On the Soul's Terms

Chris Skidmore

The wisdom of stories. Approaching what the ancients knew. On the Soul's Terms: The Podcast

  1. 8h ago

    #138 | The Mythic Masculine | with Ian MacKenzie

    "The loss of the way of the village, to me ,that's the story. That's the story behind every story." Ian MacKenzie is a filmmaker, mythopoetic guide, and founder of The Mythic Masculine and co-founder of the Cascadia Men's Conference. His films - Sacred Economics, Amplify Her, Lost Nation Road, and The Village of Lovers - explored the intersection of culture, love, and community that eventually led him to men's work. He joins me today as my second Mars guest (Michael Meade, episode #137, being the first). Central to our conversation is his seven-year journey with his own podcast, The Mythic Masculine, and what he has learned along the way.  After the quotation above, he goes on to speak of his long-term teacher, mentor and guide, Stephen Jenkinson. Stephen offers a metaphor for this wound; the impact of globalisation and the decimation of village.  "... when some things happen so far in the past... the forgetting, multi-generations of forgetting... it's like pitching your tent in a valley, not realising that it's actually a crater. "It's a crater of this meteor, this great undoing that happened a long time ago. And so even the memory, the whispers of it being otherwise are so far gone..." The image in the background of this podcast cover is a crater on Mars. The wider image shows a lander called 'Phoenix' descending into the crater.  And so, this episode is that descent. So that the phoenix might rise from the ashes of the lost archetypes of the Martian world and offer us new/ancient visions of what this energy is for. "At the core of the inquiry, at least for me as well and for the tradition, has been how do we mature men? How do we mature masculinity? And how do we reorient it to its proper... [purpose]?" "Pat McCabe... would say to realign masculinity with thriving life." References & Further Exploration Books & Authors Women Who Run With the Wolves — Clarissa Pinkola EstésIron John — Robert BlyKing, Warrior, Magician, Lover — Robert Moore & Douglas GilletteJ.R.R. Tolkien — The Lord of the RingsPeople & Thinkers Carl JungJames HillmanMarion WoodmanMichael MeadeStephen JenkinsonMartin ShawPat McCabeRumiFilms Amplify Her — Ian McKenzie & Nicole SorkinThe Village of Lovers — Ian McKenzieCommunities & Gatherings Minnesota Men's ConferenceCascadia Men's ConferenceTamera, PortugalMythological & Archetypal Figures DionysusAriadneChironHerculesNessusThe HydraThe Wounded HealerPuer AeternusJoin the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #138 | The Mythic Masculine | with Ian MacKenzie
  2. Nov 5

    #137 | Mars: The Inner Initiate | Michael Meade

    The podcast cover image is taken by the Rover on Mars, showing the rocky and cracked landscape of our twin planet, our big brother, serving as a reminder of what can happen on a planet if the shadows of Mars: Phobos and Demos (Panic and Terror) get out of hand.  Hovering above the land is a burning heart. That image came to Michael Meade in a dream and later became the cover for his new book, The Heart of Transformation, that was released recently into the world.  The book is really three books in one: Book I: Metamorphosis and Metaphors Book II: A Liminal Time on Earth Book III: Crossing the River of Time Our conversation today follows a similar three part sequence: Part One: The initiatory journey: death, rebirth and the discovery of our gifts In this section we follow a Mayan story that was presented in Michael's book. The story of Poder. He's born with a gift but it is hidden from him by the midwife, the only one who sees it. She hides it in a cave in a mountain and it's there he has to find it again, initiated by the seers who live there, able to slowly train him into his path.  Part Two: The warrior, the wound and the return to community We find ourselves deep in the chrysalis here, talking about Michael's personal experience of the rite of passage of his life. Drawn into the Vietnam War but refusing to kill the innocent, Michael finds himself in solitary confinement. Later, he finds redemption and blessings from veterans returning from the war who are able to acknowledge the archetypal warrior within.  Part Three: The recreation of culture: Eros, AI and the heart within the heart In this section we tackle the transformation of the broader world story. Michael drops one of his wisdom bombs on us here: Life is the illness. What you love is the cure. We then turn our attention to the myths underneath the emergence of AI. And end by imagining other "A"s that lend us "I"s. Finishing with a perhaps often overlooked one: Astrological Intelligence.  If you'd like to watch this episode as a video, I've released it over on Patreon for all tiers of members: Free and paid. All future interviews will be released there in video form. That way the main medium of the podcast remains as 'radio'. Click here.  Chiron Nostimos I'd also like to take this opportunity to announce that I'll be hosting a retreat in Mount Pelion, Chiron's birthplace in Greece, May 22-28, 2027. I'm still ironing out the details. If you'd like to be the first to know when the bookings page is live you can sign up to the mailing list here. Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #137 | Mars: The Inner Initiate | Michael Meade
  3. Oct 16

