On the Soul's Terms

Chris Skidmore

The wisdom of stories. Approaching what the ancients knew. On the Soul's Terms: The Podcast

  1. Oct 16

    #136 | Toko-pa Turner | Aphrodite Anadyomene

    Anadyomene is an ancient epithet connected to Aphrodite. It means ‘she who is rising up from the sea’ and refers to the moment in mythology, recorded for us by the shepherd, Hesiod, when the goddess of beauty is born from the ocean in the midst of unimaginable (yet thoroughly imagined) trauma.  It felt an apt title for this episode. Somewhere in the dreaming ocean of this conversation with Toko-pa Turner Beauty emerges amongst stories of loss, pain, loneliness, isolation and disconnection.  To quote Toko-pa, ‘Beauty is a metabolised grief.’ Toko-pa Turner is an award-winning author of The Dreaming Way and Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home. She is also a teacher and dreamworker whose work explores the relationship between psyche and nature. Blending animism with a Jungian approach to dreamwork, she reveals the kinship between the imaginal and material worlds. In this episode, Toko-pa shares with us her love of wisdom (philo-sophia). We discuss dreams as a form of interior intelligence that we can build a relationship with rather than explain away or flatten out. Through the dream doors that open up we find ourselves lamenting the loss of the ‘edge’ of the village, or rather, that the edge has become a terrifying place in the current world. So where is the mystic to live? The conversation then moves into the themes of Toko-pa’s first book, Belonging, and how exile and belonging are two sides of the same sphere. And from this place, as mentioned above, beauty seems to spontaneously emerge, which takes us into the idea of the ‘dream tent’ and ways of dreaming collectively.  If you enjoy this conversation you might like to connect with Toko-pa’s work. To do so go to her website or get a hold of her wonderful books (links below). Podcast Artwork: Moonrise on an Empty Shore , Caspar David Friedrich (1837/1839) References Toko-pa Turner — Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home and The Dreaming Way: Courting the Wisdom of Dreams. Toko-pa's website Nikki Giovanni — poet; the source of the phrase about bearing pleasure that Toko-pa discusses. Poetry Foundation James Hillman — depth psychologist, referenced in relation to self-betrayal. James Hillman Institute. His concept of the Acorn Theory is expanded upon in The Soul's Code. Carl Jung — referenced in relation to dreamwork and depth psychology. Jung Institute Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #136 | Toko-pa Turner | Aphrodite Anadyomene
  2. Oct 9

    #135 | Venus & the lost star of desire

    Venus is the sphere in which we ponder Love, Beauty, Harmony, Pleasure, Value (and our Values) and Worth (and that niggling question, 'Am I Worthy?). In our chart she represents how you attract others, express affection, handle finances and appreciate the finer things in life.  In the current sky, Venus in Scorpio is retrograde and about to disappear from the evening sky. She's on her way to meet the Sun at 0° Scorpio before returning to her home in Libra and rising again as the morning star.  This episode is a companion to that journey; a deep dive into her realm. Sappho, her most cherished devotee, will start us off on the right foot. Then we follow her mythic threads with the help of Aphrodite and Eros from their most primordial essence through to how they are imagined in the harsh HD lights of the modern day.  Part Two of the Podcast follows the Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite in its entirety. Aphrodite, disguised as a maiden, approaches the unsuspecting Trojan, Anchises. The poem is a rare glimpse of Aphrodite's world from the inside. Including her powerful effect on all creatures in existence to bring them the gifts of love along with its accompanying strife.  The episode cover art is Venus de Milo – the Louvre REFERENCES Sappho — Fragments Especially Fragment 5. The Poems of Sappho — Wikisource Hesiod — Theogony For the primordial Eros and the genealogy of Aphrodite. Hesiod, Theogony — Perseus Digital Library Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite (Hymn 5) The central mythological source for the second half of this episode. Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite — Harvard Center for Hellenic Studies Homer — Iliad, Book 5 For Aphrodite's wounding and her relationship with Aeneas. Homer, Iliad — Perseus Digital Library Virgil — Aeneid, Book 1 For Aeneas, Venus, and the aftermath of Troy. Virgil, Aeneid — Perseus Digital Library Empedocles — Love and Strife For the conception of Love as a fundamental cosmic force. Empedocles — Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy David Abram — The Spell of the Sensuous For the discussion of sensual perception and our embodied relationship with the world. David Abram — The Spell of the Sensuous Chris and Melanie talk Venus & Inanna On Spotify Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #135 | Venus & the lost star of desire
  3. Sep 25

