The Out of the Cave Podcast

Lisa Schlosberg
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The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.

  1. 2d ago

    Solo Series Chapter 47: On Trust & Control - Part VIII

    In this episode, Lisa deepens the conversation around trust, control, radical acceptance, and self-attunement through the lens of intentional weight loss, fitness, and emotional healing. She introduces the concept of Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE) and explores how the same principle applies not only to exercise, but to everyday life, emotional experiences, stress, healing, and nervous system regulation. She explains why transformation begins when we stop arguing with reality, stop judging our internal experiences.  Topics Include: Radical Acceptance Emotional Surrender Rate of Perceived Exertion Nervous System Responses [2:47] Lisa introduces a powerful distinction about trust. She explains that healing is not about forcing yourself to trust, but about metabolizing the fear of trusting.  She explains that radical acceptance does not mean liking reality. She explains why transformation begins by accepting what is true, even when it is inconvenient, uncomfortable, or unwanted.  [14:09] Lisa introduces the concept of RPE. She explains how athletes use RPE to measure the subjective experience of effort and explores why this framework offers powerful insight into emotional healing and self-awareness. Lisa emphasizes that objective reality and internal experience are not always the same and argues that both deserve attention. [21:34] Lisa expands the concept of RPE beyond exercise and into everyday life. She challenges the expectation that we should perform the same way regardless of circumstances. Lisa explores the connection between RPE and trust. She explains how learning to honor her body's experience required letting go of judgment and abandoning the belief  [29:20] Lisa uses the example of a long road trip to demonstrate how objective metrics can be misleading. She explains why being physically inactive does not mean an experience is psychologically, emotionally, or energetically effortless. [34:29] Lisa reflects on her own fitness journey and discusses how dramatically capacity can change over time. She explains why growth becomes easier to recognize when we start paying attention to our own lived experience. Lisa explains how physical and emotional overwhelm often arise from factors outside conscious control and why accepting that reality creates space for healing. [42:14] Lisa describes moments when emotions become inaccessible, and creates a barrier between herself and deeper feelings. She describes her practice of sitting next to the wall and explains how surrender, acceptance, and compassionate presence create safety for the nervous system and allow emotional defenses to soften naturally. [50:48] Lisa shares an example from a recent coaching session. She discusses helping a client recognize emotional shutdown in real time and explains why pacing, regulation, and nervous system safety matter more than forcing emotional breakthroughs. Lisa emphasizes the importance of noticing when emotional work exceeds current capacity.  [56:11] Lisa applies these principles to intentional weight loss and body image. She explains why there are days when stepping on the scale is supportive and days when it would be emotionally unhelpful. She emphasizes that only the individual can determine what capacity exists on a given day. [1:01:39] Lisa explains that emotional safety must come before growth and that support, regulation, and compassion create the foundation for long-term transformation. She closes the episode by reaffirming that healing begins with radical acceptance, honest self-attunement, and trust in the mind-body-soul system. ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  2. Oct 26

    Solo Series Chapter 46: On Trust & Control - Part VII

    In this episode, Lisa continues her exploration of trust, surrender, emotional regulation, and intentional weight loss through a trauma-informed lens. She shares personal stories about uncertainty, insecurity, grief, and healing to illustrate how trust is not built by avoiding vulnerability but by staying present with ourselves through it. Lisa explores the difference between having power and having control, discusses why safety does not always feel safe to a dysregulated nervous system, and demonstrates how radical acceptance creates the foundation for transformation. Lisa emphasizes that sustainable change happens when we stop abandoning ourselves in moments of discomfort and instead meet fear, uncertainty, and vulnerability with compassion, presence, and love. Topics Include: Building Self-Trust  Emotional Regulation Self-Compassion Practices [0:57] Lisa reflects on the vulnerability of the previous episode and shares the insecurity that surfaced after recording it. She recounts the moment she discovered her previous episode had failed to upload. She explains how surrender, trust, and problem-solving coexisted as she navigated uncertainty while remaining open to whatever outcome unfolded. [11:18] Lisa explores the relationship between power, responsibility, and control. She discusses how self-compassion becomes essential when our nervous system, emotions, or behaviors feel difficult to manage. Lisa explains why healing requires meeting ourselves with compassion during moments of suffering and perceived loss of control. [16:26] Lisa explains why emotional healing does not require knowing exactly why a feeling exists and emphasizes the importance of staying present with emotions even when they do not make sense. Lisa explores the deeper connection between trust and uncertainty. She explains that trust is not certainty about outcomes but the willingness to remain present with the fear that uncertainty creates. [22:10] Lisa discusses vulnerability as a necessary part of pursuing meaningful goals. She explains why fear, doubt, and insecurity often accompany intentional change and how meeting those experiences with love creates lasting transformation. Lisa guides listeners to notice fearful thoughts, recognize the sensations those thoughts create in the body, and allow discomfort to exist without trying to control or eliminate it. [30:50] Lisa shares the story of her twenty-fifth birthday, shortly after her father's death. She recounts using intense physical movement to process overwhelming grief and describes a pivotal experience that forever changed her relationship with pain, trust, and resilience. Lisa explains how staying present with grief rather than escaping it became the foundation of lasting self-trust.  [41:25] Lisa emphasizes that trust is built not only through difficult experiences but through refusing to abandon yourself while moving through them. She explains how self-support creates the internal safety necessary for sustainable transformation.  [48:56] Lisa introduces a second major concept: safety doesn't always feel safe. She explains how nervous system conditioning can make relaxation, stillness, and regulation feel unfamiliar or threatening. Lisa explains why many survival responses developed for good reasons and should be understood with compassion.   [57:53] Lisa emphasizes that regulation cannot be forced through willpower. She explains why healing requires understanding the realities of how the nervous system actually functions. Lisa demonstrates how to respond to fear, panic, and dysregulation with validation, reassurance, and compassionate self-support. ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  3. Oct 19

