The Innovative Therapist

Dr. Shawn Hondorp, PhD, ABPP

Are you a therapist or helper that likes to think deeply and creatively about ways to build trust with our bodies in and out of the therapy office? Do you want to overcome disordered relationships to food so that you can live a life that feels aligned and amazing, and help inspire others to do the same? Do you hate small talk – your idea of fun is deep and meaningful talks about living more courageous and connected lives? If so, then welcome to the Innovative Therapist podcast where we talk about creative ways to heal and build self-trust, Internal Family Systems theory and Parts Psychology, and unlearning the many messages from oppressive systems that lead us away from body trust. I’m Dr. Shawn Hondorp, clinical psychologist. Let’s work together to create safe learning environments for those who want to explore innovative approaches to healing, one authentic conversation at a time. 🌈✌🏻✌🏽✌🏿🌳

  1. FEB 9

    Creativity, Fear, & Agency for Therapists and Helpers in Uncertain Times

    Episode 157: Creativity, Fear, & Agency in Uncertain Times (from Conversations with a Wounded Healer with Sarah Buino) ✨ Free resource: Uncover Your Zone of Geniushttps://pages.drshawnhondorp.com/zone You don’t need to be fearless to live creatively — you just need agency, permission, and space to choose. Hey friends. Welcome back to the Innovative Therapist Podcast. This episode is a little different than usual — it’s a conversation I had as a guest on Conversations with a Wounded Healer, hosted by the brilliant Sarah Buino — and I wanted to share it here because it speaks so directly to what so many therapists and helpers are wrestling with right now. This conversation felt spacious, honest, and deeply human. We talked about healing, creativity, fear, therapy culture, and what it actually means to feel free — not in a performative or Instagrammable way, but in the quiet, embodied, real-life sense. If you’ve been feeling unsettled, reflective, or quietly hungry for something more aligned lately, I think this one will land. A therapist’s origin story (and what we don’t talk about enough) Sarah asked me about my path into psychology — research, grad school, eating disorder work, and eventually private practice — and what emerged was something I think many of us know but don’t always name: A lot of us came into this field while trying to heal ourselves. We talked about: The shame many therapists carry about their own histories Why self-disclosure is still so taboo in some therapy spaces How different fields (like addiction work) normalize lived experience in ways eating disorder and academic spaces often don’t I shared how long it took me to feel less ashamed of my own healing journey — and how naming it publicly became healing in a new way. Not because it was strategic. But because it helped someone feel less alone. Creativity isn’t “being artistic” — it’s being alive One of the biggest themes of this conversation was creativity, and how misunderstood it is — especially among therapists. So many people tell me: “I’m not creative — I just wanted to hang out with cool people in person.” But creativity isn’t about painting, writing, or performing. It’s about authentic expression. It’s about: Listening to the parts of you that want to move, explore, rest, or try something new Reconnecting with desires that were once shut down for safety or approval Letting play exist without needing to turn it into productivity or impact For me, dance has been a powerful entry point — not because it leads to anything impressive, but because it brings me back into my body, my intuition, and my aliveness. Sometimes I dance for no reason at all.And that, in itself, changes everything. Fear, agency, and the difference between pushing and choosing We spent a lot of time talking about fear — and how different people relate to it. Some of us interpret fear as: “Stop. Don’t do this.” Others are wired to: Push straight through it, no matter the cost What I’m learning (and practicing) is something else entirely: fear doesn’t get to decide — but it does get to be acknowledged. Agency isn’t about being fearless.It’s about knowing you have choice. Choice to pause.Choice to move forward.Choice to change your mind. And in a world that feels increasingly uncertain, cultivating that internal sense of agency matters more than ever. Why this matters right now We also talked about the bigger picture — systems, social media, therapy culture, and why everything feels so polarized and intense. Online, it can feel like everyone is angry, rigid, and divided.Offline, when we actually talk to one another, the nuance returns. I shared how getting back into real, in-person spaces — meetups, conversations, movement, community — reminded me that most people want similar things: safety dignity autonomy

