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Coach’s Journey founder Robbie Swale and a team of hosts interview coaches about how they created a successful business and how they create impact for their clients. Through these conversations, you can learn how each coach came to coaching, grew their coaching practice and found their way to the successful business they have today. Each interview, like each journey, is different. But each is also packed with insights, tips, suggestions and ideas to grow your coaching business and have even greater impact creating change in the lives of your clients. Past guests include life coaches, business coaches, executive coaches, career coaches, leadership coaches and more. Some are household names; some are coaches you’ve never heard of. All of them share ideas on the key topics for creating a coaching business: money, fees, impact with clients, training and more. About Robbie: Robbie Swale is a leadership coach, podcaster and the author of four books. He has trained with masters in the field of coaching and building coaching businesses, including Rich Litvin, Robert Holden and guests on the podcast like Katie Harvey and Myles Downey. He is the creator of The Coaching Business Flywheel, which attempts to boil down everything he has learned from many years supporting coaches to grow their businesses and interviewing amazing coaches on this podcast, into one simple, actionable model. Subscribe and read more about the podcast, The Coach’s Journey Community and get the free ebook An Introduction to The Coaching Business Flywheel at www.thecoachsjourney.com

  1. 3h ago

    #127: Julie Starr – The World Works from the Inside Out [REPOST]

    As we begin to wrap up The Coach’s Journey Podcast after seven years, we’re sharing some of our favourite episodes from the back catalogue… Coaching found Julie Starr without her looking for it, and she started to practice coaching before she knew what it was. As a project manager of large-scale change initiatives in big organisations, Julie was someone who people naturally turned to with problems ­– often complex, personal matters that required care and attention to their inner world. Julie acquired skills to enhance her ability to perform this role; tools like neuro-linguistic programming helped her to navigate one-to-one work, and also prepared her for the future that awaited her. At a time when coaching qualifications had yet to be developed, Julie began writing a book that would help people understand the one-to-one work she was doing. That book is The Coaching Manual and it is now in its fifth edition, having garnered critical acclaim from the likes of Sir John Whitmore, widely regarded as one of the founding figures of the coaching industry. Julie, now an executive coach, mentor, writer and speaker, has since written two more best-selling books on coaching as well as two works of fiction, all of which are inspired by her belief in the interdependency of people, and by her passionate enquiry into the nature of reality. A self-described seeker, Julie’s journey of exploration through personal and professional development charts a fascinating course through the last three decades and is full of interesting insights and suggestions for coaches on their own journey. In this episode, we also talk about:Not allowing models and frameworks to become limiting factors in our work as coaches The power of non-attachment and the importance of working joyfully Staying true to ourselves, and resisting the temptation to climb a ladder that is against somebody else’s wall How to charge what you would be delighted with but not amazed by How to pursue the pathways that make sense to you in a turbulent, disorienting world We also discuss the biggest challenge we face as coaches: the inner and outer work we have to do to get ourselves out of the way in conversations. For more information about Julie, visit www.starrcoaching.co.uk or www.learnstarr.com. For more information about this episode’s host, Neil Mackinnon, visit https://neilmackinnon.net/. Read more about The Coach's Journey and sign up to our mailing list at www.thecoachsjourney.com. Download the free ebook, An Introduction toThe Coaching Business Flywheel,at https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/the-coaching-business-flywheel Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQgThings and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in): -  Neuro-linguistic programming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming - Tony Robbins https://www.tonyrobbins.com/ - Richard Bandler and John Grinder https://www.pocketbook.co.uk/blog/2017/08/01/john-grinder-and-richard-bandler-nlp-neuro-linguistic-programming/ - Milton Erickson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson - Effective Coaching by Myles Downey https://pocketwisdom.blog/2022/08/10/effective-coaching-by-myles-downey/ - Coaching for Performance by Sir John Whitmore https://www.performanceconsultants.com/coaching-for-performance-book - Co-active Coaching https://coactive.com/about/what-is-coactive - The GROW model https://www.performanceconsultants.com/grow-model - Tim Gallwey https://www.performanceconsultants.com/tim-gallwey - Writing coach Marcia Yudkin https://www.yudkin.com/index.htm - Eloise Cook https://reedsy.com/eloise-cook - Kim Morgan on The Coach’s Journey Podcast https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-25-kim-morgan - The Institute of Self-Actualisation https://isaexperience.wordpress.com/ - Landmark Forum https://www.landmarkworldwide.com/the-landmark-forum - The Journey https://home.thejourney.com/ - Joe Dispenza https://drjoedispenza.com/ - Julie’s first non-fiction book, From Magic to Memphis https://starrcoaching.co.uk/introducing-julies-debut-novel-magic-to-memphis/ - Truth Keeper, book one, by Julie Starr https://www.linkedin.com/posts/juliestarrcoach_truth-keeper-book-one-julie-starr-activity-7076863795129655296-cjpg/ BIOGRAPHY FROM JULIE Julie Starr is an executive coach, mentor, writer, and speaker. She is the author of three best-selling books on coaching: The Coaching Manual, The Mentoring Manual and Brilliant Coaching. Julie works with individuals and organisations to help them clarify a sense of purpose and remove obstacles to progress. Her own sense of purpose builds from an ongoing enquiry into how we might reach our fullest potential.