    #136 | Toko-pa Turner | Aphrodite Anadyomene

    Anadyomene is an ancient epithet connected to Aphrodite. It means ‘she who is rising up from the sea’ and refers to the moment in mythology, recorded for us by the shepherd, Hesiod, when the goddess of beauty is born from the ocean in the midst of unimaginable (yet thoroughly imagined) trauma.  It felt an apt title for this episode. Somewhere in the dreaming ocean of this conversation with Toko-pa Turner Beauty emerges amongst stories of loss, pain, loneliness, isolation and disconnection.  To quote Toko-pa, ‘Beauty is a metabolised grief.’ Toko-pa Turner is an award-winning author of The Dreaming Way and Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home. She is also a teacher and dreamworker whose work explores the relationship between psyche and nature. Blending animism with a Jungian approach to dreamwork, she reveals the kinship between the imaginal and material worlds. In this episode, Toko-pa shares with us her love of wisdom (philo-sophia). We discuss dreams as a form of interior intelligence that we can build a relationship with rather than explain away or flatten out. Through the dream doors that open up we find ourselves lamenting the loss of the ‘edge’ of the village, or rather, that the edge has become a terrifying place in the current world. So where is the mystic to live? The conversation then moves into the themes of Toko-pa’s first book, Belonging, and how exile and belonging are two sides of the same sphere. And from this place, as mentioned above, beauty seems to spontaneously emerge, which takes us into the idea of the ‘dream tent’ and ways of dreaming collectively.  If you enjoy this conversation you might like to connect with Toko-pa’s work. To do so go to her website or get a hold of her wonderful books (links below). Podcast Artwork: Moonrise on an Empty Shore , Caspar David Friedrich (1837/1839) References Toko-pa Turner — Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home and The Dreaming Way: Courting the Wisdom of Dreams. Toko-pa's website Nikki Giovanni — poet; the source of the phrase about bearing pleasure that Toko-pa discusses. Poetry Foundation James Hillman — depth psychologist, referenced in relation to self-betrayal. James Hillman Institute. His concept of the Acorn Theory is expanded upon in The Soul's Code. Carl Jung — referenced in relation to dreamwork and depth psychology. Jung Institute Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #136 | Toko-pa Turner | Aphrodite Anadyomene
  4. Oct 9

    #135 | Venus & the lost star of desire

    Venus is the sphere in which we ponder Love, Beauty, Harmony, Pleasure, Value (and our Values) and Worth (and that niggling question, 'Am I Worthy?). In our chart she represents how you attract others, express affection, handle finances and appreciate the finer things in life.  In the current sky, Venus in Scorpio is retrograde and about to disappear from the evening sky. She's on her way to meet the Sun at 0° Scorpio before returning to her home in Libra and rising again as the morning star.  This episode is a companion to that journey; a deep dive into her realm. Sappho, her most cherished devotee, will start us off on the right foot. Then we follow her mythic threads with the help of Aphrodite and Eros from their most primordial essence through to how they are imagined in the harsh HD lights of the modern day.  Part Two of the Podcast follows the Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite in its entirety. Aphrodite, disguised as a maiden, approaches the unsuspecting Trojan, Anchises. The poem is a rare glimpse of Aphrodite's world from the inside. Including her powerful effect on all creatures in existence to bring them the gifts of love along with its accompanying strife.  The episode cover art is Venus de Milo – the Louvre REFERENCES Sappho — Fragments Especially Fragment 5. The Poems of Sappho — Wikisource Hesiod — Theogony For the primordial Eros and the genealogy of Aphrodite. Hesiod, Theogony — Perseus Digital Library Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite (Hymn 5) The central mythological source for the second half of this episode. Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite — Harvard Center for Hellenic Studies Homer — Iliad, Book 5 For Aphrodite's wounding and her relationship with Aeneas. Homer, Iliad — Perseus Digital Library Virgil — Aeneid, Book 1 For Aeneas, Venus, and the aftermath of Troy. Virgil, Aeneid — Perseus Digital Library Empedocles — Love and Strife For the conception of Love as a fundamental cosmic force. Empedocles — Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy David Abram — The Spell of the Sensuous For the discussion of sensual perception and our embodied relationship with the world. David Abram — The Spell of the Sensuous Chris and Melanie talk Venus & Inanna On Spotify Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #135 | Venus & the lost star of desire
  5. Sep 25

