with Morgellons, and she got a magnification glass that she could attach to her phone, and she, like, took pictures of what was coming out of her skin and video recorded it and sent it to me, and oh my gosh, it’s crazy. crazy how these things come out. And if you don’t see it under a microscope like that, it’s really hard to understand what’s going on. Dr. Ginger Savely 09:48Exactly. And, you know, what we’ve always said is dermatologists usually carry about a 12X scope in their pocket, but you need really more like 60X to see this stuff, because very rarely can you see it with the naked eye. I mean, sometimes you can, but you do need that lighted magnification in order to see it. I do have some patients come to me, they have all the symptoms more jealous, but they say, I don’t think I have fibers, and I said, well. but you… have you really looked with magnification? They said, well, no, I just thought I’d see them, and I… so then it turns out they actually do have them, but… Yeah. So I… I’ve been fascinated mostly then in treating these patients by how… diverse each patient is, because I can develop a protocol that’s working fantastically on this patient, and try it on the next patient. It doesn’t work at all. Dr. Deb Muth 10:49So… Dr. Ginger Savely 10:50So, it’s just back to the drawing board, every single patient. And of course, there’s a huge variance in degree of severity of this illness. I have everyone… everywhere from people who are totally functional, going to work, and just have this annoying thing going on, all the way to people who are just completely marred and disfigured and can’t even get out of bed. So, you know, of course, there’s quite a difference there, and naturally, it’s a lot more difficult to treat the more severe cases. And often with the more severe cases. Our best hope is reducing symptoms significantly to where they’re tolerable. But in the very severe cases, I don’t think I’ve ev

  3. Jul 6

    Episode 272 – Why Some Chronic Illnesses Never Heal, Until You Treat the Root Cause

    Dr. Deb Muth 0:05What if your immune system isn’t broken, it’s just confused? What if chronic Lyme, the autoimmune condition, the food sensitivities, the exhaustion that never lifts what if those aren’t separate problems but one problem? A misfiring immune system that nobody taught how to stand down. Today’s guest has spent over 15 years doing exactly that, retraining the immune system from the inside out with a therapy so precise, so safe, and so effective that it has changed the lives of thousands of people who’d been written off by conventional medicine. Stay with me. This one changes everything.Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we pull back the curtain on chronic illness, challenge outdated medical thinking, and hand you the real tools to heal from the inside out. I’m Dr. Deb, integrative and functional medicine practitioner, medical detective, and your straight-talking guide through the world of root cause medicine. Today, we’re going to dive deep into the immune system, specifically something called low-dose immunotherapy or LDI, and also into some hormones, chronic fatigue, and what it actually looks like to treat the cause instead of suppressing the symptoms. If you or someone you love has been told there’s nothing more we can do, this episode was made for you. Grab your cup of coffee, Settle in and let’s get to work. Now, before we bring in today’s guest, a quick word from our sponsor, and then we are diving straight in. I promise. Did you know sweating can literally heal your cells? Infrared saunas don’t just relax you, they detox your body, balance hormones, and boost mitochondrial energy. I’m obsessed with my HealthTech Sauna, and right now you can save $500 with my code at healthtechhealth.com/dr-muth-req-25.I want to start you with a story because this is one I’ve heard hundreds of times in my own practice, and I’m guessing you’ve either lived it or know someone who has. She’s 42. She’s been sick for years. Fatigue that doesn’t lift with sleep, joint pain that migrates, brain fog so thick she can’t finish a sentence, and a gut that seems to react to everything she eats. She’s been to her GP, rheumatologist, gastroenterologist, maybe even an immunologist, and every single lab comes back within quote unquote normal limits. She’s handed a prescription for something to manage the symptoms and sent home. Maybe she’s been told it’s anxiety. Maybe she’s been told it’s aging, or maybe and this one always breaks my heart she’s told it’s all in her head. That woman is not imagining it. She is not anxious and she’s not aging poorly. Her immune system has lost its ability to tolerate things it’s supposed to tolerate, and no one has offered her the therapy that could actually fix that. And what we’re talking about today with my guest has been practicing integrative medicine for over 15 years. Ty Vincent holds a medical degree from the University of Washington. He completed his family medicine residency in Anchorage, Alaska, and since has built one of the most impressive clinical repertoires I’ve seen anywhere in this field: acupuncture, Chinese medicine, environmental medicine, bioidentical hormones, hyperbaric medicine, chelation, regenerative peptide therapy, psychedelic-assisted therapy, and nutritional medicine.He lives and practices on the Big Island of Hawaii. He is married has 9 children. Oh my gosh, 9! And he has personally navigated type 1 diabetes, which, as you’ll hear, is not separate from his mission. It actually is his mission. And most importantly, he is a world authority on low-dose immunotherapy, a therapy he pioneered in 2008 and since has trained over 200 providers globally and changed the course of chronic illness care as we know it. I have had the pleasure of learning from Dr. Ty Vincent. I have had pleasure of taking his low-dose immunotherapy course when he first started back