The Out of the Cave Podcast

Lisa Schlosberg
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The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.

  1. 2D AGO

    Solo Series Chapter 10: High Involvement, Low Attachment — Sustainable Behavior Change Explained

    In this solo episode, Lisa reflects on reaching episode ten of the solo series and the shift from self-doubt to claiming the podcast as her art — a space of joyful, honest self-expression rather than performance. She shares a compassionate, staged approach to behavior change that begins with non-judgmental awareness and an intentional “marination” phase before navigating the other stages, emphasizing the importance of regulating fear, distinguishing it from truth, honoring not knowing, and prioritizing learning before leaping. Throughout the episode, she explores strengthening mind-body connection, embracing beginnerhood and trial-and-error, and applying professional tools to personal recovery, while introducing High Involvement, Low Attachment (HILA) as an energetic framework for pairing full effort with non-attachment to outcomes, creating change that feels safer, steadier, and sustainable.  Topics Include: Artful Expression Fear vs Truth Compassionate Change HILA Framework [0:57] Lisa begins with a celebration of reaching ten solo episodes. She compares this achievement to the childhood joy of turning five years old—celebrating "two whole hands." She shares a personal "check-in" regarding her internal journey with the podcast; the fear, doubt, and anxiety regarding how her content would be received. Her view has shifted to see the podcast as a necessary form of "art" and self-expression..  [8:28] Lisa argues that believing one should intuitively know how to exercise is a limiting belief. Lisa shares her personal journey to debunk the idea that she "just knew" how to exercise. She details the specific, and sometimes unconventional, steps she took to educate herself after realizing she didn't know how to strength train properly or avoid injury.  [15:52] Lisa discusses the common feeling of being stuck or fearful when facing uncertainty, particularly in areas like self-care, exercise, and nutrition. She shares that this feeling often manifests physically (tingling, tightness, holding breath) and is driven by an underlying fear of not having the right answers. Lisa shares that the first step is to acknowledge and process the fear associated with not knowing, without letting it control actions.  [25:17] Lisa shares an anecdote about observing a certified personal trainer encountering a new piece of gym equipment. This experience provided insight into the learning process. The key to learning is not having all the answers but having the confidence to experiment, engage in trial and error, and be willing to be a beginner.  [36:34] Lisa shares that a client shared a metaphor that likens the process of personal change to planning a trip. It involves distinct, sequential phases: looking at a travel brochure, going to a travel agent, booking the travel, packing, and then finally going on the trip. Lisa introduces a step between Contemplation and Preparation called "Marination." She urges listeners not to rush from awareness to action but to allow new realizations to "marinate" without judgment so that solutions can emerge from a place of calm rather than urgency. [57:02] Lisa wraps up this episode with an introduction to HILA. She shares that practicing High Involvement means actively taking all necessary steps within one's control to work towards a goal. Low Attachment is practiced by accepting that the outcome is not in your control, feeling the associated discomfort without letting it take over, and returning your focus to living in the present moment which is crucial for maintaining safety and sustainability. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 12m

  2. FEB 9

    Solo Series Chapter 9: The Six Stages of Change (Don’t Start with Taking Action)