  2. Sep 3

    #126: Erek Ostrowski – The Capable Group Coach: If You Want People to Learn Quickly, Create Space for Reflection

    For Dr. Erek Ostrowski, the quality of our reflection is the quality of our coaching. In this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, he describes how intentional, multifaceted reflection produces new understanding and enables us to take action in ways we could not previously envisage. As well as holding a PhD in Organisational Development and Change, and being a senior leadership and executive coach who founded Verve Coaching, Erek is the author of The Capable Group Coach, which “invites coaches and organisations to embrace the complexity, relational depth, and unique human potential that only group coaching can unlock”. Erek’s passion for group coaching, which he believes can help us to address a crisis of meaning that is emerging in the workplace, has fuelled his rise to the very top of his field, and in discussion with host Alex Whitton he explains why there is an increasing demand for group coaching from forward-thinking organisations. The vital importance of experimentation in coaching is a focus of this conversation, and Erek and Alex discuss how coaches can ensure their work is grounded in a solid evidence base while freeing themselves up to be guided by the knowledge that emerges through play and by trying out new things. Erek also speaks sagely about the indispensible value of curiosity in a multifaceted career, and about the tremendous cost we risk if we fail to attend to our gut instincts. This episode is packed full of wisdom and insight from a true innovator and thought leader, who shares his expertise on how to increase the value of your work by developing a practice that produces impact, meaning and possibility far beyond what takes place in the coaching room. Erek and Alex also talk about: • How often practice leads research and the power of learning through doing • The nuanced approaches required when working in different group coaching contexts • How shiatsu and embodied work inform Erek’s practice • The different possibilities that open up when working with a capabilities-based model rather than a competencies-based model • How to attune yourself to emergent demand, and create something that people really want! • The benefits of getting involved in scholarship to your positioning in the field of coaching • The crucial differences between group coaching and team coaching THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT: - Systems theory https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/psychology/systems-theory - Organisational theory https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/organisational-theory - The GROW model https://www.coachingcultureatwork.com/the-grow-model/ - David Kolb, learning cycle - https://www.britishschoolofcoaching.com/kolbs-learning-cycle-in-coaching/ - John Dewey, Learning by doing - https://www.simplypsychology.org/john-dewey.html - William Bridges, Transition theory - https://wmbridges.com/about/what-is-transition/ - Malcolm Knowles, adult learning theory - https://infed.org/dir/welcome/malcolm-knowles-informal-adult-education-self-direction-and-andragogy/ - The Capable Group Coach, by Erek Ostrowski https://www.routledge.com/The-Capable-Group-Coach-Bridging-Knowledge-and-Practice-for-Transformative-Learning-and-Change-in-Groups/Ostrowski/p/book/9781041158516 - Tony Grant, https://instituteofcoaching.org/author/grant-anthony - Irvin Yalom, The Theory and Practices of Group Psychotherapy https://www.yalom.com/ - David Drake, https://www.davidbdrake.com/ - Ken Giglio, Mindful Leadership https://mindful-leaders.com/ - Jevons Paradox, https://www.npr.org/sections/planet-money/2025/02/04/g-s1-46018/ai-deepseek-economics-jevons-paradox BIOGRAPHY FROM EREK Dr. Erek J. Ostrowski, PhD, PCC, is a senior leadership and executive coach, coaching author and researcher, and founder of Verve Coaching. With over 25 years of experience, he designs and facilitates systemic coaching interventions for senior leaders and organizations navigating rapid change, growth, and scale. His collaborative approach engages leaders in reflection and inquiry that drives business outcomes while fostering a culture of learning and positive change. Erek’s practice spans healthcare and academic medicine, financial services, entrepreneurial firms, higher education, and creative services. He partners with physician leaders, executives, faculty, founders, and leadership teams, and is widely recognized for his pioneering research on group coaching. At the University of Pennsylvania, Erek is an affiliated faculty member in the Organizational Dynamics programs, where he chairs the Leadership and Organizational Coaching (LOC) master’s concentration. He co-edited Innovations in Leadership Coaching: Research and Practice and is the author of the newly released The Capable Group Coach (Routledge, 2026). Erek holds a PhD in Organizational Development and Change and an MA in Human and Organizational Systems, both from Fielding Graduate University. He is a credentialed coach with the International Coaching Federation (PCC) and a certified coach supervisor through Oxford Brookes University.

