Payne Points of Wealth

Ryan Payne

Welcome to the Payne Points of Wealth: The podcast that addresses all the pain points that come with creating your wealth, growing your wealth, and sustaining your wealth. Hosted by the Family Wealth Experts of Payne Capital Management, Bob, Ryan & Chris Payne. On a weekly basis, they deliver timely strategies and solutions for the pain points that come with building, preserving and managing your wealth.

  1. FEB 20

    Gold, Silver, Small Caps & the Case for Contrarian Investing | with Bob Killen

    In this wide-ranging and thought-provoking episode of Payne Points of Wealth, Bob, Ryan & Chris Payne sit down with legendary small-cap value investor Bob Killen, who brings more than 60 years of market experience to the table. The conversation kicks off with a timely debate on gold and silver, sparked by a now viral quote from Bob Killen: “There are only two people in the world who truly understand gold—and they disagree on the price.” With precious metals going parabolic and emotions running hot, Bob offers a calm, long-term framework for thinking about gold—not just as an inflation hedge, but as a reflection of global wealth, supply and demand, and central bank behavior. His long-term price outlook may surprise you. From there, the discussion broadens into the health of today’s market, highlighting the shift away from a narrow, mega-cap-led rally toward a much broader and healthier market, with strength in transports, small caps, commodities, and industrial names. Bob shares why this moment may resemble the 1950s more than the 1970s or 1990s, and what that could mean for investors over the next decade. As a lifelong contrarian, Bob explains why he prefers buying what nobody wants—and names specific areas he believes are currently out of favor, including insurance stocks, REITs, and overlooked small-cap industrial companies. He also explains why discipline, patience, and risk management matter far more than being “right.” The episode closes with some of Bob’s most valuable wisdom: • Why emotion is the enemy of good investing • The danger of falling in love with a stock • Lessons learned from bankruptcy, bubbles, and booms • And why avoiding big mistakes matters more than chasing big wins Whether you’re navigating gold mania, questioning AI euphoria, or looking for opportunities beyond the Magnificent Seven, this episode is packed with hard earned insights, historical perspective, and timeless investment lessons.  Don’t miss this masterclass in long-term thinking from one of the great small-cap investors of our time.

    46 min
  2. FEB 12

    The New American Mining Revolution: Silver, Antimony & U.S. Independence with Gary Evans & Paul Huet

    In Episode 232 of the Payne Points of Wealth, Ryan and Chris Payne sit down with two industry heavyweights leading the charge in America’s critical minerals resurgence: Gary Evans, Chairman & CEO of United States Antimony Corporation (UAMY), and Paul Huet, Chairman & CEO of Americas Gold and Silver Corporation (USAS). In one of the most energetic and eye‑opening conversations we’ve ever hosted, Gary and Paul reveal how their newly announced joint venture is poised to reshape U.S. supply chains for antimony—a mineral essential for defense, electrification, battery technology, solar, and the rapidly expanding AI-driven economy. Together, they walk us through: The global silver shortage – why the world has been undersupplied by 200 million ounces per year for five straight years, and why silver under $50 may be gone forever. A behind-the-scenes look at their 30‑day whirlwind deal – how two American companies moved faster than anyone expected to launch a first‑of‑its‑kind U.S. antimony processing partnership. Why this may be the beginning of a commodity super-cycle – and why mining equities may still be dramatically undervalued even after silver’s massive run. How U.S. companies are racing to reduce dependence on China – from Project Vault to new domestic refining technologies. Reviving Idaho’s historic Silver Valley – including upgrading decades-old mines, modernizing extraction methods, tripling output, and unlocking a 100‑year district. The real bottleneck in critical minerals – not technology, but feedstock, and why partnerships like this could become the new template. The role of defense spending, allies, and national security in America’s next industrial revolution. Stories from decades in mining, deal-making, and global operations, including Gary’s wild experiences sourcing antimony around the world, and Paul’s journey from underground driller in Canada to CEO. Plus, Paul shares the song that changed his worldview growing up and tells the unbelievable story behind his mining tattoos and how he ended up running some of the top mining companies globally. This episode is fast-paced, loaded with insights, and captures a moment that could shape America’s mineral independence for decades to come. If you care about how commodities can play a vital role in your investment portfolio, national security, or the future of U.S. manufacturing, this is a must-listen.