    26 min
  2. JAN 5

    Goals, Alignment and Mapping Your Magic in Uncertain Times

    Episode 156: Goals, Alignment and Mapping Your Magic in Uncertain Times You don’t have to abandon goals to live with more joy and purpose — you just need a different way of relating to them. Hey friends. Welcome back to the Innovative Therapist Podcast. I’m so glad you’re here for this one — it’s our first episode of 2026! Today’s episode came from a place of reflection, space, and intention. I recorded this on the Friday before it drops on Monday, January 5th, curled up in sweats with still-wet hair after a long winter walk in the snow — so if you can feel the cozy in this episode, that’s exactly where I was. I just finished mapping out my goals and intentions for 2026, and I also finished designing a brand new workshop I’ve been working on for several weeks: Mapping Your Magic. In today’s episode, I talk about both of those things — not just to promote the workshop, but to share why this work matters so much. Whether or not you join us live on Wednesday, January 14th from 1–2pm Eastern, there are important ideas here about how to move toward what you want without burning out, overthinking, or defaulting to fear-driven striving. A new relationship with goals I’ve spent the last few years unwinding the ways I chase achievement. I’m in what feels like a three-year cycle of slowing down, healing, and relearning how to pursue goals that feel energizing, aligned, and meaningful, rather than fear-based or perfectionistic. I still care about outcomes — I still set goals and move toward things I want — but the why behind them looks very different now. Instead of pushing, proving, or hustling harder, I ask: What feeling states am I trying to create? What values do these goals serve? Who am I becoming in the process? This isn’t about lowering the bar. It’s about pursuing goals in a way that feels fierce and resilient — on your terms. Why this matters right now We live in a world of growing uncertainty — and as things feel less certain, it’s normal to jump straight to strategy: How do I pivot? How do I diversify my income? What’s the next “right move”? Early in my entrepreneurship journey, that’s exactly what I did. The strategy always came before the self-clarity — and it led to exhaustion. What I’m learning now is this: clarity precedes strategy. Before you ask what you should do — ask who you are and what lights you up. When you pursue goals from alignment instead of scarcity, your body, nervous system, creativity, and energy all follow. Introducing: Mapping Your Magic If you need a space to pause before planning, I designed a workshop for that. Mapping Your Magic is happening live on Wednesday, January 14 from 1–2pm Eastern inside our Inspired Innovators community. In this workshop, I walk you through a creative process I’ve been using privately for years to clarify: What you love What you’re uniquely good at What the world needs from you What you can get paid for This is inspired by the ikigai framework, but expanded into something interactive, visual, and personalized. We’ll slow down before we speed up. You’ll receive:✔ A Canva template to visually map your gifts✔ A workbook with reflection prompts✔ The live workshop + replay✔ Tools you can revisit year after year This isn’t a lecture. It’s experiential, interactive, and designed to help you explore your unique zone of genius — not just your marketable skills. 👉 Learn more and register here (full link: https://pages.drshawnhondorp.com/products/mapping-your-magic-workshop) What you’ll walk away with This workshop gives you three ways to access your gifts: Reflective questions you can sit with on your own Prompts you can ask trusted people in your life An optional Human Design-informed list of gifts (if that resonates for you) You’ll walk away with clarity, visuals, and a process you can return to again and again — not just a list ...