  3. Aug 6

    #125: Helen ONeill – How to Publish as a Coach, Build a Portfolio Career, and Make Your Next Step Count

    When five-time published author Helen ONeill entered the coaching space, she found that many coaches had misconceptions about writing and publishing. Some felt they needed permission to write their book, while others were held back by gatekeeping, snobbery and exploitative business practices. Her response was to set up Coach Write, the book coaching business she runs to help coaches make the choices that are right for them as they navigate their publishing journey, drawing on her expertise as an EMCC-accredited coach and a published author in a range of genres. The Coach Write stream of Helen’s business forms part of her portfolio career, and in this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, she tells host Alex Swallow about how she spent 20 years gaining experience in recruitment, human resources and psychometrics before becoming a portfolio career and change management specialist. Helen helps people who want a life and a career comprised of several threads to weave them together in a way that is sustainable and nourishing, ensuring the common pitfall of burnout is avoided altogether. She speaks about the boundaries and strategies that underpin this process, and describes the many synergies between the secrets of building a thriving author business and becoming a successful coach. Helen is passionate about creating a space for coaches to write and publish, where they can build a truly fulfilling life of variety, challenge and achievement. In this episode she cuts through the nonsense with practical, inspirational advice for anyone seeking to make a well-chosen next step in their career. Helen and Alex also talk about: • How to structure a portfolio career to ensure your time, energy, and income are in balance
 • Setting up a no-stress side hustle that puts a bit of joy into the world • The “messy middle” of mid-to-senior level work and the many different paths that it can lead to • ‘AI vertigo’ and how to get on the front foot rather than living in fear of AI • How to build your online presence without draining your soul by focusing on what you love doing
 THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: - Coach Write https://coachwrite.co.uk/ - Gather and Grow https://www.gatherandgrow.community/ - EMCC https://emccglobal.org/ - Time to Think by Nancy Kline https://www.timetothink.com/books/time-to-think/ - Barefoot Coaching https://barefootcoaching.co.uk/ - The Sheffield Coaching Exchange https://www.linkedin.com/company/sheffield-coaching-exchange/ - Robbie Swale’s Coaching Business Flywheel https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/the-coaching-business-flywheel BIOGRAPHY FROM HELEN Helen ONeill spent 20 years leading complex change portfolios before embarking on her own successful portfolio career. Today she’s an EMCC accredited coach, five-time published author, and the founder of Coach Write, where she helps coaches write and publish books that position them as thought leaders. She rarely watches television, she’s rubbish at updating social media, and she tries to avoid the news as much as possible. Instead, she packs her life with experiences, achievements, and laughter, and she loves helping others do the same.

