The Innovative Therapist

Dr. Shawn Hondorp, PhD, ABPP

Are you a therapist or helper that likes to think deeply and creatively about ways to build trust with our bodies in and out of the therapy office? Do you want to overcome disordered relationships to food so that you can live a life that feels aligned and amazing, and help inspire others to do the same? Do you hate small talk – your idea of fun is deep and meaningful talks about living more courageous and connected lives? If so, then welcome to the Innovative Therapist podcast where we talk about creative ways to heal and build self-trust, Internal Family Systems theory and Parts Psychology, and unlearning the many messages from oppressive systems that lead us away from body trust. I’m Dr. Shawn Hondorp, clinical psychologist. Let’s work together to create safe learning environments for those who want to explore innovative approaches to healing, one authentic conversation at a time. 🌈✌🏻✌🏽✌🏿🌳

  1. 6d ago

    Why You May Still Be Binge Eating Even If You’re Not Dieting

    Episode 177 of The Innovative Therapist Podcast If you struggle with binge eating or emotional eating, you might assume the solution is pretty straightforward: Eat regular meals. Stop dieting. Don’t restrict foods. Practice intuitive eating. And those things can absolutely help. But what happens when you’re doing those things and still feel out of control around food? This was me for years. I knew a LOT about nutrition. I was getting my PhD studying eating and weight disorders. I ate regular meals and snacks. I understood the importance of fueling my body. And I was still incredibly stuck. One of the things I eventually realized was that restriction can be much sneakier than simply not allowing yourself to eat. Ready for support with binge or emotional eating? If you’re tired of knowing what you “should” do but still feeling stuck in cycles with food, I currently work 1:1 with people who want to heal their relationship with food, understand what’s underneath their patterns, and build deeper self-trust. My approach integrates evidence-based psychology with IFS/parts work, somatic awareness, motivation science, and self-compassion. Learn more about working with me 1:1 Or email me directly at info@drshawnhondorp.com to tell me a little about what you’re struggling with and learn more about how I might be able to help. First, What Do We Mean by Binge Eating? When people hear “binge eating,” they often imagine eating a very large amount of food until they’re extremely uncomfortable. And yes, binge eating can look like that. I experienced that kind of binge eating myself. But there’s another experience that doesn’t get talked about nearly as much: feeling out of control around food even when the actual amount of food isn’t objectively large. You might eat a cookie, dessert, or another food you’ve labeled as “bad” and immediately experience intense guilt or shame. The amount of food matters much less to me than what is happening internally. Do you feel out of control? Do you trust yourself around food? Does eating something you weren’t planning to eat trigger guilt, shame, or a need to compensate later? Those experiences can be incredibly distressing, regardless of how much food you actually ate. Restriction Doesn’t Always Look Like Dieting This was a huge piece of my own recovery. When I was struggling with binge eating, I wasn’t necessarily skipping meals or cutting out entire food groups. In fact, I was trying very hard to eat “correctly.” Three meals. Snacks. Adequate protein. Fiber. Meal plans. At different points, I counted calories or points, but even when I stopped explicitly doing that, I could still create a plan for what I believed constituted a healthy day of eating. On the surface, it didn’t necessarily look restrictive. But underneath it? There were still parts of me monitoring, judging, controlling, and worrying about what I ate. And those parts were trying to help me. They weren’t villains. They wanted me to be healthy, feel good in my body, and avoid gaining weight or losing control. The problem was that their attempts to control my eating were inadvertently helping keep the binge-restrict cycle alive. The Restrictive Part of You Might Sound Very Reasonable This is where things can get sneaky. Restriction doesn’t always say: You can’t eat that. Sometimes it sounds like: I’m just trying to be healthy. I should probably choose something with more protein. I already had dessert yesterday. I really shouldn’t be hungry yet. I’ll eat lighter today because we’re going out tonight. Some of those thoughts, in isolation, aren’t necessarily a problem. That’s why I often say that only the person in the body really knows whether something feels restrictive. The question isn’t simply whether a particular food choice is “healthy.” It’s also: Where is that choice coming from? Is it coming from connection with your body and what genuinely feels good? Or is there fear, pressure, guilt, scarcity, or control underneath it? Why Food Can Take Up So Much Mental Space I remember thinking about food constantly. What was I going to eat? What should I order at a restaurant? Had I eaten too much? Should I have dessert? Why couldn’t I stop thinking about this food? At the time, I genuinely felt addicted to food. But something interesting happened as I truly began letting go of restriction: That intense preoccupation with food eventually went away. I don’t mean that I never think about food now. I plan meals for my family. I think about how to nourish myself. I’m currently experimenting with how to make cooking easier and more enjoyable. But food doesn’t have the emotional charge it once did. I can go out with friends and enjoy what looks good to me. Dessert doesn’t become a referendum on whether I’ve been “good.” Food no longer creates that gray cloud that follows me through experiences that I otherwise want to enjoy. And if you’re currently thinking about food all the time, I want you to know that a different relationship with food is possible. Intuitive Eating Isn’t About Never Thinking About Nutrition This is another place where nuance matters. I see intuitive eating as a framework that can help create permission, freedom, autonomy, and choice. That doesn’t mean nutrition suddenly becomes irrelevant. It means that instead of relying exclusively on outside rules, you’re developing the ability to discern what your body needs and make choices from a place of deeper self-trust. That process may look different at different stages of healing. The way you approach foods you used to binge on early in recovery may not look exactly like your relationship with those foods six months, six years, or sixteen years later. That’s okay. The goal isn’t to follow intuitive eating perfectly. The goal is to develop a relationship with yourself where you can increasingly say: I trust myself to figure out what I need. What If the Goal Is Self-Trust, Not Perfect Eating? This is increasingly how I think about my work with binge eating and emotional eating. Of course we look at the behavior. Are you eating enough? Are you unintentionally restricting? What’s happening before a binge? What happens in your body? What thoughts and emotions show up? But I also want to understand the parts of you involved. Is there a part trying desperately to control your eating? A part terrified of weight gain? A rebellious part that’s exhausted from being controlled? A part using food to soothe or disconnect from something painful? Through IFS/parts work, somatic awareness, and evidence-based approaches to behavior change, we can become curious about those parts rather than simply trying to overpower them. Ultimately, we’re building your ability to lead yourself. You Can Care About Your Health Without Controlling Yourself This is one of the nuances I care deeply about. You can want to nourish your body. You can care about sleep, movement, nutrition, hydration, or other health behaviors. You can even have weight-related goals. The question isn’t whether you’re allowed to care about health. It’s whether your attempts to care for yourself are actually helping you develop more trust and connection with your body, or keeping you trapped in fear, shame, and control. These days, I’m still thinking about how I care for my body. I’m working on sleep. I’m drinking more water. I’m eating more plants. I’m figuring out how to make cooking something I actually enjoy. The basics don’t disappear. But they can come from a very different place. Instead of: I have to get myself under control. It can become: How do I deeply care for this body and this life that I have? And how can I make some of that care enjoyable? Listen to Episode 177 🎧 Why You May Still Be Binge Eating Even If You’re Not Dieting In this solo episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I talk about my own 13-year struggle with binge eating, the less obvious ways restriction can show up, why I once felt addicted to food, intuitive eating, and how we can move toward a relationship with food built on greater freedom and self-trust. Hi, I’m Shawn I’m Shawn Hondorp, PhD, a clinical health psychologist. I help people recover from binge eating and emotional eating, build self-trust, and ultimately come more fully alive. And for me, that work goes far beyond food. If you follow me on Instagram, you’ll see me dancing, playing, traveling in ways that immerse me in other cultures, exploring creativity, and experimenting with what it means to build a life that actually feels like mine. Those experiences have been an important part of my own healing and growth, and they’ve only deepened how I approach my 1:1 work. Because ultimately, I don’t think healing your relationship with food is just about eating differently. It’s about learning to listen to yourself, trust yourself, reconnect with your body and desires, and make more room for the parts of you that want to play, create, connect, and feel fully alive. Looking for Help With Binge Eating or Emotional Eating? If you feel like you already know a lot about food but still find yourself stuck in cycles of binge eating, emotional eating, guilt, restriction, or trying to “get back on track,” I’d love to connect. My 1:1 work integrates evidence-based psychology with IFS/parts work, somatic awareness, motivation science, and self-compassion. We aren’t simply trying to give you another set of rules to follow. We can get curious about what’s underneath these patterns, help you develop a different relationship with the parts of you driving them, and build deeper trust in yourself and your body. Learn more about working with me 1:1 Or email me directly at info@drshawnhondorp.com. Tell me a little about what you’re strugglin