    In this solo series episode, Lisa invites listeners to rethink change beyond “fixing what’s wrong,” and into a more humane, nervous-system–smart way of becoming. She critiques pathology-first mental health models, centers a trauma-informed, strengths-based lens, and names the difference between compassionate, intentional change and fear-driven extremes. Moving through the six stages of change, Lisa reminds us that real progress is often quiet and internal and shows, through relatable examples, how small, steady steps can create lasting, sustainable change.  Topics Include: Person-Centered Diagnosis Judgement Stages of Change Processing Emotions [2:17] Lisa begins this episode by revisiting a topic from a previous conversation. She clarified that her position is not to dismiss the reality of mental illness or to discard the DSM entirely. By labeling conditions as "disorders," the system inherently frames them as something wrong or broken within a person. Lisa argues for a shift in perspective, suggesting that these behaviors could instead be viewed as adaptive, wise, or even brilliant coping mechanisms developed in response to difficult circumstances. [11:26] Lisa explores the social-psychological concept of judgment. In our social context, we often believe we want to be judged positively and avoid negative judgment. Using body size as an example, she notes that someone who has experienced shame for being in a larger body might believe that changing their body to receive positive judgment will bring them happiness. The core human longing, she argued, is not to be judged, but to be seen. The goal is to understand that intentional change can be beneficial, if paired with the internal work of self-love and acceptance.  [21:19] Lisa focuses on the "Stages of Change" model, a therapeutic framework for understanding how people change behavior. Lisa emphasizes that this model reveals change as a process, not a single event, and explains why simply deciding to change often fails. She outlines the six stages of change: Pre-contemplation: The person is not considering changing their behavior. Contemplation: The individual becomes aware of the issue but has not committed to action. Preparation: The person starts to plan, gather information, and make small, experimental changes. Action: The individual actively implements their plan and modifies their behavior. Maintenance: The focus shifts to sustaining the new behavior long-term and developing coping strategies for temptations. Recurrence/Relapse: Presented not as a failure but as an integral part of the process but an opportunity to learn about triggers, practice self-compassion, and restart the process with new knowledge. [29:53] Lisa points out that three stages occur before any concrete action is taken. She talks about how people often fail to make lasting changes because they try to jump directly from thinking about a problem to the "action" stage which is unrealistic and sets them up for failure. [59:54] Lisa discusses how the real work of change begins internally and invisibly. Lisa reiterates that traditional diets fail because they force individuals to jump from "pre-contemplation" directly to "action," ignoring the nervous system and emotional safety. Lisa revisits the concept of baby steps as the key to any sustainable change.   [1:07:17] Lisa emphasized that our actions are often attempts to solve emotional problems with physical solutions. The answer to "not feeling enough" is not to do more, but to sit with the feeling itself.  *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 12m

  3. FEB 2

    Solo Series Chapter 8: You’re Not Broken—You’re Protecting Yourself

    In this solo episode, Lisa takes a step back and asks a different question about “disorders”—especially eating disorders—not as something broken or pathological, but as ways the nervous system learned to survive. Lisa's discussion centers on healing through safety, trust, and behavior-first change—embodying new patterns until the nervous system habituates—through tender and fierce self-compassion, balanced integration, and very small, sustainable steps. Along the way, Lisa offers practical examples that apply to intuitive eating, weight loss, and everyday habits, inviting listeners into a more human, aligned, and compassionate way of changing. Topics Include: Survival Strategies Self-Compassion Embodied Change Humanized Healing [0:55] Lisa welcomes listeners and encourages listeners to catch up for the full context of this episode. This chapter marks a transition toward topics she has long been eager to address more directly. [2:45] Lisa discusses graduate social work training where the DSM is treated as authoritative. Lisa discusses how eating disorder categories have expanded over time due to observed patterns, not necessarily because human behavior fundamentally changed. [7:58] Lisa contrasts dissociative identity disorder with Internal Family Systems (IFS), which validates natural inner parts or sub-personalities. She talks about how clients doing the work notice conflicting inner parts; she normalizes this as human, not psychosis.. [10:45] Lisa challenges reframing things as not an eating disorder but a strategy to regulate the energetic mind-body-soul system involving food. Similarly, Lisa points out that it’s not about the substance or behavior but the function it serves and how it regulates the nervous system. [16:02] Lisa talks about how some addictions like overworking are socially rewarded; while others are condemned. She talks about how a person in a larger body overeating and a person in a smaller body undereating may be driven by comparable nervous-system conditions. Despite opposite behaviors, both can produce similar nervous-system sensations, reinforcing familiar physiology and cycles. [20:42] Lisa talks about not being impressed by things such as weight loss if they cost health, relationships, and well-being. She values outcomes integrated into a balanced, joyful life—sustainable, gradual changes with work-life balance, fulfillment, family time, and hobbies.   [27:18] Lisa shares her thoughts on how it's more that we accept the love we feel safe to receive, not necessarily the love we think we deserve. She discusses how many are conditioned through diet culture, hustle culture, family dynamics, social systems, into self-objectification and suppression of feelings, relating to themselves as bodies to control rather than whole beings.  [31:09] Lisa discusses acting as if you are worthy and safe to receive care, even if feelings lag behind. She suggests one does not need to feel worthy to receive care but be willing to receive it and do the caring behaviors anyway. She states the method for this is baby steps to honor the nervous system; progress paced to sensitivity and regulation rather than idealized timelines. [56:04] Lisa closes the episode with a discussion of the growth zones, embraces the learning zone; avoids overshooting into danger and how discomfort is necessary for learning. She states to integrate action and acceptance across behaviors for sustainable change, one must pair outer steps with inner care. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 28m

