Dream of Italy

Kathy McCabe/Dream of Italy
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If you dream of Italy, host Kathy McCabe and her fascinating guests are here to make your Italian travel dreams come true whether you're seeking life transformation life with a move to Italy or simply want to make your Italian vacation as authentic as possible. McCabe is the host of the PBS TV travel series Dream of Italy and founded the award-winning travel publication Dream of Italy in 2002. Our episodes - mostly recorded on the road in Italy - cover everything from picking the best cooking schools and villa rentals to gaining Italian citizenship and starting a new chapter in Italy...

  1. 1d ago

    Episode #30: Moving to Turin on Italy's Digital Nomad Visa

    Most people dreaming of moving to Italy land on the obvious cities. Molly Bossardt went somewhere else entirely: Turin, and seven months in, she has no regrets. She's Kathy McCabe's guest on this episode of the Dream of Italy Podcast. Molly is an American digital marketer and small business owner who spent a decade in New York City, moved back to Virginia during the pandemic, and eventually realized that suburban life just was not going to cut it. With no European ancestry and no easy path to citizenship, she spent years watching Italy from a distance until Italy announced its Digital Nomad Visa in 2024. Over a year and a half later, she landed in Turin with two cats, a signed lease, and a city she had never once set foot in. Molly walks Kathy through the full arc of making it happen: navigating the notoriously unresponsive Philadelphia consulate, changing her permanent residency to Florida just to get an appointment through Miami, assembling a packet thick enough to have a table of contents, and getting approved in two weeks when she had braced herself for six months. She also gets into the realities of finding an apartment in Turin before having a visa in hand, the upfront costs that catch people off guard, and why the lease registration process became its own small ordeal. The conversation goes well beyond paperwork. Molly shares what daily life in Turin actually looks like: the affordable rents that embarrass comparable American cities, the thriving expat community she found through the International Women's Club, the co-working spaces scattered across a city that turns out to be far more entrepreneurial than its reputation suggests, and the honest emotional arc of those first months including the loneliness, the illness, the brief relationship that combusted too fast, and the slow realization that this is real life now, not a vacation. She also makes a genuine case for why Turin keeps getting overlooked and why everyone who lives there seems to love it without reservation. Turin keeps coming up as one of Italy's best-kept secrets. If you've been sleeping on it, this episode might change that. Find show notes for this podcast episode at https://dreamofitaly.com/30

  2. 4d ago

    Episode #29: What It Is Really Like to Move to Italy, Especially Milan

    Moving to Milan from San Francisco is one thing. Doing it with a German Shepherd born in Tehran to enter a photography Master's degree program is another story entirely. Michael TenBrink spent 17 years in San Francisco before relocating to Milan in 2022 with his husband Andrew, an architect and polyglot who had been studying Italian for over 20 years. In this Dream of Italy Podcast Episode with Host Kathy McCabe, Michael walks through how a vision session with giant Post-it notes on the sliding glass doors of their Berkeley, CA home turned into a full commitment to move, why they originally planned to move to Verona and what redirected them to Milan, and how they found their apartment in the Isola neighborhood on the very first viewing, six months before they actually moved in. Michael offers an honest account of what living in Milan looks like day to day, from navigating healthcare through a hospitalization where he did not speak the language to spending three and a half years working toward an A1 Italian level despite classes, tutors and a year-long course through the city's Comune. He covers the air quality in the Po Valley, why he came to love Milan winters after years in California, and how joining a 70-person LGBT choir became his strategy for meeting people after his photography program ended. The conversation also covers their purchase of a lakeside apartment on the northeast shore of Lake Como, well past the crowds of Varenna and Bellagio, and how they reach it by direct train without a car. For those researching moving to Milan, buying property in northern Italy or wondering what it actually takes to ship a large dog to Europe, Michael's account covers the details most relocation content leaves out. Find show notes for this podcast episode at https://dreamofitaly.com/29

  3. Oct 14

    Episode #28: American Family Moving to Milan

    Elizabeth Yanev decided to take a leap and move her family to Milan.  A former fashion industry professional turned interior designer, Elizabeth spent 16 years in New York City before relocating to Milan with her husband and young son. In this Dream of Italy Podcast Episode with host Kathy McCabe, she shares how she toured 26 apartments in four days, navigated a family reunification visa that changed weeks before their move date and landed a rental through a contact who knew agents before anything hit the market. Elizabeth also breaks down Italy's traditional 4+4 lease structure, what quarterly rent payments actually mean and why Italian tenant law puts landlords in a more cautious position than most Americans expect. But the conversation goes well beyond logistics. Elizabeth talks about enrolling her son at an American school in Milan with more than 70 nationalities represented, why the Italian food culture dissolved every anxiety she had about healthy eating for kids and what the air pollution in Milan actually feels like day to day. She covers the walkability of Milan's center, the proximity to skiing in the Dolomites, the social energy of events like Salone del Mobile and her honest take on what it takes to build a community in Milan, a city where she knew nobody initially. Whether you are researching moving to Milan, living in Italy as a family or wondering how the Italian visa process actually works, Elizabeth's firsthand account covers the realities most Italy relocation content glosses over. Find show notes for this podcast episode at https://dreamofitaly.com/28