  4. Jul 2

    #124: Nishe Patel – Our Coaching Clients are More Capable Than We Ever Know

    When we truly trust a client with our thinking, we can make space for them to use it in their own way. This trust is at the heart of Nishe Patel’s coaching practice, and in this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast she explains how occupying a space of not-knowing can pave the way to deep and genuine connections between coaches and their clients. In conversation with Alex Whitton, Nishe brings her expertise to bear on vital questions about the very nature of the curiosity that we prize so highly in coaching and how we can harness curiosity in the spirit of play, creativity and an interest in the person rather than the problem. Nishe experienced a magical moment when she first encountered coaching, and she speaks about the one question that brought her to tears when it was first asked to her within a thoughtfully held coaching framework. This magic gave her the confidence to quit her job in order to embark on several years of training that transformed her career and her life. Nishe’s training includes neuro-linguistic programming, hypnosis, and emotion-focused therapy, and she discusses the benefits of being able to integrate working with the unconscious as well as the conscious mind in her practice. Nishe also explains how taking a step back from her coaching career in order to recover from an operation produced insights into the expectations she placed on herself and her clients that would reshape her approach to her work. The rise of AI coaching and mentoring are discussed, along with the principles that underpin various modalities of practice with an ever-increasing reach and appeal. After over a decade in practice, Nishe remains hugely excited by the learning and development that coaching still has to offer her. This episode captures the unfolding nature of a coaching practice, as Nishe shares how she is still discovering new layers of meaning in her work. Nishe and Alex also talk about: How to create the conditions for a deep connection with coaching clients that goes beyond cognitive understanding Striking a balance between reassurance and challenge How to ensure your business enables you to live the lifestyle you want to lead The times when coaches need to disappear for their clients to own their growth How to let go of the need to know why, in order to be with what is THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: - Master Certified Coach training from the ICF https://coachingfederation.org/credentialing/icf-credentials-overview/mcc/ - NLP coach training https://nlpuktraining.com/ - Cyclothymia https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/cyclothymia/ - ADHD https://adhduk.co.uk/ - ACTP https://myactp.com/coach-certification/ - Animas https://www.animascoaching.com/ - EFT (Emotion-focused therapy) https://www.priorygroup.com/our-services/types-of-therapy/emotion-focused-therapy-eft - Eric Berne and Transactional Analysis https://ericberne.com/transactional-analysis/ - Sir John Whitmore https://www.performanceconsultants.com/about-us/sir-john-whitmore/ - Eriksonian hypnotherapy https://www.hypnotherapy-directory.org.uk/approach/ericksonian.html  - Anise Frost https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/118-anise-frost-how-to-craft-presence-and-ask-magic-questions - Sam Isaacson https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/112-sam-isaacson-the-challenges-facing-coaching-in-the-age-of-ai - Shruti Sonthalia https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/108-shruti-sonthalia-awareness-combined-with-action-is-the-key-to-creating-change BIOGRAPHY FROM NISHE Nishe is a coach, facilitator, mentor, and supervisor with a genuine passion for helping people think differently and be themselves in whatever way they choose. Her approach is ever-evolving as she thoughtfully integrates a variety of techniques, theories, and personal experiences into her practice. Nishe predominately works through associate roles, coaching senior leaders and small business owners as they navigate the complexities of work.