    #134 | Venus & Inanna | with Melanie Reinhart

    Venus in the sky is currently at her highest glory (elongation (distance from the sun)). That's the moment that, like Inanna, she hears the call from the Great Above to the Great Below and decides to descend. She moves through the seven gates, each gate demanding that she remove one of her signals of power in the upper realms.  Melanie Reinhart joins me to talk about her own observations of this myth. It has particularly come alive for her since she started tracking the resonance of her inner world with the movements of Venus through its five-pointed star pattern since 1983. We discuss Melanie's connection to folklorist, Diane Wolkstein. Diane was a storyteller who held court in Central Park, NY, in an official capacity as resident storyteller for many years. Following her curiosity about ancient tales, Diane tracked down Samuel Noah Kramer, a leading Sumerologist in his field whose job it was to translate cuneiform texts.  Together they wrote the book Inanna: Queen of Heaven and Earth (see link below). Kramer translated Cuneiform into English, Wolkstein translated English into Story. From their tireless and persistent work togehter the ancient myth made its way into the modern world.  It's more than just a story of descent. It's a story of ecstacy, longing, commitment, obligation, love, loss, rage and redemption... amongst other things.  In this Special Edition episode, aligned with the Times, Melanie shares with us a generous offering of her life experience, client observations and participation in the coming to life of this epic tale into the modern era.  Timeless wisdom for a world in thirst of soul.  Podcast Image: Ancient Akkadian cylinder seal depicting the goddess Inanna resting her foot on the back of a lion while Ninshubur stands in front of her paying obeisance, c. 2350–2150 BCE Resources Sylvia Brinton Perera — Descent to the Goddess (1981)Diane Wolkstein & Samuel Noah Kramer — Inanna: Queen of Heaven and Earth (1983)Diane Wolkstein — The First Love Stories: From Isis and Osiris to Tristan and IseultSamuel Noah Kramer — Sumerologist / translations of the Inanna cuneiform texts Ariel Guttman — Venus Star Point / Venus cycle Dane Rudhyar — birth as the moment of separation / cutting of the cord Alice Bailey — Venus as esoteric ruler of Gemini Irving Finkel — British Museum / Sumerian material and the Queen's Lyre Rumi — poem concerning love and removing the obstacles to love Adonis / Aphrodite — later mythic development of the dying-and-returning lover and lamentation tradition Rogerian therapy / Carl Rogers — mirroring/reflective listening, in relation to the Kurgarra Queen's Lyre of Ur — Sumerian lyre, British Museum / Baghdad Museum restoration storyJoin the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #134 | Venus & Inanna | with Melanie Reinhart
  4. Sep 17

    #133 | Mercury at the Threshold

    Mercury is the smallest planet in our solar system, closest to the sun, taking a magical 88 days for a year. It travels fast but spins slowly – a day being 1.5 times as long as a year – with a quirky, egg-shaped orbit. Small with a big character. That kind of sums up mythical Hermes (Mercury) who, on the first day of his life, invents music, fire and ritual, steals Apollo's cattle and snuggles back into his blanket like nothing happened.  To get in touch with this endlessly paradoxical being we begin with his Orphic Hymn: an invocation of the god. Only, of course, there isn't one hymn but two. Already he has found a way to 'twin' himself. The first hymn gives us a sense of his role as messenger – his 'day job' – the second as psychopomp: guide of souls who assists us through the many deaths of our lives.  That's the thing about Hermes/Mercury. We meet him at the threshold. Even astrologically he is the third in a set of three. He revises where we've been and sets us up for where we're going next.  Of course, being an episode about words themselves, there had to be some poetry involved. Dylan Thomas takes us in with On the Words in Poetry – essentially a love song dedicated to the magic of words themselves. And then, to close us out, a poem called, if this isn't too on the nose, Magic Words.  References Homeric Hymn to Hermes — Theoi Classical Texts Library Orphic Hymns — Apostolos N. Athanassakis & Benjamin M. Wolkow, The Orphic Hymns — Johns Hopkins University PressThe Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart — Robert Bly, James Hillman & Michael Meade — Open LibraryDylan Thomas — “On the Words in Poetry” — from The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart“Magic Words” — from The Rag and Bone Shop of the HeartTim Minchin — “Prejudice” — YouTubeTim Minchin — “If You Open Your Mind Too Much Your Brain Will Fall Out” — Tim MinchinSigmund Freud / “Freudian slip” — APA Dictionary of Psychology Arnold Mindell — “Discovering the World in the Individual: The World Channel in Psychotherapy” — Process Work Hermes — Theoi Greek Mythology — Hermes Hermes, the herma, fire, lyre and psychopomp — Theoi: HermesJoin the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #133 | Mercury at the Threshold
  5. Sep 10

