The Sustainable Food Trust Podcast

Patrick Holden
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The Sustainable Food Trust podcast questions current food production methods and sheds light on the future of farming. Chief Executive Patrick Holden hears from a range of voices, including policymakers, business leaders, food producers and campaigners, about some of the issues facing farming systems across the world.

  1. 4D AGO

    SFT Podcast: Finding Harmony, the evolution of agricultural education and influencing the influencers

    What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices.   To mark the release of the recent documentary Finding Harmony: A King's Vision – exploring his Majesty King Charles III's lifelong commitment to the environment and his philosophy of Harmony – in this episode of the SFT Podcast, Patrick talks to Stuart about his involvement in the documentary and recalls first meeting the King in 1982. They also explore the philosophy of Harmony in more depth, including how we can bring harmonious practices into our everyday lives and why achieving this is now more important than ever.   Elsewhere in the episode, Patrick and Stuart talk about the evolution of agricultural education and the importance of influencing the influencers to enable a transition to more sustainable food and farming practices.   To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at info@sustainablefoodtrust.org or send us a message via any of our social media channels – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about next time!   Timestamps:   0:00: Welcome back! 0:33: Patrick talks about his relationship with King Charles, first meeting him in 1982, the development of Highgrove Farm and their shared passion for organic farming 4:01: The King's book: Harmony: A New Way of Looking at Our World 5:55: We are not separate from nature, we are part of nature 10:45: Striving for Harmony in a world of conflict  13:36: To achieve Harmony, where do we start? 18:02: Harmonious practices in our everyday lives 25:48: Patrick's involvement in Finding Harmony 28:36: 'Seeing is believing' experience at Highgrove Farm  30:17: The evolution of agricultural education and need for reform  37:53: The history of Dumfries House  43:14: The interconnectedness of faiths/The King's influence on connecting different faiths  44:52: How do we transform farming to become part of the solution, rather than the problem? 49:35: Influencing the influencers 53:31: What's coming in future episodes   Follow Patrick and the Sustainable Food Trust: https://www.instagram.com/susfoodtrust/ | https://www.instagram.com/hafodcheese/ https://bsky.app/profile/susfoodtrust.bsky.social https://www.facebook.com/SusFoodTrust https://www.linkedin.com/company/sustainable-food-trust/   Find out more about Stuart and the Fossil Free Farm project: https://fossilfreefarm.com/ https://www.instagram.com/camelstu/ https://www.youtube.com/@farmerstu   To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page.

    56 min

  2. JAN 30

    Julian & Miriam Rose on developing England's first community-led estate and the complexities of inheriting land and wealth

    Sir Julian Rose and his daughter, Miriam Rose, of the Hardwick Estate – England's first community-owned estate – joined our CEO, Patrick Holden, on the SFT Podcast. Julian Rose was one of the pioneers of organic farming in the UK. In the late 1960s, Julian inherited ownership of the Hardwick Estate and by 1975 the 375-acre farmland had been converted to organic status. 40 years later, the Rose family have made the decision to transfer ownership of the Estate to the local community, seeking to move away from a history of private aristocratic ownership. Following closely in her father's footsteps, Miriam says she identified as a 'natural environmentalist' from a very young age having grown up on the farm, and has been a fierce advocate ever since – including spending eight days incarcerated in Iceland after protesting the country's aluminium industry's impact on the rivers. Nowadays, Miriam sits on the board of Trustees of the Hardwick Estate, overseeing its direction, which is otherwise managed by the Hardwick community. In this episode, Julian and Miriam go into more detail about how this community-owned model works, as well as the risks involved with this approach, and they discuss whether or not this model could be scaled. They also talk about the complex feelings they have towards land-ownership and the inheritance of wealth. Find out more about the Hardwick Estate here. This conversation was recorded in October 2025. Featured image courtesy of www.julianrose.info/.   Timestamps 0:00: Welcome Julian and Miriam! 01:04: The history of the Hardwick Estate and how the Julian came to inherit the Estate 9:05: Patrick and Julian's involvement in the early organic movement – including the beginnings of the UK's organic food standards 12:15: Miriam's early beginnings as an environmentalist and her role at Hardwick 15:12: Becoming England's first community-owned estate 22:35: How does the community ownership model work? 24:46: What are the risks involved with this approach? 30:02: 50 years of organic at the Hardwick Estate 32:58: Can this community-owned model be scaled? 33:59: The complexities of inheriting land and wealth    To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our monthly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and Bluesky.

    36 min

  3. JAN 19

    SFT Podcast: Storm Goretti impact on farmers, SFI updates & 'nutrient dense' food ranges

    What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices. For our first episode of 2026, Patrick and Stuart talk about the extreme weather we've experienced, just days into the new year – reflecting on the disruption that Storm Goretti caused, particularly in Cornwall where Stuart farms, they discuss the incredible display of community resilience in response to shocks like this. Elsewhere in the conversation, Patrick also talks about his time at the Oxford farming conferences – both Oxford Real Farming Conference and Oxford Farming Conference – where the environment secretary announced updates to the Sustainable Farming Incentive (SFI) and Farming in Protected Landscapes (FiPL) schemes; Stuart discusses Marks & Spencer's new range of nutrient dense food, and the two also debate the importance of measuring farming system outcomes and explore the challenges that come with this. To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at info@sustainablefoodtrust.org – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about next time.   Timestamps: 0:00: Welcome! 0:13: The overproduction of milk affecting price per litre 2:32: The aftermath of Storm Goretti and show of community spirit 6:48: Local procurement vs exports 8:31: ORFC and OFC 13:00: Are big food companies comitting greenwash or should we embrace their regen efforts? 20:38: Defra's recent announcement on SFI and FiPL 24:07: Should we and how can we measure farming system outcomes? 29:50: M&S's 'nutrient dense' food range 31:48: McDonald's efforts to champion higher quality food 35:06: What's Stuart up to in Brazil? 36:08: Patrick's message on health for 2026 37:17: Global dependence on roundup 41:03: Goodbye!   Follow Patrick and the Sustainable Food Trust: https://www.instagram.com/susfoodtrust/ | https://www.instagram.com/hafodcheese/ https://bsky.app/profile/susfoodtrust.bsky.social https://www.facebook.com/SusFoodTrust https://www.linkedin.com/company/sustainable-food-trust/   Find out more about Stuart and the Fossil Free Farm project: https://fossilfreefarm.com/ https://www.instagram.com/camelstu/ https://www.youtube.com/@farmerstu