  5. Jun 18

    #123 - Why I'm Closing The Coach's Journey Podcast

    After almost 7 years, I’ve decided to close The Coach’s Journey Podcast this autumn. As I have done throughout The Coach’s Journey, I want to share my thinking about my business with you, in service of supporting you to think about yours in new ways. And so in this episode, I share my thinking on closing down this podcast, what will happen between now and the final episode in October, and what I’ve learned from the process of deciding to close the show. I also share big news about The Coach’s Journey Community, and how my work with coaches is evolving in an exciting new group programme for coaches launching this year. In particular, I talk about: How I use my energy as a compass in my business. What can happen if we’re brave enough to say ‘No’ to things most people aren’t brave enough to say ‘No’ to. The crucial distinction between the work and the container. How I’m going to take what was magical about The Coach’s Journey Community and build it into a new programme, which creates even more tension and possibility for transformation. It's exciting times... and it's bittersweet.  But I'm so proud of what we've made here at The Coach's Journey, and I know you've valued it too. I'm looking forward to sharing some fantastic new content - and shining a spotlight on some amazing old content - over the final few months of the show, before we close in October.  And if you’re curious to find out more about my new group programme, which I outlined in this episode, you can read more and apply here: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/group-coaching-programme If you like this episode, you’ll love Robbie’s ebook, An Introduction toThe Coaching Business Flywheel,visit https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/the-coaching-business-flywheel For more information about Robbie, visit https://www.robbieswale.com/ Read more about The Coach's Journey at www.thecoachsjourney.com. Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQg THINGS I TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: My new group programme for coaches - read more and apply here: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/group-coaching-programme The Coach’s Journey Mailing list: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/subscribe Episode #56: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-56-introducing-the-new-hosts-ushering-in-the-future-of-the-coachs-journey My ebook, An Introduction to the Coaching Business Flywheel: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/the-coaching-business-flywheel A podcast deep dive series on the flywheel and all its parts: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/writing/dive-deep-into-the-foundations-of-a-sustainable-coaching-business-via-the-coaching-business-flywheel Neil’s interview with Julie Starr: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-58-julie-starr-the-world-works-from-the-inside-out 12-Minute Method Books: https://geni.us/12minutemethodseries The Power to Choose: https://geni.us/powertochoose Robbie’s mailing list: https://www.robbieswale.com/mailing-list Joey interviewing Robbie, particularly about Meaningful Productivity: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/99-robbie-swale-the-secrets-of-meaningful-productivity-honourable-leadership-and-tilting-the-world-towards-heaven Robbie’s Meaningful Productivity Blueprint: https://www.robbieswale.com/meaningful-productivity The podcast episode about creating The Coach’s Journey Community: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/robbie-on-new-work-group-coaching-tcj-communty If you’ve consumed ALL the content at http://www.thecoachsjourney.com and still want more, email me here: hello@thecoachsjourney.com.