  4. JAN 26

    Solo Series Chapter 7: When Dieting/Weight Loss Become Addictive

    In this episode, Lisa explores how addiction and compulsion extend far beyond substances to include any behavior that offers short-term relief at the cost of long-term freedom. Drawing on Gabor Maté’s framework and her own lived experience, she unpacks how dieting, restriction, productivity, and people-pleasing can quietly become addictive coping strategies that create an illusion of safety and control. Lisa introduces the concept of “dieting addiction” and addiction transfer, explaining how food restriction can be just as reinforcing as overeating, and why these patterns can live in the brain as learned responses to stress. With raw honesty, she shares her own breakdown and eating disorder diagnosis, and broadens the lens to include socially rewarded addictions like caffeine use and workaholism. Topics Include: Compulsion and Addiction Dieting and Restriction Addiction Transfer Grief, Slowing Down, and Support [0:56] Lisa begins this episode by checking in with herself the way she does with all of her guests. She shares her feeling of nervousness and excitement about recording the solo episode. Lisa realized she has approached her solo podcast series with a habitual sense of urgency to get to the end of her notes and finish the chapter. She describes the urgency as similar to the pressure one might feel to lose weight quickly, even when there’s no real timeframe. [8:05] Lisa explains that her current intentional weight loss experience has triggered memories and trauma from her previous extreme weight loss. For Lisa to properly convey the depth and gravity of her current experience, she feels it's essential to first provide the context of her past struggles with dieting addiction. [14:41] Lisa presents a model comparing the physical actions of dieting with the psychological rewards. Lisa explains that on the surface, it looks like discipline and willpower, but psychologically, it can be an addiction where the person feels they can't not engage in the behavior out of fear. Lisa talks about how this demonstrates how the brain can equate not eating with stress relief and safety, making it difficult to stop dieting even when consciously desired. [29:48] Lisa explains that proponents of intuitive eating argue that food addiction isn't real, as addictive-like behaviors are often a direct result of either physical or mental restriction. Lisa partially agrees but maintains that for some, including herself, the behavior is a byproduct of the hippocampus storing the memory that food alleviates stress, making it a "drug of choice" independent of dieting. [50:31] Lisa discusses  that one doesn't need to have a formal diagnosis to address addictive behaviors and reclaim personal power. The key is to pay attention to the relationship with a behavior, not the behavior itself. Lisa explains that addiction is present when you feel you can't not do something, rather than choosing to do it freely. [54:48] Lisa talks about how society rewards other addictive behaviors, such as extreme weight loss and workaholism, creating "high-functioning" addicts who appear successful but are internally struggling. Lisa explains that creating safety often requires slowing down, which may mean accomplishing less.  [1:12:18] Lisa closes this episode by discussing grief in the process and how one may need to grieve the identity of being a person who "does it all" to prioritize well-being. She compares the process to sitting shiva and when grieving old habits or identities, it is valid to allow oneself to be supported and cared for by others. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 31m