    50 min
  3. JAN 30

    2026 Market Shock: Adam Johnson Predicts a 20% Drop and a Massive Rally?

    In this week’s episode, we sit down with Adam Johnson, Portfolio Manager of the Bullseye American Ingenuity Fund and author of the widely followed Bullseye Brief. Adam brings his signature 1980’s Wall St. energy as we dive deep into current market dynamics, the power (and pitfalls) of short sellers, the AI productivity boom, inflation surprises, and what investors should brace for in 2026. We kick things off with Adam sharing some of his biggest surprises from the past year—including why several of his high‑conviction names stalled out despite strong fundamentals. From Toast to SMCI, Adam breaks down how aggressive short-selling and the removal of the SEC’s old “uptick rule” have reshaped market behavior in the age of algorithmic trading. From there, we zoom out to the macro landscape: Why falling oil prices were the real inflation antidote in 2025 How AI is already creating meaningful productivity gains Why profit margins remain at historic highs despite tariffs, geopolitical tension, & political chaos And why, even after a massive run, the AI trade may only be in a consolidation phase—not the end of the story Then we look ahead. Adam reveals his two biggest predictions for 2026: 1. A market that climbs far higher than anyone expects thanks to accelerating earnings and a surprisingly strong U.S. economy. 2. A political “blue wave” scare in Q2 that could spark a sudden 20% pullback—only to set up an even more powerful rally as spending ramps up. We also get into: Whether oil is headed for the low $50s—and why that could be wildly bullish The “everything rally” and where value, growth, international, and commodities fit in now Why investor sentiment still isn’t too hot… and why that matters The biggest real risks no one is talking about How to stay disciplined when the market tries to shake you out Finally, Adam shares the moment he knew he’d fully matured as a portfolio manager—and why long-term conviction is the ultimate superpower in the face of noise. This is one of our most wide-ranging, high-energy conversations of the year. If you care about where markets are headed—and how to position for the year ahead—you don’t want to miss it.

    44 min
  4. JAN 22

    Building Tech for the 42 Million Americans Silicon Valley Forgot

    In this inspiring episode of the Payne Points of Wealth, Ryan sits down with Jimmy Chen—founder and CEO of Propel, the groundbreaking fintech company modernizing America’s social safety net and serving millions of low‑income families each month. Jimmy shares his remarkable journey from arriving in Kansas City as a four‑year‑old immigrant from China with parents who had just $200, to becoming a Stanford graduate, early product manager at LinkedIn and Facebook, and ultimately the creator of one of the most impactful social‑good tech companies in the country. You’ll hear: How Jimmy’s childhood shaped his relationship with money, scarcity, and grit—including his early “entrepreneurial” idea to sell his toys to avoid being a burden on his family   His realization that Silicon Valley was building tech for people like themselves, not for the millions relying on programs like SNAP.   The company’s 11‑year journey—from 60 investor rejections and a $12,000 Kickstarter, to raise $90 million from top VCs and investors like Serena Williams and Kevin Durant.   Why Jimmy hires self-reliance, resilience, and at least one successful —not pedigree.   The massive role AI now plays in Propel’s product, customer support, and internal operations.   What he believes the future of education, work, and technology will look like in an AI‑driven world. Jimmy also opens up about the “chip on his shoulder” to succeed, his father’s work ethic, why frugality helped and hindered him, and the music that shaped him as a kid, navigating life in a new culture. This is a powerful story of ambition and purpose—proof that game‑changing ideas don’t just come from Silicon Valley, but from childhood uncertainty and a deep commitment to help those less fortunate in our country.   Tune in for a conversation that’s heartfelt, eye‑opening, and packed with wisdom for entrepreneurs, parents, and anyone navigating big decisions about money, purpose, and impact

    49 min
  5. JAN 10

    Markets were great in 2025—but that may be the problem.