    11 min
  3. 12/15/2025

    Listen to this Before You Pivot Your Career or Diversify Your Income

    Therapists, helpers, and creatives — you weren’t made to burn out. You were made to create from your Zone of Genius.💛 Grab the free guide and start crafting work that energizes (not drains) you.👉 https://pages.drshawnhondorp.com/zone Episode 155: Listen to This Before You Pivot Your Career or Diversify Your Income If you’re a therapist or helper feeling the pressure to pivot, niche down, diversify your income, or “future-proof” your career, this episode is an invitation to pause before jumping to strategy. AI is evolving everything rapidly. The field of therapy is shifting fast. Economic uncertainty is real. And it makes total sense that many of us feel a sense of urgency to figure out what’s next. But in this impromptu solo episode, I want to offer a gentle counterbalance: Before you pivot, diversify, or commit to a new strategy — listen to this. Because when uncertainty rises, it’s incredibly easy to skip the most important step: Asking yourself what actually feels alive, aligned, and right for you. Why This Conversation Matters Right Now Recently, I read a Substack article by Dr. Chris Hoff (host of The Radical Therapist Podcast) outlining predictions about the field of therapy in 2026. I’ll link it here because it sparked a lot of reflection and conversation for me, my friends, and members of our online community. There were so many interesting ideas — therapists as consultants, architects, innovators, leaders outside the traditional therapy room. And while those ideas are exciting, they also highlight something I see over and over: When the world feels uncertain, we rush to pushing, doing, and strategy. We jump to questions like: How do I diversify my income? Should I raise my rates or niche down? Do I need to consult, teach, create a course, or pivot entirely? Those are smart questions. But if we skip over desire, creativity, and embodied knowing, we risk building something that looks good on paper and feels deeply wrong in our bodies. The Step We’re Rarely Taught to Take Most of our systems don’t encourage us to ask: What do I want? They encourage us to: push through sacrifice now for later prioritize productivity over aliveness disconnect from our bodies and intuition So when we start tapping into creativity, play, and desire, it can feel… unsettling. Even threatening. But in my experience, that discomfort is often a sign that something real is waking up. What Play, Creativity, and Joy Actually Do Creativity isn’t just a “nice extra.” It’s how we: tolerate uncertainty build resilience adapt to change strengthen intuition stay connected to ourselves in a rapidly shifting world I see this every day with kids. When they play, they’re not “wasting time.” They’re honing skills — conflict resolution, storytelling, problem-solving, frustration tolerance — because play is engaging enough to keep them trying. As adults, play works the same way. Why Pivoting Too Fast Can Backfire Here’s what I’ve learned personally and through years of working with therapists and helpers: When we pivot from fear, we often recreate the same burnout in a new form. When we pivot from creativity and clarity, we’re far more likely to build something sustainable. This doesn’t mean you quit your stable income overnight. In fact, I’ve intentionally kept my one-on-one therapy work as a grounding foundation while exploring podcasting, community, retreats, writing, and collaborations. And I know that this creative work has made me a better therapist — more present, more energized, more engaged. Mapping Your Magic (The Workshop I’m Teaching in January) Inside the Inspired Innovators Community, I teach a workshop every other month. That rhythm works well for me — I love teaching on topics like these. In January, I’m leading a workshop called: Mapping Your Magic (Wednesday,

    13 min
  4. 12/01/2025

    When Play Feels Scary — What Guilt, Grief, and the Fear of Being Lazy Are Really Trying to Tell You