    #134 | Venus & Inanna | with Melanie Reinhart

    Venus in the sky is currently at her highest glory (elongation (distance from the sun)). That's the moment that, like Inanna, she hears the call from the Great Above to the Great Below and decides to descend. She moves through the seven gates, each gate demanding that she remove one of her signals of power in the upper realms.  Melanie Reinhart joins me to talk about her own observations of this myth. It has particularly come alive for her since she started tracking the resonance of her inner world with the movements of Venus through its five-pointed star pattern since 1983. We discuss Melanie's connection to folklorist, Diane Wolkstein. Diane was a storyteller who held court in Central Park, NY, in an official capacity as resident storyteller for many years. Following her curiosity about ancient tales, Diane tracked down Samuel Noah Kramer, a leading Sumerologist in his field whose job it was to translate cuneiform texts.  Together they wrote the book Inanna: Queen of Heaven and Earth (see link below). Kramer translated Cuneiform into English, Wolkstein translated English into Story. From their tireless and persistent work togehter the ancient myth made its way into the modern world.  It's more than just a story of descent. It's a story of ecstacy, longing, commitment, obligation, love, loss, rage and redemption... amongst other things.  In this Special Edition episode, aligned with the Times, Melanie shares with us a generous offering of her life experience, client observations and participation in the coming to life of this epic tale into the modern era.  Timeless wisdom for a world in thirst of soul.  Podcast Image: Ancient Akkadian cylinder seal depicting the goddess Inanna resting her foot on the back of a lion while Ninshubur stands in front of her paying obeisance, c. 2350–2150 BCE Resources Sylvia Brinton Perera — Descent to the Goddess (1981)Diane Wolkstein & Samuel Noah Kramer — Inanna: Queen of Heaven and Earth (1983)Diane Wolkstein — The First Love Stories: From Isis and Osiris to Tristan and IseultSamuel Noah Kramer — Sumerologist / translations of the Inanna cuneiform texts Ariel Guttman — Venus Star Point / Venus cycle Dane Rudhyar — birth as the moment of separation / cutting of the cord Alice Bailey — Venus as esoteric ruler of Gemini Irving Finkel — British Museum / Sumerian material and the Queen's Lyre Rumi — poem concerning love and removing the obstacles to love Adonis / Aphrodite — later mythic development of the dying-and-returning lover and lamentation tradition Rogerian therapy / Carl Rogers — mirroring/reflective listening, in relation to the Kurgarra Queen's Lyre of Ur — Sumerian lyre, British Museum / Baghdad Museum restoration storyJoin the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #134 | Venus & Inanna | with Melanie Reinhart
  6. Sep 17

    #133 | Mercury at the Threshold

    Mercury is the smallest planet in our solar system, closest to the sun, taking a magical 88 days for a year. It travels fast but spins slowly – a day being 1.5 times as long as a year – with a quirky, egg-shaped orbit. Small with a big character. That kind of sums up mythical Hermes (Mercury) who, on the first day of his life, invents music, fire and ritual, steals Apollo's cattle and snuggles back into his blanket like nothing happened.  To get in touch with this endlessly paradoxical being we begin with his Orphic Hymn: an invocation of the god. Only, of course, there isn't one hymn but two. Already he has found a way to 'twin' himself. The first hymn gives us a sense of his role as messenger – his 'day job' – the second as psychopomp: guide of souls who assists us through the many deaths of our lives.  That's the thing about Hermes/Mercury. We meet him at the threshold. Even astrologically he is the third in a set of three. He revises where we've been and sets us up for where we're going next.  Of course, being an episode about words themselves, there had to be some poetry involved. Dylan Thomas takes us in with On the Words in Poetry – essentially a love song dedicated to the magic of words themselves. And then, to close us out, a poem called, if this isn't too on the nose, Magic Words.  References Homeric Hymn to Hermes — Theoi Classical Texts Library Orphic Hymns — Apostolos N. Athanassakis & Benjamin M. Wolkow, The Orphic Hymns — Johns Hopkins University PressThe Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart — Robert Bly, James Hillman & Michael Meade — Open LibraryDylan Thomas — “On the Words in Poetry” — from The Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart“Magic Words” — from The Rag and Bone Shop of the HeartTim Minchin — “Prejudice” — YouTubeTim Minchin — “If You Open Your Mind Too Much Your Brain Will Fall Out” — Tim MinchinSigmund Freud / “Freudian slip” — APA Dictionary of Psychology Arnold Mindell — “Discovering the World in the Individual: The World Channel in Psychotherapy” — Process Work Hermes — Theoi Greek Mythology — Hermes Hermes, the herma, fire, lyre and psychopomp — Theoi: HermesJoin the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #133 | Mercury at the Threshold
  7. Sep 10