  5. JAN 19

    Solo Series Chapter 6: Food, Eating, and the Addiction Model

    In this episode of her solo series, Lisa examines addiction dynamics in food and eating, integrating neurobiology, trauma, and behavioral psychology with personal narrative. She distinguishes substance vs. behavior addictions and reframes the “food addiction” debate as a semantic distraction, emphasizing why behaviors become compulsive. The discussion links binge eating and self-harm through positive and negative reinforcement, underscores capitalist food industry influence, and advocates grief, radical acceptance, and surrender as foundations for change. A personal story traces undereating/overexercise, malnourishment, cognitive impairment, medical oversight, and eventual surrender from rigid weight control to health-centric practices, leading to weight stabilization and improved well-being. Topics Include: Addiction Model Food and Eating Behaviors Grief, Acceptance, and Surrender Disordered Eating [1:08] Lisa begins by acknowledging her own perfectionistic impulse and the importance of taking "messy action" to overcome it, revisiting the topic of addiction from the previous episode to clarify her stance on food addiction.  [4:03] Lisa argues that the debate over whether food addiction is real misses the point; the conversation should focus on understanding and effectively treating the issue, acknowledging that it is both similar to and different from other addictions. She presents the addiction model distinguishing between substance addictions (e.g., drugs) and behavioral addictions (e.g., gambling). She explains that the relationship with food is unique because it involves both a substance (food) and a behavior (eating). [6:12] Lisa discusses how on the substance side, hyper-palatable, high-fat, high-sugar foods trigger a strong reward reaction (dopamine, serotonin) in the brain. On the behavior side, eating-related behaviors like overeating, undereating, and binging can become addictive. Lisa introduces Dr. Gabor Maté's definition of addiction. It shows that any behavior can provide temporary relief/pleasure and craving, but causes long-term negative consequences, with an inability to stop. This model applies to both overeating and undereating. Lisa clarifies she is not saying "food is a drug," but that "some people can use food like a drug" for emotional coping. [34:14] Lisa discusses radical acceptance of one's current reality as the first step toward transformation, which involves grieving the relationship with food one wishes they had. [51:43] Lisa shares a personal story about her weight loss journey. After losing about 80 pounds around December 2012, she experienced severe physical symptoms like lightheadedness, hair loss, and cognitive impairment due to malnourishment, even though multiple doctors offered no clear answers. Lisa’s personal research into the ACE study and the National Weight Control Registry revealed that both childhood trauma and the habits of successful dieters (low-calorie diet, daily exercise) were linked to her struggles. [1:00:20] Lisa’s big surrender moment when she chose to stop dieting, facing an unknown outcome, rather than continue a cycle she knew would lead to more weight gain. She stopped weighing herself, shifted her focus from weight-centric to health-centric goals, prioritized food quality over quantity, and incorporated practices like meditation. Surrender, though frightening and uncomfortable, is a crucial step. [1:19:46] Lisa closes this episode by sharing what topics are to come and inviting listeners to email her with any questions at lisaschlosberg@gmail.com⁠.  *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 20m