  2. Oct 12

    Why Healing Binge & Emotional Eating Is Really About Learning to Trust Yourself

    Episode 176 of The Innovative Therapist Podcast If you struggle with binge eating or emotional eating, you have probably spent years trying to figure out how to get yourself to stop. Stop turning to food when you’re stressed. Stop starting over. Stop knowing exactly what you “should” do and then doing something different. But what if the deeper work isn’t about getting better at controlling yourself? What if it’s about learning to trust yourself? That’s one of the big ideas I explore in Episode 176 of The Innovative Therapist Podcast: Why Healing Binge & Emotional Eating Is Really About Learning to Trust Yourself. Learning to trust and lead yourself through discomfort is very different than controlling yourself. And it’s also the thread connecting much of the work I do. Ready for support with binge or emotional eating? If you’re tired of knowing what you “should” do but still feeling stuck in cycles with food, I currently work 1:1 with people who want to heal their relationship with food, understand what’s underneath their patterns, and build deeper self-trust. My approach integrates evidence-based psychology with IFS/parts work, somatic awareness, motivation science, and self-compassion. [Learn more about working with me 1:1] Or email me directly at info@drshawnhondorp.com to tell me a little about what you’re struggling with and learn more about how I might be able to help. How Can We Use Our Motivation to Actually Help Us Stop Binge Eating? One of the concepts I return to again and again is the difference between controlled motivation and autonomous motivation. Controlled motivation sounds like: I should do this. I need to get myself together. I have to stop eating this way. What will people think? I need to lose weight. Autonomous motivation sounds like: This matters to me. This feels like who I am. I genuinely want this. I’m choosing this. Even if this isn’t always easy, it feels right. That distinction matters because many people who struggle with food have spent years trying to create change through pressure and control. More rules. More monitoring. More shame after breaking the rules. Another attempt to “get back on track.” And yet, the cycle continues. The Part of You That Binges Is Trying to Help This is where parts work and Internal Family Systems (IFS) have deeply influenced how I think about binge eating and emotional eating. Instead of immediately asking: How do I make this behavior go away? We can become curious about it. Maybe food helps a part of you find comfort. Maybe it gives you relief when you’re overwhelmed. Maybe eating is one of the few places where a highly controlled or perfectionistic part of you finally gets to rebel. Maybe it helps you disconnect from emotions or sensations that feel difficult to stay with. That doesn’t mean binge eating isn’t painful or that you can’t work toward changing it. It means we stop treating the behavior as evidence that something is wrong with you and start trying to understand what function it has been serving. This is one reason I incorporate both IFS/parts work and somatic awareness into my work. Instead of staying entirely in our heads, we practice noticing what is happening internally and becoming a more compassionate witness to our own patterns. From there, change can start to look very different. Healing Your Relationship With Food Can Become Something Bigger I’ve been recovered from my own eating disorder for well over a decade. And one thing I’ve learned is that there are layers to this work. First, you may need to get out of the diet-binge cycle. You may need to rebuild trust with hunger, fullness, food, movement, and your body. But eventually, bigger questions can emerge: What do I actually want? What feels like me? Where am I still making decisions based on what I think I should want? What parts of myself have I pushed down because they felt impractical, embarrassing, selfish, or too much? This is where binge eating, motivation, creativity, and self-trust begin to intersect. Because ultimately, healing isn’t only about having fewer food thoughts. It’s about having more capacity to be present for your actual life. From Controlling Yourself to Leading Yourself Self-trust doesn’t mean that every impulse tells us exactly what we should do. It also doesn’t mean abandoning structure or behavior change. For me, it’s much closer to developing inner leadership. Can I notice the part of me that wants to escape? Can I notice the part demanding that I get everything right? Can I feel what’s happening in my body instead of immediately trying to make the discomfort disappear? Can I listen to those parts without allowing fear or shame to make every decision? And can I still choose actions that support the person I want to become? This is a skill. I’ve developed much more self-trust around food and movement, but I still encounter places in my own life where my instinct is to control, worry, overthink, or look outside myself for the “right” answer. The work keeps unfolding. What Does Creativity Have to Do With Any of This? Quite a bit. As I’ve learned to trust myself more, I’ve also made more room for parts of myself that didn’t always have much room to breathe. I’ve danced. I’ve traveled internationally on my own. I’ve experimented with my work. I’ve played. I’ve let myself want things without immediately needing to justify why they are productive. Sometimes following what you deeply want involves discomfort. It might mean challenging yourself, risking failure, being seen, or doing something you’ve never done before. But there’s an important difference between choosing discomfort because something deeply matters to you and chronically forcing yourself through life because you believe you should. That distinction is at the heart of autonomous motivation. And I think it’s also at the heart of becoming more fully yourself. A Different Question to Ask After Emotional Eating or a Binge If you’ve been caught in the binge-shame-control cycle, experiment with curiosity before immediately trying to fix what happened. You might ask: What was happening in my body before I ate? What was I feeling or trying not to feel? What did the part of me that wanted food hope it would give me? Is there another part criticizing me right now? What might I actually need? You don’t need to uncover the perfect psychological explanation. The shift itself matters. You’re moving from: What’s wrong with me? to: What’s happening inside of me? And that’s a very different relationship to have with yourself. Listen to Episode 176 🎧 Why Healing Binge & Emotional Eating Is Really About Learning to Trust Yourself In this solo episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I talk more about my own evolving relationship with food, work, creativity, parenting, play, and self-trust, and why I believe these seemingly separate parts of our lives are deeply connected. Hi, I’m Shawn I’m Shawn Hondorp, PhD, a clinical health psychologist. I help people recover from binge eating and emotional eating, build self-trust, and ultimately come more fully alive. And for me, that work goes far beyond food. If you follow me on Instagram, you’ll see me dancing, playing, traveling in ways that immerse me in other cultures, exploring creativity, and experimenting with what it means to build a life that actually feels like mine. Those experiences have been an important part of my own healing and growth, and they’ve only deepened how I approach my 1:1 work. Because ultimately, I don’t think healing your relationship with food is just about eating differently. It’s about learning to listen to yourself, trust yourself, reconnect with your body and desires, and make more room for the parts of you that want to play, create, connect, and feel fully alive. Looking for Help With Binge Eating or Emotional Eating? If you feel like you already know a lot about food but still find yourself stuck in cycles of binge eating, emotional eating, guilt, restriction, or trying to “get back on track,” I’d love to connect. My 1:1 work integrates evidence-based psychology with IFS/parts work, somatic awareness, motivation science, and self-compassion. We aren’t simply trying to give you another set of rules to follow. We can get curious about what’s underneath these patterns, help you develop a different relationship with the parts of you driving them, and build deeper trust in yourself and your body. [Learn more about working with me 1:1] Or email me directly at info@drshawnhondorp.com. Tell me a little about what you’re struggling with, and we can explore how I might be able to help.

  3. Sep 28

    What If the Life We’ve Been Taught to Want Isn’t What We Actually Need? With Owen & Christina of Culture Chalk