in like 2008 or 2009. I remember doing it back then and learning more about it in 2011. And this is going to be a great conversation for us. So one quick ask that I have for you guys, if this sounds like something that you want to learn more about and you’ve listened to some of our shows, please share like, subscribe. It means a lot. It helps us grow our channel. It helps us continue to provide for you different topics, different speakers, and really give you what it is that you’re looking for.So without further ado, I’d like to introduce you to Dr. Ty Vincent. All right, so Dr. Ty Vincent, this is gonna be a great conversation. We were just chatting before we went live of my training with you guys way back in like 2015, and I’m excited to hear all the new things that you’ve got going on. But introduce yourself to the audience. Tell us a little bit about you, how you got involved in this, uh, where you’re at, all that good stuff. Tyvincent 5:29Okay. I, uh, it’s a long story, but some of the highlights, I guess I was born in Alaska in the early ’70s and grew up there kind of wandering around in the woods with my dogs with no one around all day long. It was amazing. You don’t get kids don’t get that experience anymore. So you kind of learn to be an independent thinker, I think, you know, because latchkey kid, parents weren’t home till 6 and you’re on your own from early. Dr. Deb Muth 5:49That was a great time, wasn’t it? Yeah. Tyvincent 5:51I mean, I have, I have 9 children now and none of them grew up like me. And despite my effort, I mean, I’d have to basically like helicopter them out in the woods and drop them off for a few hours for them to understand what independent kids today are so dependent and parents are so helicopter that, uh, it’s changed. Anyway, I, I grew up just really liking science and really loving science, a huge nerd. And, um, and, uh, when I went into college, when I wanted to be a marine biologist and I thought that that was my passion of the ocean wildlife and all that, and then halfway through college, personal Couple things made me change my mind. It was a girl, you know, the usual. And I decided to go to school in Anchorage instead of going I was, I was transferring to Hawaii and I was going to study marine biology. And then, uh, my girlfriend moved back to Alaska where we were from. And I decided to do that instead. And then they didn’t have a marine science program.So I decided I’ll just get a biology degree and go to medical school. I’m a smart guy. I can do that, but I had no awareness of medicine. I really didn’t have any, you know, the passion some people have to be a healer and to go help people wasn’t part of the calculus at all for me. I was kind of an Asperger’s kid, so that really wasn’t the way I thought, honestly. And then I went into medicine and I was really interested in the science, the biology, the biochemistry, all the stuff, the physiology. And before I started medical school, I was reading some Andrew Weil’s books and I was, I decided to get a book on nutritional biochemistry because I naively thought that’s what they were going to teach me, right? This is how you make people healthy. You figure out how it works and you give them the things that make their body work right. Yeah. And we all know that that’s. Not been true for over 100 years now since the Flexner Report. And, you know, the rich people steered the government towards pharmaceuticals. Dr. Deb Muth 7:26Yeah. Tyvincent 7:26But that was my interest. And when I went through the first 2 years of medical school, I just really devoured all of the basic science stuff. And that was what I thought was the most important. And I honestly mastered all that. I scored in the top 1% in the country on all the exams and everything. And it was the top, in the top of my class at the University of Washington. And then you start doing clinical medical training and you discover that they don’t use any of that knowledge anymore, really, unless it pertains directly to pharmaceuticals, and that pharmaceutical research is extremely narrow and reductionist, and they only want to try to prove one little effect, and it doesn’t translate to real health. So as I got into clinical work and started residency, you know, by the third year of residency, I was like, they didn’t really teach me how to help people with chronic illness. You know, I was, I went to family medicine residency, so I was delivering babies.I was assisting with surgeries. I was in the ER. I was doing colonoscopies. I actually did colonoscopies in practice after residency, which family Doctors almost never get to do, but I’m a small town in Alaska. So I managed my own ICU patients and did everything, literally circumcisions in the office. And you’re dealing with like hospice and end of life care, just both ends, right? Pregnancy to death. And so I’d realized that if I really wanted to do the job well, which was my goal, I needed to learn other things. And in my, in my third year of residency, I actually did the extra, like, like additional training in medical acupuncture that was put on by the Helms Medical Institute then with Joseph Helms.And that was great. And I had to learn Chinese medical theory and I learned, I did the extra module on Chinese herbal medicine. And it was wonderful because I had to open my mind to a completely different way to evaluate people and illness. And I thought, okay, well then there’s got to be more. And as I went, I just became this voracious consumer of broad medical knowledge, not conventional medicine. You notice how a lot of the conventional people call it traditional medicine? Dr. Deb Muth 9:07Yes. Tyvincent 9:07Which annoys the crap out of me because there’s nothing traditional about something that’s been around for 100 years. I mean, you need time, you need like an epoch to say something’s traditional. But they’re like, no, I’m like, and then we