  6. JAN 12

    Solo Series Part 5: Exercising Your Power and Grieving Your Lack of Control

    In Chapter 5 of this ongoing series, Lisa slows things down to focus on the groundwork that must come before true integration and lasting change. She explores radical acceptance, surrender, grief, and self-compassion as essential prerequisites for sustainable healing and intentional weight loss. She unpacks why integration and even fear of self-compassion demand a foundational understanding of our internal systems, challenges narratives of powerlessness around food and the body, and offers a more honest, collaborative view of agency—where tender and fierce self-compassion work together to restore connection, power, and trust. Topics Include: Authenticity Radical Acceptance & Grief Learned Helplessness Power & Trust [1:05] Lisa begins by emphasizing the importance of showing up imperfectly and authentically. Recording while exhausted, Lisa models imperfect, “messy action” guided by intrinsic motivation and a felt life force, showing how movement forward doesn’t require perfection or certainty. She argues that filtering oneself to please others prevents genuine, resonant expression. True transformation, particularly in contexts like weight loss, starts with radical acceptance of one's current reality.  [4:39] Lisa reflects on authenticity, including her frequent use of strong language. She does not apologize for it, framing it as an aligned and sincere teaching style. She references public reactions to swearing and uses Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee) as an example. He is polarizing for his intense and abrasive delivery, yet he often communicates empathy, love, and compassion. Lisa highlights the paradox that style and substance can coexist, which is about balancing masculine and feminine energy in communication and leadership. [14:30] Lisa emphasizes that acceptance typically comes as the final stage of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance). If acceptance feels elusive, it may be because grief has not been allowed or processed. Grieving the gap between hope and reality enables genuine acceptance and the inner peace that follows. Lisa shares that her pivotal moment for weight loss was a raw reckoning where she moved through anger and fear to a state of acceptance, realizing she was solely responsible for her situation and the only one who could change it.  [20:03] Lisa explains how during the process of acceptance, an inner child may emerge, feeling that a situation is unfair. The correct response is not dismissal but tender self-compassion: validating these feelings by acknowledging the pain and perceived unfairness. This act of consciously seeing and accepting one's own state is a form of reparenting, ensuring one is no longer alone in their suffering. [54:13] Lisa discusses the "I am powerless" principle found in 12-step programs like Overeaters Anonymous (OA), arguing it is misaligned with a healthy relationship with food, from which one cannot abstain. This belief can lead to learned helplessness. Lisa’s critique targets ideology and its impact on beliefs and behavior, not individual outcomes. She explains a more effective framework is to understand that one has "total responsibility but only partial control." Not having total control doesn't mean having zero control.  [40:28] Lisa explores creating a daily check-in routine to validate emotions and assess physical and emotional needs; schedule care actions as non-negotiables. She encourages listeners to map areas of power vs lack of control; practice fierce self-compassion and audit self-talk to replace disempowering beliefs. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 12m

  7. JAN 5

    Solo Series Part 4: Co-Creating, Surrender, and The Spiritual Practice of Letting Life Lead

    In this solo episode, Lisa explores the spiritual and psychological practice of “following the call”—learning to live, decide, and heal without needing full certainty. She unpacks how fear-driven control blocks co-creation with life, the body, and spirit, and why true change begins with radical acceptance and self-compassion rather than force. Through tender and fierce self-compassion, embodied emotional processing, and humility about what we can and cannot control, Lisa shows how guidance reveals itself one step at a time. Drawing from personal transitions, nervous system wisdom, and lived spiritual trust, the episode invites listeners to practice surrender as an active, courageous relationship—one that builds safety, clarity, and faith by moving forward even when the path ahead isn’t fully visible.  Topics Include: Spiritual Trust Conscious Co-Creation Self-Compassion Emotional Integration [1:08] Lisa starts by thanking her listeners for their engagement, feedback, and for creating a sense of community around the podcast. [2:11] Lisa shares that understanding concepts like tender and fierce self-compassion requires acknowledging one's spiritual nature, as emotional healing is inherently a spiritual process. Lisa explains that she has been contemplating the idea of "following the call," which refers to heeding one's inner knowledge or intuition about necessary life changes. She discusses how receiving guidance forces a confrontation with one's relationship with uncertainty and control, which often stems from fear. [17:31] Lisa explains the universe typically provides the "next right step" rather than a complete plan, requiring a step of faith into the unknown. Lisa talks about how living in the illusion of total control prevents co-creation with the universe, as it requires accepting that one is not in full command. She discusses how the experience of feeling fear and acting anyway is a practical way to build faith and experience co-creation. [23:52] Lisa explains how the relationship with control and surrender in life is mirrored in one's relationship with their body and food and that true health requires surrendering the illusion of total control over the body. Lisa discusses that the relationship with one's body should be a partnership, not a system to be commanded and that healing begins when one stops treating the body as a problem to solve. [40:28] Lisa explores how expressing difficult feelings, such as through journaling, is a powerful tool to move emotional energy and gain clarity, often revealing that no action is needed. She explains that to achieve clarity, it's necessary to feel and release your emotions and sometimes this clarity reveals that a life change is necessary. She further explains that the concept of surrender can provoke fear and physical tension and the practice is to notice this, breathe, and associate surrender with safety. [1:02:48] Lisa wraps up this episode by discussing how these foundational concepts discussed (self-compassion, acceptance, and surrender) are necessary building blocks for the future discussion on intentional weight loss. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 6m