    Episode 175. A podcast conversation about community, courage, enoughness, and our upcoming Mother-Daughter Guatemala Adventure There are some things we can learn just by reading about it. And then there are (many other) things we need to experience. This is one of the reasons I’ve fallen back in love with culturally immersive travel in my 40s. I first traveled to Honduras when I was in college, and something about it in hindsight feels like what became a spiritual path. I loved learning Spanish. I loved experiencing a culture different from my own. And I loved being reminded that the way I had learned to see the world was only one way of seeing it. Then life happened. Graduate school. Building a career. Raising kids. All the achieving and doing that can slowly crowd out the things that once made us feel most alive. Over the last few years, I’ve found myself returning to those parts of myself. And next April, I’m taking my daughter Claire with me. A Mother-Daughter Adventure in Guatemala I’m co-hosting a Mother-Daughter Guatemala Adventure with Christina and Owen of Culture Chalk, and in this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I sat down with them to talk about how this experience came to be. Christina and Owen have five children and moved their family from British Columbia to Guatemala in 2021. What began as something they called “The Giving Experiment” eventually grew into Culture Chalk and a life deeply embedded in their local Guatemalan community. Their original experiment was simple: What would happen if they stopped making money and return on investment the primary factors in their decisions? What would happen if they tried to actually live out their values around generosity, community, and loving their neighbors? Their answers didn’t come from sitting around thinking about these questions. They came from living them. And that theme kept coming up throughout our conversation: Some things can only really be learned through experience. What do our kids learn from the lives we actually live? As parents, we tell our kids to share. We tell them to be grateful. We might tell them that having more stuff won’t necessarily make them happier. We tell them to be kind and generous. We might remind them that other people live differently than we do. But what happens when they actually get to experience another way of living? Owen and Christina described watching their own children become more resourceful, compassionate, and generous as they grew up immersed in their Guatemalan community. They also shared something that really stuck with me: If we want our children to learn generosity, what does it look like for them to actually watch us give? Not just giving away something we don’t need anymore. Giving when it costs us something. Not just telling our kids what matters. Living it in front of them. That’s part of what excites me so much about taking Claire on this trip. What if we let our daughters experience the questions? At one point in our conversation, Christina and Owen described bringing kids into a local family’s home. A child might look around and ask: Where are the beds? And discover that one bed is shared by an entire family. But that same family might be joyfully welcoming visitors into their home, offering them coffee and bread. Suddenly, a child is holding two realities at once. Material scarcity. And deep generosity. Hardship. And joy. There doesn’t have to be a lecture afterward. The experience itself creates the questions. What does it actually mean to have enough? What makes someone wealthy? What do I really need to be happy? What matters to me? Those are questions I want my kids to have the opportunity to wrestle with. And frankly, they’re questions I want to keep wrestling with myself. Connection often isn’t convenient One of my favorite parts of our conversation was hearing about how community functions where Christina and Owen live. They described women gathering at Lake Atitlán to wash clothes together. Yes, washing clothes at home would be easier. But doing laundry at the lake means talking, laughing, sharing stories, watching children play, and being together. We talked about how much of modern life has been designed around convenience. Grocery pickup. Self-checkout. Delivery. Technology that allows us to do almost everything without needing another human being. And yet so many of us feel lonely. Maybe convenience isn’t always the same thing as nourishment. Maybe needing one another isn’t a problem we need to engineer out of our lives. And maybe community itself asks something of us. It asks us to tolerate discomfort. To navigate conflict. To interact with people who see the world differently than we do. To stay curious. Those are muscles I want my kids to develop. They’re muscles I want to keep developing, too. And what about our daughters’ relationships with their bodies? This piece feels especially important to me because of the work I’ve done for years around binge eating, body image, and our relationship with food. I know firsthand how much life can get swallowed up by worrying about food and our bodies. Our appearance. Our weight. And one of the questions I hear from women all the time is: How do I keep my daughter from inheriting this? There’s no perfect answer. But I know I want Claire to experience her body as the incredible vehicle through which she gets to experience her life. Taste incredible food. Walk through a colorful market. Learn. Dance. Explore. Connect. And yes, climb a freaking volcano (an inactive one… don’t worry!). 🌋 I want our girls to experience deeply nourishing themselves physically, emotionally, spiritually, and relationally, while discovering just how much their bodies allow them to do. Nine days that become part of her story The mother-daughter experience Christina and Owen and their family created came partly from Christina reflecting on her own transition into womanhood and asking herself: How do I want this to be different for my daughters? How do we create openness? Trust? Compassion? How do we make room for conversations that everyday life doesn’t always give us space to have? School. Work. Activities. Phones. Laundry. Emails. Dinner. Repeat. Even when we desperately love our kids, it can be surprisingly difficult to create the space to simply be with them. That’s part of why travel has been so powerful for me and Claire. She still talks about a trip we took to Costa Rica together. She remembers what it felt like when it was just the two of us exploring somewhere new. Those experiences become part of our shared history. As Owen put it in our conversation, even nine days can become a fundamental memory a child returns to: I was important. My mom chose this time with me. I learned something about myself here. And that, more than checking Guatemala off a travel bucket list for Claire, is why I’m going. What we’ll experience in Guatemala We’ll spend part of our time in San Juan La Laguna on Lake Atitlán, immersed in the community where Christina, Owen and their 5 kids live and works. The experience includes things like traditional weaving and chocolate making, visiting the market, learning about Mayan history and traditions, exploring villages around Lake Atitlán, cooking and eating incredible local food, and an Amazing Race-style scavenger hunt where the girls get to practice Spanish and navigate the town. Then we’ll travel to Antigua and build toward one pretty spectacular finale: Hiking Acatenango and spending the night overlooking an active volcano. 🌋 Culture Chalk has intentionally designed the experience to gently move families outside their comfort zones while providing support throughout the trip. For me, that’s a huge piece of this. International travel can feel intimidating, especially if you haven’t done much of it with your kids. Group travel helped me build my own confidence traveling internationally with Claire. And interestingly, I had already traveled to San Juan before I ever met Christina and Owen. They had no idea when they reached out to me. And in one of the restaurants they visit often (their final goodbye parties are often there) is where I was hit with an inner knowing to “create family based play and connection experiences.” Just a few of the several strange little synchronicities that made me think: Okay. Maybe I’m supposed to pay attention to this. If part of you is excited and another part is nervous… Good. I get it. When we first started talking seriously about co-hosting this trip, I had the immediate feeling of: YES. This feels right. And then some fearful parts showed up. Not necessarily logical fears. Just the normal uncertainty that comes with doing something new. As Christina talks about in the episode, courage doesn’t mean waiting until fear disappears. Sometimes it’s noticing the fear and getting curious about what lies on the other side of it, and taking the aligned action anyway. So if you’re reading this with a daughter in mind and feeling that little tug of I want to do something like this with her, I’d encourage you to pay attention to it. You don’t have to decide anything today. Start with a conversation. Join us in Guatemala Next April, Claire and I will be joining Christina, her daughter, and a small group of mothers and daughters for this experience in Guatemala, and I’d love to have you with us. You can learn more about the Mother-Daughter Guatemala Adventure through Culture Chalk and secure your spot here: https://culturechalk.org/mother-daughter Read more in this blog post about this trip and the intention behind it here: Meet Your Daughter Somewhere New. And if you’re curious but have questions about whether this would be a good fit for you and your daughter, email me directly at info@d

