2 Pastors and a Mic

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Unfiltered, unedited, and uncommon thoughts from 2 pastors figuring it out as they go.

  1. Aug 26

    291. Why Does Disagreement Feel So Personal?

    In Episode 291 of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock continue the conversation around changing our minds, being wrong, and what happens when the people we love don’t change with us. They talk about why we often assume more people think like us than actually do, why certain people’s disagreement affects us more than others, and how our need for validation can hide underneath our need to convince someone that we’re right. They also explore the connection between agreement and belonging, why disagreement can feel like rejection, how political and theological differences can strain relationships, and what it looks like to stay connected without requiring someone else to see the world exactly the way we do. 00:00 - Welcome to Episode 291 02:13 - Why Do I Need You to Think I’m Right? 03:14 - The False Consensus Effect 04:31 - We Assume More People Think Like Us 06:41 - When Someone Close to You Disagrees 07:33 - Whose Disagreement Bothers You Most? 09:18 - When a Friend’s Disagreement Hits Different 10:50 - Learning to Live With Theological Tension 12:03 - Why One Person’s Disagreement Can Wreck Your Day 12:48 - Social Verification & the Need for Validation 15:03 - Why Disagreement Can Feel Like Rejection 15:59 - When Did Agreement Become Connected to Belonging? 17:12 - What’s Harder: Changing or Watching Others Stay the Same? 20:10 - Losing Friendships Over Politics 20:33 - Does Relationship Require Agreement? 21:40 - What Do We Actually Disagree About? 23:20 - Friendship Can Survive Disagreement 26:22 - Where Do You Need to Stop Needing Agreement? 26:31 - The Challenge: Let a Disagreement Stay Unresolved 27:18 - Choosing Relationship Over Agreement

  2. Aug 19

    290. Why Do We Care So Much About Being Right?

    In Episode 290 of Two Pastors and a Mic, Cory and Channock continue their conversation from last week by exploring what’s underneath our need to be right. They talk about why admitting we’re wrong can feel so uncomfortable, how church culture can turn certainty into a measure of faithfulness, and why disagreement doesn’t have to lead to disrespect or disconnection. They also unpack research on intellectual humility and why people who are willing to consider that they could be wrong are often more curious, more open to opposing evidence, and more capable of maintaining relationships with people who see the world differently. The goal isn’t to stop having convictions. It’s learning to hold those convictions without needing everyone else to agree with us. 00:00 - Welcome to Episode 290 01:27 - Why Do We Care So Much About Being Right? 02:11 - What Are We Really Protecting? 04:54 - When You Can Feel Yourself Needing to Win 06:22 - Would You Change Your Mind If You Had To? 08:19 - What Does Being Right Give Us? 10:18 - What Does Being Wrong Make Us Feel? 11:18 - When Being Wrong Feels Threatening 14:35 - Letting People Believe Differently 17:11 - When Being Wrong Becomes a Spiritual Issue 19:51 - When Certainty Becomes Faithfulness 20:01 - Why Does Disagreement Become Disrespect? 20:52 - Can You Respect Someone You Think Is Wrong? 22:58 - What Research Says About Intellectual Humility 24:06 - The Problem With Staying in Our Own Camps 25:18 - Rapid-Fire Questions About Being Wrong 27:38 - Who Changed Your Mind Without Fighting You? 30:04 - Ask One More Question 31:59 - What’s That to You?

  3. Aug 5

    288. Reframe Part 5: Is God Really Angry?

    For generations, many of us have been taught that God's wrath is His anger directed toward sinful people. But what if we've misunderstood it? In this final message of the Reframe series, Cory explores one of the most misunderstood themes in Scripture and asks a simple but profound question: If Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father, what does that mean for how we understand God's wrath? Looking through the lens of Jesus, this message challenges the idea of an angry, punitive God and presents a different picture—one where God's wrath is His relentless love confronting everything that distorts, enslaves, and dehumanizes us. Rather than destroying people, God's passion is aimed at destroying the lies that keep us from knowing who we've always been. Together, we explore: • What the Bible actually means by "wrath" • Why Romans 1 says God "gave them over" • How Jesus redefined God's character • Why the cross reveals reconciliation, not divine retaliation • The difference between fear-driven religion and love-driven transformation • How God's consuming fire purifies instead of punishes 00:00 - Introduction & Why We're Revisiting Reframe 02:35 - My Journey of Unlearning and Relearning 06:20 - Week 5: Reframing God's Wrath 09:28 - From Fear-Driven Thinking to Peace-Filled Living 12:25 - What If Wrath Isn't God's Anger? 15:35 - The Church's View of Wrath Changed 16:19 - God Is Love, God Is Light 17:52 - The Meaning of "Wrath" in Scripture 19:10 - Romans: Wrath as Natural Consequences 21:32 - Jerusalem, 70 AD & Rejecting Love 24:00 - God's Fire Purifies, Not Punishes 25:11 - Jesus Corrects the Old View of Wrath 29:01 - The Cross Reveals God's True Heart 32:04 - The Old Lens vs. The New Lens 33:29 - Living From Love Instead of Fear 38:09 - Closing Prayer & Final Encouragement

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