WHERE DO GAYS RETIRE PODCAST Show Notes The Frying Pan Is Now the Fire — Where Do We Go From Here? Hosted by Mark Goldstein| Solo Episode |April 2026 Sequel to: "Out of the Frying Pan Into the Fire" (July 2025) When Mark recorded "Out of the Frying Pan Into the Fire" last July, he was mostly thinking about political instability in other countries. He wasn't quite expecting the frying pan itself to turn up the heat this dramatically right here at home. In this solo follow-up episode, Mark takes a calm, clear-eyed look at where things actually stand in the United States right now for LGBTQ+ retirees — and more importantly, what your real options are. This is not a political commentary. It is not about panic. It is exactly what this podcast has always been: practical, honest information to help you make informed decisions about where to spend your golden years, openly, safely, and fabulously. In This Episode What NSPM-7 actually says — and what it doesn't say — about our communityWhy listener numbers are growing, and what that tells us about where our community is right nowThe case for staying: U.S. states with the strongest constitutional and legal protectionsThe case for going: why more LGBTQ+ retirees are seriously looking abroadThe honest complications of international living — Medicare, visas, family distanceFive questions to help you figure out where you standMark's personal story — Fort Collins, Peter, and the 1982 Málaga plane crashResources to stay informed and take action U.S. States With Strong LGBTQ+ Legal Protections — Featured in This Episode Mark highlights states where same-sex marriage rights are protected at the state constitutional level or through strong statutory protections — states where your rights would remain intact even if the federal picture changes. Constitutional protection states: New York — equal protection enshrined in state constitution (2024); marriage equality since 2011California — right to marry enshrined as a fundamental right in state constitution (2024)Colorado — constitutional ban removed by voters (2024) + inclusive statutory definition enacted (2025)New Mexico — state Supreme Court ruled marriage equality required under state constitution (2013); codified by unanimous legislative vote (2019)Nevada — marriage equality positively enshrined in state constitution (2020) — no episode yet, but worth watching! Strong statutory protection states are also mentioned: Massachusetts — first state to legalize same-sex marriage (2004); no banVermont — civil unions pioneer (2000); no banRhode Island, Washington State, New Jersey, Maryland, Illinois, Oregon — all with no dormant bans International Destinations Mentioned in This Episode Spain — Torremolinos, Sitges, Malaga, Costa del SolPortugal — Algarve, CascaisMexico — Ajijic, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico City, QueretaroFrance, Netherlands, Costa Rica For our full archive of international destination episodes, see the Episode Resource Guide linked in the show notes for this episode. LGBTQ+ Retirement Communities Mentioned Living Out — Palm Springs, California | livingout.comFountain Grove Lodge — Santa Rosa, California Referenced Episode "Out of the Frying Pan Into the Fire — Why the Political Climate Matters for LGBTQ+ Retirees" Originally aired July 2, 2025. Available in the podcast archive at wheredogaysretire.com. Resources Mentioned in This Episode U.S. Legal & Advocacy: ACLU — aclu.orgLambda Legal — lambdalegal.orgFreedom for All Americans — freedomforallamericans.orgMovement Advancement Project (state-by-state tracker) — lgbtmap.org International Research: ILGA World — global LGBTQ+ rights by country — ilga.orgInternational Living — Global Retirement Index — internationalliving.comSocial Security abroad — ssa.gov/international Episode Resource Guide Download the companion Episode Resource Guide for this episode — a curated list of our top international destination episodes and our top U.S. protective state episodes, organized and ranked by downloads. Available at wheredogaysretire.com/fryingpan2 Connect With Mark & the Community Facebook: Where Do Gays Retire — facebook.com/groups/wheredogaysretireFacebook: Gay Men 60 and Better (27,700+ members) — facebook.com/groups/gaymen60andbetterEmail Mark — mark@wheredogaysretire.comSchedule a call with Mark — savvycal.com/MarkscalendarFull episode archive — wheredogaysretire.com Support the Podcast If you enjoy the Where Do Gays Retire podcast, please subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who needs it. You can also support the show by buying Mark a coffee at wheredogaysretire.com — each $5 coffee helps keep the podcast going. "Retirement is not just about warm weather. It is about living openly, safely, and fabulously, wherever in the world that may be for you." — Mark Goldstein, Where Do Gays Retire Episode Resource Guide: Where to Retire — International & U.S. Destinations Companion resource to: "The Frying Pan Is Now the Fire — Where Do We Go From Here?" Whether you are thinking about staying in the United States or exploring a life abroad, this guide brings together the most-listened-to episodes from the Where Do Gays Retire podcast archive. U.S. episodes are curated to include only states where LGBTQ+ legal protections are strong and where same-sex marriage would remain protected even in the absence of a federal ruling. All episodes are available wherever you listen to podcasts, or at wheredogaysretire.com. PART 1: Top International Destination EpisodesThese are the international episodes your fellow listeners have returned to most. Spain leads by a wide margin, appearing seven times in the top fifteen. Exploring Retirement in Spain: Valencia vs. Malaga for LGBTQ Expats with Dave Piccolo, Jesus Bartoli and Steve AronbergAjijic, Mexico: A Vibrant LGBTQ+ Haven Revisited with Steve Cross and Harold WattsSitges vs. Torremolinos, Spain With Richard Jasicki and Leo BoniMalta, with Eric Tenin and Michael SaloneRetire in Style: Why Nice, France is the Ultimate LGBTQ Destination With Jameson FarnTwo Countries, One Community: LGBTQ+ Retirement Insights from Spain and Portugal with Bruce Joffe and Russ WarrenAthens, Greece with Steve Gantzos and Ken CookNerja, Spain: A Mediterranean Hideaway with Richard CarnabyAmsterdam, The Netherlands with Jeremy BierbachOloron Sainte-Marie, France with Mykle FlatleyDon't Just Visit — Live! Americans Moving To Spain with Christopher HugheyMadrid, Spain with Renato PadillaFrom the Heart of Gran Canaria — Raquel Rojas on LGBTQ+ Life and Island LivingEmbracing Retirement: Waldron McGinnis's Journey to Courtown, IrelandWeather, Wine, and Wonder: Retirement Life in Madeira With Paul Corning and Kevin McKay Key destinations in the archive: Spain (Valencia, Malaga, Sitges, Torremolinos, Nerja, Madrid, Gran Canaria) • Mexico (Ajijic, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico City, Oaxaca, San Miguel de Allende) • France (Nice, Oloron Sainte-Marie, Paris, Dordogne) • Portugal (Lisbon, Cascais, Algarve, Braga, Tavira, Porto, Ericeira, Madeira) • Greece, Netherlands, Malta, Ireland, Germany, Argentina, Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand, Ecuador, Uruguay PART 2: U.S. Episodes — States with Strong LGBTQ+ Legal ProtectionsThese episodes cover states where same-sex marriage rights are protected at the constitutional level or through strong statutory protections — states where your rights would remain intact even if the federal picture changes. ⭐ Note: Nevada has the strongest constitutional protection of any state — marriage equality is positively enshrined in its state constitution. A Nevada episode is not yet in the archive! ——— CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION STATES California — Right to marry enshrined as a fundamental right in the state constitution (2024) Inside Living Out: The LGBTQ Community That Feels Like Family — With Loren OstrowFinding Your Gay Retirement Paradise: Fountain Grove Lodge with Chuck Finch & Ed CambronPalm Springs, CA with Robyn Meltzer and Susan BrennanCathedral City, California With Keith ColemanSacramento, California with Greg WineSan Diego With Stephen Keiley New Mexico — State constitution requires marriage equality (Griego v. Oliver, 2013); codified by unanimous legislative vote (2019) Albuquerque, New Mexico with Pamm MeyersChoosing Your Desert Oasis: Albuquerque, NM vs. Tucson, AZ for LGBTQ+...