  4. Sep 14

    How Creativity and Movement Can Help You Heal Trauma and Rebuild Self-Trust with Hannah Sullivan

    Episode 174: How Creativity and Movement Can Help You Heal Trauma and Rebuild Self-Trust with Hannah Sullivan Feeling disconnected from yourself—or wondering what a more authentic, energizing life could look like? Download my free guide, Beyond the Default, for stories and reflection questions to help you reconnect with what you truly want. In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I talk with therapist, choreographer, and dancer Hannah Sullivan about creativity, movement, trauma healing, and self-expression. Hannah shares how dance helped her process complex trauma, connect with her body, and develop a deep sense of autonomy. We also explore how creative practices can help us: Process emotions we can’t simply think our way through Reconnect with our bodies after trauma Strengthen boundaries and self-trust Move beyond perfectionism and people-pleasing Develop more flexible, expansive ways of thinking Follow the “creative breadcrumbs” toward work and lives that feel more aligned Hannah also shares the story behind her documentary films about choosing a preventative mastectomy and going flat—and what it was like to transform an intensely personal experience into art that has helped others feel less alone. You do not need to be a dancer or consider yourself creative to begin. Creativity might mean moving your body, coloring, scribbling, writing, or trying something unfamiliar. The invitation is simply to notice: What helps you feel more present, expressed, and fully yourself? Explore Hannah’s Films and Upcoming Workshop Watch Breasts Not Required: Mastectomy Stories Watch Breasts Not Included: A Mastectomy Story Learn about Feeling Peace in My Body: An Embodiment Workshop for Gender-Expansive Folx Looking for deeper support? I currently have openings for 1:1 work with thoughtful people who want to change longstanding patterns involving perfectionism, people-pleasing, self-neglect, disordered or emotional eating, and difficulty trusting themselves. You can learn more about individual therapy or coaching. You’re also welcome to email me directly at info@drshawnhondorp.com for details and to explore which option may be the best fit.

  5. Sep 7

    Creativity Is Not a “Soft Skill”: Building Community, Belonging, & Brave Leadership with Hannah Berry

    Episode 168: Creativity Is Not a “Soft Skill” — Building Community, Belonging, & Brave Leadership with Hannah Berry ✨ Free resource: Create a Life Beyond the Default (PLUS free Workshop Weds Sept 9th 1-2pm EST, download the guide below and email Shawn at info@drshawnhondorp.com to join us for free) Download the Guide Here Creativity isn’t extra… it’s essential to economically thriving communities. In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I sat down with Hannah Berry, founder of Lions & Rabbits Center for the Arts, for a powerful conversation about creativity, leadership, public art, community-building, and why creative thinking may be one of the most important skills we need moving forward. Hannah’s work sits at the intersection of art, activism, economic development, education, and belonging. What started as an art gallery evolved into murals, public art, weddings, placemaking, workforce development, and cross-sector community leadership. And throughout this conversation, one message became incredibly clear: Creativity is not “soft”. It is strategy. It is healing. It is leadership. And it is deeply needed right now. In This Episode We Explore: ✨ Why creativity and “soft skills” are actually essential leadership skills ✨ How public art, play, and community spaces shape healing and belonging ✨ The connection between creativity, innovation, and economic development ✨ Why therapists, artists, educators, and entrepreneurs need each other ✨ The invisible labor women often carry in leadership and caregiving roles ✨ The role of boundaries, delegation, and support in sustainable leadership ✨ Why intergenerational creative spaces matter for healing and community ✨ How creativity may help us navigate the future of AI, burnout, and disconnection About Hannah Berry Hannah Berry is the Founder and Executive Director of Lions & Rabbits Center for the Arts, where she leads artist-driven public art and placemaking initiatives focused on strengthening community connection and creative economies. Over the past decade, Hannah has partnered with cities, institutions, artists, and community organizations to reimagine how public spaces can foster belonging, civic engagement, and cross-sector collaboration. In addition to her local work, she is involved in national cultural advocacy through Americans for the Arts, supporting efforts to advance creative workforce development and increase recognition for creators as an essential part of thriving communities. Hannah is passionate about empowering creative leaders to solve complex social challenges and build sustainable, arts-based economies. Creativity as Healing & Leadership One of my favorite parts of this conversation was exploring how creativity helps people reconnect with themselves, their bodies, and each other. We talked about: Dance Play Public art Movement Community gathering Intergenerational spaces Creative leadership And how healing often happens far beyond the walls of a therapy office. As Hannah said throughout the episode, creativity touches everything. Not just art. Communication. Facilitation. Innovation. Problem-solving. Systems change. Belonging. Why This Conversation Matters Right Now In a world increasingly shaped by AI, burnout, polarization, and disconnection, this conversation felt especially important. Hannah makes a compelling case that creative thinkers are not “extra” to society. They are essential to helping communities adapt, collaborate, and imagine new possibilities. We also explored the importance of getting “the right people in the right rooms” and why cross-sector collaboration matters so much when solving complex social problems. A Powerful Reminder for Therapists & Helpers This episode deeply affirmed something I’ve been feeling in my own life and work: Creativity is not separate from healing. For many of us, creativity becomes the pathway back to: Aliveness Courage Connection Leadership Purpose Embodiment Community And maybe most importantly… back to ourselves. Learn More About Creative Workforce Advocacy Hannah referenced several national advocacy efforts throughout this conversation related to arts funding, public policy, and creative workforce development. 🔗 Americans for the Arts 🔗 Americans for the Arts Action Center Connect with Hannah & Lions & Rabbits 🌐 Lions & Rabbits Website 📸 Lions & Rabbits Instagram 💌 Join my email list for podcast updates, creative inspiration, and upcoming events: Join the Newsletter Disclaimer: This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.