    Solo Series Chapter 45: On Trust & Control - Part VI

    In this episode, Lisa continues to explore embodied safety, trust, control, and the transformative power of compassionate presence. Using the metaphor of the Devil's Snare from Harry Potter, she explains why healing is not about forcing ourselves to relax, change, or let go, but about learning to stay present with ourselves when we cannot. Lisa shares how childhood experiences shaped her relationship with trust, control, and emotional safety, and reveals a profound shift in understanding what trust truly means. Through conversations about food, emotional eating, addiction, perfectionism, and self-compassion, she demonstrates how lasting change begins when we stop abandoning ourselves in moments of fear, panic, and struggle.  Topics Include: Embodied Safety  Fear of Vulnerability Compassionate Self-Support Addiction and Coping [0:00] Lisa introduces the episode and explains that the episode explores the roots of trust, fear, control, surrender, and healing in relation to food, body image, and intentional weight loss. She explains that healing is not about enduring discomfort at all costs, but about learning to remain safe, connected, and regulated while moving through uncomfortable experiences. [6:40] Lisa expands on realistic expectations and introduces a new question: not only whether expectations are realistic, but whether they are kind. She explains how unrealistic standards, performance-based expectations, and attachment to results can function as subtle forms of self-abandonment even when the inner dialogue sounds supportive. [14:46] Lisa explores how performance expectations quietly keep people trapped in chronic fight, flight, freeze responses. She returns to the Devil's Snare metaphor from Harry Potter. She explains how healing often resembles the paradox of loosening our grip instead of fighting harder, especially when discomfort, fear, pain, or emotional overwhelm arise. She explains why healing is not about waiting for someone else to rescue, fix, or save us, and challenges the fantasy that another person can remove our suffering. [23:53] Lisa examines what happens when the body cannot relax. Rather than forcing change or demanding calm, she introduces the practice of meeting limitations with acceptance and curiosity. Lisa reframes the response to fear and panic and explains that instead of repeatedly saying "just relax," healing begins by acknowledging when relaxation is genuinely unavailable and responding with compassion rather than pressure.  [30:40] Lisa shares the story of losing her younger sister when she was five years old. She reflects on how months of hope and reassurance abruptly ended in devastating loss and how that experience shaped her relationship with trust. Lisa explores how grief and loss created a deep association between trust and heartbreak.  [41:10] Lisa introduces compassionate witnessing as an alternative to self-control. She explains how staying present with pain, fear, compulsion, and panic supports healing far more effectively than attempting to suppress or eliminate them.  [53:51] Lisa closes with a reflection on love, connection, openness, and resilience. She encourages listeners to remain open even when it hurts and reminds them that discomfort, heartbreak, and uncertainty are survivable when they remain present with themselves through it all.  ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  4. Oct 12