    Therapists, helpers, and creatives — you weren’t made to burn out. You were made to create from your Zone of Genius.💛 Grab the free guide and start crafting work that energizes (not drains) you.👉 https://pages.drshawnhondorp.com/zone Episode 154: When Play Feels Scary — What Guilt, Grief, and the Fear of Being Lazy Are Really Trying to Tell You If you’ve ever felt pulled toward creativity or play — and immediately felt guilt, fear, or the worry you’re being “lazy” — this episode is for you. Following joy should feel simple… but most of us quickly discover it’s incredibly vulnerable.Because reconnecting with play doesn’t just open the door to joy — it also awakens grief, old protective parts, and long-buried fears about productivity, worth, and being “too much.” In this solo episode, I’m sharing what I’ve been exploring inside the Inspired Innovators online community, in recent talks with psychology interns, and in my own journey with creativity and dance. This one is tender, honest, and very real. Why Play Feels Scary (Even When We Want It) Play looks lighthearted on the outside…but internally, it stirs everything. When we try on a new color, order something different for dinner, sign up for a dance class, or say yes to a creative urge, we bump into old beliefs: “People will judge me.” “This is silly.” “We don’t have time for this.” “You’re being unproductive.” “Remember when you slacked off as a kid and it cost you?” These messages come from protector parts — loyal, hardworking, and terrified of vulnerability. Play isn’t just fun.It’s revealing. Where Grief Shows Up No one talks about the grief that surfaces when we start playing again. The sadness of: realizing how long it’s been noticing what we lost touch with seeing our younger parts resurface feeling regret for the years we muted this part of ourselves remembering the joy we denied or postponed Grief doesn’t mean you’re doing it wrong.It means the joy is real. As Brené Brown teaches, we can’t selectively numb.When joy returns, grief is often sitting right beside it. For me, returning to dance brought both: pure aliveness and deep tenderness for the years I didn’t let myself have it. The Fear of Being “Lazy” This came up inside our community and in conversations with clients: “What if I start following my joy and I can’t stop?”“What if I lose all structure?”“What if play makes me irresponsible?” These fears make total sense. When you’ve been starved of play, rest, or joy, it’s normal for the playful parts to want freedom. They’re not trying to derail your life — they’re trying to catch up. You’re not lazy.You’re under-nourished. And the only way to build trust with your playful parts is by actually letting them out — in small, safe doses. Creativity Isn’t Optional — It’s Survival Creative practice is how we: build resilience enhance problem-solving reconnect with embodiment tolerate frustration navigate change stay mentally alive Especially in a world where AI is shifting the landscape of therapy and helping professions, our uniquely human capacities — empathy, intuition, creativity, storytelling — matter more than ever. Lessons from Watching My Kids Play Watching my kids play recently reminded me: Play is not just fun — it’s how we learn. Kids problem-solve, negotiate, switch roles, and move through discomfort because the play matters enough to keep going. As adults, we need that space too: non-performative messy intuitive embodied alive It strengthens courage, presence, clarity, and connection — all things our field desperately needs. What to Ask Yourself When Play Feels Scary Try these as gentle starting points: ✨ How did I love to play as a kid?✨ What tiny “joy breadcrumb” is calling to me right now?✨ Which protector shows up when I consider doing it?

  5. 11/17/2025

    Dancing Myself Back to Life: What a Solo Taught Me About Healing and Aliveness

    Therapists, helpers, and creatives — you weren’t made to burn out.You were made to create from your Zone of Genius.💛 Grab the free guide and start crafting work that energizes (not drains) you. Episode 153. Dancing Myself Back to Life: What a Solo Taught Me About Healing and Aliveness It’s not every day that you feel yourself come fully alive on stage. This past Sunday at ArtPrize, I had the chance to perform a solo I choreographed — and it turned out to be one of the most healing, transformative experiences of my life. For 3 minutes and 41 seconds, I told my story through movement. I wasn’t muted, apologetic, or self-conscious. I was calm, confident, strong, and excited. Most of all, I felt so incredibly alive. Following the Breadcrumbs This moment didn’t come out of nowhere. Four years ago, I followed a tiny nudge and signed up for a beginner tap class. After nearly two decades away from dance, I quickly noticed how self-consciousness and perfectionism crept in on stage. My body felt stiff, my anxiety was high, and though the stage was exciting, true playfulness felt distant. But I kept following the breadcrumbs. I said yes to more classes, even when they scared me. I performed in shows even when I worried about looking awkward. I danced with friends and noticed my confidence slowly growing. I began experimenting with choreography, movement, and self-expression in ways that felt both terrifying and exhilarating. And step by step, those breadcrumbs led me here: creating a solo to a song by my middle school friend, Courtney Gayle, the incredible voice of the band Gritty Sunset. The Surprise of Calm Confidence Here’s what I told myself while preparing for ArtPrize: Even if I get on stage and feel nervous and stiff, it’s okay. The healing has already come from creating the dance and sharing it with my friends. But then something unexpected happened. When it was time to perform, the nerves I’d been bracing for never came. I didn’t need my grounding notes. I didn’t need the paper I had tucked into my pocket. Instead, I felt calm. Confident. Excited. It was as if a fierce young part of me — a protector who had been muted early in life — finally had permission to come back out and shine. The True Gift The video of my actual performance wasn’t captured — but it doesn’t matter. Because I know what happened. I know how I felt. And most importantly: I believe myself above all else. That, my friends, is the true gift. This experience reminded me that aliveness doesn’t come from waiting for external validation, or perfect conditions, or even a flawless recording. It comes from listening to our inner breadcrumbs, saying yes to what lights us up, and allowing ourselves to be seen. Watch & Support I was honored to be part of a lineup of nine incredible pieces my teacher Amber put together. You can watch them all here:👉 Watch the performances Follow Gritty Sunset I can’t close without pointing you to the voice that carried me through this piece: my friend Courtney Gayle of @iamcourtneygayle and @grittysunset. She is living proof of what it looks like to follow your dreams and share your unique gifts with the world. Main Takeaways from this Convo with Randi Rubenstein This conversation with Randi Rubenstein, parent coach and dear friend, was part reflection, part Internal Family Systems parts processing, and part celebration. Randi has been on the podcast several times before—talking about Pack Leadership and play—and in this episode, we explored what it looks like to bring that same grounded, confident leadership into creative expression and business. Main Takeaways 🎭 Creativity and play are pathways to reclaiming confidence and self-trust. 🌿 Our protector parts can soften when they sense safety, allowing joy to surface. 💫 Embodiment—feeling fully alive in our bodies—is not frivolous; it’s sacred.