  6. Aug 31

    There Are Many Ways to Help People Heal: Parenting, Entrepreneurship, & Community Healing with Robyn Gobbel

    Episode 172: There Are Many Ways to Help People Heal: Parenting, Entrepreneurship, & Community Healing with Robyn Gobbel ✨ Free resource: Uncover Your Zone of Genius Download the Guide Here What happens when therapists begin listening to the quiet pull toward something different? In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I sat down with Robyn Gobbel for a rich and deeply honest conversation about parenting, entrepreneurship, nervous systems, innovative business models, community-building, and what it really means to help people heal outside traditional systems. Robyn is the founder of The Baffling Behavior Training Institute, host of The Baffling Behavior Show, creator of The Club membership community for parents of kids with “big baffling behaviors,” and author of Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors. And honestly? This conversation felt like such an important reminder that there are many ways to create healing, connection, and impact in the world. In This Episode We Explore: ✨ Why Robyn stepped away from traditional clinical work ✨ The realities of entrepreneurship and building an online business ✨ Parenting kids with “big baffling behaviors” through a nervous system lens ✨ Why community and co-regulation matter so deeply for parents ✨ The overlap between creativity, leadership, parenting, and entrepreneurship ✨ How therapists can use their gifts outside traditional models ✨ The emotional complexity of leaving the therapy room ✨ Why experimentation and flexibility matter in innovative work From Therapist to Community Builder Robyn shared how she spent years working almost exclusively with children impacted by complex trauma, particularly kids adopted from foster care and internationally. Over time, she began teaching and training other clinicians simply because the need was so enormous and there weren’t enough providers with specialized knowledge. But eventually, through a combination of life circumstances, the pandemic, entrepreneurship, and evolving family needs, Robyn realized she wasn’t going back to traditional one-on-one therapy work. And one of my favorite parts of this conversation was how honestly she talked about that transition. Not from a place of: “I hated therapy.” But from a place of: “There may be another way to use my gifts.” I think so many therapists quietly wonder this. Entrepreneurship Is Hard (And Nobody Talks About That Enough) We also had a very real conversation about online business culture, digital courses, entrepreneurship, and the myths therapists are often sold about building businesses online. Robyn shared how she initially found success with digital courses because she had already spent years blogging and building an audience organically. But she also realized pretty quickly that courses alone didn’t feel deeply satisfying or impactful because many people simply weren’t completing them. And honestly? I appreciated how transparent this part of the conversation was. Because both of us reflected on how easy it is for therapists to internalize: “If this isn’t working, I must be doing something wrong.” When in reality: Building a business is genuinely hard. Especially in today’s landscape. The Power of Community & Co-Regulation One of the most moving parts of the conversation was hearing Robyn talk about her membership community for parents. She described parents arriving in the space completely exhausted, overwhelmed, and stripped of any energy for pretending or performing. And yet… What she’s built is a deeply compassionate, regulated, vulnerable community where parents support each other in profoundly healing ways. As she talked about watching these parents show up for each other, I genuinely got emotional listening to her describe it. Because this is the kind of work I think many of us are craving: meaningful reciprocal deeply human community-centered honest impactful sustainable Not just information. Connection. Creativity, Leadership & Experimentation Another major theme woven throughout this episode was the importance of experimentation, creativity, and flexibility. Robyn described entrepreneurship almost like a process of: trying things paying attention adjusting learning and staying unattached to perfection At one point she shared that she had to untangle business outcomes from her sense of self-worth and instead approach entrepreneurship more playfully: “I’ll try this. Wow, okay. That didn’t go the way I wanted, so I’ll try something else.” Honestly? I loved this framing. Because I think many therapists and helpers are brilliant at overthinking and under-practicing experimentation. And yet creativity, leadership, parenting, and entrepreneurship all seem to require some willingness to stay flexible, playful, and responsive. There Are Many Ways to Help People One of the biggest takeaways from this conversation was this: There are so many ways to help people heal. Sometimes that looks like therapy. Sometimes it looks like: community education podcasts support groups books co-regulation creativity leadership nervous system education or simply helping people feel less alone And maybe part of building an aligned life is allowing ourselves to imagine that our gifts can take many different forms. About Robyn Gobbel Robyn Gobbel is the host of The Baffling Behavior Show and founder of The Baffling Behavior Training Institute. She is the creator of the BBTI Immersion Program for Professionals and The Club, a virtual community supporting parents of kids with big baffling behaviors. Robyn is also the author of the USA Today bestselling book Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors, praised by leaders including Stephen Porges, Tina Payne Bryson, and Laura Markham. Her upcoming guided journal companion releases September 2026. Connect with Robyn 🌐 Robyn Gobbel’s Website Want More Conversations Like This? ✨ Download the free Uncover Your Zone of Genius guide: Zone of Genius Guide 💌 Join my email list for podcast updates, creative inspiration, and upcoming events: Join the Newsletter Disclaimer: This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.