    #132 | Brian Clark | Mercury, Hermes & Life on the Road

    Today I’m joined by mentor, guide and friend of the podcast, Brian Clark.  It’s time to enter the world of Hermes, guide of souls, the one we meet on the road who can lead us away from home and lead us back when the time is right.  We begin our discussion by talking about mythological Hermes, tracing his origins back to Mycenaean culture where he was known as the ‘herma’ – a pile of rocks that we still have in our language today as the ‘milestone’.  Brian and I discuss moments in our lives, of which there are far more than we could possibly mention, of when we had a plan and Hermes had an alternative. Once off the track of what we thought might happen we are in the hands of Hermes or Mercury and on the pathless path where the mystery, unmistakably, is unfolding at our feet.  From here we go into the more technical realm of Mercury the planet. The numbers that are associated with his relationship to the sun, including Pi – that endless rambling number that seems random but follows an invisible order. And we suggest some ways to work with Mercury and its cycles in order to follow its intrinsic patterns, tend to the mind and thread together ideas so that they might become fruitful projects over time.  I decided to leave the conversation unedited. The moments of wrestling with an idea, or getting things wrong, or taking the apparently wrong path, seem an important part of the contemplation of Hermes Mercurius. Without that tension, that wrestling match, that confusion, those strange crossroads, we’re unlikely to receive that little bag of gold that Hermes holds in his hand, the one that isn’t holding the Caduceus.  Resources Mentioned Books & Texts Lewis Hyde — Trickster Makes This WorldHomer — The IliadHomer — The OdysseyHomeric Hymn to HermesAuthors & Thinkers David AbramDane RudhyarMythological References Hermes / MercuryPerseus and MedusaKairosPrometheus and EpimetheusMetisMnemosyneSnow White / Sleeping BeautyAstrology & Astronomy Mercury's Promethean and Epimethean phasesMercury's retrograde cyclesMercury's inferior and superior conjunctionsMercury's greatest elongationThe ~116-day Mercury cycleThe relationship between Mercury's cycles, 22/7, and πAstrosynthesis Brian Clark & Glennys Lawton — Astrosynthesis Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #132 | Brian Clark | Mercury, Hermes & Life on the Road
  6. Aug 21

    #131 | Spyros Siamos | The Clarifying Light at the Centre of it All

    Spyros Siamos is an energy healer, esoteric author, and former mathematics teacher based in Messinia, Greece. He lives on a coastal olive grove situated near an ancient Temple of Apollo, where he conducts one-on-one healing sessions and hosts sound therapy, meditation, and spiritual workshops. A father of two and author of three books on esotericism, Spyros has explored various healing modalities and trained in Peruvian Shamanism for over ten years. He recently established Esothen Messinia—a dedicated space created to host accessible, low-budget creative and spiritual holidays, as well as affordable retreats in Greece. English is not Spyros' first language. Many of the concepts we touch on in this episode are ones that he wishes he could wax poetic on in his mother tongue. Never the less, this apparent limitation gives us, the listener, the opportunity to, like Apollo, allow ourselves to be engaged in the struggle of birthing the light. We begin with Spyros' childhood. His father taught primary and encouraged his interest in the ancient myths of his culture that were taught in early education. Spyros experienced myth as a way of tapping into the threads of history.  Once in high school, myth was no longer taught. He replaced mythology with philosophy as that's what was considered to be the sensible thing to learn. To put away childish things.  Then, through his exploration of the interior landscapes with a Peruvian Shaman, in the depth of his own consciousness, the mythic figures he'd learned about in early education returned as guides. First Athena, Aphrodite, Dionysus and others. And after a few years, Apollo.  It was this first hand experience with the gods that I wanted to connect to On the Soul's Terms. Apollo (or the astrological Sun) not just as a concept that we can form opinions on and argue on the costs and benefits of such a god, but as an emergent, embodied, felt sense experience that is personified in Ancient Greek culture as the deity of light, harmony, balance and a clarifying light at the centre of it all.  Later in the episode we touch on how and where Apollo has shown up in Spyros' healing work. Including the first time, when he was in the position of healer for a young man who had gone into a coma following a motorcycle accident. Here the god helped him to stay in a state of observation whilst the pain, suffering and emotion swirled all around him. We talk about the cultivation of the mind necessary to be in right relationship with such potent energy fields. And the risk, that Spyros himself has suffered personally, of having one's system blown open when that light is unmediated.  Which draws us to the field of the Muses or the Angels or the Daimones. Whatever one might call that layers of consciousness that is neither this nor that, both... and. And how they can help us to create from a steady hearth rather than from bright sparks that leave us singed in the end.  Spyros will be hosting a retreat for men in Greece in October. I'll be personally attending. For more information on that click here.  The episode artwork is from the West Pediment in the museum in Olympia. We discuss the scene in the episode – The Centaurs vs the Lapiths. Apollo stands in the centre of a chaotic battle between consciousness and instinct. Victory, in this sense, is not a case of overpowering the instinct, but of locating the light whilst being open to it all. Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #131 | Spyros Siamos | The Clarifying Light at the Centre of it All
  7. Aug 16