  4. Jun 29

    Episode 271 – The Tissue Saving Your Body (Or Making You Stiff): The Fascia Explanation

    Dr. Deb Muth 00:03What if bloating, back pain, and low energy aren’t separate problems, but clues from the same root cause? What if your posture and the way your fascia moves are changing how your digestion works and how you feel every day? Today, we’re unpacking why symptoms like bloating, fatigue, and persistent pain often come from deeper, whole body issues, and how a multimodal, root cause approach speeds real recovery. You guys can, put our advertisement in here for Venari before we do the intro.Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting-edge regenerative and integrative care, and empower you with practical tools to heal.I’m Dr. Deb, your medical detective, and today we’re talking about whole body recovery, how movement, fascia, gut health, and personalized medicine come together to restore function, energy, and confidence in your body. If you or someone you love struggles with bloating, pain that won’t quit. Slow recovery after surgery or postpartum, or chronic low energy, this episode is for you.So get comfortable, grab a warm drink, And let’s get into it.So today, I’m joined by Dr. Shalini Bhat, founder of the Movement Boutique in Toronto. She is a chiropractor and double-certified functional medicine practitioner who builds care around root causes, lady after my own heart. And rather than just treating the symptoms, as we all know, and you guys have heard me talk about before, that is how we get to the other side of things. So, what I love about your work is you blend the clinical expertise and that lived experience, and just before we started recording, we were talking about the difference of fascia.and chiropractic, and even when you’re looking at bringing in acupuncture and Pilates and functional medicine, having all those modalities together is so amazing. So, before we dive into all of this stuff. Tell us a little bit about your own story. Shalinibhat 02:49Yeah, well, my own story is that I grew up very steeped in Western medicine. My father’s a surgeon, and I had, you know, access to all the allopathic care that was out there, but I kind of had all that, what I call, gray area symptoms. That doesn’t make it into, you know, an allopathic answer, so to speak. And so, having access to all of… you know, the best… this specialist and that specialist didn’t really give my IBS you know, some type of help, and it didn’t really give my chronic back pain some type of help. And I kept, like, tearing my meniscus. I was a dancer, and I just kept, like, thinking, I’m doing all the same things as all these other girls in my class. Why am I the one who keeps tearing my meniscus? Like, what is up with… they… like, we all have the exact same tissues. Why is my tissue resilience so low? that this keeps happening to me. And I seem to be the only one in, you know. from dancing from 3 till I was… when I was 3 till when I was 18, and experiencing this, and I’m looking at everybody, like, what’s the deal? And I sort of felt different, but I couldn’t really pinpoint what was going on, and probably similar to your story. all the things that were coming at me were just labels and diagnoses, and like, you know, same with my meniscus, they were like, the first time, they were like, alright, we do surgery. I was like, okay, sounds good, like, went and did the surgery. The second time it, tore, I was like, that obviously didn’t, do it, because they took out 30% the first time, and then, you know, some of the 70%, you know, tore. And I said, there has to be… there has to be some reason why my My tissue resilience is low, and why that shear force is going through on my left knee every single time, like that same mechanical strain is happening, and fast forward to today, I realized that fascia is this fabric that runs all over the body in huge swaths, and in very large, sort of movement patterns, which we’ll get into, but basically, the way that I was, like, standing, the way that I was… my tissue resilience was less, that’s what was setting the stage for me to re-tear that meniscus, but nobody was asking those questions. My IBS, like the stealth infections I had, the leaky gut I had, all of those things creating excessive inflammation just in my body in general was decreasing my tissue resilience and making me re-injure that same area. So instead of, oh, I’ll just keep getting it, you know, shaved down or taken out, like, why was that same mechanistic injury and strain happening? on that knee, and I started asking different questions, which led me to, instead of going to medical school, say, oh, wait, chiropractors can actually, like, you know.Actually move the body, understand what’s going on, spend the time with patients to properly diagnose, and then actually use our hands, because I’ve always been a very tactile person. Being a dancer, you know you’re always using your body, I understand my body, so when I started my kinesiology degree. I… kinesiology was a no-brainer. I’m like, I have a body, I want to use it, I want to learn… you know, when I’m learning about the muscles and the hands and the… like, I have that, so it’s… I’ve always been a touch kind of person, and that makes sense to me, learning about the body. And, that’s why I ended up studying in such, let’s say, asking alternative questions, so to speak, and that’s why even when I finished my kinesiology degree, and even when I finished my chiropractic training, I still went to school to learn acupuncture training, because I still had more questions, and thenI… and concurrently, I was teaching Pilates as well, and Pilates always resonated with me because I thought, yeah, if you have this really strong powerhouse and this really strong core, that always helped my back. And it always helped my knee. And so, translating kind of all four of these modalities, the chiropractic, the fascial release, the acupuncture, and the Pilates, became sort of my… my own little method that I created on how to help people. I probably… a lot of people listening to this, think of chiropractic as, like, you go somewhere and you get crack, crack, crack top to bottom. That actually is not how I’ve ever practiced, either, because even when I was chronically inflamed with all these issues, even an adjustment would send me into more inflammation, and I would be, in… having aches and pains, so that was not even… I needed it so much gentler, and that’s why I started working with fascia and thinking, like, what else is here? And, like, if someone’s so inflamed, maybe an adjustment is too aggressive for, somebody in the moment. And there’s a time and a place for everything, don’t get me wrong, but that wasn’t my personal, you know, go-to, so to speak, and so that’s why I started working more gently around fascia, and that’s why I used acupuncture needles, and pilates training, and rehabilitation, and looking at people’s movement patterns, and seeing, okay, where are things going off here, and what’s the actual… I hate the word root cause, but that’s where we all come from, it’s just gotten so crazy. But really, truly, if you have back pain, why are we just looking at the back.Like, if your entire pelvis is off, if your entire, like, body is leaning to one side, and you’re putting way more weight on one foot than another, like, why are we… why are we just treating the back? Why are we just adjusting the back? Why are we just, you know, putting ice on the back, or put… or putting painkillers, or rubbing things on the back? We gotta look at the entire body as one whole system when it comes to injury, and that’s my very long backstory to tell you how I… sort of amassed these different things that I do, And in my training. Sorry, I forgot one piece in there, and that’s… with my gut thing and my IBS, I went back to school and did functional medicine training to figure out what that was about, because, and even when my uncle mentioned it, I think, oh gosh, early 2000s, he said, leaky gut, and I thought, well, people probably think these days, like, wait, there’s holes in my stomach? You know, like, what isAnd at that time, you know, way back in the day, the first test was, like, that, flakulose mannitol, like, that really. Dr. Deb Mut 08:53Boom. Shalinibhat 08:53You can get tests. Yeah. Now, obviously, we’ve come a long way. So yeah, that’s how I ended up with all these five random modalities that are sort of enmeshed into one, and that’s what we do in my practice. My clinical practice is literally all of those modalities, and we really meet people where they are. So we invite anyone to come to us with, whether they have an MSK issue, and that’s the primary thing they want to work on, we can do it by starting Pilates. We can do it by starting fascial training. We can do it by starting acupuncture. We can do it by running labs and seeing where you are functionally if you want to lower that inflammation, or those stealth infections, or whatever it is that you have going on. So we invite anyone to come in and sort of pick their service menu, because I feel we… we should help everyone, but not everyone feels… like, not everyone’s like, wow, I want to run a school test with you first. They may have the capacity to be like, okay, I’ll try a workout, or I’ll try a Pilates class, you know? And then once they’re in our space, they’re like, oh wait, what else do you offer here? This is really different than where I’ve been. So that’s sort of what my practice is all about. Dr. Deb Muth 09:58I love that. I love that blending of all of the different things, and I think, you know, some of the best practitioners are those who’ve been through things, and it doesn’t have to be that way, but we kind of explore all the different things that could be causing our issue

  5. Jun 22

    Episode 270 – Chronic Symptoms Are a Hidden Message: How to Listen and Finally Heal | Dr. Kelly McCann