  7. Aug 17

    You Don’t Need More Information. You Need More Self-Trust.

    Are you ready to stop letting shame, fear, or people-pleasing make your decisions for you? I offer a free 30-minute consultation for people who are curious about working with me through therapy or coaching. We can talk about what you’re navigating, what you want to change, and whether I might be the right person to support you. Book a free consultation with me → Episode 171. You Don’t Need More Information. You Need More Self-Trust. There is no shortage of information about how to heal, work, parent, lead, build a business, or create a meaningful life. We can read the books. Listen to the podcasts. Hire the experts. Ask ChatGPT. Learn the strategies. Collect more credentials. And yet, sometimes we still don’t do the thing we already know to do. I’m increasingly convinced that, in those moments, what we need isn’t more information. We need the inner self-trust and leadership to use what we already know. When accomplishment doesn’t create worthiness For a long time, I tried to earn worthiness through achievement. I worked hard. I collected the letters after my name. Those credentials gave me knowledge, opportunities, and a certain kind of confidence—but they could not make me feel worthy. No credential can do that. I see a similar dynamic in therapists and other helpers all the time. We can hide behind our training and expertise while avoiding our own deeper work. We may know how shame operates, yet still let it lead our businesses. We may help clients set boundaries while struggling to advocate for what we need. We may encourage others to value themselves while feeling guilty about charging enough to support our own lives. Money can make these patterns especially visible, but the deeper issue usually isn’t money. It’s worthiness. It’s whether we believe we’re allowed to receive support. Whether we trust ourselves to make choices that depart from the default. Whether we can tolerate being visible without immediately trying to prove, overdeliver, or make ourselves smaller again. What judgment can reveal I recently listened to a podcast conversation with a therapist who charges $600 per session—and receives a tremendous amount of criticism for it. I understand the importance of examining power and ethics in helping relationships. Therapists do hold role power, and harmful or exploitative sales practices deserve scrutiny at any price point. But I also think another person’s choices can activate our own unexamined beliefs. When someone’s rate, boundary, visibility, or success triggers us, we can immediately turn outward and judge them. Or we can become curious about what their choice is bringing up in us. Are we resentful because we don’t feel free to make our own choices? Have we accepted chronic overwork as the price of being a “good” helper? Are we blaming an individual for failing to repair an entire broken system? Is a part of us jealous—and can we be honest enough to listen to what that jealousy might be trying to tell us? This kind of curiosity isn’t always comfortable. But it can show us where we’ve been operating from fear, shame, or an identity we no longer want to inhabit. The real value of support isn’t a list of deliverables This has also changed how I think about investing in support. We’re often taught to evaluate an experience transactionally: How many calls do I get? How many modules? What tangible result will this produce? What exactly am I getting for my money? Those questions aren’t wrong. But they can miss the most valuable part of a truly transformational container. The right therapist, coach, community, or retreat doesn’t simply transfer information to you. It helps you become someone who can access and act from your own wisdom. That kind of shift can be difficult to quantify: Shame gets activated, but it no longer runs the show. You notice the urge to give up before anyone can see you fail—and choose to remain visible. You set a boundary without abandoning your tenderness. You stop waiting for an expert to save you and begin trusting yourself to lead. You make decisions from what feels aligned rather than what protects you from other people’s opinions. These shifts may be invisible, but they change everything. Shame still shows up. It just doesn’t get to lead. I’ve experienced this in my own business. When I create something—a retreat, a community, a small event—there can still be a part of me that worries about what people will think if it doesn’t fill. That part would sometimes prefer to stop talking about the thing, give up early, and avoid the risk of visible failure. In the past, I might have mistaken that protective reaction for intuition. Now, I’m more able to recognize it as shame. I can return to the questions that reflect my actual inner leadership: Do I believe this experience is worth attending? Do I know it could be meaningful for the right person? If so, what is the most aligned next action? Usually, the answer is to keep sharing and inviting people in—openheartedly and unapologetically. The goal isn’t to eliminate fear or shame before we act. It’s to build enough capacity that those feelings no longer make our decisions for us. You are allowed to find freedom inside your life For a while, I thought I needed to move away from therapy to experience more freedom in my work. A rebellious part of me was exhausted by the rules and wanted room to create. I needed to listen to that part rather than immediately talk her out of what she felt. Eventually, I realized that deep 1:1 work is still some of the most fulfilling work I do. I didn’t have to abandon it. I needed to find my own way of practicing—one that allowed for depth, creativity, embodiment, honest relationship, and enough space to remain fully human. Someone else could suggest that answer to me, but I had to discover it for myself. That is true of so many of the dilemmas we face. A good guide does not dictate the answer or ask you to hand over your authority. They help you hear yourself more clearly. They help you see possibilities that shame and fear have made difficult to imagine. They support you as you build the capacity to choose. What becomes possible when you trust yourself? Most of us have absorbed some version of the default: Being a good mother means chronically overgiving. Being a good therapist means accepting exhaustion or undercharging. Being safe means keeping everyone happy. Being responsible means choosing the predictable path. Being worthy means continually proving your value. I don’t want the default. I want a life with room for meaningful work, play, creativity, deep connection, rest, and the full messiness of being human. I want to make decisions rooted in self-trust rather than fear of failure. And I want to help other people discover that this way of living is possible for them, too. The work isn’t about becoming fearless. It’s about becoming more fully yourself. It’s being able to say: This is me. This is what I need. This is what matters to me. And I trust myself enough to move toward it. That transformation is worth our time, energy, and investment—not because we need to fix who we are, but because we deserve the opportunity to live from who we actually are. Ready to explore working together? I work with people who are ready to unlearn people-pleasing, reconnect with their inner wisdom, and build a life that feels more nourishing and alive. My areas of expertise include anxiety, the fawn response, binge and emotional eating, chronic dieting, body trust, and the impact of complex relational patterns. Depending on your needs and location, we may be able to work together through therapy or coaching. Book a free 30-minute consultation → We’ll talk about what you’re experiencing, what you want to become possible, and whether working together feels like the right next step.