    42 min

  4. 12/23/2025

    SFT Podcast: Christmas special

    What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices. In this episode, Patrick and Stuart explore the current distortion of food pricing, with Christmas vegetables being used as loss leaders in supermarkets. They discuss nose-to-tail eating, share Patrick's carrot-growing journey, and reflect on making the most of festive meals and holiday food traditions. The conversation finishes with New Year's resolutions and ideas for a few ways to access 'flow state' to help us to be present in our day-to-day lives. To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at info@sustainablefoodtrust.org – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about in the next episode!

    48 min

  5. 12/22/2025

    Tim Smit on forever chemicals and rethinking the meaning of 'farms'

    Our CEO, Patrick Holden, recently sat down for a conversation with Sir Tim Smit, former archaeologist, music producer and founder of the Eden Project and Lost Gardens of Heligan in Cornwall. In this episode, Patrick and Tim talk about the emerging dangers of forever chemicals for the environment and human health, reconceptualising what we mean when we talk about farms and their importance for mental health and wellbeing, and why the integration of food and farming into the national curriculum "shouldn't be fringe, it should be right at the core". To listen to more SFT podcasts, featuring some of the biggest names in regenerative food and farming, head to our main podcast page. And to keep up to date with our news, you can subscribe to our monthly newsletter or follow us on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and Bluesky. This conversation was recorded in December 2025.

    1h 2m

  6. 12/17/2025

    SFT Podcast: The rise of forever chemicals and UPFs, multi-purpose willow on farms & camel farming

    What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices. In this week's episode, Patrick and Stuart talk about forever chemicals and the increasing awareness of their impact on human health – as recently investigated in an episode of the BBC's Panorama. They also discuss the politicisation of regenerative agriculture; Patrick shares his thoughts on the publication of new research reviewing the safety of the widely used herbicide, Roundup, and asks what a post-Roundup farming future might look like; and Stuart reflects on his camel farming journey and how at one point he had the largest camel farm (21 camels!) in mainland Europe. To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at info@sustainablefoodtrust.org – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about in next week's episode!   Follow Patrick and the Sustainable Food Trust: https://www.instagram.com/susfoodtrust/ | https://www.instagram.com/hafodcheese/ https://bsky.app/profile/susfoodtrust.bsky.social https://www.facebook.com/SusFoodTrust https://www.linkedin.com/company/sustainable-food-trust/   Find out more about Stuart and the Fossil Free Farm project: https://fossilfreefarm.com/ https://www.instagram.com/camelstu/ https://www.youtube.com/@farmerstu

    41 min

  7. 12/02/2025

    SFT Podcast: Supporting small abattoirs, the demise of small dairy farms and developments in agri-tech

    What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices. In this episode, Patrick and Stuart reflect on some events they've recently attended including COP30 in Brazil and AGRITECHNICA in Germany. Meanwhile, on abattoirs, Stuart shares what he learnt from his first visit to a slaughterhouse, Patrick talks about mobile abattoirs, and the two discuss the 'demonisation' of the consumption of animal fats. Patrick also  touches on the demise of small dairy farms and describes how farmers being told to 'get big or get out' when it comes to their farming methods, and later on in the episode, Stuart discusses some of the developments being made in agri-tech that he came across at AGRITECHNICA. To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at info@sustainablefoodtrust.org. Watch the SFT Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@sustainablefoodtrust6605    Follow Patrick and the Sustainable Food Trust: https://www.instagram.com/susfoodtrust/ | https://www.instagram.com/hafodcheese/ https://bsky.app/profile/susfoodtrust.bsky.social https://www.facebook.com/SusFoodTrust https://www.linkedin.com/company/sustainable-food-trust/   Find out more about Stuart and the Fossil Free Farm project: https://fossilfreefarm.com/ https://www.instagram.com/camelstu/ https://www.youtube.com/@farmerstu

    1h 5m

  8. 11/19/2025 · VIDEO

    SFT Podcast: Live from COP30 and Agritechnica

    What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices. In this episode, Patrick and Stuart report live from two big events in the food and farming calendar - COP30 in Brazil and Agritechnica in Germany - covering everything from the power of showing up and building connections to the rights of agricultural workers and indigenous peoples. Watch the SFT Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_AeZT35qk  Find out more about Patrick and the Sustainable Food Trust: https://sustainablefoodtrust.org https://www.instagram.com/susfoodtrust/ | https://www.instagram.com/hafodcheese/  https://www.tiktok.com/@susfoodtrust   Find out more about Stuart and the Fossil Free Farm project: https://fossilfreefarm.com https://www.instagram.com/camelstu/ https://www.youtube.com/@farmerstu  https://www.tiktok.com/@camelstu

    26 min
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The Sustainable Food Trust podcast questions current food production methods and sheds light on the future of farming. Chief Executive Patrick Holden hears from a range of voices, including policymakers, business leaders, food producers and campaigners, about some of the issues facing farming systems across the world.

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