    Dr. Deb Muth 00:03What if your diagnosis isn’t actually your diagnosis? What if the fatigue, brain fog, anxiety, and inflammation you’ve been told are normal are actually signals your body is reacting to something in your environment? Something no one ever tested.What if the reason you’re not getting better is because no one is asking the right questions?Today, we’re exposing one of the most overlooked drivers of chronic illness, and why so many people are being dismissed, misdiagnosed, and left without answers.You guys can insert, one of our ads in here, that’d be great.Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting-edge regenerative medicine, and empower you with the tools to heal. I’m Dr. Deb, your medical detective. And today, we’re diving into the hidden drivers of chronic illness through the lens of functional and environmental medicine.If you or someone you love has been diagnosed with a chronic condition or is struggling with unexplained neurological symptoms, like fatigue, brain fog, numbness, or chronic pain. This episode is for you. So, grab your cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you unwind.Settle in, and let’s get started on your journey to deeper healing.Today, I’m joined by Dr. Kelly McCann. A board-certified physician in internal medicine and pediatrics, with advanced training in functional, integrative, and environmental medicine. She’s known for her work in mold illness, chronic infections, MCAS, and complex chronic conditions And for helping patients who have been told everything looks normal. She helps them finally get real answers. Dr. Kelly, welcome to the show. I’m so excited to have you here. Share a little bit about what you’re doing these days, and who you are, and who you’re serving with us. Kelly McCann 02:42Thank you. So, my favorite patient population is patients who deal with complex chronic illness, and I didn’t set out to deal with these kinds of patients, but I kept… needing to be able to solve the puzzles, right? So they would come in, and there would be so many things that just didn’t add up and didn’t make sense, and it started with,it started with just doing functional and integrative medicine, and GI issues, and hormone issues, and autoimmune issues, and then it was mold as a driver, and then it was Lyme disease and the other tick-borne infections, and then all of those patients, many of those patients developed mast cell activation syndrome.Which I’ve now gone on and become an expert in, because they all have it.And all the related conditions with MCAS, the Ehlers-Danlos, hypermobility syndrome, POTS, postural orthostatic tachycardic syndrome, and… The one thing that really stuck out to me over the years of treating these patients is the ones who were willing to take a deep look inside. And see how their… their belief patterns, how their thoughts how they perceived themselves, different traumas that they experienced. If they were able to reframe some of the ways that they were thinking about their illness, about themselves, their relationship to themselves, they were the ones who really healed.And not only did they heal physically, they healed emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. I have some patients who started out disabled, and now are running their own companies. One who, again, same thing, terribly disabled, lots of emotional issues, lots of ups and downs, food sensitivities, oxalate issues, and now she’s a medical intuitive. And she’s just doing fabulously, and has blossomed, right? So, this is a missing piece that we’re not really talking about. Dr. Deb Muth 05:04Yeah, I so agree with you. I see the same thing in my practice, and I treat a lot of the same people you do, and you are so right. Like, if we can get down to a deeper level with them, and address the trauma that happened.And it may be a trauma they never even remembered, right? It could be something that’s just seated in their cells and they don’t remember it. And you don’t directly think it’s causing the illness, but it is getting in the way of them healing. If you can address those things, those are the people that tend to do so much better, I think, versus the people who are getting some mileage out of their illness. That there’s a reason they stay stuck, there’s a reason they stay sick, they’re getting something from it, even though they don’t realize it in the moment.So let’s talk a little bit, before we hopped on the recording, you and I were talking about body, emotion, spirit. A little different than what we’re used to hearing with mind, body, spirit. Talk about your philosophy on this. Kelly McCann 06:01So what I’ve really come to realize is that the mind is getting in the way. And we have this perception that our mind is who we are. Right? We really think that who I am are the thoughts that I have every day. That’s me. And when I’m not getting better, it’s because my body is not… Falling in line with what my mind and my will want to do. So we set up this adversarial relationship. And this has been the philosophy in Western culture since Descartes said, I think therefore I am. Where the mind is supreme, and it is the all-knowing, and the body is just a vehicle for the mind. And every… Therapeutic intervention, from trauma-informed therapy, from, you know, wonderful people who have committed a lot of help and given great information. Bessel van der Kolk, The Body Keeps the Score, Gabor Mate, you know, all of these folks who have done such great work in us understanding trauma I think… The next phase is really recognizing that the body is actually not against us. It is not our enemy. In fact, it is… The body that is speaking to us as the voice piece of our souls and our spirits, that is saying to us, hey. you’re not listening. The path that you are walking down and the way that you are being in the world is not really working for you. It’s not who you are. It’s not who you’re supposed to be on the planet. And we’re trying to get your attention, right? Dr. Deb Muth 07:59Yeah. Kelly McCann 07:59I mean… Dr. Deb Muth 08:00this thing, so I’m gonna talk louder. Kelly McCann 08:02Exactly, exactly! It’s like a little toddler who only can speak in so many words, right? There’s only so many ways that a younger version of ourselves, or our bodies, like, how do our bodies communicate to us? Symptoms and sensations. That’s it. Those are the ways that our bodies communicate. And if we don’t listen to sensations, well, it’s gotta turn it up, it’s gotta turn up the volume, and then we have more symptoms. And then if we’re still like, no, it’s gonna do it my way, it turns up the symptoms some more. And when… We are in this adversarial relationship, we can’t bridge that gap. Can’t bridge that gap, so… What… what happens is thatUnderneath the symptoms and the sensations are emotions. Emotions that have not been processed. Because we’ve been stuffing them down, we believe that they shouldn’t exist, we don’t want to face them, we’re afraid of them, they’re not acceptable, we’re ashamed of them, whatever the reason may be, and they’re stuck in the body. And so the way through is to actually just feel our feelings. Dr. Deb Muth 09:26That’s kind of scary for some people. Kelly McCann 09:28It’s… it’s scary for the… it’s scary for the whole planet! Dr. Deb Muth 09:32For all of this, right? Kelly McCann 09:33For all of us. When we start to feel our feelings, we don’t like it. We’ve been taught it’s not okay. Boys, it’s not okay to cry. Girls, don’t be loud, don’t be angry. You’re a B-I-T-C-H if you do that, right? So there’s so many taboos about feeling our feelings. I have patients who say, I can’t be mad at my father or my mother because I was taught to honor thy father and thy mother. Like, yes, but you’re angry, and guess what?] That ain’t going nowhere until you express it, so… you have a choice. Express it, or hold onto it, and then you just kind of stay here in this space where it’s never expressed. Dr. Deb Muth 10:19Yeah, except in your body, in your physical being, right? Kelly McCann 10:22Except in your physical being. And here’s the magic. Emotions are meant to move through us, right? Emotion. They don’t last for that long!60 to 90 seconds, really? Maybe a couple minutes? Yeah. You really, really feel them. Right? Dr. Deb Muth 10:44Yeah. Kelly McCann 10:46And we’re terrified of that 60 to 90 seconds. Dr. Deb Muth 10:50What might we do to ourselves or to someone in that 60 to 90 seconds, right? I may scream, I may cry, I may not be this person that everybody thinks I’m supposed to be. That person that holds it all together is there for everybody, holds everybody else’s space. So well put together, right? If you’re not that person, then who are you? Are you human? Kelly McCann 11:16Oh, you’re more than human. Yeah, I mean, the way that I would look at it is, I would say, well, you don’t have to put on a show, right? This is really for you. Close the door, lock the… close the windows, get out your pillow. Whatever you need to do. I mean, I have some patients who will write it out. There’s a way to just, like, freeform write, where you don’t actually read it, you just write it out, scribble it out, get it all out on paper, and then burn it, or shred it, or something like that. you can pound a pillow, you can, you know, scream, whatever it is, you can cry. I mean, I think crying is, at least for… for me. Crying is the easiest way to think about it. So, you start crying, you’ve got a few little tears, you know, it’s not too bad, and then it’s a full-on sob, and then at some point, you’re like, okay, I think I need a tissue, right? But it doesn’t last forever