    #130 | The Odyssey

    Firstly I suppose I should say... *Spoiler Alert* Although let's face it, the story is over 3,000 years old. By now you should probably have heard of it.  Secondly, there is a Post Script here to listen out for. An 'after the credits' scene if you will. Definitely stay tuned for that part. It ties the episode together.  The episode itself has been brewing for the last month, since the release of Nolan's The Odyssey in cinemas worldwide.  Of course, everyone with even a pinky toe in the world of Greek Mythology has commented on it by now. And in that sense, I'm certainly late to the party.  Still, it didn't feel right to miss the opportunity altogether. So here is my contribution. After watching the movie I went back to read the Iliad followed by the Odyssey. About 30 hours of reading. I wanted to become steeped in that mythic landscape. To imagine myself in an ancient hall, lit by torches and the hearth, being transported into another world by the rhythmic tones of the bard. It was that trance state I wanted to enter, as best as one can when actually just reading lines on a page translated into English that don't actually retain that rhythm and flow. And juxtapose that trance with the modern version of staring at a screen. Both of these forms take you to another world. The bard exercises your ability to generate images inside of your mind. The movie screen generates the images for you.  All this to say, I wanted to speak from my personal experience of Odysseus, as our most polymorphic of literary characters, and how it connects to the great quest of our lives: becoming who we actually are.  I consider that to be what the sun is symbolic of in astrology. Not as seperate from the moon, but as an extension of it. To be oneself and fully related. That would be the 'soli-lunar' task of becoming.  So this episode, which is a BONUS episode within the planets series, is a chance to enter Odysseus' world. His naming ritual that coincides with his wounding. His movement out of the cave and into the light past the threshold guardian. The owning of his name, his lineage, his place and his fame. And his return home to reclaim his throne. A throne that is threatened by many false selves that we know as 'the suitors'. I'd love to hear what stirs for you in the story. Particularly the places that your mind and soul keep returning to. That (t)horn in the side that draws you back to it again and again. As wounds that have bestowed upon us the endless gifts of our mortal lives.  YouTube and Patreon seem to be the best place to leave comments these days. See you there.  Cover Art is Ulysses deriding Polyphemus - Homer's Odyssey. Joseph Mallord William Turner. 1829. Oil on canvas. The translations I returned to (The Iliad and The Odyssey) were both by Emily Wilson. Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #130 | The Odyssey
  8. Aug 8

    #129 | The Sun | Apollo through the Zodiac

    Doing an episode on the sun, our central fiery point that takes up 99.86% of the mass of our solar system and gives the system itself a name, turned out to be quite the task.  Enormous, if you will.  I've always found that the Sun in astrology felt a little... flat. Two dimensional. It was though we were looking at the image with that singular eye that the sun conjures to our minds. The image of the all-seeing-eye of the Cyclopes that, in reality, has no depth perception.  So, this episode is an effort to add a second eye (I?) to the sun. To see it as a series of 'both... and' propositions. The still centre of it all AND the cacophony of sound and light that springs forth from it. The first breath of creative fire AND every subsequent humble endeavour. And as Apollo, the archer seeing from afar AND the one enamoured with life on earth, particularly the floral world whom he chases but can never obtain.  It's an episode effectively in two parts.  Part One is to get a sense of the sun in Astrology. We sit in the temple (con-templ-ate), we stare at the glyph, we check in with the consensus of the astrological world. Then we feel the sun on our skin, allowing it to penetrate and worm our cells. We even get a sense of the scientific mythos, this ball of self-generating life, so hot at the core, cooler (relatively) at the surface, but then mysteriously blazing again as the 'corona': the sun's own royal crown.  Part Two we get mythic and follow Apollo's many stories, allowing him to morph into the many shapes that our Zodiac itself allows. One moment plucking a lyre and giving us lyricism, the next pulling back the bow and reigning down arrows on his enemies.  The journey takes many twists and turns, but returns us to a central image. Veiling and revelation. Being seen and unseen. Just like his birth place, Delos ("Visible"), at the centre of the Cyklades ("circle"): a humble floating rock from which all golden things are born.  The image is Apollo of the Belvedere at the Vatican Museum.  I am indebted to Carl Kerenyi and his book The Gods of the Greeks.  Also to Apollodrus' Library. And to the extensive work of Brian Clark on astrosynthesis.com.au. (It's a fun co-incidence that this episode is released on 'Lion's Gate' 8.8.2026) Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #129 | The Sun | Apollo through the Zodiac
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