Presales Podcast by Presales Collective

Jack Cochran
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Presales Podcast by Presales Collective is a podcast dedicated to growing the Solution Consulting community. We aim to provide presales professionals with the resources, knowledge, network, and mentorship to develop long, impactful careers. On the Presales Podcast, you'll hear from global presales leaders, top individual contributors, industry experts, enablement professionals, and entrepreneurs who have developed products for our profession.

  1. 2d ago

    Building Repeatable Methodologies with Paul Vogt

    In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Paul Vogt, VP of Pre-Sales and Professional Services at GPG, to explore how building repeatable methodologies can transform solutions organizations at scale. The conversation dives deep into two powerful frameworks: the Technical Win Definition (5 binary yes/no questions that eliminate ambiguity and improve forecast accuracy) and the PGA Framework (Purpose, Goal, Agenda for planning every customer meeting).    Thank you to Saleo for sponsoring this episode: https://saleo.io    Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/ Connect with Paul Vogt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulvogt00/ Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Presales Collective Podcast: https://presalescollective.com/podcast  Paul's Blog: https://www.art-of-sales-engineering.com/  Key Topics Covered Paul's Career Journey: From Defense Contractor to Scaling Pre-Sales Teams at Twilio The Alaska Cellular Network Project: Building the First Network in Remote Communities Customer Lifecycle Gaps: Why 70% of Churn Happens During Onboarding Technical Win Definition: Creating 5 Binary Questions to Eliminate Ambiguity How Technical Win Criteria Improve Forecast Accuracy Better Than Sales Tracking The PGA Framework: Purpose, Goal, Agenda for Every Customer Meeting Warning Signs Your Organization Needs Repeatable Methodologies Using Metrics to Identify Where Deals Slow Down (POC-to-Win Rates as Diagnostic) The Lost Art of Prep Calls and Meeting Alignment Practice and Preparation: Why Pre-Sales Professionals Should Train Like Athletes Small Impactful Changes: The Ted Lasso Approach to Leadership

    Building Repeatable Methodologies with Paul Vogt

  2. Aug 3

    Adapting to the Changing World of Presales with Steve Bullington

    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Steve Bullington, Global Public Sector Sales Onboarding and Strategic Programs Lead at Salesforce, to explore the seismic shifts reshaping presales. Steve draws powerful parallels between today's transformation and the move from perpetual licenses to SaaS, arguing that we're experiencing an equally fundamental change as the industry shifts to consumption-based pricing models.  Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/  Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/  Connect with Steve Bullington: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevebullington/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Key Topics Covered The Evolution of Presales: From Technical Expert to Business Value Architect Consumption-Based Pricing Models and the Death of Shelfware The Critical Importance of Accurate Consumption Forecasting Forward-Deployed Engineers: The 10x Growth of a New Role AI's Impact on Demo Capabilities and Presales Productivity The Current Maturity Level of AI (Comparable to SaaS in 2000) Which Sales Roles Face AI Replacement and Future Career Pathways The Need to Accelerate Professional Development Beyond 1% Daily

    Adapting to the Changing World of Presales with Steve Bullington

  3. Jul 20

    Debunking the Traditional Path to Presales with Adam Bauman

    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James sit down with Adam Bauman, Staff Solutions Engineer at Kong, to challenge the myth of the "traditional" path into presales. Adam shares his journey from nearly 20 years in software engineering and management into solutions engineering, exploring why technical backgrounds can be powerful entry points into presales.   The conversation also tackles practical advice for both sides of the hiring equation: how candidates without presales experience can demonstrate their value in interviews, and how hiring managers can look beyond traditional backgrounds to find great talent. Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/  Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/  Connect with Adam Bauman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjbauman/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Presales Collective Unscripted: https://luma.com/pscunscripted  Key Topics Covered What Defines a "Traditional" Path to Presales and Why Most Paths Are Non-Traditional Adam's 20-Year Engineering Career and What Drew Him to Presales The Learning Curve: Demos, Confidence, and Learning Not to Know Everything Scoping Engagements and Understanding Buying Journeys Beyond Technical Validation Staying Involved Through Security, Procurement, and Legal Reviews Understanding Business Value and ROI from an Engineering Mindset Using AI Tools Like Claude for Personal and Professional Efficiency How to Interview for Presales Without Traditional Experience Changes Needed in Recruiting: Using Rubrics and Formalized Evaluation Timestamps 00:00 Start 03:36 Welcome Adam Bauman 06:58 Building confidence without all the answers 10:25 Drawing from an engineering background 13:55 Timeline for feeling confident in the role 22:07 Communicating value without presales experience 24:34 Changes needed in recruiting and hiring 27:23 Final Thoughts