  6. Jun 20

    Episode 274 – Stop Guessing on Chemotherapy: The Live Cell Test Most Doctors Miss

    Dr. Deb Muth 00:02What if I told you that before a single drop of chemotherapy goes into a cancer patient’s body, we can take a blood sample, grow their actual living cancer cells in a lab, and test 70 different drugs against those cells, all outside the patient’s body, to find out which ones actually work. And what if I told you that the conventional oncology doesn’t routinely use this test? Well, today we’re going to talk about why that matters and we’re going to go through and I’m going to share a story that is very personal to me. It’s about a 38 year old man with a rare complex cancer diagnosis and the precision testing that is helping to keep that cancer from progressing. Stay with me. This is one that is going to change how you think about cancer treatment. Dr. Deb Muth 01:05You guys can put a little ad right in here before we start the next segment here. Hey everybody, welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I’m Dr. Deb and today we’re going deep. I mean really deep. It’s some of the most cutting edge cancer testing I have ever seen in clinical practice. Now, normally I don’t talk about cancer. And I would not be sharing this story if it was anyone other than my own family. I do have permission to share and talk about this publicly. So I want to do this. I want to make sure that I share this message. And he is giving his blessing to share this story because we both believe that it can save lives. So his name is Cameron. He’s 38 years old. And he is my son-in-law. And two years ago, he came to me with a small lymph node underneath his arm and a bullseye rash. So of course, being the lime literate person that I am, my first inclination was to say, yeah, this makes sense. You have an enlarged lymph node because you have this bullseye rash. You got bit by the tick. Let’s keep an eye on it. If it doesn’t go away, let me know. So Fast forward a year and a half later, he comes to me and says, mom, what do you think about this? This thing is getting a little bit larger. And I said, yeah, it’s a little larger. Not sure. Let’s keep an eye on it. He wasn’t feeling anything. All his labs looked okay. And then one day he was out chopping wood and he started getting numbness in that arm and he felt it again. And it had exploded in size. And so after some evaluation with my daughter and him, we decided to do a ultrasound. And we thought what was going to come back was a fatty tumor. It felt like one looks like one responded to one. He’s 38 years old. He’s healthy. There’s nothing in our mind that’s ever thinking the result that we’re going to get back. Dr. Deb Muth 03:28Is a possible lymphoma. Needless to say, we were shocked by that ultrasound result. And we go fast forward, we have the biopsy. I requested a total excisional biopsy. I was told by the oncologist that that was old school. They don’t do that that way anymore. And I need to stay out of this. I need to let the experts take care of this because that’s what they do best. And this came from a breast surgeon here in Wisconsin. And so I stepped back for a moment. I let him do his biopsy and what came back was adenocarcinoma of an unknown origin. Had we excised the entire lymph node, we would have had more tissue to work with. I think we could have gotten a better diagnosis. So over the course of the next two and a half, three months, we have some more imaging done. We have some more testing done. They send a pathology out to Mayo Clinic. And what continues to come back is this incongruent test results. If anybody’s ever had this, it’s extremely frustrating. One test shows lymphoma. Now it shows breast cancer. Then the next week it shows estrogen receptor HER2 positive breast cancer. Two weeks later, another test comes back and it says, no, it’s not HER2, it’s triple negative breast cancer. And now it looks like it’s out of the lymph nodes. Now it looks like it’s in the lymph nodes. And we do a PET scan and they can’t find cancer anywhere except in this axilla area. But now we find a lymph node on the right side. So it must have spread.Let’s go ahead and do a biopsy on that. And so they biopsy the right side and the right side comes back with nothing other than tattoo ink. Now, all of this is kind of crazy. I am not a cancer specialist. I want to start by saying that I am not a cancer specialist. What I am sharing today is from a mother-in-law’s perspective, from a medical detective’s perspective, I do know how to do research. I do know how to find answers. And so what I’m going to share with you Dr. Deb Muth 05:54Is totally my opinion and totally my experience. And I’m not telling anybody to do anything different than what their doctors are telling them to do. But I am telling you to ask questions. So I go deep down the rabbit hole and find out that Tattoo Ink can appear like metastatic cancer on a PET scan. And we all know everybody gets tattoos today. They’re all over everyone. And yet we’re not thinking about how this tattoo ink can cause problems for us down the road, not to mention that there are heavy metals in them and it’s a toxin and it’s creating an inflammatory process in your body that your body’s constantly trying to get rid of. So the surgeon says to us, well, yes, that’s normal that that lymph nodes inflamed. It’s normal that there’s tattoo ink in it. The body’s doing what it’s supposed to do. It’s trying to get rid of a toxin. Okay. I will agree with that, but My son-in-law is covered with tattoos everywhere. And why didn’t we mention the tattoo ink that was found in the left axilla? We are only mentioning it in the right axilla. So there’s a lot of controversy, a lot of confusion. Many of you would never know any of this because A, you either don’t look at your lab results. And if you do, you don’t understand what you’re looking at. And that creates a problem for us, right? You don’t know what questions to ask. So we go into the doctor and the doctor tells us you have cancer and we’re going to swoop you in. And in the next two weeks, you’re going to be doing chemotherapy and radiation. And six months from now, we’re going to be doing surgery and there’s no time for questions and you’re scared shitless and you’re just doing what you can to survive. And I get that. And I totally understand that. And I appreciate that. But I’m telling you that If that is your choice, that is your choice. But as you’re doing that, take the time to ask the right questions. When this happened to us, there was a lot of challenging things with the oncology team. Nobody bothered to allow them to be a partner in their care. They dictated their care, but didn’t allow them to be a partner. So, Dr. Deb Muth 08:17Here’s what most oncologists do when patients get a cancer diagnosis. They look at the tumor type, they look at the stage, they look up the NCC guidelines, the National Comprehensive Cancer Network, and they follow the algorithm. Now, I have an enormous respect for conventional oncology. I really do. Working with cancer is probably one of the hardest things in medicine that anyone can do. The advances in this field over the last 10 years have been remarkable. But here’s my issue. Standard treatment assumes your cancer is the same as the cancer in the clinical trial that created the guidelines. It’s assuming that you and your cancer are the exact same as everyone else. You are the unique fingerprint, not the cancer. And this is the problem because your cancer is unique, just as unique as if you had your fingerprint taken, the mutations driving your tumor, the drugs your cancer cells are sensitive to, the metabolic vulnerabilities of your cancer. These are all different from the person sitting next to you in the chemo suite that has the same triple negative breast cancer or HER2 positive breast cancer or prostate cancer or colon cancer that you have. So what do do about that? Well, in my world, in the integrative medicine world, we test precisely, intelligently with the tools that most oncologists have never heard of. Or if they have, they haven’t incorporated it into their treatment modality for a variety of reasons. Either it’s not acceptable by the organization that they work for, they don’t understand it, They’re not going to be able to change their protocol anyway because they have to follow the NCCN protocol. So they don’t do it or they use a portion of it and they don’t do anything outside the protocol. So today I want to cover three things with you, three tools that we used that I think every cancer patient should be asking for when they start treatment or wherever you are in treatment at this point. Dr. Deb Muth 10:44you need to have these tests done. I don’t have any affiliation with any of these companies. I don’t get paid to tell you any of this. So let me just start by saying that I understand the chemistry behind these and how important it is to give you precision cancer treatment. And that’s why I’m talking about them today. The first one we’re going to talk about is the North Star response. This is your cancer surveillance score in the blood. How much cancer is circulating in the blood. The North Star Select, your cancer’s genomic blueprint from a blood draw. And the Datar Cancer Genetic Chemoscale, the live cell drug sensitivity test that tells us which drugs actually kill your cancer. So let’s go. Let’s dive into this. Let me just take a drink here. I’m going to cough a little bit. I apologize. I have this horrible tickle. It just never seems to go away, but that is not for today to discuss. So what is all of this? OK, the North Star response is a test that was developed by a company called Billion to One. And yes, that name is intentional because of the precision involved. It’s a next generation sequencing test, meaning it reads DNA at an incredibly detailed le