  8. 12/29/2025

    Solo Series Part 3: How to Embody Radical Acceptance and Why it Changes Everything

    In this solo episode, Lisa examines radical acceptance as the foundation for change: acceptance is not approval, agreement, or resignation, but the willingness to be fully with “what is” without fighting reality. Drawing on Danielle LaPorte’s quote and the paradoxical theory of change—transformation begins by fully being where you are—Lisa emphasizes that acceptance reduces suffering and grounds orderly behavioral change. Integrating tender and fierce self-compassion, she outlines physiological safety as a prerequisite for action, practical somatic tools to embody acceptance, and a middle-path approach to food and body that avoids the extremes of diet culture and anti-diet complacency.  Topics Include: Radical Acceptance Paradoxical Theory of Change Physiological Safety Intentional Weight Loss [4:28] Lisa clarifies the concept of radical acceptance, a foundational idea often misunderstood as approval, agreement, or resignation. She explains that it is presented as the paradoxical first step required for any meaningful personal change. Lisa explains that to achieve transformation, one must first fully accept their current reality, behaviors, and position without trying to force a change. This acceptance is not approval but the act of ceasing to fight against what is. [13:49] Lisa explains that understanding acceptance conceptually is not enough; it must be an embodied practice. Lisa discusses that resistance to one's current situation often manifests physically as a fight-or-flight response which signals danger to the brain preventing healthy change and the key is to shift this physiological state. [37:39] Lisa explains that it is possible to hold the duality of accepting the reality of a behavior's occurrence or a body's current state while simultaneously wanting to change it. The key is the order of operations: first, accept the reality without resistance to remove the internal conflict. Then, from that place of embodied safety, take intentional action toward change. [57:50] Lisa challenges labeling the part of oneself that resists food rules as an "inner rebel." It reframes this energy as a protective instinct and distinguishes between productive and unproductive uses of anger. Lisa explains that  recognizing that your behaviors aren't working is a moment of telling the truth and this act of taking ownership is a form of fierce self-compassion that motivates you to show up differently.   [1:04:14] Lisa explores Dr. Kristin Neff's concepts of tender self-compassion and fierce self-compassion, emphasizing that both are necessary for genuine change. Lisa talks about how diet culture exemplifies fierceness without tenderness, making it aggressive and disconnecting people from their bodies. The anti-diet movement can become tenderness without fierceness, leading to complacency and self-neglect. Lisa explains how a balanced, middle path is needed. [1:14:17] Lisa wraps up this episode with a summary of what is coming next: stages of change, how to actually move through some changes, how this relates to intentional weight loss, and what it looks like to really, again, integrate not just the energies of tender and fear self-compassion, but the behaviors, the changes, and all of the other follow-up thoughts that she might have on this episode. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients! ⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠ ⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠ ⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: Instagram⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠

    1h 16m
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The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.

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  • Creator
    Lisa Schlosberg
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    164
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Lisa Schlosberg
  • Show Website
    The Out of the Cave Podcast

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