    #123 - Why I'm Closing The Coach's Journey Podcast

  6. Jun 3

    #122: Jenny Rogers – Why You Shouldn’t Be Afraid of Getting Coaching Wrong

    Throughout a career spanning roles as a teacher, BBC television producer, coach and prolific author, Jenny Rogers has never been afraid of getting things wrong. In this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, the executive coach, supervisor, trainer and author of coaching titles such as Are You Listening? tells host Neil Mackinnon about the vital importance of experimentation and of embracing our mistakes in order to benefit from a lifetime of learning experiences that make us better coaches and ground us in our humanity. Jenny flies the flag for a whole-life perspective in coaching, eschewing narrow approaches in favour of a style that acknowledges the way our personal and working lives are inextricably intertwined, and makes room for all the parts of us. A deep interest in psychotherapy has enriched Jenny’s coaching practice and she highlights the modalities that fascinate her the most, as well as the key therapeutic ideas and techniques that are readily transferrable to any coaching practice. Jenny also discusses her latest books, which address important questions about navigating boundaries as a new coach and working through the challenges many women face in midlife. This episode is full of sage advice drawn from a wonderfully diverse, rich career in coaching and creativity, shared by a practitioner whose dauntless spirit of curiosity and passion for understanding human relationships is as infectious as it is inspiring. Jenny and Neil also talk about: -      The relationship between trauma-aware coaching and psychodynamic therapy -      Nurturing a healthy writing practice and overcoming creative blocks -      How we accumulate rigid ways of thinking, and why it is hard to make change on your own -     The art of embodying a place of non-judgement, and offering challenge with compassion THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: - Jenny Rogers https://www.jennyrogers.com - BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk - Delia Smith https://www.deliaonline.com - Madhur Jaffrey https://www.madhurjaffrey.com - BBC Two https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo - BBC Books https://www.penguin.co.uk/company/publishers/bbc-books - Columbia University https://www.columbia.edu - Management Futures https://www.managementfutures.co.uk - Are You Listening (book) https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1115931/are-you-listening/9780241973986.html - Julia Vaughan-Smith https://www.juliavaughansmith.com - Nscience https://nscience.uk - Franz Ruppert https://www.franz-ruppert.de/en/ - Irvin Yalom https://www.yalom.com - The Gift of Therapy (book) https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-gift-of-therapy-irvin-d-yalom - Carl Rogers https://www.britannica.com/biography/Carl-Rogers - Gabor Mate https://www.upaya.org/person/dr-gabor-mate - University College Hospital London https://www.uclh.nhs.uk - Guildhall School of Music & Drama https://www.gsmd.ac.uk - How Not to Be a Doctor, by John Launer https://www.duckworthbooks.co.uk/book/how-not-to-be-a-doctor/ - Barbican Centre https://www.barbican.org.uk - City of London Corporation https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk - EMCC Global https://www.emccglobal.org - ILM https://www.institutelm.com - Coaches Training Institute (Co-Active) https://coactive.com BIOGRAPHY FROM JENNY I am an executive coach, coach trainer and supervisor, and accreditation assessor for APECS, the premier coaching accreditation body of the UK. Along with these roles, I am a writer, textile artist, cook, grandmother and keen walker. Thirty five years ago, I was an early entrant to the world of coaching, after earlier careers in teaching, television production and publishing. Typically, my clients are facing a major transition in their lives and find that a coaching perspective is the key to finding solutions that work. As a coach I work with senior clients in the law, medicine, finance, healthcare, performing arts and media along with volunteer roles for severely disadvantaged women. I consider myself to be a leader in a new approach to coaching which combines insights from psychotherapy with the pragmatic emphasis on change that distinguishes the best coaching traditions. I was honoured to win the Henley Business School Award for Outstanding Contribution to Coaching in 2019. My books include Are You Listening? a book of coaching stories published by Penguin Random House in 2021. I have written 9 other books on coaching, including Coaching Skills: the definitive guide to being a coach. A fifth edition, much updated, was published in 2024. My latest book, Fearless Coaching, will be published in 2026 and a book for women in mid-life (title TBD) in early 2027 by Octopus Books.