  7. Jun 15

    Episode 269 – Peptide Therapy for Women: How BPC-157 & TB-500 Heal Gut, Joints & Inflammation

    Deb 00:00:01Imagine your body has a repair manual, instructions written in your cells that tell tissues how to heal, blood vessels, how to grow, and inflammation when to stop. But what if those instructions got lost somewhere along the way? Well, today I’m talking about peptides, tiny protein fragments that act like biological text messages. Two of them, BPC 157 and TB 500.They’re showing remarkable promise for gut repair, joint recovery, and tissue regeneration. But here’s what nobody’s telling you. Women respond differently to these healing signals, especially during hormonal transitions. And today, we’re uncovering the science behind these regenerative peptides, who actually needs them, and why your doctor might not know about them. Can you guys put our ad right in here and then I’ll go to the standard intro?Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting edge regenerative medicine, and empower you with the tools to heal. I’m Dr. Deb, your medical detective. And today we’re diving into regenerative peptides BPC157 and TB 500. If you or someone you love is struggling with slow recovery from injury, chronic joint pain, gut inflammation that just won’t quit, or you just feel like your body doesn’t bounce back the way it used to, this episode is for you. Grab a cup of coffee or tea or whatever helps you unwind, settle in, and let’s start you on your journey to deeper healing. We’ll do another sponsor break here. Deb 00:01:52So let’s start with the question I hear constantly in my practice. Dr. Deb, I’m doing everything right. I’m eating clean, I’m exercising, I’m taking my supplements, but I’m still not healing. What am I missing? Well, that answer might surprise you. Sometimes it’s not about what you’re putting in your body. It’s about whether your cells are actually receiving the repair signals they need. That’s where peptides come in. Think of peptides as The body’s original communication system. These short chains of amino acids are like biological post-it notes carrying instructions from one cell to another. They tell your human system when to calm down, your blood vessels when to grow and your tissues when to repair. Now here’s where it gets interesting for women specifically. We know that estrogen plays a massive role in collagen production, vascular health, inflammatory response. When estrogen starts declining, whether that’s perimenopause, postpartum, or even from chronic stress, our natural repair mechanisms slow down dramatically. You might notice it as my joints are aching more, I’m a little more fluid filled, you know, they hurt when I bend them, my injuries take twice as long to heal.Gut issues that suddenly appear out of nowhere and no matter what you do, they don’t seem to repair. Skin has lost its elasticity or just this general sense that your body isn’t keeping up anymore. This is where BPC 157 and TB 500 entered the picture. So BPC 157, short for body protection compound 157, is a naturally occurring peptide sequence found in your gastric juices. And according to a 2024 systemic review published in emerging use of BPC 157 in orthopedic sports medicine, this peptide promotes something called angiogenesis. That’s the formation of new blood vessels and they deliver oxygen and nutrients to damaged tissues. Now TB 500 is a synthetic fragment of thymus and beta-4. Deb 00:04:17A protein your body makes naturally during wound healing and research published in therapeutic peptides in orthopedics in 2025 shows that it works like a cellular first responder rushing to injury sites and coordinating tissue repair through a process called actin regulation. But here’s what makes these peptides different from just taking another supplement. They don’t force your body to do anything.They simply remind yourselves how to heal the way they used to. And for women navigating hormonal changes, autoimmune flares, chronic inflammatory conditions, that distinction matters enormously. all right, let’s get into some of these mechanisms because understanding how something works helps you make informed decisions about whether or not it’s right for you. So,Let’s look at the science. Do these peptides actually work? And if so, how do they work? Let’s start with BPC 157. This works through multiple pathways simultaneously. First, it activates growth factor receptors that stimulate fibroblasts. Those are the cells responsible for making collagen and rebuilding connective tissue. And according to research published in Frontiers and Pharmacology in 2023, titled Regeneration or Risk, BPC 157 also modulates nitric oxide signaling, which enhances vascular repair and reduces oxidative stress at the cellular level. So this is really important because many of us are nitric oxide deficient, especially as we get older, especially since the pandemic, we’re seeing a lot of people being more deficient in nitric oxide and you’re taking nitric oxide, many of you, to help with this process. But if we’re having other issues that don’t allow that nitric oxide to get where it needs to go, that could render it completely useless. So in plain English, when we’re talking about how BPC 157 helps the blood vessels work better and protects your mitochondria, big word for your energy factories and your cells from that inflammatory damage. Deb 00:06:38Now there’s studies in musculoskeletal and gastroenterology models that show BPC157 decreases inflammatory cytokines like TNF-alpha and IL-6. And these are chemical messengers that keep inflammation turned on. So by dialing them down, BPC157 creates an environment where healing can actually happen. Now, where do we know about this?TNFL and IL-6, well, we know it from viruses, we know it from Lyme disease, we know it from mold toxicity. These cytokines are turned up, they’re creating a massive inflammatory response in the body, and you’re struggling to get these things down because of that or potentially other reasons. So here’s where it gets really interesting with women in perimenopause or menopause. When estrogen declines, collagen synthesis slows down. And that’s why we see increased joint pain, slower wound healing, and our changes in the skin’s elasticity during this transition. We see the little wrinkles, the fine lines, we see the subcutaneous fat going away a little bit more. This is partially why this is occurring. And so from research shown in the Journal of Orthopedic Research in 2023 by Leibowitz and colleagues, that they suggest that BPC157 affects on the endothelial layers. So the cells lining the blood vessels and these may mimic some of the estrogen’s protective vascular effects without actually affecting your hormone levels. This is really huge because we know that as women lose estrogen, they have a higher risk for vascular events, heart attack, stroke, things like that. And if people have already had a heart attack or a stroke, We typically recommend that they don’t use estrogen because that could potentiate the risk for another heart attack or a stroke. But that means that you don’t gain the benefits of estrogen either. So if we think about this, we could potentially use BPC 157 to give us some of the benefits that we lost from having estrogen and potentially not being able to use estrogen. And that would be huge for us. Deb 00:08:57And not to mention the reduction of inflammation and the joint pain and the wound healing and the energy and the gut feelings. I mean, there’s just so many benefits to BPC 157 that we could talk about them all day long. But we’ve got to move on. So let’s talk about TB 500. Now this peptide works very differently. Its primary job is promoting cell migration, essentially telling repair cells to go to this spot and what to do when they get there. So it sends a signal, puts a little post-it stamp there and says, Hey, when you get there, fix A, B, C, and D. And there was a study in 2024 in cell biology international that demonstrated that TB 500 increases epithelial closure and improves tendon elasticity in models of repetitive strain injury. So let’s think about that a little bit. What does that really mean?That means faster recovery from exercise induced muscle damage, better healing of overuse injuries like tennis elbow or plantar fasciitis, improved scar tissue remodeling after surgery or a C-section, enhanced recovery from chronic inflammatory conditions affecting soft tissues. And I’ve talked about this several times. I have used these compounds post-surgical personally.And I remember going back to see my surgeon at the two to three week mark for follow-up. And she was amazed at how well everything was healing. And when I asked her if she wanted to know what I was doing, her response was no, but keep doing whatever you’re doing because it’s working. And after three weeks of a major pelvic repair surgery that I had, four hours in surgery, lots of sutures, not comfortable. I was actually walking a mile and didn’t have pain and I was recovering really well and felt amazing. And that is just not typically heard of in surgical procedures like mine. It’s usually a minimum of a six to eight week recovery before you’re starting to do that again. And I give all of the credit to these two peptides. Deb 00:11:17In my clinical practice, I see this play out constantly. Women who train hard, whether that’s CrossFit, running, yoga, or just trying to keep up with active kids, often hit a wall where their recovery can’t keep up pace with their activity level. And TB 500 helps to bridge that gap by optimizing the body’s natural repair timeline. But here’s what I want to emphasize with you. These peptides aren’t magic bullets.They work best when we combine them with proper nutrition and anti-inflammatory diet, adequate sleep, stress management, and we ad