    2025 was a stellar year for investors—but will the same playbook work in 2026? In this episode of Payne Points of Wealth, Ryan Payne, Bob, Chris, and special guest Aaron Dessen kick off the new year by reflecting on an unexpected, across‑the‑board winning year in markets—and then pivot to what really matters now: what could derail your portfolio in 2026. The team breaks down 5 key hurdles investors must watch in the coming year, including geopolitical shocks, Fed rate cuts, the dangers of sitting in cash, speculative “casino‑like” market behavior, and the growing risk of chasing last year’s returns. From surprise upside volatility during global conflicts to why money markets are not a long‑term solution, this episode challenges many of today’s popular investing assumptions. You’ll also hear a candid discussion on: Why no one—not even experts—can reliably predict markets The hidden risks of FOMO in late‑stage bull markets Whether gold, silver, and commodities still belong in portfolios after a big run The difference between investing and speculating in leveraged ETFs and momentum trades Why diversification and discipline matter more than ever in hot economic conditions In the second half of the show, the team performs a real‑world Financial Autopsy, analyzing the portfolio of a retired couple in their late 70s. Aaron walks through how excessive equity exposure, high‑fee mutual funds, and poor tax efficiency put retirees at serious risk—despite “good performance” on paper. The group highlights how reallocating toward income, reducing downside risk, and aligning investments with actual retirement goals can dramatically improve peace of mind. This episode is a powerful reminder that: Bull markets reward confidence—but they also hide risk. Whether you’re approaching retirement, already retired, or just wondering how to position your portfolio for an unpredictable 2026, Episode 228 delivers timely perspective, practical insights, and a healthy dose of market realism. Don’t miss this essential start‑to‑the‑year conversation.

    23 min
  6. 12/18/2025

    The “Ozempic Portfolio”: Leverage & FOMO! | Ep#227

    Markets are printing fresh highs, yet some investors are getting crushed—how does that happen? In this roundtable, Ryan Payne, Bob Payne, Courtney Garcia, and Frankie Lagrotteria break down a real case of a couple in their late 50s whose “do‑anything‑to-go-faster” portfolio relied on leverage and crowd‑favorite names…right as they approach full retirement. We dissect why speculation masquerading as strategy can implode even in up markets, why “know what you own and why you own it” matters more than ever, and how to rebuild a plan centered on durable income and disciplined risk management. You’ll hear why the “Ozempic portfolio” analogy fits—everyone wants the quick fix—but lasting wealth still requires basics: diversified exposure, sensible cash flow, and rules that keep emotions out of the driver’s seat. We also cover today’s opportunities to generate income (value, small caps, international, REITs, and bonds at still‑elevated yields), our 5% rebalance discipline, and the investor psychology traps that move the goalposts until a margin call makes the decision for you. As Bob puts it: time passes, markets operate—embrace that principle, and you’ll stop chasing the cool kids and start compounding with the rich ones. What we cover: Why leverage is a “rocket booster” on both gains and losses—and how portfolios can sink while indexes rise The danger of fashion FOMO: copying friends, gym talk, or headlines instead of a plan Income blindness: several million invested but only ~$4K/year in cash flow—why that’s a retirement red flag Today’s income playbook: value, small caps, international, REITs, and bonds (with yields still attractive) Discipline over drama: our 5% rebalance trigger and rules that keep feelings from running your money Investor psychology: goalpost‑moving, “being right twice” in speculation, and volatility as the fee for long‑term returns Practical steps to audit and de‑risk before retirement Key takeaways: Know what you own and why. Double‑levered bets can fall even when the market is up—understand the mechanics before you buy. Build real cash flow. Retirement works best when your portfolio pays you, so diversify toward durable income sources. Write your rules. Pre‑commit to rebalance triggers, position limits, and exit criteria to avoid emotional decisions. Approximately right beats precisely wrong. You don’t need to predict the next macro move; you need a plan you can stick to. Calls to action: If you’re within 5–10 years of retirement, run a leverage and income audit on your portfolio. Want help building a rules‑based, income‑focused plan? Schedule a consult with the Payne Capital team and let’s put discipline to work: paynecm.com/financialplan/ — Enjoying the show? Follow, rate, and review Payne Points of Wealth on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and share this episode with a friend who’s chasing “quick wins” instead of compounding.

    21 min
4.9
out of 5
88 Ratings

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Welcome to the Payne Points of Wealth: The podcast that addresses all the pain points that come with creating your wealth, growing your wealth, and sustaining your wealth. Hosted by the Family Wealth Experts of Payne Capital Management, Bob, Ryan & Chris Payne. On a weekly basis, they deliver timely strategies and solutions for the pain points that come with building, preserving and managing your wealth.

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