  7. May 21

    #121: Myles Downey - The Sessions and Why Genius is Dangerous

    Myles Downey’s new book, The Sessions, marks a transition, a metamorphosis in his influential body of work. And that becomes the theme of this, his third appearance on The Coach’s Journey Podcast. What happens when it is no longer sustainable to remain what you have been? What is it like to have an idea - like Myles did with The Sessions more than 30 years ago - and not be able to let it go? And for Padraig, the protagonist of The Sessions, what is it like for someone to step into their own shoes, becoming a leader, becoming oneself as a leader? That is just the start, though, in a wide-ranging conversation about Myles’ work, his new book, and what he has coming up next as part of what has already been an incredibly influential and impactful career, which started working closely with Sir John Whitmore in the early days of coaching in the UK and passed through The School of Coaching, his bestselling book Effective Modern Coaching and his powerful work on genius, which culminated in the book, Enabling Genius. In particular, we talk about: Whether it is our duty and responsibility to express ourselves. Poetry, prose, fiction, non-fiction, and Myles’ relationship to reading and writing (and what this has to do with coaching). Myles’ passion for human nature, creativity and how human beings should be more of themselves, not less of themselves. The close relationship between genius and being seen as mad, and why some leaders and CEOs see genius as dangerous. One of the most powerful coaching exercises Myles did with Robbie when he was Robbie’s coach. And at the end, Myles tells a moving story about the influence of his wife, Jo, on The Sessions and his wider work, and gives a tantalising trailer for what might be his next book: The Inner Game of Leadership - what it takes to express oneself, configured around the notion of leadership. To listen to Myles’ first appearance on The Coach’s Journey Podcast, visit https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-31-myles-downey To listen to his second appearance on the show, visit: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/69-myles-downey-what-is-effective-coaching-performance-coaching-when-to-be-directive-changing-clients-maps-of-reality-and-more For more information about Myles, visit www.mylesdowney.com or find him on LinkedIn at www.linkedin.com/in/mylesdowney For more information about Robbie Swale, visit www.robbieswale.com. Read more about The Coach's Journey at www.thecoachsjourney.com. Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQg To support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. Things and people we mentioned (that you might be interested in): Myles' previous appearances on The Coach's Journey Podcast: https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/episode-31-myles-downeyhttps://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/69-myles-downey-what-is-effective-coaching-performance-coaching-when-to-be-directive-changing-clients-maps-of-reality-and-more The Sessions by Myles Downey: https://thesessions.online/ and https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sessions-tale-leadership-Dublin-pubs-ebook/dp/B0GKCWPD4B/ The Inner Game of Tennis by Timothy Gallwey: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inner-Game-Tennis-ultimate-performance/dp/1447288505/ Myles’ books: Effective Modern Coaching, The Enabling Manager, Enabling Genius: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Effective-Modern-Coaching-principles-successful/dp/191595116X/ The fantasy novels where Robbie learned why poetry matters was The Long Price Quartet by Daniel Abraham: https://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Long-Price-Quartet/dp/B074CFZ29B Joseph Campbell: http://robbieswale.com/the-12-minute-blog/2024/10/9/the-insecure-way-is-really-the-secure-way Strong Ground by Brene Brown: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Strong-Ground-Leadership-Tenacity-Vermilion/dp/178504320X Roberto Assagioli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Assagioli BIOGRAPHY FROM MYLES Myles Downey is a recognized authority on Performance, Coaching and Leadership and the author of three classics in the coaching and performance arena: ‘Effective Modern Coaching’, (330,00+ books sold); ‘Enabling Genius – a mindset for success in the 21st Century’; ‘The Enabling Manager – how to get the best out of your team’.   Myles is one of the leading executive performance coaches in Europe, with global experience (Europe, North and South America, Asia-Pacific, UAE). He has worked across the C-suite in many prestigious organisations over the past 35 years, in a wide variety of industries, including Banking and Financial Services, Manufacturing, Oil and Gas, Professional Services, Tech, the Public Sector and Sports. Myles was the founder of The School of Coaching (1996 to 2012), at the time the premier institution for coach training in Europe. Myles has deployed his performance coaching programs with the Senior Coaches of the England Rugby Team and with the New Zealand Elite Rugby Coaches. Myles has been a speaker at many leadership conferences, including the BBC’s Conference for its top 400 senior executives, the McKinsey Global Partners Conference in Singapore and the ICF Global Conference in Malmo, to name a few. After 33 years living in London, Myles now lives in Norfolk, England. He was born in Dublin, Ireland in 1959.  Myles plays for Norfolk Veterans Tennis and competes occasionally on the ITF Masters Tour.

  8. May 7

    #120: Mel Sims – Neurodivergent Coaching, and How to be Unpolished, Scuffed and Brilliant