    Debunking the Traditional Path to Presales with Adam Bauman

  4. Jul 6

    Becoming Sales Leadership's Trusted Advisor with Lisa Jameson

    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James sit down with Lisa Jameson, a seasoned solutions professional, to explore how she built strategic influence and became a trusted advisor to sales leadership without moving into management.    Lisa provides a practical framework for assessing your current level of trust with sales leadership, finding creative solutions beyond product limitations, and ultimately structuring a custom role that maximizes your impact while staying on the individual contributor track. Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/  Connect with Mathew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/  Connect with Lisa Jameson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisajamesondb/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Key Topics Covered Building Initial Trust Through Proactive Learning and Debrief Calls The Deal Review as Critical Trust Builder for Won and Lost Deals Strategic Use of Closed Lost Deals to Increase Credibility The "If We're Working It, We're Working It" Philosophy Recognizing When Sales Teams Trust Your Strategic Input Developing Deep Expertise in a Niche Area Creating Custom IC Roles Through Proven Value Moving Beyond Product Limitations with Partners and Creative Solutions The Long Game of Career Development and Building Credibility Structuring Compensation and Proving ROI for Strategic Roles

    Becoming Sales Leadership's Trusted Advisor with Lisa Jameson

  5. Jun 22

    The Value of a Presales Academy with Rob Fallon

    Rob Fallon, Director, Americas SE Strategy & Associate Program at Nutanix, has built presales academy programs at both Dell EMC and Nutanix, joins the show to discuss the strategic importance of creating structured training programs for presales professionals. Rob shares his experience transforming Dell's 12-week boot camp into a comprehensive academy and building Nutanix's current 18-month-old program from the ground up. The conversation tackles the "inverted pyramid" problem that plagues many SE organizations—being too heavy with expensive senior talent and lacking junior pipeline—and why most companies struggle to fix it. The discussion covers the business case for academies, how to secure executive sponsorship and funding, the structure of successful two-year programs, and why hiring for technical curiosity and grit matters more than existing technical knowledge. Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/ Connect with Rob Fallon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robfallon/ Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026 Contact Rob: rob.fallon@nutanix.com Key Topics Covered The Inverted Pyramid Problem: Why SE Organizations Over-Hire Senior Talent Executive Sponsorship and Funding: Getting Buy-In for Long-Term Investment The Two-Year Academy Program Structure at Nutanix Hiring for Technical Curiosity, Communication, and Grit Over Knowledge Why Field Integration and Manager Engagement Are Critical to Success How Academy Associates Become Productive Within 12 Months Academy Programs as Diversity and Fresh Thinking Enablers Success Metrics: When Field Leaders Want Academy Grads on Their Teams

    The Value of a Presales Academy with Rob Fallon

  6. Jun 8

    Using AI as your Voice Assistant with Yasmeen Hyder

    In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Yasmeen Hyder, an enterprise solutions consulting leader from Atlanta, to explore a game-changing approach to working with AI: speaking to it instead of typing. Yasmeen shares how she uses voice-based AI interactions as a thought companion and coaching tool to enhance decision-making, reduce mental load, and work more efficiently in her presales leadership role. Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/  Connect with Yasmeen Hyder: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yasmeenhyder/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast  Key Topics Covered Voice AI vs. Typing: Why Speaking Creates Higher Bandwidth Communication AI as Thought Companion Rather Than Answer Engine Yasmeen's Career Journey: Healthcare to Pharma to Tech Presales Overcoming the Behavioral Change of Talking to Your Computer Stress Testing Leadership Decisions with Voice AI Using AI as a Coach: Asking for Questions Instead of Answers Time Compression Benefits: 60-90 Minutes Down to 15-20 Minutes Addressing Zoom Fatigue: Voice AI as Reset and Grounding Tool Negative Prompting Technique for Better Outputs Personal and Professional Applications Beyond Work Timestamps 00:00 Introduction 02:45 Welcome Yas 05:45 Why talking to AI 08:02 Setup and behavioral change 10:57 Writing vs. speaking 15:27 Rubber ducky but better 16:28 Stress testing leadership decisions 20:46 Using AI as a coach 22:36 Addressing Zoom fatigue 26:00 Personal life applications 30:19 Closing and contact information