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  6. 11/10/2025

    Therapists & Creatives: Why Creativity Is a Burnout Antidote (+ Life Updates)

    Therapists, helpers, and creatives — you weren’t made to burn out.You were made to create from your Zone of Genius.💛 Grab the free guide and start crafting work that energizes (not drains) you. Episode 152: Therapists & Creatives: Why Creativity Is a Burnout Antidote (+ Life Updates) If you’ve felt the tug between meaningful work and your own wellbeing, you’re not alone. After a slow summer and a lot of reflection, I’m more grounded and aligned than I’ve ever been—and I want that for you, too. This post shares what shifted: embracing seasons, following creative breadcrumbs, rethinking the limits of 1:1 therapy, and intentionally building community that restores rather than depletes. Seasons matter (a.k.a. the “goo stage”) I talk often about the butterfly life cycle: we all move through catalyst → cocoon (a.k.a. the goo stage) → emergence. This summer was goo season for me. I pared back, tended to what needed tending, and trusted that momentum would return—and it did. If you’re in a cocoon right now, you’re not broken. You’re becoming. What’s lighting me up this fall Speaking at the Next Level Summit on building income streams that energize, not drain. Developing a talk on Creativity as a Burnout Antidote—how play, humor, and creative practice restore energy and spark innovation. Dancing and choreographing (including my first solo!) and letting that embodied confidence spill into my work and leadership. Following the breadcrumbs (the dance story) I didn’t plan a solo. Life nudged me, I asked a musician friend for a track, and everything clicked. That “yes” led to one of the most healing experiences of my year and reminded me: creativity isn’t extra—it’s a way back to aliveness and clarity in every other part of life. Rethinking therapy’s limits (and why community matters) I’m grateful for therapy—and I’m also honest about its limits inside traditional containers. Some of my deepest healing has come outside the therapy room: through movement, story, laughter, friendship, and small groups that hold me while I build a life that fits. That’s part of why I’m building spaces for therapists and creatives to do this work together. A frame I love: Daniel Pink’s A Whole New Mind Pink argues we’re moving from the Information Age into the Conceptual Age—where six “senses” become indispensable: Design – make things useful and beautiful. Story – weave meaning; don’t just stack facts. Symphony – see patterns and connect the dots. Empathy – understand and be with human experience. Play – use humor and joy to fuel creativity and resilience. Meaning – pursue purpose and connection, not just performance. If you’re a therapist or helper, you’re already fluent in many of these. The invitation is to bring them to the center of your work—not just the edges. Contribution + Fulfillment = An Aligned Life We crave contribution—to help, teach, build, and heal. But contribution alone leads to self-sacrifice and burnout. We also need fulfillment—creative passion, joy, and work that feels like us. Fulfillment alone can veer into emptiness. The sweet spot? Both. Introducing: the Inspired Innovators Mastermind I’ve launched a small, co-creative, online community for therapists, helpers, and creative entrepreneurs who want to build work that feels alive, sustainable, and aligned—and do it together. What’s inside (founding version): Weekly Monday grounding & body-doubling (9:00–9:45 AM): arrive, settle, and get the next right thing done. Twice-monthly creative-flow sessions (writing, movement, music, embodiment). Monthly workshop (I teach every other month; we bring in aligned guest teachers, too). Retreat priority: first dibs on our Lake Michigan creative retreat (Oct 2026), limited spots. Founding rate: $297/month starting Mon, Nov 11 (limited founding seats). If you’re craving a small, brave community to explore your Zone of Genius and build energizing...