  4. Sep 28

    Episode #27: Why Americans Are Moving to Milan with Arlene Gibbs

    If you have ever wondered whether Milan deserves a place on your list of cities to live in Italy, this Dream of Italy Podcast episode with host Kathy McCabe makes a strong case. Arlene Antoinette Gibbs is an American writer and interior designer who lived in Rome for years before making the move to Milan. Having experienced expat life in both cities firsthand, she brings a candid and nuanced perspective on what it actually means to relocate within Italy and why Milan is far more livable than its reputation suggests. Arlene shares why she chose Milan over staying in Rome: better public transportation, a more international business environment and a city that functions as the economic engine of the entire country with thriving sectors in design, fashion, tech and engineering. She also gets into the realities of finding an apartment in Milan, where housing prices have risen 34% and inventory is tight, and why working with a licensed real estate agent made all the difference. The conversation covers the cost of living in Milan, the city's food scene, the energy of Milan Design Week, the social culture and the honest tradeoffs compared to life in Rome including the winter weather and air pollution. Arlene also shares her thoughts on Turin as an alternative for those who want city life at a slower pace and lower cost. Which Italian city is calling your name? Let us know in the comments and subscribe for more move to Italy podcasts from Dream of Italy. Find show notes for this podcast episode at https://dreamofitaly.com/27

  5. Sep 22

    Episode #26: Renovating A House in Italy, Sicily One Euro Houses and More

    Thinking about buying or renovating a house in Sicily? Dream of Italy Podcast host Kathy McCabe sits down with builder and project manager Scott Thompson of The Sicily Projects to break down what it is like to buy and renovate a home in Italy and specifically Sicily. He discusses the real cost of one euro houses, dealing with Italian renovation delays, securing permits, fighting damp and mold, where to buy in Italy, and the biggest mistakes foreigners make when renovating in Italy.  Scott also shares his own move from Manchester to Sicily, what life is really like in smaller Sicilian towns, and why he believes more people will trade city life for a slower, simpler life in Italy. Find show notes for this podcast episodes at https://dreamofitaly.com/26

  6. Sep 17

    Episode #25: The Real Move to Italy Talk Beyond TikTok Trends and One Euro Houses

    If you have ever asked "where in Italy should I actually live?" this Dream of Italy Podcast episode with host Kathy McCabe is exactly what you need to hear. Damien O'Farrell is one of Italy's most experienced relocation experts, based in Rome with nearly 40 years of helping people make the move to Italy. In this conversation with Kathy, he cuts through the noise of TikTok trends and one-euro house headlines to offer something far more valuable: a clear framework for figuring out which part of Italy is actually right for you. His questions are practical and direct. Damien and Kathy work through a wide range of destinations city by city and region by region. Milan is drawing high net worth individuals from Dubai and London thanks to a 300,000€ yearly flat tax and a luxury property market that still delivers strong value. This episode is one of the most honest and wide-ranging conversations available on choosing where to live in Italy and it is worth listening more than once as your move to Italy plans take shape. Leave your top contender in the comments and subscribe to Dream of Italy for more on living and retiring in Italy. Find show notes for this podcast episodes at https://dreamofitaly.com/25

  7. Sep 9

    Episode #24: The Best Places to Move in Italy

    What are the best places for Americans to Move in Italy? This Dream of Italy Podcast episode with host Kathy McCabe might just answer that question. Kathy is joined by Alessandro Palombo, an Italian entrepreneur and fintech co-founder of Bitzenship.com who has lived across Italy, the United States and Portugal. Having spent years observing how foreigners approach relocation to Italy, Alessandro brings a rare insider perspective to one of the most common questions among aspiring expats: where in Italy should Americans actually move? Alessandro walks through a practical framework for finding the right fit, covering well-known regions like Puglia, Sicily, Sardinia, Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna alongside overlooked destinations like Ravenna and Molise. He shares what most move to Italy content gets wrong, why renting before buying matters and how to evaluate a town beyond its tourist reputation. The conversation also covers the little-known Italian investor visa that could be the solution for those seeking Italian residency in an effort to move to Italy.  Find show notes for this podcast episodes at https://dreamofitaly.com/24

  8. Sep 9

    Episode #23: Italy's One Euro Houses in Mussomeli Sicily

    We've all heard of these one euro houses for sale in Italy, especially in Sicily. But who do you know who has actually bought one, let alone two? Joss Tillard-Gates is an American businessman who bought two adjoining one euro houses sight unseen in Mussomeli Sicily with the intention of connecting them into one larger home. In this Dream of Italy Podcast Episode with Kathy McCabe, Joss explains how this one euro dream was born after reading a news article late at night and how he got his wife's buy-in for what seemed like a crazy idea. Joss gets into what the real fees are like beyond the one euro price tag for each and explains how finding the right project manager mattered more than anything else. Joss explains what makes Mussomeli attractive including the slow pace, quintessential piazza and family friendly atmosphere. As always, we urge everyone to do due diligence when making these kinds of real estate purchases and making sure you have proper visas to live there if residency is your goal as we have heard of some issues when buying in Mussomeli. Dreaming of a one euro home in Italy? Find show notes for this podcast episodes at https://dreamofitaly.com/23

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If you dream of Italy, host Kathy McCabe and her fascinating guests are here to make your Italian travel dreams come true whether you're seeking life transformation life with a move to Italy or simply want to make your Italian vacation as authentic as possible. McCabe is the host of the PBS TV travel series Dream of Italy and founded the award-winning travel publication Dream of Italy in 2002. Our episodes - mostly recorded on the road in Italy - cover everything from picking the best cooking schools and villa rentals to gaining Italian citizenship and starting a new chapter in Italy...

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  • Creator
    Kathy McCabe/Dream of Italy
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    31
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2019-2023 Dream of Italy, Inc.
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    Dream of Italy

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