    Solo Series Chapter 44: On Trust & Control - Part V

    In this episode, Lisa continues to explore trust, self-acceptance, and the healing power of staying connected to yourself during discomfort. Using endurance training, running, cold plunges, and fitness as powerful metaphors, she explains how many struggles with food, compulsive behaviors, and self-trust stem not from inadequacy, but from unrealistic expectations and a lack of self-compassion. Lisa challenges listeners to distinguish between being ignorant and being inadequate, emphasizes the importance of honoring personal limits, and demonstrates how relational safety is built when we listen to our bodies instead of forcing them.  Topics Include: Trust & Acceptance Embodiment Through Discomfort Food, Healing & Self-Compassion Expectations & Growth [1:28] Lisa reflects on vulnerability, sensitivity, grief, and the powerful themes that continue emerging from her ongoing exploration of trust, control, surrender, and healing. She revisits the idea of personal responsibility and explains why healing requires recognizing situations where we lose access to our best decision-making. [9:02] Lisa explains that self-reliance does not mean healing alone. She emphasizes the importance of seeking support, education, skills, and guidance, and discusses how acknowledging what you do not know creates opportunities for growth rather than evidence of failure. Lisa introduces the distinction between ignorance and inadequacy. She explains why lacking knowledge or skills is very different from believing there is something fundamentally wrong with you.  [20:23] Lisa returns to the question of how we respond when our bodies communicate limits. She shares lessons from training for a Hyrox race and explains how discomfort exposed deeper beliefs about performance, identity, achievement, and self-worth. She realizes that her fear is not actually about running but about her relationship with herself while running. [30:40] Lisa describes approaching her long run as an experiment rather than a test. She explains how releasing attachment to pace, mileage, and performance creates safety and allows curiosity, presence, and self-connection to emerge. She explains how repeatedly returning to presence helps her remain connected to herself during discomfort and transforms a difficult run into a practice of trust, safety, and self-relationship. Lisa explains that the deeper work is learning how to relate to herself while uncomfortable.  [39:48] Lisa examines the difference between the discomfort of an activity and the additional suffering created by resisting that discomfort. She explains how tension, contraction, and stress responses consume energy and reinforce feelings of unsafety. Lisa explores how attachment to outcomes creates fear, pressure, and anxiety, and discusses how experimentation replaces fear with curiosity and self-trust. [53:16] Lisa discusses surrendering when her body communicates that it cannot continue in a regulated way. She explains how honoring limitations builds trust, strengthens safety, and deepens a compassionate relationship with herself. [1:01:26] Lisa emphasizes radical acceptance and explains why listening to the body requires humility and ego awareness. She connects these lessons directly to emotional eating, compulsive behavior, and healing the relationship with food.  [1:06:41] Lisa offers a final reflection on safety, self-compassion, and healing. She explains why people need emotional safety before strategies, skills, or behavioral change can be effective. She reinforces the message that it is safe to be exactly where you are right now and that healing begins by meeting yourself there. ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  5. Oct 5

    Solo Series Chapter 43: On Trust & Control - Part IV

    In this episode, Lisa continues the powerful intersection of control, trust, responsibility, and self-compassion, challenging the belief that healing comes from trying harder or exerting more control. Through personal stories and vivid metaphors involving pilots, ships, horses, and even brain surgery, she explains how self-trust is often damaged not because we lack willpower, but because we repeatedly expect ourselves to do things we do not currently have the capacity, skills, or support to do. Lisa discusses emotional eating, addictive patterns, relationships, overwhelm, and the tendency to believe we "should be able to" handle situations differently. She offers a compassionate alternative rooted in radical acceptance, encouraging listeners to stop fighting reality, acknowledge where they are powerless, and meet themselves with honesty, tenderness, and understanding.  Topics Include: Control, Trust & Surrender Self-Compassion & Acceptance Food, Addiction & Emotional Coping Healing, Growth & Transformation [4:44] Lisa reflects on fear, uncertainty, and surrender. She explains how trust requires acting on the clarity available in the present moment rather than demanding certainty about the future. Lisa discusses radical acceptance and acknowledges the frustration that comes with realizing we cannot control everything.  [14:19] Lisa emphasizes meeting yourself where you are instead of comparing yourself to your past self or other people. She explains why transformation begins with accepting current reality rather than arguing with it. Lisa explores why different people struggle with different behaviors, including food, alcohol, technology, and relationships. She encourages listeners to let go of comparison and focus on their own truth and experience. [27:38] Lisa explores how self-trust deteriorates when people repeatedly place themselves in situations where they know they become powerless. She explains why honesty about patterns around food, alcohol, or other behaviors creates safety and becomes an act of self-love. [36:11] Lisa introduces the brain surgery analogy to illustrate realistic expectations. She explains why lacking skills in a particular area does not make someone inadequate and why food struggles deserve the same compassion and understanding. Lisa explores the deeper roots of self-trust. She explains why the problem is often not inability itself but continually refusing to acknowledge reality and repeatedly expecting ourselves to perform beyond our current capacity. [49:44] Lisa emphasizes realistic expectations and explains why unrealistic expectations create denial, danger, and self-blame. She further explains why healing requires acknowledging what you can and cannot control. She discusses grieving unrealistic expectations and accepting reality so that change can eventually become possible. [50:41] Lisa explains that fear around food is because of the unrealistic expectations we place on ourselves in highly complex and emotionally charged situations. She discusses the importance of remaining connected to ourselves during moments of struggle, compulsivity, and overwhelm. [1:02:11] Lisa examines disappointment, frustration, and self-blame through the lens of psychological displacement. She explains why people often direct anger toward themselves when they are actually grieving the limitations and realities of being human. [1:07:04] Lisa closes by discussing self-attunement and personal authority. She explains why no outside philosophy, expert, or program can replace learning to understand your own mind-body-soul system and honoring the truth of your experience. ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  6. Sep 28