    21 min
  7. 05/26/2025

    Why Creativity Isn’t Optional Anymore for Therapists and Helpers (Season 5 Finale)

    Episode 151: Why Creativity Isn’t Optional Anymore for Therapists and Helpers (Season 5 Finale) ✨ Free Resource: Uncover Your Zone of GeniusFeeling stuck or burned out? Consider this your permission slip to come alive again.Grab my free Zone of Genius guide here: https://pages.drshawnhondorp.com/zone What if your burnout is actually a signal that it’s time to shift?What if the path back to fulfillment isn't more certifications or better time management—but more creativity, play, and aligned living? If you’re a therapist, helping professional, or creative entrepreneur feeling burned out, stuck, or unsure how to keep showing up in this field you used to love… this episode is for you. In this solo season finale of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I share what I’ve learned in Season 5—and in my own life—about why creativity isn’t optional anymore. Not just as a bonus. But as a necessary part of sustainable, meaningful work. A Season of Alignment, Creativity, and Courage This season has been the most “me” the podcast has ever felt. We talked about creative living, storytelling, nervous system regulation, entrepreneurship, embodiment, and how to do more of the work that lights us up. And behind the scenes? I turned 40.I danced in a contemporary show.I choreographed a duet with my friend Allie about perfectionism and authenticity.I celebrated, rested, cried, and reimagined what I want to build. And most importantly—I listened.To my body. To my joy. And to the parts of me that still get scared when I try something new. If You're Asking “What Else Can I Do With My Therapy Skills?”… You're Not Alone. Many of us became therapists or helpers because we’re deeply empathetic and want to create change. But somewhere along the way, you might find yourself asking: How do I keep going when I’m burned out? What other career paths exist for therapists like me? How can I use my gifts without sacrificing my well-being? Is it okay to want something different—even if I’ve invested so much into this path? I hear these questions all the time from folks in my community. And I’ve asked them myself. Which is why this episode is about offering both reflection and direction. Because creativity, when we make space for it, helps us unlock new answers to these questions. Why Creativity Matters—Especially Now Here’s what I believe:Creativity and joy aren’t frivolous. They’re essential. They help us connect with our own aliveness. They open up possibilities. They offer healing not only for ourselves, but for our clients and communities. And they are especially important for therapists and helping professionals navigating: Burnout and compassion fatigue A changing mental health landscape Systems that reward overworking and self-sacrifice The desire for more flexibility, freedom, and fulfillment In short? Creativity is your asset.Not a distraction. Not a hobby. But a path to deeper alignment and more sustainable impact. Tools + Resources for Burned Out Therapists & Creative Helpers If you’re feeling stuck, uninspired, or unsure how to move forward, here are two simple ways to begin reconnecting with your Zone of Genius: 🔍 Free Resource: Uncover Your Zone of Genius GuideA short, powerful reflection tool to help you identify the work that brings you joy and flow. It’s helped dozens of therapists and creative entrepreneurs start imagining new ways to use their skills—with more ease and purpose.➡️ Download it here 🌿 New Offering: The Intentional CollectiveA virtual, low-pressure weekly gathering for therapists and helpers who want to make space for creativity, rest, or aligned work.We meet for 45 minutes on Monday mornings to ground, reflect, and set intentions for the week.This isn’t a course. It’s a container for support, accountability, and space to explore your next right step. Get more details and join here.