  8. Jun 10

    Episode 268 – Mold+Lyme+Genetics: The Root Cause Most Doctors Miss

    Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:09Hi there, how are you? Bob Miller 00:00:10Excellent! Pedaling as fast as humanly possible, but doing okay. Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:14Good, good. Well, I’m looking forward to our conversation today. This should be amazing. Bob Miller 00:00:20Yeah, it should be a lot of fun. Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:22Yeah, anything that’s off-limits for you in, our conversation? Bob Miller 00:00:28No. Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:29Okay, anything you want me to make sure we cover for you? Bob Miller 00:00:33Well, I mean, is it okay if we put a little plug-in for our software? Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:35Absolutely. Bob Miller 00:00:36Yeah. Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:37Absolutely. Bob Miller 00:00:36Yeah. Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:37Absolutely. Bob Miller 00:00:38Hey, can we… can we do a screen share? Yes, we can. Yeah, because I want to show you some maps, and… Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:43Okay. Things like that, yeah, so… Perfect. So just let me know when you want to do screen share. Bob Miller 00:00:48Okay. Dr. Deb Muth 00:00:49And yeah, feel free to plug your software wherever you want to. Bob Miller 00:00:53Okay, well, good. Let me pull up a, a slide for that, and give me one second, I just want to shut the door to my office to get the noise down. Dr. Deb Muth 00:01:01No worries. Bob Miller 00:01:16And, how should I refer to you? Dr. Debb? Dr. Muth, what do you like? Dr. Deb Muth 00:01:18Dr. Deb is great, or Deb, either way, I’m pretty informal, so… Bob Miller 00:01:22Yeah, and… Bob is fine for me. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. Why people feel like they need this, son. Special name, it’s like, seriously. Dr. Deb Muth 00:01:33Right? I agree. Bob Miller 00:01:35When I work with my clients, it’s like, Dr. Millison, just, just bop, just, just bop. Dr. Deb Muth 00:01:41Yep, that’s how I am, too. Just call me Deb, it’s good. Dr. Deb Muth 00:01:44They feel a little awkward with that, you know? They’re not used to that, but… Bob Miller 00:01:48Alright. And you’re a naturopath, medical doctor. Dr. Deb Muth 00:01:52A nastropathic doctor and a nurse practitioner. Oh, nice. Yeah, so I got the best of both worlds, right? Bob Miller 00:01:58Yeah, damn. Okay. Alright, so here we go… There we go. Alright, so I got that ready, and then I will do a, I will do a screen share. I think you’re gonna really, appreciate what we’ve come up with. We’ve come up with the concept of, Cellular CPR. Dr. Deb Muth 00:02:23Oh, nice! Bob Miller 00:02:24And that is, construct the cell membrane, Protect the cell membrane. And restore it if it’s damaged. Dr. Deb Muth 00:02:32Love that. Bob Miller 00:02:34I love that. Yeah, so that’s what we’re focusing on, and then how, You know, we want to get to the point that, you know, most people think of genetics, they think of, like, 23andMe or Ancestry. Dr. Deb Muth 00:02:44Yeah. Bob Miller 00:02:45And then you have the professional geneticists who are looking at, you know, odd things that could create a disease. We’re looking at functional genomics. Dr. Deb Muth 00:02:54Which is so much better. Bob Miller 00:02:56Yeah. Are you familiar with what we do here, or… Dr. Deb Muth 00:02:58A little bit, a little bit. So, it’ll be new to me, too, so I’m excited. Bob Miller 00:03:03And how much time do we have? Dr. Deb Muth 00:03:04We have an hour, give or take a little bit on either side. Do you have a hard stop anywhere? Bob Miller 00:03:10No, no, I put a, I moved my clients around, and I don’t have anybody till, 3.30, so we’re good. Okay. Dr. Deb Muth 00:03:16Perfect. Alright. Bob Miller 00:03:18It’s like we’re getting started early as well, so… Dr. Deb Muth 00:03:19Yeah, we’re getting started a little bit early, so that’s good. Bob Miller 00:03:22Yeah, I just got my office cleaned up, so… Dr. Deb Muth 00:03:23Okay, good. All right, are you all set to get started? Bob Miller 00:03:28I’m good to go, my friend. Dr. Deb Muth 00:03:29I’m gonna just record a little intro and a little bit of a, hook for people, and then we’ll get started. I’ll ask you to kind of tell us a little bit about yourself, and then we’ll just take this conversation wherever it’s supposed to go. Bob Miller 00:03:39Okay, you got it. Dr. Deb Muth 00:03:40Alright, sounds good. So what if the reason you’re not healing isn’t your diet, your supplements, or your labs, but it’s actually your genes? Dr. Bob Miller is uncovering how genetic variants, when combined with modern toxins, explain why some of us stay sick no matter what we try. Today, we’re talking genetic pathways, detox blocks, and the new science every wellness warrior needs to know.Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, exploring cutting-edge regenerative medicine, and empower you to heal from the inside out. I’m Dr. Deb, your medical detective, and today, our guest, Dr. Bob Miller, is a true pioneer in functional genomics. He’s a board-certified traditional naturopath and the founder of Neutrogenetic Research Institute. And he’s the leading groundbreaking research on how genetic variants influence chronic illness, inflammation, and detoxification. His work has been recognized on international stages, uncovering links between genetic expression and conditions like Lyme disease, mast cell activation, or MCAS, and mitochondrial dysfunction. I’m so excited to talk to Dr. Bob today. He is gonna reveal some things that even I don’t know about, so I’m excited to learn alongside of you guys. So… Dr. Bob, let’s get started. Tell us a little bit about yourself, and kind of how you got on this journey. Bob Miller 00:05:04Well, that’s, that’s interesting. I was sort of like a mid-career coming to the natural health field, because in my early 30s, I found myself with a severe case of ulcerative colitis. Bob Miller 00:05:15And I was in the hospital for 21 days. probably within hours of death, pleading to death. And they told me I’ve got one option, and that is cut out the colon and wear a bag. Didn’t sound like a lot of fun. Dr. Deb Muth 00:05:27Not an option I would want. Bob Miller 00:05:29So, you know, the medical folks wasn’t real happy with me, but I said, yeah, I’d like to explore some alternative things.Never thinking that I’d get into this field, and then I just, you know, worked with some herbalists and things that I found absolutely fascinating. So, that’s how I got into this around 30 years ago. And, haven’t looked back since, and just having a… having a blast as we now move into how our genetics impacts things. So, that’s what we’re gonna… that’s what we’re gonna talk about today. Dr. Deb Muth 00:05:58I’m excited to talk about this genetic thing. When you started over 30 years ago, what kind of patience and problems first inspired you to dig deeper into that root cause healing and kind of get into the genetic piece of it? Bob Miller 00:06:10Sure. Well, you know, as a… now, I’m in a part of the country called Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where there’s a lot of Amish and Mennonite, and they gravitate towards these things.So, this is their first thing to do, and that doesn’t work, then they’ll go other routes. So, you know, back then, we just saw typical, you know, a little tired, constipation. You know, a little bit of fatigue, arthritis, those kind of things. But things have changed dramatically over the years, as people are now getting more chronically sick. You know, it’s worse than it’s ever been. And what we’re finding is the, the culpritsPrimarily is mold exposure and Lyme disease. When people get those two together, they’re just… it’s an inflammatory cascade that nobody can seem to unravel. So that’s where we spend a lot of our time. And we’re also spending a lot of time looking at mental health, like ADD, ADHD. And, we give… this year I’ll be speaking at three autism conferences. And we can dig into that a little bit as to why we think we’re seeing such a dramatic increase. And aside from autism, that used to be 1 out of 1,000, now it’s 1 out of 33, or 23. You know, we’re also seeing dramatic increases in ADD, ADHD. People are stressed out. And today, I think we’ll have the time to actually go through and show how environmental factors combine with genetics to cause that to happen. So we’ll… we should have a fun visit here today. And today, I think we’ll have the time to actually go through and show how environmental factors combine with genetics to cause that to happen. So we’ll… we should have a fun visit here today. Dr. Deb Muth 00:07:37This should be a fun visit. We can cover lots of topics. I am so excited. So, you founded Nutri Genetic Research Institute in 2015. What did you hope to accomplish, and what kind of surprised you in your findings so far about that? Bob Miller 00:07:51Well, you know, let’s back up at what, you know, genetics is used for. Everybody’s familiar with 23andMe and Ancestry that, you know, tells you where your ancestors came from.Then you have your professional geneticists. I mean, these are people with a degree in genetics. And they’ll look for, you know, very odd sort of things that are prone to relate to a disease. So there are disease-related genetics. Well, in functional, we don’t look at either of those. We look at For example, how you’re breaking down your fats and utilizing them. How you’re recycling your glutathione. How you might be handling your iron.And none of those are disease-causing on their own.And none of those are disease-causing on their own. But when they pile up on you, and then combine that with environmental factors, that’s when things start to go south on us. So, that’s what we’

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