    Solo Series Chapter 42: On Trust & Control - Part III

    In this episode, Lisa continues her deep dive into trust, control, responsibility, and realistic expectations in the healing journey with food and body. She expands on metaphors like captains, pilots, horses, and ships to illustrate partial control, and she clarifies the difference between responsibility and isolation. She explores powerlessness, balancing as a lifelong verb, and the necessity of community support. This episode sets the foundation for sustainable, intentional weight loss by dismantling unrealistic expectations and reframing healing as an ongoing dance rather than a destination.  Topics Include: Total Responsibility vs Partial Control Realistic Expectations & Radical Acceptance Powerlessness Supported Healing [1:29] Lisa explains why trust and control need more airtime. She pauses her planned series on “near enemies” to continue exploring trust, control, and surrender because they form the foundation of sustainable healing. Lisa introduces the core principle: total responsibility, partial control. Using metaphors of parenting, captains, pilots, and horses, she illustrates why you can steer but cannot control all conditions. [5:22] Lisa emphasizes realistic expectations and explains why unrealistic expectations create denial, danger, and self‑blame. She further explains why healing requires acknowledging what you can and cannot control. She explains grieving unrealistic expectations and how acceptance requires grieving what isn’t possible so you can focus your power where it is possible. She connects acceptance, courage, and wisdom to food, neurobiology, emotional eating, and the healing process. [14:57] Lisa clarifies how your healing is your responsibility; but it  does not mean to do it alone. She explains that responsibility means getting the support, community, and connection you need to support your healing. Lisa reframes balance as a verb and that balance isn’t a destination but a lifelong act of leaning, adjusting, and returning to center. [34:37] Lisa introduces powerlessness around food and how it  is biological, not moral. It’s the starting point for building real power. She explains the “life jacket” metaphor and how before she can teach skills (“swim lessons”), she must give listeners understanding (“life jackets”) so they don’t drown in shame or confusion. Lisa explains scenarios where she repeatedly loses control, proving she cannot behave differently under certain conditions. She further explains that responsibility means not putting yourself in situations where you predictably lose control. [53:39] Lisa explains that skill progression means you may eventually navigate triggers safely, but only after building tools, support, and emotional sobriety. She emphasizes that powerlessness is not permanent; skills reduce compulsivity over time. [1:01:48] Lisa ends the episode by assigning reflection homework for listeners. She asks listeners to notice where they are powerless, where resistance arises, and where unrealistic expectations shape your behavior. She promises continued exploration of safe, sustainable intentional weight loss in upcoming episodes. ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  7. Sep 21

    Solo Series Chapter 41: On Trust & Control - Part II

    In this episode, Lisa explores the emotional and psychological experience of creating the podcast and how it mirrors the journey of intentional weight loss. She describes the fear, insecurity, and vulnerability that arise after recording episodes, and how she practices both tender and fierce self‑compassion to navigate those feelings. She explains the importance of understanding where we do and do not have control, reframing the relationship with the body from adversarial to collaborative, and recognizing that behaviors like emotional eating are responses to overwhelm rather than failures or sabotage. She emphasizes trust, surrender, and the belief that the body is inherently innocent and working for survival.  Topics Include: Tender vs. fierce self‑compassion Trust, control, surrender, and uncertainty The body as teammate vs. enemy Self‑soothing vs. self‑sabotage [1:23] Lisa opens the episode by sharing how recording the podcast triggers fear, insecurity, and avoidance, and explains how she navigates her emotional capacity when deciding whether she can listen back to her own episodes. She uses the 80%/40% energy metaphor to illustrate sustainable self‑management. Lisa explains that pushing herself beyond capacity leads to unsafety and unsustainability. [12:41] Lisa redefines trust and confidence. She explains fierce self‑compassion, the difference between avoidance and long‑term anxiety reduction, and reframes trust as “I’ll be okay either way,” applying these concepts directly to intentional weight loss. She expands on trust not being about outcomes matching expectations. [20:20] Lisa connects self‑compassion to sustainable weight patterns. She shares insight from her coach about why her internal work keeps weight fluctuations small, describes how she avoids shame spirals after overeating, and transitions into the topic of near enemies in weight‑loss culture.She explains that a loving self‑relationship prevents spirals of shame after compulsive eating. She practices accountability without judgment. [30:51] Lisa examines internalized beliefs about the body. She breaks down how cultural narratives shape self‑perception, challenges the idea that the body “retaliates,” and explains weight regain as a survival response rather than a moral failure. [37:26] Lisa reframes the body as a partner, not an enemy. Using the horse metaphor, she explains that the body’s limits reflect resources, not rebellion, and clarifies that “self‑sabotage” is actually fear‑based self‑soothing. Lisa explains comfort zone fear and that behaviors stop progress because fear spikes, not because you’re broken. [50:47] Lisa ends the episode by normalizing powerlessness around food, comparing it to addiction patterns, and emphasizing that sustainable change only happens when she works with her body rather than fighting it — a final reminder that trust, safety, and partnership are the foundation of intentional weight loss.  ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