    34 min
  8. 05/19/2025

    Finding Community, Healing Together, and Living in Alignment

    Episode 150: Finding Community, Healing Together, and Living in Alignment with Randi Rubenstein What does it mean to find real community in a world that often feels disconnected? In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I sat down with Randi Rubenstein for the final conversation in our three-part series on Creativity, Entrepreneurship, and Living an Aligned Life. This time, we explored the transformative role of community in healing, leadership, and building a more connected and joyful life. From the mastermind group Randi accidentally created years ago to the healing communities I’ve found through dance, parenting circles, and entrepreneur spaces, we both reflect on the power of being seen, held, and co-creating with others. But we also don’t shy away from the complexity—how community can also bring up fear, past wounding, and the need for strong Pack Leadership (Randi’s term for grounded, non-reactive leadership rooted in care). Here’s what we explore in this deep and energizing conversation: ✨ What makes a community feel safe, healing, and energizing (vs. performative or depleting)✨ How strong Pack Leadership creates safety and builds trust✨ Why we often carry wounds from early communities and how to find spaces that help us heal✨ The connection between novelty, leadership style, and nervous system regulation✨ Why co-creating (vs. top-down leading) is the secret to sustainable group work✨ How our own zones of genius show up in leadership roles✨ Navigating sensitivity and overwhelm when leading or participating in group spaces The Truth About Healing in Community One of the biggest takeaways? While we are wounded in community, we are also healed in community. The difference lies in the presence of safe, emotionally regulated leadership. Randi shares how the community she built within Mastermind Parenting grew out of a simple parenting course—and how the women in that group didn’t want to leave because they finally felt held. That accidental community is now a co-created space that has helped women start businesses, change their lives, and feel a sense of deep belonging. Pack Leadership and Co-Creation: The Container Matters We unpack how Pack Leadership (a grounded, non-reactive presence that models calm confidence and sets clear boundaries) is essential for a safe group space. But not the "dominate or control" kind of leadership—this is about responding from our Self energy and encouraging everyone to bring their voice and genius to the table. Co-creation is the heart of it all. Whether it’s a mastermind group, a dance retreat, or a kitchen-table podcast, there is power in shared ownership. That’s what turns a program or group into a community. Feeling Too Much? You’re Not Alone. As two sensitive leaders, Randi and I also talk about how it can be hard to feel the pain of others so deeply—and how to stay grounded and effective as a community builder. Whether you’re leading a large group or building small, intentional spaces, trusting your energy, pace, and personal capacity is vital. Aligned Leadership Means Trusting Yourself We also explore how our nervous systems guide us toward the right communities. Randi shares her "straightjacket or skinny dipping" metaphor for gauging how a space feels in your body. Does it feel constrictive or expansive? Energizing or draining? That intuitive guidance is part of aligned leadership. Where Community Shows Up From mastermind groups to dance studios, local creative meetups, and therapist circles, we reflect on where we’ve found aligned, life-giving community. It takes courage to find your people—and to walk away from spaces that don’t feel right. But it’s worth it. Loved this Convo? Don't Miss the Other 3 Convos with Randi This Season: Pack Leadership: The Most Life Changing Concept I've Learned Since Intuitive Eating Creativity, Play, and Getting More of What You Want Want to Keep the Conversation Going?

    35 min

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Are you a therapist or helper that likes to think deeply and creatively about ways to build trust with our bodies in and out of the therapy office? Do you want to overcome disordered relationships to food so that you can live a life that feels aligned and amazing, and help inspire others to do the same? Do you hate small talk – your idea of fun is deep and meaningful talks about living more courageous and connected lives? If so, then welcome to the Innovative Therapist podcast where we talk about creative ways to heal and build self-trust, Internal Family Systems theory and Parts Psychology, and unlearning the many messages from oppressive systems that lead us away from body trust. I’m Dr. Shawn Hondorp, clinical psychologist. Let’s work together to create safe learning environments for those who want to explore innovative approaches to healing, one authentic conversation at a time. 🌈✌🏻✌🏽✌🏿🌳