    When Mel Sims discovered coaching, she was adamant that nobody could understand her life. Her journey into coaching allowed her to put down the mask, harness her strengths, and re-emerge into the world as a neurodivergent emotional coach. Mel trained as a coach while learning about herself through the lens of an ADHD diagnosis. As well as offering her a pathway of personal growth, these experiences helped Mel find her niche through the realisation that neurodivergent people need a particular coaching approach. In this episode of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, Mel speaks to host Joey Owen about different styles of emotional communication, and the many ways in which people can be misunderstood. She talks about how being an “unpolished” coach enables her to offer a space where people can let go of their need hide their feelings and be guided by an authentic intuition. Mel offers several brilliant metaphors and visualisation techniques that illuminate this episode, such as the idea of wearing a colander on your head as a way to filter information, and thinking of neurodivergent minds as stars that have become more visible in our world of modern telescopes and greater understanding. The challenges of time management, rest and staying grounded are explored in this episode as Mel describes how she tailors coaching to people who might need alternative approaches to scheduling, flexibility, communication and depth. Mel and Joey also talk about: The intuitive, bordering-on-magical connection that neurodivergent people share having navigated shared challenges How to make space for emotional outpourings that can have a transformative impact in coaching sessions A psychological technique that enables a kinder, more compassionate approach to self-coaching How to own your weak spots and set healthy expectations Mel also explains why she starts some of her inspirational coaching talks wearing a snorkel, a diving mask and a pair of flippers! For more information about Mel, visit: https://melsimslifecoach.co.uk or @theadhdhummingbird on Facebook and Instagram For more information about host Joey Owen, visit http://www.joeyowencoaching.com/ Read more about The Coach's Journey at www.thecoachsjourney.com Music by My Good Man William: listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4KmeQUcTbeE31uFynHQLQg To support the Coach's Journey, visit www.patreon.com/thecoachsjourney and to join the Coach's Journey Community visit www.thecoachsjourney.com/community. THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: - Robbie Swale’s 12-Minute Method books https://www.robbieswale.com/the-12minute-books - Ruth Kudzi https://www.ruthkudzi.com/ - ICF https://coachingfederation.org/ - John Demartini https://drdemartini.com/ - Calendly https://calendly.com/ - Meta Business Suite https://www.facebook.com/business/tools/meta-business-suite - Inside Our Minds with Chris Packham https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bbnh47 - Eye movement desensitisation and reprocessing (EMDR) https://emdrassociation.org.uk/ - Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD) https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-and-adhd/ - Transactional Analysis https://www.simplypsychology.org/transactional-analysis-eric-berne.html - Episode #116 of The Coach’s Journey Podcast, on the importance of having your own coach https://www.thecoachsjourney.com/podcast/116-why-hiring-a-coach-is-the-most-important-investment-youll-make-in-your-coaching-business - Patience https://www.channel4.com/programmes/patience LINKS FROM MEL: - My favourite ‘emotions in individuals’ viewing https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0b8kmch/couples-therapy - Shame and ADHD https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002c6bb - Being different and anxious as an Autistic person - https://www.channel4.com/programmes/are-you-autistic Free additional training for coaches with Positive Intelligence (do the test first to see what your Sabateurs are) https://www.positiveintelligence.com/saboteurs/ - Discovering your values quiz (I realised my ad agency days and working with under 5’s was all about loving helping people) https://drdemartini.com/pl/play?url=%2Fwhat-are-values%2F - Great book on RSD (hating people being cross with you) https://atlantic-books.co.uk/book/the-courage-to-be-disliked/ - And another one written by a brilliant ADHD podcast host https://www.sheldonpress.co.uk/titles/alex-partridge/why-does-everybody-hate-me/9781399827843/‍ ‍

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Coach’s Journey founder Robbie Swale and a team of hosts interview coaches about how they created a successful business and how they create impact for their clients. Through these conversations, you can learn how each coach came to coaching, grew their coaching practice and found their way to the successful business they have today. Each interview, like each journey, is different. But each is also packed with insights, tips, suggestions and ideas to grow your coaching business and have even greater impact creating change in the lives of your clients. Past guests include life coaches, business coaches, executive coaches, career coaches, leadership coaches and more. Some are household names; some are coaches you’ve never heard of. All of them share ideas on the key topics for creating a coaching business: money, fees, impact with clients, training and more. About Robbie: Robbie Swale is a leadership coach, podcaster and the author of four books. He has trained with masters in the field of coaching and building coaching businesses, including Rich Litvin, Robert Holden and guests on the podcast like Katie Harvey and Myles Downey. He is the creator of The Coaching Business Flywheel, which attempts to boil down everything he has learned from many years supporting coaches to grow their businesses and interviewing amazing coaches on this podcast, into one simple, actionable model. Subscribe and read more about the podcast, The Coach’s Journey Community and get the free ebook An Introduction to The Coaching Business Flywheel at www.thecoachsjourney.com

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