  8. Sep 14

    Solo Series Chapter 40: On Trust & Control - Part I

    In this episode, Lisa explores the tension between control, trust, and surrender in intentional weight loss and in life. Opening with a personal check-in about failing to record on her planned days, she uses her own experience of surrendering to misaligned energy to illustrate the episode's central thesis: true trust means trusting the flow of life itself, not just ourselves. She introduces her framework of total responsibility, partial control — no one can do this work for you, but you don't have complete dominion over your behaviors, biology, or circumstances. Lisa reinforces that the skill set required for sustainable weight loss isn't willpower — it's courage, vulnerability, and the quality of the relationship you hold with yourself in your hardest moments. Topics Include: Total Responsibility, Partial Control  Behavior-Oriented vs. Outcome-Oriented Goals Emotional Eating & the Animal Brain  Tender Self-Compassion in Real Time [2:22] Lisa reflects on surrendering her plan to record when the energy wasn't aligned, describing this as no longer being willing to bulldoze her feelings in service of a schedule and naming the episode's core theme: the dance between control, trust, and surrender. She frames control as an illusion that extends beyond the self.  [13:30] Lisa returns to the Brené Brown vulnerability framework and her AI conversation about being in the arena, connecting it to the episode's central themes of control, trust, and surrender in intentional weight loss. She reads from her AI conversation and applies Brené's definition of vulnerability (uncertainty, risk, and emotional exposure) to the pursuit of intentional weight loss goals. [15:20] Lisa recommends behavior-oriented goals over outcome-oriented goals, noting that outcomes involve factors outside one's control, while behaviors are where real agency lives. She reads that vulnerability is not winning or losing, but "having the courage to show up when you can't control the outcome." Lisa emphasizes that to pursue safe, sustainable intentional weight loss, one needs an internal emotional infrastructure to ride the inevitable roller coaster. [21:53] Lisa declares that strengthening the skill of trusting, believing, and surrendering is not about food or weight loss but about reestablishing a secure attachment with God, the universe, and the flow of life itself. She introduces her core framework for the episode: total responsibility, partial control — you are responsible for this journey, but you only have partial control over how it unfolds.   [41:01] Lisa reframes the work: the responsibility is not to bulldoze the fear, but to make what is terrifyingly scary feel safe enough to approach — because neglect cycles on itself, making things scarier the longer they're avoided. She brings it back to fierce self-compassion: to be vulnerable, to name the fear — and fierce self-compassion means calling upon your bravery not to fight the fear, but to soften into it. [52:07] Lisa closes the courage section: the question always comes back to "How are you being with yourself to make this happen?" — because if unaddressed fear is running the system, showing up safely and sustainably will remain out of reach. She illustrates that showing remorse without punishment is possible and is precisely what the relationship with the self requires. [1:11:34] Lisa closes with the through-line of the entire episode: "How am I with myself in the hardest moments, when I feel the least in control?" — answering simply: lovingly. That quality of self-relationship is what makes safe, sustainable weight loss a reality, not a theory.  ⁠Join Us on Patreon!⁠  ⁠LISA IS NOW ACCEPTING: One-on-One Clients!⁠ ⁠⁠Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form ⁠⁠ Email Lisa: ⁠⁠lisa@lisaschlosberg.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Out of the Cave Merch⁠⁠ - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa’s Socials: ⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠⁠

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The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.

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  • Creator
    Lisa Schlosberg
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    201
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Lisa Schlosberg
  • Show Website
    The Out of the Cave Podcast

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