    Using AI as your Voice Assistant with Yasmeen Hyder

  7. May 11

    Product-Trained Agents, and the New SE Workflow with Kintan Brahmbhatt

    Jack Cochran and Matthew James welcome Kintan Brahmbhatt, CEO and co-founder of Olto, to discuss how AI agents are fundamentally reshaping the presales workflow and buyer experience. Drawing from over 12 years at Amazon building personalized experiences for Alexa, Amazon Music, and Prime Video, Kintan explores why B2B buyers receive generic "Acme Corp" demos while B2C consumers get highly personalized recommendations, and how product-trained agents can finally close this gap economically. The conversation goes beyond productivity gains to examine how buyers, products, and SE roles have evolved rapidly while metrics, compensation plans, and tooling have remained static.  Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/  Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/  Connect with Kintan Brahmbhatt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kintan/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Olto: https://olto.com/psc  (3 months free promotional offer mentioned) Key Topics Covered Why AI Timing Is Better Now: Moving Beyond Productivity to Workflow Transformation The Personalization Gap Between B2C and B2B Buyer Experiences What Olto Is: Product-Trained AI Agents Across the Revenue Journey Kintan's Amazon Background: Building Personalized Experiences at Scale SE Capacity Economics and the Unspoken Rule About Qualified Deals How Product-Trained Agents Differ from Generic AI The New SE Workflow: Agents Handle Discovery, SEs Focus on Sense-Making Evolution of SE Metrics, Compensation, and Tooling for the AI Era Implementation Challenges and Change Management The Future of the Presales Profession Timestamps 00:00 Welcome 04:04 Now vs a year ago 05:40 What is Olto 07:52 B2C vs B2B personalization disconnect 11:15 Agent capabilities and limitations 21:35 Future of the solutions roles 28:26 Key takeaways from solutions leaders

    Product-Trained Agents, and the New SE Workflow with Kintan Brahmbhatt

  8. Apr 28

    The Convergence of Presales and Post-Sales: A New Career Path with Shamil Turner

    Presales teams are being asked more and more to do post-sales work. This isn't a fad or something we're doing in the short term. This is a significant change for the broader profession of presales and solutions consulting. What was once occasional support for implementations or customer renewals is now becoming formal job responsibilities for solutions consultants across the industry.   In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Shamil Turner, Global Technical Solutions Leader at Figma and Presales Collective advisory board member, to explore why this shift is happening and what it means for the future of presales.   Shamil brings a unique perspective to this conversation: he was the first SE hired at Figma, built their entire solutions engineering organization from the ground up, and has now transitioned into a post-sales technical leadership role. Together they discuss the strengths that SEs bring to the table that has a profound impact on a company-customer relationships AFTER the sale has happened, and how this plays out in a new role that has been emerging over the past year, the Forward Deployed Engineer. Whether you're a leader making organizational decisions or an IC just getting started, this conversation will help you understand how the world of solutions is evolving. Thank you to Saleo for sponsoring this episode! Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/  Connect with Shamil Turner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamil-turner/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack  Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026  Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast Saleo: https://saleo.io  Key Topics Covered The Growing Trend of Presales Teams Doing Post-Sales Work Historical Context: How SEs Have Always Supported Post-Sales Forward Deployed Engineer Roles in Consumption-Based Models Why Presales Skills Are Valuable for Customer Onboarding Shamil's Journey from First SE at Figma to Global Technical Solutions Leader The Convergence of Pre and Post-Sales Functions Career Implications for Presales Professionals at All Levels What This Means for the Future of Solutions Organizations

    The Convergence of Presales and Post-Sales: A New Career Path with Shamil Turner
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Presales Podcast by Presales Collective is a podcast dedicated to growing the Solution Consulting community. We aim to provide presales professionals with the resources, knowledge, network, and mentorship to develop long, impactful careers. On the Presales Podcast, you'll hear from global presales leaders, top individual contributors, industry experts, enablement professionals, and entrepreneurs who have developed products for our profession.

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