    #132 | Brian Clark | Mercury, Hermes & Life on the Road

    Today I’m joined by mentor, guide and friend of the podcast, Brian Clark.  It’s time to enter the world of Hermes, guide of souls, the one we meet on the road who can lead us away from home and lead us back when the time is right.  We begin our discussion by talking about mythological Hermes, tracing his origins back to Mycenaean culture where he was known as the ‘herma’ – a pile of rocks that we still have in our language today as the ‘milestone’.  Brian and I discuss moments in our lives, of which there are far more than we could possibly mention, of when we had a plan and Hermes had an alternative. Once off the track of what we thought might happen we are in the hands of Hermes or Mercury and on the pathless path where the mystery, unmistakably, is unfolding at our feet.  From here we go into the more technical realm of Mercury the planet. The numbers that are associated with his relationship to the sun, including Pi – that endless rambling number that seems random but follows an invisible order. And we suggest some ways to work with Mercury and its cycles in order to follow its intrinsic patterns, tend to the mind and thread together ideas so that they might become fruitful projects over time.  I decided to leave the conversation unedited. The moments of wrestling with an idea, or getting things wrong, or taking the apparently wrong path, seem an important part of the contemplation of Hermes Mercurius. Without that tension, that wrestling match, that confusion, those strange crossroads, we’re unlikely to receive that little bag of gold that Hermes holds in his hand, the one that isn’t holding the Caduceus.  Resources Mentioned Books & Texts Lewis Hyde — Trickster Makes This WorldHomer — The IliadHomer — The OdysseyHomeric Hymn to HermesAuthors & Thinkers David AbramDane RudhyarMythological References Hermes / MercuryPerseus and MedusaKairosPrometheus and EpimetheusMetisMnemosyneSnow White / Sleeping BeautyAstrology & Astronomy Mercury's Promethean and Epimethean phasesMercury's retrograde cyclesMercury's inferior and superior conjunctionsMercury's greatest elongationThe ~116-day Mercury cycleThe relationship between Mercury's cycles, 22/7, and πAstrosynthesis Brian Clark & Glennys Lawton — Astrosynthesis Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #132 | Brian Clark | Mercury, Hermes & Life on the Road
  8. Aug 21

    #131 | Spyros Siamos | The Clarifying Light at the Centre of it All

    Spyros Siamos is an energy healer, esoteric author, and former mathematics teacher based in Messinia, Greece. He lives on a coastal olive grove situated near an ancient Temple of Apollo, where he conducts one-on-one healing sessions and hosts sound therapy, meditation, and spiritual workshops. A father of two and author of three books on esotericism, Spyros has explored various healing modalities and trained in Peruvian Shamanism for over ten years. He recently established Esothen Messinia—a dedicated space created to host accessible, low-budget creative and spiritual holidays, as well as affordable retreats in Greece. English is not Spyros' first language. Many of the concepts we touch on in this episode are ones that he wishes he could wax poetic on in his mother tongue. Never the less, this apparent limitation gives us, the listener, the opportunity to, like Apollo, allow ourselves to be engaged in the struggle of birthing the light. We begin with Spyros' childhood. His father taught primary and encouraged his interest in the ancient myths of his culture that were taught in early education. Spyros experienced myth as a way of tapping into the threads of history.  Once in high school, myth was no longer taught. He replaced mythology with philosophy as that's what was considered to be the sensible thing to learn. To put away childish things.  Then, through his exploration of the interior landscapes with a Peruvian Shaman, in the depth of his own consciousness, the mythic figures he'd learned about in early education returned as guides. First Athena, Aphrodite, Dionysus and others. And after a few years, Apollo.  It was this first hand experience with the gods that I wanted to connect to On the Soul's Terms. Apollo (or the astrological Sun) not just as a concept that we can form opinions on and argue on the costs and benefits of such a god, but as an emergent, embodied, felt sense experience that is personified in Ancient Greek culture as the deity of light, harmony, balance and a clarifying light at the centre of it all.  Later in the episode we touch on how and where Apollo has shown up in Spyros' healing work. Including the first time, when he was in the position of healer for a young man who had gone into a coma following a motorcycle accident. Here the god helped him to stay in a state of observation whilst the pain, suffering and emotion swirled all around him. We talk about the cultivation of the mind necessary to be in right relationship with such potent energy fields. And the risk, that Spyros himself has suffered personally, of having one's system blown open when that light is unmediated.  Which draws us to the field of the Muses or the Angels or the Daimones. Whatever one might call that layers of consciousness that is neither this nor that, both... and. And how they can help us to create from a steady hearth rather than from bright sparks that leave us singed in the end.  Spyros will be hosting a retreat for men in Greece in October. I'll be personally attending. For more information on that click here.  The episode artwork is from the West Pediment in the museum in Olympia. We discuss the scene in the episode – The Centaurs vs the Lapiths. Apollo stands in the centre of a chaotic battle between consciousness and instinct. Victory, in this sense, is not a case of overpowering the instinct, but of locating the light whilst being open to it all. Join the Newsletter! Podcast Musician: Marlia Coeur Please consider becoming a Patron to support the show! Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

    #131 | Spyros Siamos | The Clarifying Light at the Centre of it All
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