  8. Jul 27

    Play Without “Purpose”: Waste of Time or the Lifeforce We’re All Missing? with Kara Latta

    Episode 170: Play Without “Purpose”: Waste of Time or the Lifeforce We’re All Missing? with Kara Latta ✨ Free resource: Uncover Your Zone of Genius Download the Guide Here What if the thing many adults dismiss as “unproductive” is actually the very thing we’re all starving for? In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I sat down with Kara Latta, founder of The Playful Warrior, for a deeply honest and energizing conversation about play, perfectionism, visibility, entrepreneurship, creativity, and what it really means to come alive again. Kara helps adults reconnect with play, spontaneity, joy, and freedom — especially high-achieving perfectionists who have become disconnected from themselves through years of overthinking, pressure, productivity, and self-consciousness. And honestly? This conversation felt like a giant exhale. In This Episode We Explore: ✨ Why play is essential for creativity, healing, and nervous system flexibility ✨ Kara’s journey from PR executive to play coach and retreat host ✨ The fear of being seen, visible, playful, or “too much” ✨ Why adults often resist play — even when they deeply crave it ✨ Entrepreneurship as a path of self-discovery and self-trust ✨ The connection between spontaneity, creativity, and innovation ✨ Why over-preparing and perfectionism disconnect us from aliveness ✨ How following “playful breadcrumbs” can completely change your life About Kara Latta Kara Latta is changing the world through the power of play. As the Founder of The Playful Warrior, she helps ambitious, sensitive humans overcome perfectionism and rediscover joy, confidence, and creativity through the ✨ magic of play ✨. Her playful approach to healing perfectionism has resonated with thousands, and she has been featured on The Morning Show, Breakfast Television, and Shondaland. Kara’s message is simple: play is anything but fluffy. It’s a powerful way to break free from self-doubt, unlock creativity, and make life feel more fun, meaningful, and fulfilling. When Play Feels Uncomfortable One of my favorite parts of this conversation was hearing Kara talk about realizing how disconnected she had become from freedom and joy. Not because she lacked creativity. Not because she lacked talent. But because so much energy was going toward: managing perception trying to get things “right” avoiding awkwardness and protecting herself from judgment I think so many therapists, helpers, and entrepreneurs will resonate with this. Because often the real question isn’t: “How do I become more creative?” It’s: “How do I feel safe enough to actually let myself play?” Play Isn’t Frivolous Kara shared how reconnecting with play during one of the hardest seasons of her life completely transformed her relationship with herself and eventually became her life’s work. And throughout this conversation, one message became incredibly clear: Play is not a waste of time. Play helps us reconnect with: curiosity courage creativity flexibility embodiment innovation confidence spontaneity joy aliveness In a world constantly telling adults to optimize, produce, hustle, and perform… play can feel wildly uncomfortable. But maybe that discomfort is actually pointing us toward something important. Entrepreneurship, Creativity & Learning to Trust Yourself We also had a really honest conversation about entrepreneurship and how building meaningful work often requires becoming a completely different version of yourself. We talked about: visibility online fear of judgment imposter syndrome launching retreats surrender experimentation self-trust people-pleasing and learning to stop over-controlling every outcome At one point, Kara described entrepreneurship as: “a wild self-discovery spiritual journey.” And honestly… I deeply agree. Maybe This Is the Thing We’re Missing The more I reflect on this conversation, the more I keep coming back to this idea: Maybe play without a clear purpose isn’t frivolous. Maybe it’s the lifeforce many of us have lost touch with. And maybe reconnecting with it is part of how we heal, innovate, connect, create, lead, and fully inhabit our lives again. Connect with Kara 🌐 The Playful Warrior Website 📸 The Playful Warrior Instagram Kara offers retreats, coaching, playful experiences, and free resources to help adults reconnect with creativity and joy. Want More Conversations Like This? ✨ Download the free Uncover Your Zone of Genius guide: Zone of Genius Guide 💌 Join my email list for podcast updates, creative inspiration, and upcoming events: Join the Newsletter Disclaimer: This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.

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Are you a therapist or helper that likes to think deeply and creatively about ways to build trust with our bodies in and out of the therapy office? Do you want to overcome disordered relationships to food so that you can live a life that feels aligned and amazing, and help inspire others to do the same? Do you hate small talk – your idea of fun is deep and meaningful talks about living more courageous and connected lives? If so, then welcome to the Innovative Therapist podcast where we talk about creative ways to heal and build self-trust, Internal Family Systems theory and Parts Psychology, and unlearning the many messages from oppressive systems that lead us away from body trust. I’m Dr. Shawn Hondorp, clinical psychologist. Let’s work together to create safe learning environments for those who want to explore innovative approaches to healing, one authentic conversation at a time. 🌈✌🏻✌🏽✌🏿🌳

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