Episode Detail When wildfire risk pushed many insurers to retreat from the California homeowners market altogether, CSAA Insurance Group chose a different path: reward the homes that actually harden against fire with a three-year rate guarantee and a discount of up to 30 percent, and keep writing business through it. In this conversation, Mike Zukerman, President and CEO of CSAA Insurance Group, joins Bryan Falchuk to talk about what that choice has actually looked like inside a company that insures around 600,000 California homes, why he believes a healthy, competitive insurance market serves customers better than any single carrier cornering it, and how CSAA is using AI to give its claims and customer service teams more room for empathy rather than replacing them. They also get into what it takes to hold a culture together across a workforce that is 97 percent remote, and why Zukerman thinks the basics of caring about a customer, even when the answer is no, still decide who wins a soft market. Every choice Zukerman describes here, the underwriting, the AI, the culture, comes down to the same discipline: doing the harder, more proactive thing on purpose instead of waiting for a crisis to force it. Guest Bio Mike Zukerman is President and CEO of CSAA Insurance Group, a AAA insurer serving members across 23 states and Washington, D.C. He was appointed to the role in May 2024 after serving as interim CEO since August 2023, succeeding Tom Troy. Zukerman joined CSAA Insurance Group in 2011 as Chief Legal Officer, a role he held for roughly twelve years, and also served as the company's acting Chief Operating Officer in 2014. Before joining CSAA, he spent about two decades in technology and legal leadership roles, including at GeoVera Holdings, Critical Path, Sega, and Netopia. He holds a law degree from American University and a bachelor's degree from UC Berkeley, where he has also guest-lectured at the Haas School of Business on law and entrepreneurship. He was named 2017 Corporate Counsel of the Year by the San Francisco Business Times. Zukerman serves on the boards of the American Property Casualty Insurance Association (APCIA), the Bay Area Council, and Keep Tahoe Blue. Show Notes: Wildfire Risk: Rewarding Home Hardening, Not Retreating From It: CSAA guarantees at least three years of coverage, plus a discount of up to 30 percent, for any home that meets the IBHS Wildfire Prepared Home standard. Zukerman says CSAA has non-renewed at most about 2 percent of its book, even as other carriers stopped writing new homeowners business in parts of California entirely. Despite the state's reputation, Zukerman cites a LendingTree study ranking California the eighth-cheapest state for homeowners insurance, behind Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Colorado. Zukerman wants more competitors back in California, not fewer: a robust, competitive market serves customers and the state better than any single carrier absorbing all the risk. AI as a Force Multiplier for Empathy, Not a Replacement for People: CSAA remains a high-touch business by design: callers reach people in the US, even as some competitors move claims intake to agentic AI. AI now listens in on claims calls and generates the summary, freeing the person on the phone to focus on the customer instead of scrambling to document everything, and it can catch details, like a passing mention of back pain, that a stressed human might miss. Zukerman compares the shift to the arrival of ATMs: bank tellers didn't disappear, they were up-leveled to more judgment-based work, and he expects claims and customer service roles to follow the same path. He expects most carriers to lean on agentic AI by default within three to five years, but says CSAA will give customers the choice between a human and AI rather than force one. Culture and Distributed Work: Humility, Not Proximity: About 97 percent of CSAA's roughly 4,000 employees work remotely, split between roughly 3,000 call center staff and 1,000 knowledge workers in underwriting, finance, and legal. Zukerman keeps the leadership team meeting every two weeks, in person once a month, backed by what he calls close to zero real constraint on the travel budget for teams to get together. He's built the culture intentionally around humility: people feeling safe enough to say "I don't know" or ask for help out loud, which he calls flattering rather than a weakness. CSAA runs 14 employee-led culture groups and regular volunteer programs, and recently opened a new office in Phoenix, where the company now employs more people than it does in California. Customer Delight in a Softening Market: Zukerman points to a record: 54 percent of auto insurance customers shopped for a new policy last year, and he expects retention, not new acquisition, to be the growth lever in the soft market ahead. He argues delight doesn't always mean solving the problem: even when CSAA can't waive a deductible or has to deny part of a claim, the outcome that keeps a customer loyal is feeling like the person on the phone actually cared. He makes the point through an unlikely source: a maddening call with his cable provider that never solved his problem but still left him feeling genuinely cared for. Career, Liberal Arts, and Learning How to Think: Zukerman spent the first half of his career in technology and law before joining CSAA Insurance Group in 2011 as Chief Legal Officer. He points to Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang's advice to study liberal arts, and says he gave his own kids the same counsel: use college to learn how to think before specializing. He compares AI's disruption to the arrival of the light bulb, noting that new tools have repeatedly reshaped which skills matter without eliminating the need for judgment. Prior Guests from CSAA Insurance Group Ryan Vigus, EVP, Personal Lines Product Management Laurna Castillo, SVP, State Product Management Debbie Brackeen, Chief Innovation & Corporate Development Officer This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance book series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk. Follow the podcast at future-of-insurance.com/podcast for more details and other episodes. 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